AMW Big Discussion Thread

[Nova Gaul]

Just want to echo the kudos on Chrin's mappery. By far the most excellent I've ever seen, thanks for time and effort Chrin.

[United Kongo]

Top Notch Chrin,

One thing though, my claim was expanded to include the Angolan proninces of Lunda Norte, Lunda Sul and Malanje, which are the three provinces that jut into the Congo's south

[Chrinthanium]

Top Notch Chrin,

One thing though, my claim was expanded to include the Angolan proninces of Lunda Norte, Lunda Sul and Malanje, which are the three provinces that jut into the Congo's south

Not a problem. It'll fixed in a jiffy.

There
All better

[United Kongo]

Top Notch Chrin,

One thing though, my claim was expanded to include the Angolan proninces of Lunda Norte, Lunda Sul and Malanje, which are the three provinces that jut into the Congo's south

Not a problem. It'll fixed in a jiffy.

There
All better

Cheers

hehe Africa looks funny with a giant Communist blob in the middle and bits of Walmington sticking around the edges

[Chrinthanium]

Not a problem. It'll fixed in a jiffy.

There
All better

Cheers

hehe Africa looks funny with a giant Communist blob in the middle and bits of Walmington sticking around the edges

Aye, it does. Still, Europe is almost full. North America is coming into its own. Asia has some folks kicking around. Soon, hopefully, we'll get a new player or two in the birthplace of humanity.

Just want to echo the kudos on Chrin's mappery. By far the most excellent I've ever seen, thanks for time and effort Chrin.

Why thank you, NG. I appreciate that.

[Chrinthanium]

SO, last night I was talking to Beeg in the IRC discussing about whether we have an AMW-equivalent of UEFA Europa League. We probably do behind the RP scenes and all. But, what it got me thinking was if, maybe, we could have an annual football RP doing the knockout stages and culminating in the AMW Europa League championship game. I know the RP'd World Cup from the past got some attention, and, perhaps, this is something the European nations would be interested in doing.

I'm hell bent on RPing another World Cup, but I'd not like to host this one. If someone is willing to host, learning to scorinate is pretty easy. There's a nice group of folks on NS who've created programs for just such an occasion (that also scorinate a host of other sports).

Just some thoughts on non-conflict RPs that AMW could do that wouldn't take up too much of any one person's time but could be fun.

This year I'm going to be scorinating the Roman Primus League internally, just because I'm tired of war and diplomatic RPs and need something else to occupy my AMW time beyond cartography.

[Chemaki]

I would absolutely love the opportunity to host, even though I'm not awfully knowledgeable when it comes to footie. Unless there's someone equally incompetant when it comes to Leagues, team tactics and formations and needs some wider RP to fall back onto, I'd like that escape (it would also help me scene set for a country I haven't actually roleplayed much with, despite writing heaps and heaps). Not to mention that there's nothing more typically FIS (read: egocentric) than hosting and making a huge deal out of an international (originally Roman, even!) sport, whilst neglecting the obvious point that it's a better idea to actually have a competant team. Expect to see a lot of marketing, cultural exchange and, if the roleplay's activity and drunk Romans/Celts permit, a bit of tabloid scandal.

[Chrinthanium]

I would absolutely love the opportunity to host, even though I'm not awfully knowledgeable when it comes to footie. Unless there's someone equally incompetant when it comes to Leagues, team tactics and formations and needs some wider RP to fall back onto, I'd like that escape (it would also help me scene set for a country I haven't actually roleplayed much with, despite writing heaps and heaps). Not to mention that there's nothing more typically FIS (read: egocentric) than hosting and making a huge deal out of an international (originally Roman, even!) sport, whilst meglecting the obvious point that it's a better idea to actually have a competant team. Expect to see a lot of marketing, and, if the roleplay's activity and drunk Romans/Celts permit, a bit of tabloid scandal.

You just can't blow it up with terrorism. That's my only sticking point.

[Chemaki]

Terrorism, Celtic strikers high on acid, there's not a world of difference, is there?

[Chrinthanium]

Terrorism, Celtic strikers high on acid, there's not a world of difference, is there?

Hosting.

You would have to come up with venues (i.e. stadiums that could hold matches), as well as organize the tournament. Typically, you start with 32 teams, which are organized into 8 Groups of 4. In AMW, because we're not so populous like the world, we'll probably do 16-20 teams. Each team plays each member of its group once. Teams are awarded 3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss. The teams with the 2 highest amounts of points move onto the elimination round. YOu can read about it on Wiki and on FIFA's website.

Scorination is typically where most hosts hit issues. That's what you'd have to be trained in doing.

If this goes ahead, Rome and Chrinthanium would enter, though I'd rather the Romans be the main team and the Chrinnies there to fill in numbers gaps. The Chrinthani can take the place of RL Australia: advancing to the world cup due to lack of competitive teams in the region, but generally not fare all that well in the actual tournament. Though, scorinators do amazing things sometimes.

Rather than double post, I'll just edit this in here.

I think what we should do is create an AMW version of FIFA, albeit far less sinister and evil. An international governing body for international football. It's main task would be to approve host bids for World Cups, manage the format of play, and all that nonsense, as well as keep tabs on international rankings and AMW international football history.

[Cassanos]

SO, last night I was talking to Beeg in the IRC discussing about whether we have an AMW-equivalent of UEFA Europa League. We probably do behind the RP scenes and all. But, what it got me thinking was if, maybe, we could have an annual football RP doing the knockout stages and culminating in the AMW Europa League championship game. I know the RP'd World Cup from the past got some attention, and, perhaps, this is something the European nations would be interested in doing.

I'm hell bent on RPing another World Cup, but I'd not like to host this one. If someone is willing to host, learning to scorinate is pretty easy. There's a nice group of folks on NS who've created programs for just such an occasion (that also scorinate a host of other sports).

Just some thoughts on non-conflict RPs that AMW could do that wouldn't take up too much of any one person's time but could be fun.

This year I'm going to be scorinating the Roman Primus League internally, just because I'm tired of war and diplomatic RPs and need something else to occupy my AMW time beyond cartography.

I love the idea, and having a FIFA which isn't utterly vile and corrupt would only increase AMW's unique appeal in being different from the real world.
I'd love to participate, and I can fill in the rosters of nations by having separate teams from Nibelunc, Saxony, Cassanos, Bohaemia and Suabia, if need be. Nibelunc *could* host such an event, but with my less than stellar record of consistent RPing, I'm not too keen on it.

I'd only have one reservation, namely that we have such a cup take place either in some sort of temporal RP limbo or before the current shooting war in Europe, which would likely distract people a little - not to mention mean the draft of several Nibelung players .

[Iansisle]

California is all in for the world cup, with the same (childish) enthusiasm that los Osos brought to the last one! The Shield is ...not really a football country, but might field a side if you need extra numbers as chumps to go down in the first round to an actually good team.

[Chrinthanium]

SO, last night I was talking to Beeg in the IRC discussing about whether we have an AMW-equivalent of UEFA Europa League. We probably do behind the RP scenes and all. But, what it got me thinking was if, maybe, we could have an annual football RP doing the knockout stages and culminating in the AMW Europa League championship game. I know the RP'd World Cup from the past got some attention, and, perhaps, this is something the European nations would be interested in doing.

I'm hell bent on RPing another World Cup, but I'd not like to host this one. If someone is willing to host, learning to scorinate is pretty easy. There's a nice group of folks on NS who've created programs for just such an occasion (that also scorinate a host of other sports).

Just some thoughts on non-conflict RPs that AMW could do that wouldn't take up too much of any one person's time but could be fun.

This year I'm going to be scorinating the Roman Primus League internally, just because I'm tired of war and diplomatic RPs and need something else to occupy my AMW time beyond cartography.

I love the idea, and having a FIFA which isn't utterly vile and corrupt would only increase AMW's unique appeal in being different from the real world.
I'd love to participate, and I can fill in the rosters of nations by having separate teams from Nibelunc, Saxony, Cassanos, Bohaemia and Suabia, if need be. Nibelunc *could* host such an event, but with my less than stellar record of consistent RPing, I'm not too keen on it.

I'd only have one reservation, namely that we have such a cup take place either in some sort of temporal RP limbo or before the current shooting war in Europe, which would likely distract people a little - not to mention mean the draft of several Nibelung players .

Well, Cass, I'd love to see you host when you have the time. I think Chemaki is kinda wanting to do this, and seems keen to do it this go around. We could, as this is an RP community, do the World Cup at any time past or present. As far as the AMW version of FIFA, we'd just need an international FIFA-like organization (again, without the utter vileness and corruption). In fact, because of "RP time" is possible to do a world cup annually (IRL time) as opposed to every 4 years.

California is all in for the world cup, with the same (childish) enthusiasm that los Osos brought to the last one! The Shield is ...not really a football country, but might field a side if you need extra numbers as chumps to go down in the first round to an actually good team.

I was on IRC with Chemaki, and basically we think we can net 8 teams guaranteed. (Nib, CSR, Rome, Chrin, Cali, FIS, Gandvik, E-P, Zion). If you throw the Shield on as cannon fodder, that's 9 right there. Plus, I think we might be able to get NG on board. Curious to see if Anahuac would field a team, if Byz wants in, Kyr, and Congo. Perhaps we could even spark Americain interest in the sport (the cup wouldn't be the same without a French team). That's 15 right there, with one open slot to fill with someone (maybe the Depkazi somehow actually get into the cup? I'd love to see THAT rp!). Unlike Cass, I'm not so willing to break up the empire like the UK does. While there are constituent nations in the empire, I'd rather only have to deal with a Roman team (and if the Chrinnies are in it, that's two teams from me right there). I think we can get the numbers to make it happen.

EDIT: And Chemaki, you want to use NS Footy Sim 3.1. It's an amazing soccer simulator.

EDIT: If we're going to do an AMW-version of FIFA, we should have a thread on the offsite for it. Where it can be organized, charter drawn up, etc...

[Europe - Prussia]

Well, so everybody knows, I'm still alive. I just like to lurk around a lot, and I'm rewriting some stuff from my factbook in preparation to move it to the NS site.

About the world cup, I'll participate obviously. If there's a need for participants, I can do like Cass and break the empire and have teams from Belka, France, the Netherlands and Nabradia; even Brunei, if you want another team from SE Asia. It's something I'm willing to do anyway, considering how different some parts of the empire are.

About the non-evil FIFA, yeah I'm all for it. Minor question however: where should be it's headquarters?

I'm also very interested in a AMW version of the UEFA Europa League. Personally i'd prefer a AMW version of the Champions League, but meh

[Chrinthanium]

Well, so everybody knows, I'm still alive. I just like to lurk around a lot, and I'm rewriting some stuff from my factbook in preparation to move it to the NS site.

About the world cup, I'll participate obviously. If there's a need for participants, I can do like Cass and break the empire and have teams from Belka, France, the Netherlands and Nabradia; even Brunei, if you want another team from SE Asia. It's something I'm willing to do anyway, considering how different some parts of the empire are.

About the non-evil FIFA, yeah I'm all for it. Minor question however: where should be it's headquarters?

I'm also very interested in a AMW version of the UEFA Europa League. Personally i'd prefer a AMW version of the Champions League, but meh

We could probably do both, EP.

EDIT: Totally missed the part about its headquarters. IRL it is HQ'd in Zurich, but, perhaps it should be in Vienna, the International City of Peace (owing that it has special distinction in Rome and NIbelunc)

[United Kongo]

World Cup team, sure why not. I mean the Congolese team will probably be chronically underfunded and some of the players may try and escape to whatever country is hosting but i'll throw in a team.

[Chrinthanium]

World Cup team, sure why not. I mean the Congolese team will probably be chronically underfunded and some of the players may try and escape to whatever country is hosting but i'll throw in a team.

They would escape to the Federated Islamic States? Interesting storyline there, my friend.

[Walmington on Sea]

I'm not sure how AMW's Football Association would feel about a FIFA-alike, being as the Empire still very much exists and there's probably less money in English football which lacks the Premier League, Sky, and is generally more old fashioned.

There could be serious on-going problems with that, to be honest. The FA organises intra-Empire international 'test matches' between England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Amberland, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New England, Canada, Tobago, Australia, Fireland, Southwest Africa, Ceyloba, and Borneo, and also organises 'A-internationals' between subdivisions of the above, such as British Colombia and Rupert's Land, Anglia and Cornwall, or the Skeleton Coast and Waynesia amongst others, and the primary divisions that lack 'test status' including Norbray, the Spice Islands, Neptune Islands, British Arctic Islands, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands.
In the FA's own self-regard, however, it also organises fixtures between teams from outside the Empire, owing to the constitutional status of the Kingdom of Sabah and the Tribal States of East Africa (formerly Nilosahara).

The stuffy old imperialists dominating the FA insist that they define and when necessary modify the rules of the game, and they've been organising internationals since the 1-1 draw between England and Scotland in 1870, and large world-spanning tournaments since at least the 1910s.

I'm sure Walmington's FA has a history of trying to over-see other people's associations when the beautiful game reached foreign shores, so I'm not sure what all that's resulted in, and the Empire may have declined to associate itself with a FIFA-like body established abroad, which might in turn make its teams unable to take part in competitions organised under such an aegis.

[Chrinthanium]

I'm not sure how AMW's Football Association would feel about a FIFA-alike, being as the Empire still very much exists and there's probably less money in English football which lacks the Premier League, Sky, and is generally more old fashioned.

There could be serious on-going problems with that, to be honest. The FA organises intra-Empire international 'test matches' between England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Amberland, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New England, Canada, Tobago, Australia, Fireland, Southwest Africa, Ceyloba, and Borneo, and also organises 'A-internationals' between subdivisions of the above, such as British Colombia and Rupert's Land, Anglia and Cornwall, or the Skeleton Coast and Waynesia amongst others, and the primary divisions that lack 'test status' including Norbray, the Spice Islands, Neptune Islands, British Arctic Islands, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands.
In the FA's own self-regard, however, it also organises fixtures between teams from outside the Empire, owing to the constitutional status of the Kingdom of Sabah and the Tribal States of East Africa (formerly Nilosahara).

The stuffy old imperialists dominating the FA insist that they define and when necessary modify the rules of the game, and they've been organising internationals since the 1-1 draw between England and Scotland in 1870, and large world-spanning tournaments since at least the 1910s.

I'm sure Walmington's FA has a history of trying to over-see other people's associations when the beautiful game reached foreign shores, so I'm not sure what all that's resulted in, and the Empire may have declined to associate itself with a FIFA-like body established abroad, which might in turn make its teams unable to take part in competitions organised under such an aegis.

I can certainly see where different nations who participate in playing the game may have, over time, developed their own internal sets of rules for play. When truly international friendlies became a thing (as in teams from other nations that weren't, in any way, under Walmingtonian control or part of a greater Walmingtonian Empire) met together on the pitch, they might run into issues where one nation has rules that the other nation didn't. Perhaps it is spawned from an original situation where the 'stuffy old imperialists' had been in charge of organizing the game, its rules and their enforcement, and how international matches were organized. And, over time, as the sport grew more and more popular in places that weren't ever part of a greater Walmingtonian Empire these other football-playing nations began to disagree with the more stuffy approach to the game and saw fit to break away from such an organization.

Not that I am saying this is how a FIFA-alike was born, but just how it could have happened. I mean, the naming of such an organization isn't something I am too concerned about. Though, in RP terms, we'd probably want to settle all this so we're all on the same page. Not that it's a pressing matter by any stretch of the imagination. That, and I wasn't even aware there was an AMW FA out there.

However, what we're starting to do is bring something into RP terms that, at least at the beginning, wasn't meant as an actual RP entity. I think we were all under the assumption, be it your FA or a FIFA-alike, that an international governing body was in place already. What I was more suggesting was an AMW World Cup committee. Something akin to the NS World Cup Committee. A set of players, elected by the region, who organize when tournaments take place, entertain the host bids, and vote on which nation gets to host. While I'm all for share-and-share-alike communities, it would be interesting--at least in my own opinion--to see a presentation from those in AMW who want to host a World Cup. A run down of the venues, perhaps some idea of the opening and closing entertainments, things of that nature, and has the decision-making power to say "We award this years World Cup hosting to X-Nation!" This group would also be in charge of record keeping for the purpose of "ranking" AMW teams from previous cups who participate in future cups and so on.

EDIT: Further research would suggest that we should, then, set it up similar to RL as far as the RP International Football Association..... would that appease the 'stuffy old imperialists' of the Walmingtonian Empire? (linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... tion_Board)

[Nova Gaul]

Japan will be sending their national team off to the World Cup, their record isn't all that bad after all. And with my Japan they'll be extra motivated with the factor of humiliation=seppuku resulting from any losses.

And speaking of, I've been really planning about with ideas to start an RP. Is TUGs still with us? I haven't heard from Amerique on the Islands RP idea either. Would anyone care to start an alternate state in Southeast Asia or, better yet, East Asia?

Or do I have to trot out Yoshinoya Rice Bowl as a Trojan Horse for world domination?

[Amerique]

Of course the American Republic will like to be heavily involved in the World Cup. We're not actually French, for the record, you would need to look at the kingdom of France under Valendian overlordship for that. The original central basis of the nation is in Irish, other Celtic and some French colonists, but it's very heavily multicultural with a united American identity, rather than any Old World ethnic attachments. I'd hazard to say that I've actually imagined it as more Celtic and Irish in early composition than French (with the French along for the Celtomania of their Gaulish origins, forsaking the Old World Frenchmen who have not rebelled against the Germanic Valendian Empire). In any case, the American National Men's Team is probably mixed in composition and the passion and support for association football is much stronger and more established than in RL America. I was actually wondering, considering there's drastically fewer nations in AMW Europe than there are in RL Europe, and the UEFA Champions League typically permitting nations to send 1-3 teams to the competition depending on the standing of the national associations, if AMW's Champions League could perhaps be opened to a North Atlantic, or even global, reach.

If you still need a host, I'd be happy to take it on as well, as I have nothing else to do right now. Between Ballyston (where I've planned 3 stadiums), the New York area (3 stadiums), New Aran (in Outremer/New Jersey) Philadelphia, Fenia, Baltimore, Cincinnati, West Kerry (Cleveland), Détroit, Chicago and potentially others, there'd be more than enough world-class stadiums I can organize or invent. I, of course, wouldn't mind anywhere in particular as a host.

Oh, and to Japan, I would still be interested in the islands RP idea. In light of all the issues with expansionistic nations going on now in the real world, there's certainly no shortage of inspiration, though I'm sure there's plenty for an imperialistic, dominating and zaibatsu-fueled Japanese Empire in the Pacific from WWII. I was even planning on my new President (as mentioned in the past news stories) would be something more of an FDR-like figure, an economic interventionist New Dealer or Peronist with a strong foreign policy faced with a still largely isolationist nation after the previous Drapoel debacles. Though I would specify that any American protectorates or sponsored states in the Pacific would be independent client republics in the interests of maintaining the image of adhering to republicanism and Jeffersonian democracy in any zones of influence.

I had returned home in the past two weeks but came back with sinusitis followed by a nasty cold, so I apologize for my lack of communication, but I've definitely been keeping an eye on things.

[Chrinthanium]

Of course the American Republic will like to be heavily involved in the World Cup. We're not actually French, for the record, you would need to look at the kingdom of France under Valendian overlordship for that. The original central basis of the nation is in Irish, other Celtic and some French colonists, but it's very heavily multicultural with a united American identity, rather than any Old World ethnic attachments. I'd hazard to say that I've actually imagined it as more Celtic and Irish in early composition than French (with the French along for the Celtomania of their Gaulish origins, forsaking the Old World Frenchmen who have not rebelled against the Germanic Valendian Empire). In any case, the American National Men's Team is probably mixed in composition and the passion and support for association football is much stronger and more established than in RL America. I was actually wondering, considering there's drastically fewer nations in AMW Europe than there are in RL Europe, and the UEFA Champions League typically permitting nations to send 1-3 teams to the competition depending on the standing of the national associations, if AMW's Champions League could perhaps be opened to a North Atlantic, or even global, reach.

If you still need a host, I'd be happy to take it on as well, as I have nothing else to do right now. Between Ballyston (where I've planned 3 stadiums), the New York area (3 stadiums), New Aran (in Outremer/New Jersey) Philadelphia, Fenia, Baltimore, Cincinnati, West Kerry (Cleveland), Détroit, Chicago and potentially others, there'd be more than enough world-class stadiums I can organize or invent. I, of course, wouldn't mind anywhere in particular as a host.

Oh, and to Japan, I would still be interested in the islands RP idea. In light of all the issues with expansionistic nations going on now in the real world, there's certainly no shortage of inspiration, though I'm sure there's plenty for an imperialistic, dominating and zaibatsu-fueled Japanese Empire in the Pacific from WWII. I was even planning on my new President (as mentioned in the past news stories) would be something more of an FDR-like figure, an economic interventionist New Dealer or Peronist with a strong foreign policy faced with a still largely isolationist nation after the previous Drapoel debacles. Though I would specify that any American protectorates or sponsored states in the Pacific would be independent client republics in the interests of maintaining the image of adhering to republicanism and Jeffersonian democracy in any zones of influence.

I had returned home in the past two weeks but came back with sinusitis followed by a nasty cold, so I apologize for my lack of communication, but I've definitely been keeping an eye on things.

I think, really, we should use those "extra nations" only if we need to fill in numbers. Glad to see you're still around, though sad to hear that you've been unwell.

As far as hosting, I don't know if we've ever had two people willing to host. Hmm..... Anyway, as far as AMW's version of Europa League/Champions League.... allowing North American nations to participate.... hmmmm.... let me think on this.... *strokes chin*

[Kyr Shorn]

I've had an idea for an RP that we could all do, but I wanted to run it by everyone first.

I call it 'A Day in the Life of...' and it's exactly what it says in the title. We each depict life in our AMW countries from the perspectives of whoever we want. It could be a politician, a nobleman, a young teenage girl, a veteran soldier, a beggar on the street, or just an average joe. You don't have to limit yourself to one person, in fact playing with two or three different people could provide more perspective.

At the moment I've got a couple different archytypes I want to play with, one is from the view of a minor official working in Saidpur, another is a teenage boy who recently converted to Hinduism from Islam to try and escape social stigma, and a noble girl from a very wealthy family who has just gone overseas for her studies and gets some serious culture shock.

Anyone else interested?

[Nova Gaul]

Kyr, thats awesome and right up my alley. Superb idea. Count me in 200%.

[Chrinthanium]

I've had an idea for an RP that we could all do, but I wanted to run it by everyone first.

I call it 'A Day in the Life of...' and it's exactly what it says in the title. We each depict life in our AMW countries from the perspectives of whoever we want. It could be a politician, a nobleman, a young teenage girl, a veteran soldier, a beggar on the street, or just an average joe. You don't have to limit yourself to one person, in fact playing with two or three different people could provide more perspective.

At the moment I've got a couple different archytypes I want to play with, one is from the view of a minor official working in Saidpur, another is a teenage boy who recently converted to Hinduism from Islam to try and escape social stigma, and a noble girl from a very wealthy family who has just gone overseas for her studies and gets some serious culture shock.

Anyone else interested?

You got me on both nations at "Hello."