The Coalition of Steel (PMT | Recruiting)

[Altaiire]

Really, no comment on my plane....

The irony is that if I recall, an age ago you dissaproved of one of my planes for being FSW.

[Grand Britannia]

Really, no comment on my plane....

The irony is that if I recall, an age ago you dissaproved of one of my planes for being FSW.

You made it go too fast.

FSW doesn't like fast.

Employing a PMT wing type like this is also a plus to prevent catastrophic wing twisting without having to make it so heavy.

I'll get around to adding that when I solve the wing loading error.

[Altaiire]

Cough variable sweep cough

[Grand Britannia]

Cough variable sweep cough

Been there, didn't work.

[Altaiire]

Cough variable sweep cough

Been there, didn't work.

If by didn't work you mean never attempted.

[Grand Britannia]

Been there, didn't work.

If by didn't work you mean never attempted.

Here's why:

With a FSW plane, you only need to worry about modifying the wings so that they don't compromise the integrity of the hull during flight. This usually ends up in making the wings a bit heavier due to the use of stronger materials.


The switchblade has to do that, plus having a bulky system to sweep the wings, really unstable flight due to the extra weight on the wings + center(which one require one hell of a flight computer), and increased drag due to inconsistent air foil shape(even if you use flat plates, you defeat the whole purpose of having a plane difficult to stall, since flat plates stall easily).

When you take all the issues into account, it is just easier to make a normal FSW fighter. Long range missiles and radar can compensate for lack of speed(as well as advanced electronic warfare systems), and you still retain an invaluable advantage in dogfights if it ever comes to that.

[Xanixi]

flat plates are stall

Holy crap, really?

[Grand Britannia]

flat plates are stall

Holy crap, really?

Vita is a troll.

[Xanixi]

Holy crap, really?

Vita is a troll.

[The God-Realm]

Vita is a troll.

olololololo

[Grand Britannia]

Just for that...

"All men are NOT created equal! Some are born swifter afoot, some with greater beauty, some are born into poverty and others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and upbringing, in sheer scope of ability every human is inherently different; Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong, equality is. What of the Commonwealth which made equality a right? Rabble politics by a popularity contest. The Union of Emperican Socialist Republics with its equal distribution of wealth? A nation of lazy dullards. But not our beloved Britannia, we fight, we compete, evolution is continuous. Britannia alone moves forward, advancing steadily into the future. We will fight on, we shall struggle, compete, plunder and dominate, and in the end, the future shall be ours. ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!"

-Board Director Pegasus zi Britannia honoring her father's historical speech

[Altaiire]

If by didn't work you mean never attempted.

Here's why:

With a FSW plane, you only need to worry about modifying the wings so that they don't compromise the integrity of the hull during flight. This usually ends up in making the wings a bit heavier due to the use of stronger materials.


The switchblade has to do that, plus having a bulky system to sweep the wings, really unstable flight due to the extra weight on the wings + center(which one require one hell of a flight computer), and increased drag due to inconsistent air foil shape(even if you use flat plates, you defeat the whole purpose of having a plane difficult to stall, since flat plates stall easily).

When you take all the issues into account, it is just easier to make a normal FSW fighter. Long range missiles and radar can compensate for lack of speed(as well as advanced electronic warfare systems), and you still retain an invaluable advantage in dogfights if it ever comes to that.

First off, using flexible composite materials in the construction of FSW reduces weight compared to using stronger materials to resist torsion.

Secondly, additional bulk/weight is meaningless as these are accounted for when the aircraft is actually designed, rather than building a plane and sticking a sweep mechanism in there. Center of gravity problems can easily be adressed by padding weight towards the front of the plane, assuming there actually would be problems to begin with. I have no numbers on how much a variable sweep mechanism actually weighs, and if you can bring those up, that'd be much obliged. Considering weight is essentially handwaved anyways, unless I'm the only person not figuring out the individual weight for every individual part in the plane, I fail to see any problem here.

Thirdly, this is PMT, here's my handwavium flight computer.

Fourthly, considering I'm not an aeronautical engineer, I can't comment on anything pertaining to the airfoil. That section of the Wikipedia article is horrendously ineloquent when it comes to describing things, so if you could elaborate on why the airfoil is inconsistent, that would be appreciated.

[The God-Realm]

Just for that...

"All men are NOT created equal! Some are born swifter afoot, some with greater beauty, some are born into poverty and others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and upbringing, in sheer scope of ability every human is inherently different; Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong, equality is. What of the Commonwealth which made equality a right? Rabble politics by a popularity contest. The Union of Emperican Socialist Republics with its equal distribution of wealth? A nation of lazy dullards. But not our beloved Britannia, we fight, we compete, evolution is continuous. Britannia alone moves forward, advancing steadily into the future. We will fight on, we shall struggle, compete, plunder and dominate, and in the end, the future shall be ours. ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!"

-Board Director Pegasus zi Britannia honoring her father's historical speech

"Then how can you practice Social Darwinism without guilt that your fellow men are dropping dead? Is it a justification to earn money at the expense of others? Or are you a asshole?"
~CEO van der Xiiem, ironically in the Socialist party

[Grand Britannia]

Here's why:

With a FSW plane, you only need to worry about modifying the wings so that they don't compromise the integrity of the hull during flight. This usually ends up in making the wings a bit heavier due to the use of stronger materials.


The switchblade has to do that, plus having a bulky system to sweep the wings, really unstable flight due to the extra weight on the wings + center(which one require one hell of a flight computer), and increased drag due to inconsistent air foil shape(even if you use flat plates, you defeat the whole purpose of having a plane difficult to stall, since flat plates stall easily).

When you take all the issues into account, it is just easier to make a normal FSW fighter. Long range missiles and radar can compensate for lack of speed(as well as advanced electronic warfare systems), and you still retain an invaluable advantage in dogfights if it ever comes to that.

First off, using flexible composite materials in the construction of FSW reduces weight compared to using stronger materials to resist torsion.

Secondly, additional bulk/weight is meaningless as these are accounted for when the aircraft is actually designed, rather than building a plane and sticking a sweep mechanism in there. Center of gravity problems can easily be adressed by padding weight towards the front of the plane, assuming there actually would be problems to begin with. I have no numbers on how much a variable sweep mechanism actually weighs, and if you can bring those up, that'd be much obliged. Considering weight is essentially handwaved anyways, unless I'm the only person not figuring out the individual weight for every individual part in the plane, I fail to see any problem here.

Thirdly, this is PMT, here's my handwavium flight computer.

Fourthly, considering I'm not an aeronautical engineer, I can't comment on anything pertaining to the airfoil. That section of the Wikipedia article is horrendously ineloquent when it comes to describing things, so if you could elaborate on why the airfoil is inconsistent, that would be appreciated.

What flexible wings? The Active Aerolastic Wings work because there's a computer actively twisting the wings slightly to counter the issue of the FSW design.

Adding more weight to counter excess weight on a plane is not the best of ideas. You're basically increasing the empty weight and limiting how much ordinance the aircraft can carry. I'm not sure how much the sweep mechanism weights, but other variable sweep fighters have had issues with their mechanism being too heavy(IIRC, the F-111 had this issue at the start).

The computer is not the issue. How the wings move is.

As for the airfoil, look at it this way. When the wings are swept back you have an entirely consistent airfoil shape which complies with the incoming flow of wind. Once the wings sweep fully forward, the airfoil is now facing away from the incoming flow of wind. This causes severely increased turbulence(the wing is no longer cutting air properly) which causes the plane to became unstable.

Normal variable sweep aircraft don't have this issue since the airfoil is always facing the incoming wind.

Just for that...

"All men are NOT created equal! Some are born swifter afoot, some with greater beauty, some are born into poverty and others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and upbringing, in sheer scope of ability every human is inherently different; Yes, that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong, equality is. What of the Commonwealth which made equality a right? Rabble politics by a popularity contest. The Union of Emperican Socialist Republics with its equal distribution of wealth? A nation of lazy dullards. But not our beloved Britannia, we fight, we compete, evolution is continuous. Britannia alone moves forward, advancing steadily into the future. We will fight on, we shall struggle, compete, plunder and dominate, and in the end, the future shall be ours. ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!"

-Board Director Pegasus zi Britannia honoring her father's historical speech

"Then how can you practice Social Darwinism without guilt that your fellow men are dropping dead? Is it a justification to earn money at the expense of others? Or are you a asshole?"
~CEO van der Xiiem, ironically in the Socialist party

"They wouldn't be dropping dead if they were not lazy and unproductive."

-Pegasus zi Britannia

I'm gonna have to ask this: WHY IS EVERYONE ON NS A LIBERAL/SOCIALIST/GOODIE-2-SHOES DEMOCRACY?

Bloody Madoka Kaname it's like being surrounded by MarySuetopias.

[The God-Realm]

First off, using flexible composite materials in the construction of FSW reduces weight compared to using stronger materials to resist torsion.

Secondly, additional bulk/weight is meaningless as these are accounted for when the aircraft is actually designed, rather than building a plane and sticking a sweep mechanism in there. Center of gravity problems can easily be adressed by padding weight towards the front of the plane, assuming there actually would be problems to begin with. I have no numbers on how much a variable sweep mechanism actually weighs, and if you can bring those up, that'd be much obliged. Considering weight is essentially handwaved anyways, unless I'm the only person not figuring out the individual weight for every individual part in the plane, I fail to see any problem here.

Thirdly, this is PMT, here's my handwavium flight computer.

Fourthly, considering I'm not an aeronautical engineer, I can't comment on anything pertaining to the airfoil. That section of the Wikipedia article is horrendously ineloquent when it comes to describing things, so if you could elaborate on why the airfoil is inconsistent, that would be appreciated.

What flexible wings? The Active Aerolastic Wings work because there's a computer actively twisting the wings slightly to counter the issue of the FSW design.

Adding more weight to counter excess weight on a plane is not the best of ideas. You're basically increasing the empty weight and limiting how much ordinance the aircraft can carry. I'm not sure how much the sweep mechanism weights, but other variable sweep fighters have had issues with their mechanism being too heavy(IIRC, the F-111 had this issue at the start).

The computer is not the issue. How the wings move is.

As for the airfoil, look at it this way. When the wings are swept back you have an entirely consistent airfoil shape which complies with the incoming flow of wind. Once the wings sweep fully forward, the airfoil is now facing away from the incoming flow of wind. This causes severely increased turbulence(the wing is no longer cutting air properly) which causes the plane to became unstable.

Normal variable sweep aircraft don't have this issue since the airfoil is always facing the incoming wind.

"Then how can you practice Social Darwinism without guilt that your fellow men are dropping dead? Is it a justification to earn money at the expense of others? Or are you a asshole?"
~CEO van der Xiiem, ironically in the Socialist party

"They wouldn't be dropping dead if they were not lazy and unproductive."

-Pegasus zi Britannia

I'm gonna have to ask this: WHY IS EVERYONE ON NS A LIBERAL/SOCIALIST/GOODIE-2-SHOES DEMOCRACY?

Bloody Madoka Kaname it's like being surrounded by MarySuetopias.

"Dude, like, if we all jam together they can be happy and productive! Unlike your tween pop music with no good beat. We can't expect you to agree, because you just said 'I HATE POOR PEOPLE PARIS HILTON IS MY IDOL'"
~Candide Geltier, Vice CEO, Social Democracy

Well, elections are going to be held in Capitalist Wellboneland, if you support Conservativpartei (Which is really nationalist, and not conservative), Social Darwinism will be implemented!

Can't do shit to Maoist Wellboneland though.
And for nuke-happy members.

[Xanixi]

30th of September, 2036

£0.88

The London Chronicles
From One Nation, We Ring

---

Royal Knights march through London on Union Day

Union Day Has Arrived!
Festivities Erupt Across Britannia

A day of enormous festivities for Britannia has arrived, as the 25th anniversary of the creation of the former British Dominion - of which led to the Britannian Commonwealth - is celebrated by populations in the all across Britannia, but none more intense than in the Britannian Citadel States.

Enormous parades crowded the streets as thousands of citizens proudly waved Union Jacks at the sky, chanting 'Long Live Britannia!' High-ranking political figures travelled throughout the major streets of cities such as London, Dublin, Edinburgh, Paris, Madrid and Rome. Though the grand majority of them were dukes, in London, Berlin and Helsinki, ministers visiting the area participated in the parades, waving at nearby citizens.

Near the end of the parade, as thousands of citizens gathered near Buckingham Palace, a speech from His Majesty, of which was transmitted across the nation, was given: “Twenty eight years ago, a political party managed to become elected to Parliament. With great power, they expanded their policies at London and increased their power. Eventually, within the year, they had conquered Parliament and were ready to begin planting the first seeds.

“Ireland was invaded, expanding the Empire. Then Europe. In just three years, a small nation occupying little more than an island had pushed itself to the top marks of the world, surpassing the world's superpowers in economic and military strengths.

“Twenty five years ago, the British Dominion was founded, placing but merely the first steps of what we are today. What it would become would be the marvel of a world, the envy of so many and the attraction of which everyone would speak.

“Today, the Britannian Commonwealth is not what it is because Anderson had learnt and applied politics. It is not because the Prime Minister was so effective in establishing acceptable policies. It is not because our armed forces pushed so steadily and so strongly to ensure the men, women and children back home did not suffer. It is not because I have been here, guiding Britannia every step of the way. It is because we serve people such as yourselves - the indomitable, determined and courageous - that has created an impervious aegis around this nation.

“When our children read their history books and ask their parents about the origins of Britannia and how it has survived so long, do not say it is because of me. Do not say it is because of the Prime Minister, or the ministries or the government. Tell them it is because the people of Britannia are unique and naught can surpass her.

“Long Live Britannia!”

The ceremony is set to end at midnight, with soldiers of the Royal Knights firing bursts of ammunition into the sky.

[New Emperica]

Herp-a-derp.

Wait, did I just herp?

HOLY CRAP, I'M HERPING!

[The God-Realm]

Herp-a-derp.

Wait, did I just herp?

HOLY CRAP, I'M HERPING!

HURR IM A HOERS

[YellowApple]

Herp-a-derp.

Wait, did I just herp?

HOLY CRAP, I'M HERPING!

HURR IM A HOERS

Relevant.

[The God-Realm]

HURR IM A HOERS

Relevant.

Lol.

[Xanixi]

Okay. Firstly, I would like to apologise for my activity yesterday. Most of you don't know, but the only officially recognised national holiday for Britannia is - quite conveniently - on my birthday. I like to think that anything and everything I say on NS is actually a representative saying it for me, so my disappearance on the 30th of September is justified by most ministers and representatives going off and having a holiday through the nicely built parades.

Then soldiers fire their weapons into the sky.

So, yeah. I'm fifteen now. And I've got work to do.

*Goes make SA-80 variant for Britannian Army*
*Renames to SA-35 to fit historical history*

[Grand Britannia]

...My birthday isn't on the 30th....

[New Emperica]

Okay. Firstly, I would like to apologise for my activity yesterday. Most of you don't know, but the only officially recognised national holiday for Britannia is - quite conveniently - on my birthday. I like to think that anything and everything I say on NS is actually a representative saying it for me, so my disappearance on the 30th of September is justified by most ministers and representatives going off and having a holiday through the nicely built parades.

Then soldiers fire their weapons into the sky.

So, yeah. I'm fifteen now. And I've got work to do.

Meh. I don't make Emperica's Revolution Day on July 8th just because it's my birthday; I make it in October/November so it feels more Russian. When is Myka's..? August? November..? Meh.

[Imperial--japan]

Governmental Information

Name of nation: Imperial--Japan
Head of state: Empress Kotonoha
Head of Government:Viceory Miana Leves
Governmental system (Constitutional Monarchy, Single-Party dictatorship etc. etc.): Semi-Autonomous state under Britannia
Economic system (Corporatist, Laissez-Faire etc. etc.): Protectionist
WA Economic rating: Frightening
WA Political rights rating: Few

Military Information

Number of servicemen in your military:159,160,000
Percentage of servicemen in your military: 2%
Number of overall active and reserve servicemen: 120,750,000 in reserve. The rest are active.
Number of servicemen in the Army:79,580,000
Number of servicemen in the Navy:39,790,000
Number of servicemen in the Air-Force:39,790,000
Strongest branch of military: Navy
Head of the Army Commander and chief Otome Katou
Head of the Navy: Sekai Saionji
Head of the Air-Force: Setsuna Kiora

RP Information

I've rp'd with you guys before.
RP type most comfortable with (Diplomatic gatherings, wars etc. etc.): Wars, Diplomatic Gatherings, assassinations.
RP type least comfortable with: Any FT rp.

Basically I have a computer now and I'm re-applying.

[The God-Realm]

Governmental Information

Name of nation: Imperial--Japan
Head of state: Empress Kotonoha
Head of Government:Viceory Miana Leves
Governmental system (Constitutional Monarchy, Single-Party dictatorship etc. etc.): Semi-Autonomous state under Britannia
Economic system (Corporatist, Laissez-Faire etc. etc.): Protectionist
WA Economic rating: Frightening
WA Political rights rating: Few

Military Information

Number of servicemen in your military:159,160,000
Percentage of servicemen in your military: 2%
Number of overall active and reserve servicemen: 120,750,000 in reserve. The rest are active.
Number of servicemen in the Army:79,580,000
Number of servicemen in the Navy:39,790,000
Number of servicemen in the Air-Force:39,790,000
Strongest branch of military: Navy
Head of the Army Commander and chief Otome Katou
Head of the Navy: Sekai Saionji
Head of the Air-Force: Setsuna Kiora

RP Information

I've rp'd with you guys before.
RP type most comfortable with (Diplomatic gatherings, wars etc. etc.): Wars, Diplomatic Gatherings, assassinations.
RP type least comfortable with: Any FT rp.

Basically I have a computer now and I'm re-applying.

Hi there c: