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Altaiire
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Postby Altaiire » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:16 pm

II.ii) Establishing that extradition between nations is an obligation to those of which it is requested;

I.vi) Establishing that asylum cannot be granted by a Coalition member state when the individual wanted is being requested by another Coalition member state;
Establishing that extradition between nations is an obligation to those of which it is requested;


Altair raises an objection over these two clauses. Altair frequently offers asylum for victims of religious and political persecution. We will not extradite those wanted for offenses that are not crimes by any measure. The objection to Clause 6 is born from the same mindset; If a Coalition member was to request extradition for an individual based on their religious or poltical affiliations, we would and will refuse extradition.


Article IV - Inter-Coalition Court of Justice


IV.i) Noting the immense necessity of an international court of justice unbiased to any one government or organisation;

IV.ii) Further noting that such an international court would be utilised for the most barbaric of criminal actions of which include but are not limited to gross human and/or civil rights violations, genocide as well as other crimes against humanity and war crimes;

IV.iii) Establishes the Inter-Coalition Court of Justice, or the ICCJ, to undergo all justice hearings on behalf of the Coalition of Steel;

IV.iv) Establishes that should a leader of an enemy nation - of which has committed gross civil rights violations - be captured, they shall face fair trial before the Inter-Coalition Court of Justice of which will determine whether they are guilty or no and their respective sentences;


Our objection over Article IV is that it creates redundancy in the role of the Citadel of Eternity. Altair must be able to conduct a trial independently of the ICCJ, and Eternity's ruling must be joint with the ICCJ.
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Xanixi
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Postby Xanixi » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:21 am

Altaiire wrote:
II.ii) Establishing that extradition between nations is an obligation to those of which it is requested;

I.vi) Establishing that asylum cannot be granted by a Coalition member state when the individual wanted is being requested by another Coalition member state;
Establishing that extradition between nations is an obligation to those of which it is requested;


Altair raises an objection over these two clauses. Altair frequently offers asylum for victims of religious and political persecution. We will not extradite those wanted for offenses that are not crimes by any measure. The objection to Clause 6 is born from the same mindset; If a Coalition member was to request extradition for an individual based on their religious or poltical affiliations, we would and will refuse extradition.


Article IV - Inter-Coalition Court of Justice


IV.i) Noting the immense necessity of an international court of justice unbiased to any one government or organisation;

IV.ii) Further noting that such an international court would be utilised for the most barbaric of criminal actions of which include but are not limited to gross human and/or civil rights violations, genocide as well as other crimes against humanity and war crimes;

IV.iii) Establishes the Inter-Coalition Court of Justice, or the ICCJ, to undergo all justice hearings on behalf of the Coalition of Steel;

IV.iv) Establishes that should a leader of an enemy nation - of which has committed gross civil rights violations - be captured, they shall face fair trial before the Inter-Coalition Court of Justice of which will determine whether they are guilty or no and their respective sentences;


Our objection over Article IV is that it creates redundancy in the role of the Citadel of Eternity. Altair must be able to conduct a trial independently of the ICCJ, and Eternity's ruling must be joint with the ICCJ.


Quote I

Well, perhaps it -was- my oversimplification and belief that a member state of the Coalition of Steel would do no such thing. Of course, I suppose I could find some way to integrate religious persecution as some form of subsection that exempts it from the resolution. I'll go do that now.

Edit: Never mind what I had for political persecution. I added a subsection exempting political and religious persecution to Article II, Section II. Of course, now I need to see how to combat a government denying it was political or religious persecution, or how to stop a nation from saying it is when it's not.

Edit-II: I also added a new definition for political and religious persecution as Article I, Section XI. I'd like your take on it.

Quote II

If the Citadel of Eternity is a creation in order to give fair trial to war criminals captured, then I do not see why they could not work in conjunction with the ICCJ in order to determine whether or not the defendant is guilty, and their sentence. For internal matters, the Citadel of Eternity may work on its own.

Though I did not state it, the ICCJ's main personnel would be judges elected from the four Coalition Parliamentary members. I'll add that too. Perhaps the Citadel of Eternity could add a representative in order to make the necessary presence?
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Altaiire
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Postby Altaiire » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:56 pm

The Citadel of Eternity is the most sacrosanct facet of both Altarian politics and Altarian society as a whole. It must remain an independent entity, its sentences left uncontaminated by potentinal foreign bias. Altair is already the arbiter of justice, the faithful defender of all those threatened by the depraved sample of humanity. Why not simply leave the judging to Eternity?
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Grand Britannia
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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:03 pm

The Holy Empire of Altaire.

Now with 20% more inquisitions.
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Postby YellowApple » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:57 pm

I'd be ICly opposed to the near-unconditional obligation of extradition. If limited to felony violations of laws shared between the two nations, then it would be a different story, but no sane YellowApplan court will extradite someone over stealing a candy bar. Exempting political and religious persecution is a good start, but it needs to go further before it could be compatible with YellowApple, Inc. political asylum policies.

Basically, I'd recommend automatic extradition rights only be applicable to the following crimes:

  • Murder
  • Rape
  • Physical assault
  • Grand theft
  • Terrorism (as in actual terrorism - like hijacking a plane or building a bomb with the intent of killing lots of people)
  • Other crimes of comparable severity and universal heinousness

Lesser crimes (petty theft, tax evasion, illegal immigration, small-scale (soft) drug dealing, etc.) are not worth the expense of transportation. If such legislation were to be used to coerce YellowApple, Inc. into extradition for crimes that are not classified as felonies by both YellowApple, Inc. and the nation in question, YellowApple, Inc. would at the very least require that all expenses be paid by the nation requesting extradition.



I concur.

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Altaiire
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Postby Altaiire » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:04 am

Grand Britannia wrote:The Holy Empire of Altaire.

Now with 20% more inquisitions.


20% of 0 = 0

maths
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:46 am

Altaiire wrote:The Citadel of Eternity is the most sacrosanct facet of both Altarian politics and Altarian society as a whole. It must remain an independent entity, its sentences left uncontaminated by potentinal[sic] foreign bias. Altair is already the arbiter of justice, the faithful defender of all those threatened by the depraved sample of humanity. Why not simply leave the judging to Eternity?


The Altarian Empire is most free to use its judges for 'petty' crimes. Crimes involving the Altarian Empire alone (for example, a murder or attack [of which would be subject to extradition should they escape]) can be dealt with by the Altarian Empire's Citadel. The ICCJ is for the highest of crimes. For example, a 9/11-esque attack on the Altarian Empire would result in the ICCJ, as an organisation, issuing a Coalition Arrest Warrant to capture the man and try him.

YellowApple wrote:I'd be ICly opposed to the near-unconditional obligation of extradition. If limited to felony violations of laws shared between the two nations, then it would be a different story, but no sane YellowApplan court will extradite someone over stealing a candy bar. Exempting political and religious persecution is a good start, but it needs to go further before it could be compatible with YellowApple, Inc. political asylum policies.

Basically, I'd recommend automatic extradition rights only be applicable to the following crimes:

  • Murder
  • Rape
  • Physical assault
  • Grand theft
  • Terrorism (as in actual terrorism - like hijacking a plane or building a bomb with the intent of killing lots of people)
  • Other crimes of comparable severity and universal heinousness

Lesser crimes (petty theft, tax evasion, illegal immigration, small-scale (soft) drug dealing, etc.) are not worth the expense of transportation. If such legislation were to be used to coerce YellowApple, Inc. into extradition for crimes that are not classified as felonies by both YellowApple, Inc. and the nation in question, YellowApple, Inc. would at the very least require that all expenses be paid by the nation requesting extradition.



I concur.


Firstly, I'd like to apologise for having sent this incorrect sensation in the piece. It was not my intention.

Extradition for things such as petty theft is absurd, and it really hadn't come to mind as a possibility for extradition when I made the resolution. I'm not entirely sure how I would go about adding that part into the resolution, however. Attempting to generalise it might leave it too broad and allow for abuse of the legislation. Any attempt to specify could block out unforeseen events.

I was also assuming that transportation expenses would be covered by the Coalition Central Bank.

I'll need your help on that.

Either way, you're an observer, so you choose to cooperate. Since I technically can't put any real power on top of the observers...
Sly bastards.
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Postby Altaiire » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:23 am

Although it already passed, let the record show that Altair opposes this proposal.
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Postby Xanixi » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:28 am

Altaiire wrote:Although it already passed, let the record show that Altair opposes this proposal.


Yes, it has passed. But I want to try to get Altair to approve it before it becomes effective. The Altarian Empire is amongst the closest (on my end) allies of the Britannian Commonwealth. I'd like your approval.

What you're asking, however, is that we exempt you from participation in the ICCJ rather than participating and utilising the Citadel of Eternity for internal affairs.
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Postby Xanixi » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:54 pm

26th of September, 2036
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The London Chronicles
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The Parliament building, where the elections were undertaken before His and Her Majesty
Royal Parliament Announces Change in Prime Minister
Jack Brown Resigns From Office


In a statement today by the top forces of the Britannian government, of which included all twelve members of the Royal Parliament as well as His and Her Majesty, it was announced that the office of the Prime Minister, held by Mr Jack Brown since its inception in 2024, for a raging twelve years, has been replaced after Mr Brown felt that his reign in office was “more than enough for any one man to undertake'.

The decision comes after Mr Brown's decisions during representations with the dukes of a multitude of Britannian Citadel States - also known as the British Isles - led him to believe that he had “become rather outdated with modern politics. I really ought to take a rest.” He stated in an interview shortly after the announcement that “I've lived a marvellous life. I've worked for my nation for twelve straight years as Prime Minister, and have helped lead this nation through some of the darkest periods, including the Second Scorpion War and the on-going Boscan Insurgency War. But I feel I've grown outdated. I'm not quite like His Majesty, nor should I ever aspire to be. The Royal Family are some of the most valuable people I've seen reign since Anderson first began the conquests in 2009, and I can assure the people of the Britannian Commonwealth that - even with my disappearance - Britannia shall continue to prosper.”

His Majesty King Desmond stated in Parliament that, “Despite this rather unexpected turn of events, I believe that the protocols put in place when my reign began in 2024 are more than enough to establish the next few steps that we must take in order to ensure a calm and safe transition.”

Public Opinion
All present dukes - except for Logan Davidson, the duke of Westminster, who is presently representing the Britannian Commonwealth at an important event in Mykmacia - have submitted to the London Chronicles a representative survey of opinions across each provincial territory in order to determine the overall public opinion as far north as Norway and south as the Falklands.

Thus far, public opinion appears cross at the change, seeing as a majority of them had prospered both economically and socially under the reign of Mr Brown, and are certainly upset at his leaving. However, the surveys also estimated that a grand majority of them have determined accepted that His Majesty King Desmond Shepard's protocol on the election of a new Prime Minister, of which had yet to be tested, would result in a significant replacement for the office, though many agreed that none could surpass the public relationship His Majesty and Mr Brown shared.

King Desmond stated in an interview, “I understand that many of my people are rather scared of the transition. Obviously, governmental transition is a sensitive subject due to the effectiveness of the Imperial Council's rabid integration into London's politics and the eventual outcome of the transition. However, I assure you that this change will not move as discretely; Parliament is keeping close eyes on the results and we'll inform the public as information becomes readily available.”

Speaking with Mr Brown, they said, “Despite Mr Brown - a close friend and compatriot to Parliament and the people of Britannia - leaving the Britannian government's PM office, he will remain closely intertwined with our politics. He doesn't wish to leave us so empty.”

Mr Brown said: “The last thing I wish to see is Britannia break down due to some form of unnecessary bickering over the Prime Minister's office. The protocols designate clear transitions, and as the previous PM, I will be observing the change to ensure everything moves smoothly. So close to Union Day, there can be a great many amounts of chaos, so we'll definitely be careful.”

Parliament has announced that Mr Brown has requested he be assigned as a political dignitary, and - though at this moment he has yet to make a request - it is most probable that he ask to be the new representing ambassador to the Coalition of Steel, the organisation he and King Desmond devoted themselves to so strongly.

The New Man in Office
Finally, after a significant wait for the parliamentarian vote to finalise, Parliament has announced that it has effectively elected, following protocol, the new Prime Minister. Standing beside King Desmond in an announcement, Mr Brown had previously requested to be the one to display to the people of Britannia their new Prime Minister.

“It has been a strong week for Parliament,” he began, noting that not only had their elections arrived but also the recent duke mission to Mykmacia, as well as the deployment of extra military forces to Il Bosco, had strained the time Parliament had to address each one, though he later stated that Parliament had dedicated more than adequate amount of time to each issue. “Parliament is in the process of tackling a great quantity of objectives this week, of which many of them expect to be accomplished by next weekend. But even the military deployments to deal with the terrorist strikes in the Matriarchy have not grabbed the attention of the public as much as this recent election. Transition has become a foul word in Britannia, and it's time we put that to rest.

“So, without further ado, I present to you, the citizens and people of Britannia, your new Prime Minister, Mr Weston Purcell”.

Mr Purcell's subsequent speech, of which involved an elaboration of his policies, as well as many future plans to continue the prospering of Britannia, seemed to pique the interest of the general public, of whom was very approving. Mr Purcell said that he would “do my best to make sure the economic, social and political policies become integrated with Britannia immediately”.

One of his policies - of which has drawn attention from Parliament - is his more interventionist nature. Recently, Parliament has seen a decrease of the necessity of deploying military forces overseas, despite their present deployments in the Federal State (more commonly known as Rime), Alice-Shanghai and Il Bosco, as well as an interest in the conflict revolving Mykmacia and the nation of 'Surran'. Mr Purcell's present interventionist policy appears to be calculating and implement a policy of “establishing democracy across the civilised world”, and, “Making sure that humanity's marks for the democratic process augment”.

King Desmond has stated previously that - despite Parliament having a predisposition against military deployments as of now - they would “be dedicating time and resources to determining whether Mr Purcell's policies are sufficient to become Britannian policy”.

Policy Arguments
Parliament has stated previously that it is determined to maintain its present policy regarding its military and will not seek to expand it or its capabilities beyond national defence. Mr Purcell's recent implication of changing the policy has seen a flare from isolationists that state the intervention of the Britannian military would see a spark of the belief that Britannia was merely “an international menace”.

One man protesting the policy in front of the Federal Diplomatic Centre in Paris, named Petri Ruoho, said “This new interventionist policy - if approved - will see Britannia's role as an international menace increase while the good aspects of Britannian are shrouded in darkness by this demeaning action. We mustn't take this action if Britannia wishes to maintain its present international influence.”

More on the arguments against the PM's policy on pages 6-8


Leading Stories
  • Pages 2-3: Stories of the Insurgency: Il Boscon conflicts
  • Pages 4-6: Operations Continue in Alice-Shanghai against insurgencies
  • Page 5: Protests near Britannian base at Saint Antoine attracts government attention
  • Pages 6-8: Prime Minister's policies; 'loads of rubbish'
  • Pages 9-10: Myko-Surrani War at a standstill
  • Pages 11-15: Britannian effectively begins COIN on Saint Antoine
  • Pages 16-18: Royal Knights engage pirates near Canary Islands
  • Pages 19-27: Local News
  • Pages 28-39: Culture
  • Pages 40-52: Economics
  • Pages 53-68: Politics
  • Pages 69-76: Culture
  • Pages 77-82: Sports
  • Pages 83-88: Other News


Nasty way to tell you I changed my Prime Minister, yeah?
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Postby New Emperica » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:32 pm

Bloody hell! WHAT IS THAT?

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To long. Just skimmed it.

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Postby Svetar » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:12 pm

Am I still an observer?

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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:11 pm

Behold, when this is done, no one will be able to say FSW aircraft are not worth it!

Well...it would still be a bit pricy, but it must be done because rule of cool.


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  • Role
    • Multirole
  • National Origin
    • Britannia
  • Manufacturer
    • Lancaster Defence Solutions
  • First Flight
    • March 21, 2037
  • Introduction
    • June 9, 2043
  • Status
    • Active
  • Primary User
    • Britannian Naval Aviation Corps
  • Produced
    • FFG-X: 2037; FFG-41: 2043
  • Number Built
    • ~870
  • Program Cost
    • 132 Billion Sterlings(τ)
  • Unit Cost
    • 278 Million Sterlings(τ)


General Characteristics
  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 16.45m(53.96ft)
  • Wingspan: 11.56m(37.92ft)
  • Height: 4.83m(15.84ft)
  • Wing Area: (239.7ft)
  • Air Foil: NACA 2412
  • Empty Weight: 11,879kg(26,182lb)
  • Maximum Take-Off Weight: 32,160kg(70,900lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 x FNK-5001 3 dimensional thrust vectoring turbofan
    • Dry Thrust: 32,000lbf(142.34kN)
    • Afterburner: 40,000lbf(177.93kN)
  • Fuel Capacity:16,200lb internally, 19,200 w/ fuel tank

Performance
  • Maximum Speed
    • Super Cruise: Mach 1.2
    • Afterburner: Mach 1.7
  • Combat Radius: 1,000nmi
  • Ferry Range: 2,120nmi
  • Service Ceiling: 18,700m(61,351ft)
  • Wing Loading: 295.7lb/ft
  • Thrust/Weight: 1.53
  • Maximum Design g-load: 9.0g

Armament
  • Guns: 1 x 20mm M72A1 6-barreled Gatling cannon
  • Hardpoints: 11 pylons(8 under-wing, 3 underbelly)
  • Missiles:
      Ait-to-Air:
      • AIM-15S Skyarrow
      • AIM-135 Skylance
      Air-to-Ground:
      • AGM-78 Halberd
      • AGM-112 Falchion

Avionics
  • Radar:
    • AN/APG-92 Active Electronically Scanned Array(Nose, tail, sides)
    • Helmet Mounted Display
  • Countermeasures
    • AN/AAQ-41 electro-optical Distributed Aperture System radar warning receiver
    • AN/ASQ-300 electronic warfare system
    • AN/ALE-45 Chaff/Flare dispenser system
    • Multifunction Advanced Data Link communication systems
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Postby Altaiire » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:47 pm

Xanixi wrote:
Altaiire wrote:Although it already passed, let the record show that Altair opposes this proposal.


Yes, it has passed. But I want to try to get Altair to approve it before it becomes effective. The Altarian Empire is amongst the closest (on my end) allies of the Britannian Commonwealth. I'd like your approval.

What you're asking, however, is that we exempt you from participation in the ICCJ rather than participating and utilising the Citadel of Eternity for internal affairs.


OoC: Altarian opposition comes from three points: Distrust, tradition, and nationalism. Firstly, Altair doesn't trust other nations to act as impartially as it does. Secondly, a common Altarian belief in the greatness of justice is reflected in Eternity's stature as the greatest and most revered branch of the Altarian government, even if it is the one least paid public attention: Even the zoning laws in Altair are significantly regulated so that the massive Citadel of Eternity towers over every other building, reflecting this mindset. By making Eternity a part of a committee, it states that Eternity has an equal in its arbitration, an affront to this belief. Thirdly, diminishing the voice of Eternity from an absolute judge to a member of a committee would be extremely disheartening to Altarians. It would be seen as a loss of power and sovereignty and an infringement upon Altair's purpose as a nation in the world. There is little that can be done about this, but expect Altair to be non-compliant with the Coalition and the ICCJ next time a war comes about and people end up going to trial for crimes against humanity.
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Postby Xanixi » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:12 pm

Altaiire wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
Yes, it has passed. But I want to try to get Altair to approve it before it becomes effective. The Altarian Empire is amongst the closest (on my end) allies of the Britannian Commonwealth. I'd like your approval.

What you're asking, however, is that we exempt you from participation in the ICCJ rather than participating and utilising the Citadel of Eternity for internal affairs.


OoC: Altarian opposition comes from three points: Distrust, tradition, and nationalism. Firstly, Altair doesn't trust other nations to act as impartially as it does. Secondly, a common Altarian belief in the greatness of justice is reflected in Eternity's stature as the greatest and most revered branch of the Altarian government, even if it is the one least paid public attention: Even the zoning laws in Altair are significantly regulated so that the massive Citadel of Eternity towers over every other building, reflecting this mindset. By making Eternity a part of a committee, it states that Eternity has an equal in its arbitration, an affront to this belief. Thirdly, diminishing the voice of Eternity from an absolute judge to a member of a committee would be extremely disheartening to Altarians. It would be seen as a loss of power and sovereignty and an infringement upon Altair's purpose as a nation in the world. There is little that can be done about this, but expect Altair to be non-compliant with the Coalition and the ICCJ next time a war comes about and people end up going to trial for crimes against humanity.



Well, it would be for situations involving the Coalition. If Altair goes fight a war alone and captures the leader, you would try them. If the Altarian Empire, UESR and Britannia fight, then it goes to the ICCJ. I understand the nationalism, but you can't possibly believe you do everything yourself. If you do, what's the point of joining a coalition?
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| Military: 5,482,193 | GDP: US$32,842,135,458,524.96 | Lifespan: ~650 y/o |
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This one really is just because I wanted to do it.
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Britannian retaliatory strike - of in the distance, the detonation of a Joint Strike Missile (JSM) is seen

Engagement in Olmatur
Skirmish Begins


In a statement today by Royal High Command, zealous patriots in Olmatur engaged a Britannian patrol, injuring three soldiers and killing one. The assault was made as the troops walked through a packed market and were unexpectedly fired upon from stands, doors and rooftops. His Majesty King Desmond said today, “This disgusting attack on Britannian peacekeeping forces in Olmatur has proven that our role in maintaining security in the nation is not complete. And I - on behalf of the Britannian government - can assure you that the we shall not allow this to go unanswered.”

Retaliation
Officially, the Britannian government stated that preliminary data connects the attack to Olmica, a nationalistic freedom fighter group with rumoured close connections to the Olmaturan government. The Britannian government stated that this assault would call for an immediate retaliation and that, “The Britannian Army will not cease until Olmica is completely incapable of carrying out the operations”.

Twelve hours after the eight-man group was attacked (with the lose of Lance Corporal Jamie Greens), an official retaliation, brought upon by twenty-six Britannian soldiers, with major assistance from the Royal Air Force, obliterated what the Royal Military Intelligence - the main intelligence agency of the Britannian Commonwealth - stated was a “major military installation for Olmica”.

In the assault, a nominal fifteen fighters were captured, with forty more killed. For Britannia, the casualties were lower, though significant - four soldiers were severely wounded, and five more were killed.

The entire compound was completely destroyed, as Field Marshal Alfred James has stated, “The compound's exterior wall was completely destroyed, from which multiple AMZ-26 Badgers managed to penetrate the facility's defences and eliminate enemy forces”. Other reports say that the Royal Navy's aerial presence in the area was crucial to the success, as it killed large quantities of armoured presence of which allowed dominance to Britannian Army RT404 Challenger tanks.

Defence Minister Bradly Hargrave said, “Our intent with the attack was not to damage the relations with the Olmaturan government, of whom we suspected was giving aid to the group. Rather, we wished to retaliate against the group for the vile attack they themselves carried out against the Britannian Army, and wish to eliminate their ability to do so twice”.

Additionally, the Field Marshal for the Royal Enforcer Corps - Godfrey Outterridge - stated, “At this point, the Britannian government is trying to do everything to get the Olmaturan government to agree to allowing us full spectrum military power in the region, but they're denying us access. It is a hard thing to say, but we have the preconception that they do not want the nationalistic group stopped, but neither do they want to maintain their own security. It's an intertwined conflict of which Britannia is not going to stand.”

The Britannian government officially stated that it is not going to force the acceptance of their operations, but will be pushing forth their presence in an attempt to discourage enemy forces from continuing attacks. Royal High Command stated, “We are taking this very seriously. We pardon for the mistrust that appears to be rife, but the Britannian military will not stand for it. Unfortunately, the Olmaturan government is reluctant to allow us free operations. If such cannot be accomplished, we assure everyone that any and all attacks on Britannian personnel or citizens will result in a retaliatory attack of immense measures”.

Olmaturan response
The Olmaturan government has submitted a complaint that stated the assault on the compound was illegal, under which the protectorate treaty will allow them to evict Britannian forces from territories under their administration at a faster pace.

Responding to the action, President Baraz Rostami, said, “This illegal, unprovoked and unilateral strike by the Britannian military forces is completely unacceptable by international terms, as they did not request permission from the Olmaturan government before conducting their operations.

“Due to these illegal actions, we have the option to order a faster eviction of military forces belonging to the Britannian Commonwealth. We are prepared to utilise them, should Britannia feel it is able to conduct more operations without permission”.

In response, Foreign Affairs Minister John Hampton replied, “Representing the Britannian government, I can assure the Britannian people that our actions in Olmatur were not illegal nor unprovoked as it was a retaliatory strike against a terrorist group that had killed Britannian personnel.

“Furthermore, I cannot deny that the Olmaturan government, on their own behalf, have the option to utilise a specific ruling that allows them to order quicker evacuation of military forces if they deem an action is illegal. This is not to be denominated as incorrect in any way, shape or form. However, the protectorate treaty was signed because anti-government forces were consistently perpetuating a war on the government, and they required assistance. As Britannian forces arrived, they were pushed back and eliminated. Without our presence, the secretly-growing anti-government groups will return and they will attack the Olmaturan government in such a manner that these patriots will not be enough, and neither shall the Olmaturan military. So, yes, the Olmaturan government has the ability, but they themselves know they will not use it. Especially so during such a critical time for Olmatur.”

The Olmaturan government had no comment on the statement.

Deployment
Presently, fifteen thousand Britannian troops are deployed all across Olmatur in eight different bases, of which the headquarters is located in the centre of the northern mountain range and is relatively close to a grand multitude of cities and the most dangerous district of the nation, Zapjukpir. The HQ, also the largest one, maintains approximately three thousand troops, while the average for the remainder is between 1,700 and 1,800.

More on deployments on pages 8-14


Leading Stories
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  • Pages 8-14: Deployments: The True Story
  • Pages 15-20: Liverpool Beats Real Madrid; Wins BFL
  • Pages 21-27: Local News
  • Pages 28-39: Culture
  • Pages 40-52: Economics
  • Pages 53-68: Politics
  • Pages 69-76: Culture
  • Pages 77-82: Sports
  • Pages 83-88: Other News
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| Military: 5,482,193 | GDP: US$32,842,135,458,524.96 | Lifespan: ~650 y/o |
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Postby Altaiire » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:17 am

Xanixi wrote:
Altaiire wrote:
OoC: Altarian opposition comes from three points: Distrust, tradition, and nationalism. Firstly, Altair doesn't trust other nations to act as impartially as it does. Secondly, a common Altarian belief in the greatness of justice is reflected in Eternity's stature as the greatest and most revered branch of the Altarian government, even if it is the one least paid public attention: Even the zoning laws in Altair are significantly regulated so that the massive Citadel of Eternity towers over every other building, reflecting this mindset. By making Eternity a part of a committee, it states that Eternity has an equal in its arbitration, an affront to this belief. Thirdly, diminishing the voice of Eternity from an absolute judge to a member of a committee would be extremely disheartening to Altarians. It would be seen as a loss of power and sovereignty and an infringement upon Altair's purpose as a nation in the world. There is little that can be done about this, but expect Altair to be non-compliant with the Coalition and the ICCJ next time a war comes about and people end up going to trial for crimes against humanity.



Well, it would be for situations involving the Coalition. If Altair goes fight a war alone and captures the leader, you would try them. If the Altarian Empire, UESR and Britannia fight, then it goes to the ICCJ. I understand the nationalism, but you can't possibly believe you do everything yourself. If you do, what's the point of joining a coalition?


Altair sees the Coalition as a military and economic pact. It will resist any moves to create an overarching inter-Coalition political system.
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Altaiire wrote:
Xanixi wrote:

Well, it would be for situations involving the Coalition. If Altair goes fight a war alone and captures the leader, you would try them. If the Altarian Empire, UESR and Britannia fight, then it goes to the ICCJ. I understand the nationalism, but you can't possibly believe you do everything yourself. If you do, what's the point of joining a coalition?


Altair sees the Coalition as a military and economic pact. It will resist any moves to create an overarching inter-Coalition political system.


Oi. Perhaps a nuke would make you stop being difficult?
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The Coalition, at its most primitive, -is- merely just a military and economic pact. This is the first true political legislation to be passed, as I have yet to create inter-Coalition passports
:p

How could I possibly convince the Altarian populace that accepting a political agreement with the Coalition of Steel would be most handy for them?

I guess I'm also a bit nervous that - should this seriously become of use - the Altarian Empire would be uncooperative. I do believe that we need to reorganise ourselves, or we'll face a deadly crisis the first moment we need to judge a leader.

Honestly, I understand the nationalism (hello insurgency @ Olmatur), but if a Coalition force goes to capture the leader, Altair isn't the one to try them because their soldier got hands first. It goes to the ICCJ. That's the purpose of the resolution.

Is there really no way I can get Altair to agree to the resolution (without the disintegration of the ICCJ) before it becomes established as Coalition Law?
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| Military: 5,482,193 | GDP: US$32,842,135,458,524.96 | Lifespan: ~650 y/o |
Dr. Carl Sagan wrote:“They say astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”
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Really, no comment on my plane....
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Grand Britannia wrote:Really, no comment on my plane....


Bloody hell...
When did that get there...?
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Xanixi wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Really, no comment on my plane....


Bloody hell...
When did that get there...?


It's been there since yesterday -_-
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Grand Britannia wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
Bloody hell...
When did that get there...?


It's been there since yesterday -_-


Apologies. It was near-on transparent to me...

Now that I look at it...
It -is- a wonder how your nation does not bankrupt itself with these. The programme cost ranges nearly twice the F-22 Raptor's.
And I'm not even accounting for the fact that your currency is more powerful than the USD...

Edit: Not really much of a comment, is it?
Apologies, again. I've got a few tasks tomorrow, and I'm more than worried about them.
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Grand Imperial Republic of Thedosia | Galactic Imperial Republic [FT]
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| Pop.: 508,191,116 | Area: 24.670.330 km2 | Demonym: Thedosian/Republic/Imperial |
| Military: 5,482,193 | GDP: US$32,842,135,458,524.96 | Lifespan: ~650 y/o |
Dr. Carl Sagan wrote:“They say astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”
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BTW, mates, I would appreciate some feed back on my news feed dispatches. I've made two and have a third prepared for a special event.
So...
Criticise!
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Dr. Carl Sagan wrote:“They say astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”
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Postby Grand Britannia » Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:28 pm

Xanixi wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
It's been there since yesterday -_-


Apologies. It was near-on transparent to me...

Now that I look at it...
It -is- a wonder how your nation does not bankrupt itself with these. The programme cost ranges nearly twice the F-22 Raptor's.
And I'm not even accounting for the fact that your currency is more powerful than the USD...

Edit: Not really much of a comment, is it?
Apologies, again. I've got a few tasks tomorrow, and I'm more than worried about them.


I'll someday get to fixing the estimates. I was more looking for criticism of wank.
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Postby Altaiire » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:50 pm

Xanixi wrote:
Altaiire wrote:
Altair sees the Coalition as a military and economic pact. It will resist any moves to create an overarching inter-Coalition political system.


Oi. Perhaps a nuke would make you stop being difficult?
*holds knife threateningly*
Hm...

Letsget@Seriousnote.edu
Edit: ^See that? See how NS thinks it's a real electronic address?
Yeah, I'm that kickass.

The Coalition, at its most primitive, -is- merely just a military and economic pact. This is the first true political legislation to be passed, as I have yet to create inter-Coalition passports
:p

How could I possibly convince the Altarian populace that accepting a political agreement with the Coalition of Steel would be most handy for them?

I guess I'm also a bit nervous that - should this seriously become of use - the Altarian Empire would be uncooperative. I do believe that we need to reorganise ourselves, or we'll face a deadly crisis the first moment we need to judge a leader.

Honestly, I understand the nationalism (hello insurgency @ Olmatur), but if a Coalition force goes to capture the leader, Altair isn't the one to try them because their soldier got hands first. It goes to the ICCJ. That's the purpose of the resolution.

Is there really no way I can get Altair to agree to the resolution (without the disintegration of the ICCJ) before it becomes established as Coalition Law?


It's not likely. The factors of trust, tradition, and obligation all combine to make Altair reluctant to forfeit Eternity's ability to judge those responsible for Edict-breaking crimes.
For both IC and OoC, please refer to me as the Altarian Empire, or Altair in short form. The demonym is Altarian(s.)
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