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[The Republic of Lanos]

Perhaps a rogue Vorradian terrorist pissed off by the new democratic Vorradia, emigrates to pony nation and obtains their weapons of mass destruction? Threat of total annihilation is good for bringing nations back together for mutual protection.

Well, of course, Lanos and I are the awkwards from other regions... so we'll think of something... besides, IC-ly, i've seemingly pissed off all major nations here...

I think my Lunar Israel storyline will throw more of a wrench into things. Now if Ctan/Luna were to post...

[Urmanian]

Lanos, stop scaremongering.

Perhaps a rogue Vorradian terrorist pissed off by the new democratic Vorradia, emigrates to pony nation and obtains their weapons of mass destruction? Threat of total annihilation is good for bringing nations back together for mutual protection.

Welcome back , and totally legal WMD markets of the Greater Pony Herd await you!

[YellowApple]

Especially since many nations here are specifically protected by at least one of two major space-faring, god-like, Future-Tech nations.

Yeah... if we were to do such an RP, we would have to cut off all outside allies...

Or just find some anti-pony FT players to balance things out.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Yeah... if we were to do such an RP, we would have to cut off all outside allies...

Or just find some anti-pony FT players to balance things out.

Didn't we try that with Gholgoth before they gave up?

[Urmanian]

Didn't we try that with Gholgoth before they gave up?

Gholgoth...isn't FT. Well, at least the majority, and the players we were pitted against certainly weren't

Or just find some anti-pony FT players to balance things out.

Or C'tan and Menelmacar could just not get involved for the sake of roleplay. Like, you know, really sensible and understanding people they are, not the scary orbital bombardment-happy powergamers you all seem to imagine them as.

[Vorradia]

Didn't we try that with Gholgoth before they gave up?

Gholgoth...isn't FT. Well, at least the majority, and the players we were pitted against certainly weren't

Or just find some anti-pony FT players to balance things out.

Or C'tan and Menelmacar could just not get involved for the sake of roleplay. Like, you know, really sensible and understanding people they are, not the scary orbital bombardment-happy powergamers you all seem to imagine them as.

I remember from the war C'tan seemed to have some sort of godlike superiority over everyone else, and it was never really questioned.

[Vorradia]

The problem is that every nation says it has some magnificent Royal Imperial Army that is the bane of the entire world, and has survived insurmountable odds and prevailed for centuries.

But then so does everyone else, and suddenly your impossibly powerful grand conquering army is just one out of several thousand and the only way to gain any real superiority is to become like the C'tan, even more ludicrously superior and perfect.

[Maltropia]

The problem is that every nation says it has some magnificent Royal Imperial Army that is the bane of the entire world, and has survived insurmountable odds and prevailed for centuries.

Yeah, but mine actually is.

[Crystal Spires]

Bah, I play a Second World Nation with real problems. More interesting things happen in Crystal Spires for it. Being HORAAAAH Powerful just makes nations boring, or incapable of becoming a setting where interesting things happen.

[Saurisisia]

I myself am practically the odd man (Dino?) out in this RP group. Still, I think my nation's quite interesting overall.

[Urmanian]

Yeah, but mine actually is.

nope, mine is conquerer

bitch

And actually that is a fairly broad generalization Vorradia, indeed, most people around NS do play US-like first world nations or rawr-fascist tyrannies with overbloated militaries, but there are exceptions, and there is power balance, especially in closely-knit RP communities where the balance of power and relations between nations can be developed.

C'tan's godlike superiority was accepted because well...he is Antiquity, he is future-tech, he was allowed to join the thread and there was no qualms with it back then. It's simple to just say, no this thread is MT-only, but C'tan is an accepted and respected member of our RP community and so far there were few problems with his presence.

Being HORAAAAH Powerful just makes nations boring, or incapable of becoming a setting where interesting things happen.

This is also a massive overgeneralization as I have repeatedly stated before. Playing a disadvantaged nation does make for a more favorable setting for drama, yes, but saying that powerful nations are inherently boring and are incapable of being a setting for anything interesting is frankly insulting to people who have been playing strong nations and have put time and effort in developing them.

There is a literally infinite quantity of scenarios one can make up and only a few of them can only happen in a third-world-craphole setting.

[Crystal Spires]

I do not think so, MS. This may be just an opinion, but there isn't much of a chance for conflict to escalate when your nation is super powerful. Even on a small scale there is a better chance of having interesting things happen when there's unbalance in the setting. If the setting itself is completely balanced there isn't much room for conflict to occur.

[Lubyak]

I do not think so, MS. This may be just an opinion, but there isn't much of a chance for conflict to escalate when your nation is super powerful. Even on a small scale there is a better chance of having interesting things happen when there's unbalance in the setting. If the setting itself is completely balanced there isn't much room for conflict to occur.

Just like how the modern world has no conflict in it despite posessing one hyperpower.

[Crystal Spires]

Just like how the modern world has no conflict in it despite posessing one hyperpower.

Notice how the conflict isn't in the hyperpower, it is taking place elsewhere. It is Iraq and Afghanistan that are being blown to pieces, not Washington DC.

I can vouch for this personally.

[Lubyak]

Just like how the modern world has no conflict in it despite posessing one hyperpower.

Notice how the conflict isn't in the hyperpower, it is taking place elsewhere. It is Iraq and Afghanistan that are being blown to pieces, not Washington DC.

I can vouch for this personally.

And there is no conflict taking place within the hyperpower. Yes, siree, there are no such thing as economic or politicals debates, crime, corruption or any other form of conflict within the United States, beause being a hyperpower eliminates all conflict. Yup. THat's how it works.

Turning off the sarcasm, it is entirerly possible to roleplay a major power that is just as interesting as a Third World state that can barely keep its infrastructure running. You don't have to artificially limit a nation to make it interesting. The main reason it seems that the 'massive superpower state' is so boring is that so many players go for that and don't build anything else around it. Most players in CoPS who lay claim to the title of 'major power' do have much more around their state than just, 'zomg i has 20 million soldiers and a 15 triillion dollar GDP'.

[The Ctan]

Gholgoth...isn't FT. Well, at least the majority, and the players we were pitted against certainly weren't



Or C'tan and Menelmacar could just not get involved for the sake of roleplay. Like, you know, really sensible and understanding people they are, not the scary orbital bombardment-happy powergamers you all seem to imagine them as.

I remember from the war C'tan seemed to have some sort of godlike superiority over everyone else, and it was never really questioned.

That's not a Tech thing. I've a sixteen billion MT nation that could also trample everything in cops with impunity too.

[Urmanian]

And there is no conflict taking place within the hyperpower. Yes, siree, there are no such thing as economic or politicals debates, crime, corruption or any other form of conflict within the United States, beause being a hyperpower eliminates all conflict. Yup. THat's how it works.

but...the U.S. is pure and incorruptible. right? right?! D:

[Discordant Schism]

I'm... Definitely not a superpower.

[Licana]

I remember from the war C'tan seemed to have some sort of godlike superiority over everyone else, and it was never really questioned.

That's not a Tech thing. I've a sixteen billion MT nation that could also trample everything in cops with impunity too.

Except not really. :/

A invasion of the entire region, while certainly possible with those kind of numbers, are likely to suffer some fairly severe losses in return. This is not impunity, as a complete victory is not certain (likely, but not certain). The tech difference, however, changes this drastically.

[The Ctan]

That's not a Tech thing. I've a sixteen billion MT nation that could also trample everything in cops with impunity too.

Except not really. :/

A invasion of the entire region, while certainly possible with those kind of numbers, are likely to suffer some fairly severe losses in return. This is not impunity, as a complete victory is not certain (likely, but not certain). The tech difference, however, changes this drastically.

And C'tan has threatened to invade the entire Pony Lands region when? The context is pretty obviously the Vorradian war "everything in cops" in such a context obviously means "everything that comes up as a challenge in COPS RP" not "Every nation in the alliance"

C'tan couldn't defeat all of COPS either. How the fuck would I manage to keep up with the posts?

To elaborate from the IRC:

<Kour> Is C'tan
<Kour> can win in a single post, likely
<@Ranisath> Any Noob can defeat anything.
<@Ranisath> In one post.
<@Ranisath> RPing it credibly is utterly different.
<@Ranisath> [REDACTED] could write one post about how he destroys C'tan and COPS and just for good measure eats everything in Turtleshroom in one hilarious montage.
<@Ranisath> No one would give a s**t though.

For most COPS RPs, the difference between C'tan and a large MT antiquity is not really that evident.

If you don't want me involved in a thread (which until someone pointed me at this discussion, I'd not noticed) the simple answer is to Y'know, not have me in the thread. It's a game folks; five hundred million dead Spireans can attest to the fact that I don't go around saving the day in threads that people don't invite me to...

[Licana]

And C'tan has threatened to invade the entire Pony Lands region when?

hypothetical discussion about 16 billion pop MT and FT nations is hypothetical.

idk where you decided I was talking about the C'tan.

"everything in cops" in such a context obviously means "everything that comes up as a challenge in COPS RP" not "Every nation in the alliance"

I took this into account. It would still be difficult to do with an MT nation of such a population, victory would still not be certain. Thus, not a "smash with impunity" scenario.

C'tan couldn't defeat all of COPS either. How the fuck would I manage to keep up with the posts?

you could keep up with mine.

To elaborate from the IRC:
<Kour> Is C'tan
<Kour> can win in a single post, likely
<@Ranisath> Any Noob can defeat anything.
<@Ranisath> In one post.
<@Ranisath> RPing it credibly is utterly different.
<@Ranisath> [REDACTED] could write one post about how he destroys C'tan and COPS and just for good measure eats everything in Turtleshroom in one hilarious montage.
<@Ranisath> No one would give a s**t though.

Of course, but these are OOC points being referenced on a discussion related to IC power. They are, thus, irrelevant.

For most COPS RPs, the difference between C'tan and a large MT antiquity is not really that evident.

Except for the simple fact that large MT antiquity nations are still limited in what they can accomplish. On their own, attacking an entire region is, while still possible, would provide a challenge that could match them. If this was a group of two or three antiquity nations, sure. But a single one? I'm not convinced they could do this without a significant hammering to the invading force. I'm not sure I could say the same thing for an equivalent sized FT nation.

If you don't want me involved in a thread (which until someone pointed me at this discussion, I'd not noticed) the simple answer is to Y'know, not have me in the thread. It's a game folks; five hundred million dead Spireans can attest to the fact that I don't go around saving the day in threads that people don't invite me to...

No one (well, not me) is stating a distaste for your involvement. I am stating that, from an IC perspective, an invasion from an antiquity sized MT nation and an antiquity sized FT nation are not as similar as you seemed to imply them being.

[Lykosia]

And speaking about the "major power" claim, honestly I prefer to claim myself as an emerging power. Whether I'm a major power in the alliance/PL region or not, it's up to the other nations to answer the question.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I have no idea what I am. Probably going to remain that way for a while.

[Saurisisia]

I have no idea what I am. Probably going to remain that way for a while.

Me neither. I'm just assuming I'm a normal (or at least average) power within the group.

[Urmanian]

of course, the best (and only) way to assert yourselves as PL powers is to roleplay in PL