LUNA

[Crystal Spires]

OOC: Then let's keep debating about it of course!

[Canteron]

     For member:
Nation Name Full: The Empire of Canteron
National Leader: Opal Moon
Government Style: Social Democracy
Government Category: Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Silver Belle
What % of population are fascists: <1%
Will you help the LUNA in Missions yes/no: Yes

[Crystal Spires]

Maven calmly took a deep breath as he normally did to calm himself, as he looked at the New Freedomstani delegate. "Marx himself never actually said that the socialist revolution had to be violent. In fact he has said quite the contrary. His words were, 'But we have not asserted that the ways to achieve that goal are everywhere the same. You know that the institutions, morals, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries… where workers can attain their goal by peaceful means.' and such countries would be those where the power transfer from the bourgeoisie to the proletariat are peaceful. It is also more effective for civil resistance to oppose entrenched authoritarian regimes whereas the use of force often is met with violent and horrific struggles that often end terribly for the Vanguard, ending all chance of revolution in that nation."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of the Beastling States of Crystal Spires

[New Freedomstan]

"Marxism is about a great social upheavel, spelling the end of private property, family and the state itself. That is not harmonious, it is pretty much the antithesis of harmony. And if I may quote the end of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it reads 'The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.' That does not promote harmony, pacifism or kindness. An overthrow of the existing conditions by force is bound to turn violent, as the bourgeoisie as a whole does not just give up their power. Ponyism threatens the revolution just as much as fascism does. And peaceful civil resistance did not spell the end of the Tsarist monarchy, it did not spell the end of Nazi Germany and it did not spell the end of the Batista dictatorship."

[Crystal Spires]

"On the contrary, and this is why Marxism is so deeply misunderstood, and in the same section of 'April Guidelines', and also in 'On Slogans' that there are many ways for a completely peaceful revolution to succeed and in the respects of the social revolution and to protect the interests of the vanguard, it would be ideal. The blood shed by the revolutionaries is irreplaceable and peaceful revolution ensures the preservation of life and the preservation of the revolution itself without falling into the pitfalls of becoming a mere reformist. The means of a socialist revolutions can be violent, and can peaceful, but the one that protects the revolution and keeps the revolution alive in the hearts of the people, and the one that spreads to every man is not the violent upheaval, but the peaceful transfer of power."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of the Beastling States of Crystal Spires

[Capisaria]

But the humane treatment of animals is humane...they aren't human. Any species that is sentient is equal to that of a human.

[Capisaria]

"Marxism is about a great social upheavel, spelling the end of private property, family and the state itself. That is not harmonious, it is pretty much the antithesis of harmony. And if I may quote the end of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it reads 'The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.' That does not promote harmony, pacifism or kindness. An overthrow of the existing conditions by force is bound to turn violent, as the bourgeoisie as a whole does not just give up their power. Ponyism threatens the revolution just as much as fascism does. And peaceful civil resistance did not spell the end of the Tsarist monarchy, it did not spell the end of Nazi Germany and it did not spell the end of the Batista dictatorship."

In what way does Ponyism threaten that?! Many Pony nations are leftist. Many are pacifist, many just want to be left alone!! The ones that are the source are the rightwing and/or fascist ones. Hippostania is among them, but they are no more a threat than a non-pony fascist. Also, in no way is the overthrow of the ruling class mean it has to be violent.

[Dukopolious]

[Sorry for interupting]

This is very interesting. Perhaps one day I'll apply for membership. Until then being an observer would be excelent. I am looking forward to participating in LUNA, unless the application is denied of course.

For Observers:
Nation Full Name:The Stratocracy of Dukopolious
National Leader:TBA within the month.[Civil War]
Government Style:Stratocratic.
Government Category:CCS
Minister of Foreign Affairs:[see "National Leader"]
Are you a Legitimate Leftist Nation (see in charter what are those):By WA Clasification, No. By classification of Dukopolious, along with many other nations, yes.
Do you have any fascist/nazi parties:No. (no parties what-so-ever)
Will you help LUNA on Missions:Probable, but fully dependant on the mission.

Fell free to ask any questions. after my civil war, it will be updated in all TBA categories.

[Lauruccia]

Canteron and Dukopolious are in

[Canteron]

Canteron and Dukopolious are in

Thank you, Lauruccia.

[Canteron]

"Marxism is about a great social upheavel, spelling the end of private property, family and the state itself. That is not harmonious, it is pretty much the antithesis of harmony. And if I may quote the end of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it reads 'The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.' That does not promote harmony, pacifism or kindness. An overthrow of the existing conditions by force is bound to turn violent, as the bourgeoisie as a whole does not just give up their power. Ponyism threatens the revolution just as much as fascism does. And peaceful civil resistance did not spell the end of the Tsarist monarchy, it did not spell the end of Nazi Germany and it did not spell the end of the Batista dictatorship."

In what way does Ponyism threaten that?! Many Pony nations are leftist. Many are pacifist, many just want to be left alone!! The ones that are the source are the rightwing and/or fascist ones. Hippostania is among them, but they are no more a threat than a non-pony fascist. Also, in no way is the overthrow of the ruling class mean it has to be violent.

Many ponies are leftist by nature. Canteron, for instance, was founded on leftist principles. Humans are the ones who veer towards capitalism, while ponies are naturally collectivist.

[Greater Mackonia]

A smallish Mack(Monitor lizard ethnicity) Wearing a navy blue Uniform with a single medal entered the room he sat down and began to speak."Comrades i am aware that we have currently been debating the rights of ponies ....."Well let me share some facts about ponies to you lets start with the fact that they WORSHIP two DESPOTS this is against all principals of socialism it is a disgrace to modern governments as most people gave up the idea of despot worship in the classical era. The Mack's anger was growing now and he was beginning to pace."Did you by any chance know that ponies have not only waged a terror campaign and are now invading our great nation.....and just to truly embrace the spirit of peace they HAVE ADVOCATED THE MURDER OF EVERY SINGLE MACKONIAN! the mack shouted the last words so loudly they rang out across the hall There was more to come...

[Dukopolious]

Canteron and Dukopolious are in

Thank you. I wont be ICly joining in as technically, only 0.01% of my nation's population is currently outside of Dukopolious, and they are all civilians so it would make no sence for me to have a diplomat at LUNA, but as soon as the civil war is over, one will be sent.

[Ruffnekia]

"Marxism is about a great social upheavel, spelling the end of private property, family and the state itself. That is not harmonious, it is pretty much the antithesis of harmony. And if I may quote the end of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it reads 'The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.' That does not promote harmony, pacifism or kindness. An overthrow of the existing conditions by force is bound to turn violent, as the bourgeoisie as a whole does not just give up their power. Ponyism threatens the revolution just as much as fascism does. And peaceful civil resistance did not spell the end of the Tsarist monarchy, it did not spell the end of Nazi Germany and it did not spell the end of the Batista dictatorship."

you have our full support and we will stick to the traditional rule of LUNA instead of the liberalist rules of the current LUNA

[Salvarity]

"Marxism is about a great social upheavel, spelling the end of private property, family and the state itself. That is not harmonious, it is pretty much the antithesis of harmony. And if I may quote the end of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, it reads 'The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.' That does not promote harmony, pacifism or kindness. An overthrow of the existing conditions by force is bound to turn violent, as the bourgeoisie as a whole does not just give up their power. Ponyism threatens the revolution just as much as fascism does. And peaceful civil resistance did not spell the end of the Tsarist monarchy, it did not spell the end of Nazi Germany and it did not spell the end of the Batista dictatorship."

you have our full support and we will stick to the traditional rule of LUNA instead of the liberalist rules of the current LUNA

LUNA says you should be Leftist Also. Are you Leftist. Imperialism is Rightism

[Ruffnekia]

with all legislation being very far left

[Bionui]

For member:
Nation Name Full:The Federated States
National Leader:The Turaga Council
Government Style:Con/Federation
Government Category:Civil Rights lovefest
Minister of Foreign Affairs:Turaga Council (Mainly Matau)
What % of population are fascists:none, unless you count the shadowed ones, but they ar enot accepted citizens due to their genocidal and facist ideals.
Will you help the LUNA in Missions yes/no:yes

[New Freedomstan]

you have our full support and we will stick to the traditional rule of LUNA instead of the liberalist rules of the current LUNA

LUNA says you should be Leftist Also. Are you Leftist. Imperialism is Rightism

Leftism is not the same as liberalism, comrade. Socialism is about the advancement of the proletariat over the bourgeois dogs which rules the vast majority of the world today. To end this social dictatorship of one class over the others, one must employ militant means. For a democratic or peaceful outgrowth of socialism to appear is impossible in the vast majority of the world, although where it is a possiblity a peaceful transition should of course be advocated. But, and this is a large but, where it is impossible to transition to socialism and rule by the Working Classes peacefully, one must advocate for it violently. Ponyism outright denies such means, and therefore is hostile to working class interests and to History itself as it postpones our inevitable transition into Socialism and then into Communism.

[Capisaria]

"To call Ponyism a political ideology is ignorant. Ponyism is not dependent of Capitalism. Ponyism is simply the advocacy of ponies. Despite this, we still have the threat of Capitalist states. Some are ponies, some are human. Some states are fascists, some are not. But LUNA is against Fascism. Not Capitalism. However, the two often are associated with each other. But we ourselves are considered fascists among many Capitalist nations. It matters who is saying the other is fascist. We need a definition of Fascism" said Jean-Pierre.

[Lauruccia]

"The stance on fascism of The Lauruccian Parliament is that fascism is every kind of totalitarianism, fascism, nationalism, chauvinism and extremism is definitely fascism. Fascism, as political ideology, is divided to a lot of sub-ideologies. We fight oppression and inequality. By fighting those we fight fascism too because oppression and inequality ARE fascism. Fascism can be left-wing but also right-wing. So, The New LUNA is not fighting right-wing but fascism, be it left, be it right or be it centre!" Stefan Ivanović, The Parliament Official claims.

[Lauruccia]

Bionui is in

[Greater Mackonia]

"To call Ponyism a political ideology is ignorant. Ponyism is not dependent of Capitalism. Ponyism is simply the advocacy of ponies. Despite this, we still have the threat of Capitalist states. Some are ponies, some are human. Some states are fascists, some are not. But LUNA is against Fascism. Not Capitalism. However, the two often are associated with each other. But we ourselves are considered fascists among many Capitalist nations. It matters who is saying the other is fascist. We need a definition of Fascism" said Jean-Pierre.

"But ponyism is a political ideology comrade " said sikasith beginning to calm down ."Ponyists have declared ponyism as an ideology as well as a religion that ideology is very similar to fascism ..."It uses these "Elements of harmony" as a front to disguise it from the capitalistic and fascist ideals it embraces for example.Ponyism is the only religion (Apart from certain domains of Judaism) that is species specific which proves it has no respect for human powers".Sikasith now turned to Maven "Comrade you accuse us of having fascist tendencies but if you consider us fascist how can you not see ponyism as fascist .They show all of the tendencies which you pointed out to us such as Giving their people a sense of unification through the adoration of Luna and Celestia. As a way to justify their dictatorship all opposition is crushed (P ponyr as an example) these are just some examples of fascist ideals embrace by ponyism. Sikasith stopped and took and looked at maven

[Ruffnekia]

The Empire will continue its anti-ponyist policies to keep our nation free from this political and religious scourge that threatens my nations future. As we already have sanctions against ponyist nation we will if must extend these to ponyist sympathisers. The Emperor is also currently in parliament to an act past that we decide the future of the empire and if it will continue to support LUNA economically and militarily in the foreseen future.

New Freedomstan is not one of the nations on the list due to its strong anti ponyist stance. This alliance seems to be moving towards Pro-Ponyism and if it does measures will be taking to cut all diplomatic ties and see the expulsion of all LUNA memberstates citizens!

[Crystal Spires]

"Having a religion is in no way a discouragement of the Vanguard, and in fact it benefits us to USE Ponyism as a means to spread our socialist goals. It is as I said, ponyist belief systems are socialist if properly applied. Let me be 100% clear upon the definition of Fascism that you continue to fail to address. Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent. So frankly speaking there is nothing Fascist about Ponyism at all because toleration is a cornerstone of their belief system, and the use of force is frowned upon, the ideology is not static, and the worship of the regal sisters is not at all mandated by the masses, so it's absolutely not fascist."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

[Capisaria]

"Well I wouldn;t say the middle class...I would say when a handful of people...or one person. Also, just because Ponies have a species-specific religion doesn;t mean they should be killed or oppressed. It just means that they want to have their own special religion. Which as long as they try not to oppress other species of sentient intelligence, is fine."