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Anarchist Equines Manifesto

Postby Anarchist Equines » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:39 pm

The Equines of The Free Lands of Anarchist Equines release the following manifesto.

1. Anarchist Equines stand as a community of Equines, be they Earth, Pegasi or unicorn (as well as other magical and non-magical creatures and humans) who refute the need of centralized government (monarchy, theocracy, fascism, nazism, Stalinism, Representative Democracy, etc.) and advocate the principals of unenforced spontaneous and reciprocated cooperation.

2. This community stands in opposition to all forms of government or faith who see the individual merely as voter, subject, slave or follower. As such, although we are of the Equus Sapiens species, we are in opposition to the cult of the 'regal sisters' and 'ponyism'. The elements of harmony are unnecessary for the establishment of a moral and just society. Just as with Christian, Muslim or any other religious moral code: one does not need it to be moral. The values of friendship, loyalty, honesty, kindness, generosity and 'magic' are knowable to any sapient creature without appeal to the 'elements of harmony'. Furthermore, we recognize the regal sisters are mortal, flesh and blood creatures. Although they exert extremely powerful magical abilities, they are not gods nor are they to be worshipped as such. Theirs is a theocratic monarchy and, just as any system of government in which the few govern the many (however supposedly fairly), Anarchist Equines stands opposed to it.

3. These points made, the community is a peaceful one. We do not wish to engage in any conflict with fascits, nazist, stalinist, ponyist or other totalitarian nations or countries. We do not seek violence or bloodshed. However, if any of these nations or countries seeks to attack our community or seek to invade or 'liberate' it, we shall defend ourselves.

4. We invite all those Equines who no longer wish to live under oppressive and unjust government or with the continuous threat of religious or ideological persecution, to join our community. Here, all Equines are of equal value and contribute to the community as a whole. All resources are collected, grown and tended to by the same ponies and people who benefit from them. Individual betterment, education and scientific research are of top priority, along with healthcare, freedom of expression and the arts.

5. Lastly, although we are in essence a micro-community, if any international aid society should need medical supplies or healthcare experts, we are all too happy to share.


-- The Anarchist Equines
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Regarding the rise of the PFP and Extremist Ponyists meeting

Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:29 am

Anarchist Equines has released a second document, plastered onto the walls of every major city and available via the internet on every major subversive website.

Regarding the recent declaration from The PFP of Hamenia:

Hamenia wrote: [...] Ponyists for Ponyists its main goal, to to do the humans as they've done to us. Enslave the human race and treat them just like filthy disgusting animals, and once they get to old, they too will be thrown into the hot ovens.

What PFP supports and believes:

Freeing all ponyists from the human grip.
Ponyists are superior to any other species.
That humans none of them can be trusted.
Ponyists should rule the world and enslave the human race.


PFP does not follow the basic principals that other Ponyists believe in, why? Because that is how we ended up in this mess, we trusted the humans and look what they did to us, they slaughtered us and used us as food, Pony Burgers any one. We were outraged when we saw that advertised it renewed our hate for humans, and why they shouldn't ever be trusted. We feel pity for those of us who trust the humans with their lives, we know it will be only a matter of time before they are sent to their deaths fighting in a war that the humans want.
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Our main goal for now is to fill the humans with terror every time they hear the letters PFP, we will not stop until every one of them fears us to death, we will commit terrorism through out the world were Ponyists are being treated like animals, and we will terrorize those who sympathize with the humans and make them think twice who they can trust. We'll use false flag attacks to turn our fellow brothers and sisters against the human race that has effectively brainwashed them.


We the Anarchist Equines condemn the terrorist organization known as the PFP.
Although we recognize that there has been and still is cruelty towards equines and other sapient creatures perpetrated by humans, we deny that working with and trusting humans is a sign of moral failure or ignorance. Not all humans are cruel.
It seems to us that the only brainwashed ones are the members of the PFP: indoctrinated with the sad ideology of 'pony supremacy'.


The following is an encrypted message sent to the PFP by the founding member of the Extremist Ponyist States organization, which we successfully intercepted:

Urmanian wrote:
[ENCRYPTED]

Wonderful, simply wonderful! It brings tears of joy to my eyes to hear that equines all around the world finally begin to come to their senses and realize their place in the natural order, that being, naturally, guiding and educating the poor things that had the misfortune to be born of inferior species.

I sincerely wish your organization well and send your leader, whoever he or she is, a fruit basket that's enclosed with this letter. I also recognize the PFP as the legitimate government of Hamenia and I swear that I will do everything that's in my power to defend PFP from sub-pony imperialists such as Crystal Spires and Greater Mackonia.


-Morning Star, the Prime Minister of the Greater Pony Herd


Whereas the PFP of Hamenia have openly rejected any ties to the traditional doctrine of ponyism, the above secret message testifies that ponyist fundamentalist nations share their speciesism and supremacist delusion. For it is undeniably the result of any theocratic ideology that its adherents's minds be clouded by these delusions, believing their holy rite to 'liberate' or 'convert' those they deem inferior.

The Free Land of Anarchist Equines is proud of its human and equine relations, informed as they are by the scientific notion that there is no 'superior' race or species. Such a concept is pure outdated nonsense. We also warn the PFP or any other Extremist Ponyist nation/Coalition that if they ever choose to attack our community because of our stance on the matter, we shall defend ourselves.

Once again, we extend our invitation to any sapient creature who wishes to escape the oppression of government and religion. Just as not all humans are cruel and deceitful, not all equines are religious and imperialist fundamentalists.
Embrace freedom!

-- The Anarchist Equines

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Postby Princess Luna » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:49 am

To the Collective of Anarchist Equines,

As a point of fact, we should like to express our approval of some of what you say; one does not need to be a ponyist to be moral. There are countless civilizations that have never seen a pony who have arrived at developed and adequate systems of morality by their own insight. We cannot speak for our sister but would like to remind you that our own principality is governed by a constitutional democracy, not a theocracy. While obviously this may not be the arrangement you would institute, it is nonetheless not quite what you presume, though our sister does rule (fairly and justly) in a theocratic manner.

We are customarily vague on the matter of our divinity, so as to maximize freedom of choice, but as a point of fact we are not flesh and blood like any other pony, though we have no desire to be drawn into the details.

We certainly do not mandate the goals of the Ponyists for Ponyists organization, much as there are many humans who deserve punishment, they go far too far and are motivated by blind hatred rather than directed desire to defend their fellow ponies, we disapprove of this emphatically, and consider the ponies involved to be misguided and hope they have cause to reconsider their beliefs before they do anything unwise.

Of course, while we do not support everything that you say, we support your right to say it, and hope that, atheistic or not, you can remain on friendly terms with other ponies of goodwill.


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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:13 am

Princess Luna wrote:To the Collective of Anarchist Equines,
As a point of fact, we should like to express our approval of some of what you say; one does not need to be a ponyist to be moral. There are countless civilizations that have never seen a pony who have arrived at developed and adequate systems of morality by their own insight. We cannot speak for our sister but would like to remind you that our own principality is governed by a constitutional democracy, not a theocracy. While obviously this may not be the arrangement you would institute, it is nonetheless not quite what you presume, though our sister does rule (fairly and justly) in a theocratic manner.


We are pleased to hear that your country approaches levels of democracy.
Although, if we may add, we would hardly consider banishing our sister to the planet's natural satellite for a thousand years over a disagreement 'fair and just'.

Princess Luna wrote:We are customarily vague on the matter of our divinity, so as to maximize freedom of choice, but as a point of fact we are not flesh and blood like any other pony, though we have no desire to be drawn into the details.


Perhaps this customary vagueness only reinforces a Pascal's Wager-type fear, rather than a freedom of choice. Your people have a right to know exactly what type of being or beings rule them. Regardless of one's divinity, it is not enough for one to be worshipped. Even if the world has a creator - which we doubt - the lone fact that he or she had created the world would not be enough to cause spontaneous and unquestioning worship. One may love one's parents as a biological instinct, but by growing up into a rational being, one is able to make the decision of one's own free will, on the basis of the parent's performance. It may well be that your performance has been adequate enough for your people to accept your rule. Even so, we strongly advocate full disclosure unto them of your ontological nature.

Princess Luna wrote:We certainly do not mandate the goals of the Ponyists for Ponyists organization, much as there are many humans who deserve punishment, they go far too far and are motivated by blind hatred rather than directed desire to defend their fellow ponies, we disapprove of this emphatically, and consider the ponies involved to be misguided and hope they have cause to reconsider their beliefs before they do anything unwise.


We hope that talks shall be held between yourself and these nations, so that acts of terrorism can be averted.

Princess Luna wrote:Of course, while we do not support everything that you say, we support your right to say it, and hope that, atheistic or not, you can remain on friendly terms with other ponies of goodwill.


We have never suggested otherwise.
We thank Luna for expressing interest in our comments and engaging with us a non-aggressive manner of discourse.
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Postby Napunchinow » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:54 am

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Official Communique of the Unfederated Island of Napunchinow

Encryption Level: White

In behalf of the executive and administrative branches of Napunchinow, I, Brother Frosty the Spectre, officially state its recognition of this new territory and the nonexistence of its government.

Signed, B.F.S

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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:01 am

Napunchinow wrote:
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Official Communique of the Unfederated Island of Napunchinow

Encryption Level: White

In behalf of the executive and administrative branches of Napunchinow, I, Brother Frosty the Spectre, officially state its recognition of this new territory and the nonexistence of its government.

Signed, B.F.S


We thank The administration of The Unfederated Island for its recognition.
Should the Island need any medical/engineering/food supplies, you are welcome to ask and we shall do our best.
-- AE

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Postby Lord Discord (Ancient) » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:45 am

I endorse the Free Lands of Anarchist Equines. Ho-ho-ho-ho. Wholeheartedly.
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:02 am

Lord Discord wrote:
I endorse the Free Lands of Anarchist Equines. Ho-ho-ho-ho. Wholeheartedly.


We fail to understand why.
Firstly:
Anarchy = absence of centralized government. It is NOT synonymous with disorder and chaos.
Secondly:
Why would somebody who wishes to impose his dominion upon the world instead of somebody else's be interested in supporting a community who is against any kind of dominion whatsoever?

The Free Land of Anarchist Equines does not endorse chaos and disorder.
Therefore, your 'endorsement' is ill-reposed.

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Postby Lord Discord (Ancient) » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:10 am

Ahh, 'tis simple. You've betrayed your creators, you've betrayed the Elements, you, while of course claiming otherwise, have sown discord among ponykind, betraying you ilk. And, after all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend~

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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:20 am

Lord Discord wrote:
Ahh, 'tis simple. You've betrayed your creators, you've betrayed the Elements, you, while of course claiming otherwise, have sown discord among ponykind, betraying you ilk. And, after all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend~


What discord have we sown exactly? We have merely come together to form a peaceful community.
Some may wish to attack us, but whether or not they do so is of their choosing. We have in no way sought conflict.
And any invocation of our 'creator' or the so-called 'elements' is meaningless.
It is clear that you have little understanding of the purpose of our community and what it stands for.
If you paused to reflect for just a moment, you would realize that we are just as much your enemy as anybody else. You are just another totalitarian despot in endless pitiful conflict with other totalitarian despots. You claim to stand in opposition to ponyism and its doctrines, but share many of its characteristics: you are just as ridiculous as they are.
Now please leave us be and take your 'friendship' elsewhere, if you have nothing meaningful to discuss.
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Postby Raven » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:36 am

If you kill one single Ponyist-friend pony, we shall nuke you.
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:38 am

Raven wrote:If you kill one single Ponyist-friend pony, we shall nuke you.


We have no intention of killing anyone.
We have repeatedly stated that we are a peaceful community.
The manifesto merely has the purpose of declaring our existence to the world and hoping that it recognizes us.
If it does not, so be it. We seek no conflict.

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Postby Raven » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:41 am

Anarchist Equines wrote:
Raven wrote:If you kill one single Ponyist-friend pony, we shall nuke you.


We have no intention of killing anyone.
We have repeatedly stated that we are a peaceful community.
The manifesto merely has the purpose of declaring our existence to the world and hoping that it recognizes us.
If it does not, so be it. We seek no conflict.


As long as the WA don't outlaw anarchy, we recognize you as a sovereign state.
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:57 am

Raven wrote:
Anarchist Equines wrote:
We have no intention of killing anyone.
We have repeatedly stated that we are a peaceful community.
The manifesto merely has the purpose of declaring our existence to the world and hoping that it recognizes us.
If it does not, so be it. We seek no conflict.


As long as the WA don't outlaw anarchy, we recognize you as a sovereign state.


As long as you don't nuke us, that's fair enough :)

--AE

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Postby Crystal Spires » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:13 pm

To: the Anarchist Equines,
From:The Beastling States of Crystal Spires

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Friends and Comrades of Egalitarianism and Freedom,

We of Crystal Spires congratulate you for achieving a fully stateless society where coercion and ruler-ship is abandoned. We of Crystal Spires one day hope to live up to your example, but we instead choose to uphold our federalist collectives of autonomous communes known as the Beastling States and allow those communes to send their own elected representatives to Caltris where they make up the High Council. We understand that this is representative democracy, but it is what is best and feasible for our society, but know that we wish you well, and should you desire we wish to offer a free trade agreement, a pact of non-aggression and also an invitation to place an embassy in our honored nation.

In the name of Liberty and Justice,

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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:21 pm

Crystal Spires wrote:To: the Anarchist Equines,
From:The Beastling States of Crystal Spires

Friends and Comrades of Egalitarianism and Freedom,

We of Crystal Spires congratulate you for achieving a fully stateless society where coercion and ruler-ship is abandoned. We of Crystal Spires one day hope to live up to your example, but we instead choose to uphold our federalist collectives of autonomous communes known as the Beastling States and allow those communes to send their own elected representatives to Caltris where they make up the High Council. We understand that this is representative democracy, but it is what is best and feasible for our society, but know that we wish you well, and should you desire we wish to offer a free trade agreement, a pact of non-aggression and also an invitation to place an embassy in our honored nation.


To Crystal Spires,
Upon those rare occasions in which representative democracy works, as it seems to do in your country, it is certainly a positive way to run a society. We thank you wholeheartedly for your recognition and kind words.
We also happily accept your offered free trade agreement and non-aggression pact. We shall confer and get back to you soon regarding the embassy invitation.

--Anarchist Equines

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To: the Anarchist Equines,
From:The Beastling States of Crystal Spires

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Postby Princess Luna » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:51 pm

Anarchist Equines wrote:Although, if we may add, we would hardly consider banishing our sister to the planet's natural satellite for a thousand years over a disagreement 'fair and just'.


We apologize for our delay in replying, we were unsure whether to laugh or to cry at the suggestion that our banishment to the moon is evidence of our sister's supposed cruelty. She doesn't generally talk about those times, and we suppose it would be productive to educate you. It is an example of her compassion and love, not of any defects in her character, and we shall tell the story as it truly was in full here.

When we began to feel that we and our night were unappreciated, not as true as it seemed, in fact, we opened our heart to an evil I shall not name here, and were both enhanced by its power and driven insane by its evil. It was, in our madness, our intention to sweep away day and subject the ponies of Equestria to eternal night. Although our sister tried to reason with us that the ponies and other creatures of Equestria (save dragons only) could not survive such a thing, we insisted that they would have to endure and provide for themselves with magic, an unworkable proposition, as she was able to conclusively demonstrate, though we were to corrupted to see reason.

Celestia attempted to purge the corruption from us, but was unable to do so, and was left only with the option of banishing us beyond Equestria, for if she did not we would have murdered countless innocents. She could feasibly have cast us anywhere, and any number of far more secure locations than she chose, the heart of a neutron star, or the rings of a gas giant, could as easily have held our consciousness as the moon. Her choice of the moon was motivated by two things, firstly, it is the most comfortable location to us, not only our domain but also the least isolated, where we could observe the inhabitants of Equestria, in a limited way, and not suffer too terribly from isolation. Second, it was the easiest to escape from, and she was able to predict our release, and arrange for new bearers of the Elements of Harmony to successfully restore our sanity to us.

In doing so, she took a terrible risk with her own safety, and we were not kind to her when we believed we had returned in triumph. She also suffered terribly in loneliness throughout the centuries we were imprisoned, far more so than we did.

Had she been the callous tyrant her opponents paint her as, even if she had accepted the need to imprison us out of self-interest, she could have simply done so by casting us beyond the limits of thought and proceeding with her life, instead of imprisoning us such that she would be reminded of us every day, a shard of ice grinding in her heart terribly, something that, at the time, in our madness, to our shame we enjoyed observing.

We would far rather be imprisoned again than we would bear the guilt of imprisoning our sister, and we know that Celestia felt much the same, but acted purely out of a desire to safeguard those weaker than the Nightmare Moon that we had become, for we had never until that time threatened her. Our imprisonment was something we accept as entirely justified and support absolutely.

We can imagine no more humane response to our madness than that our beloved sister devised.


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Postby Anarchist Equines » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:02 pm

We thank Luna for elaborating on the conditions of her exile.
We were perhaps overly zealous with our use of words: we did not mean to say Celestia was cruel, per se, just that, from our limited point of view, her actions could have been fairer and more just. However, given the circumstances that you have described, we understand why what was done was done. We apologize for causing you emotional distress.

Perhaps we should make a point here that, whilst we no longer recognize yourself and your sister as our gods or sovereigns, we nonetheless acknowledge you as individuals worthy of respect.

Thank you again for your politeness and for elucidating on the subject.
-- AE

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Postby Enatai » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:39 pm

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REGARDING ANY & ALL ANARCHIST EQUINES in the BRONY KINGDOM of ENATAI


Under Enataian law, may it be reiterated that any sapient engaging in peaceful protest or demonstration in the name of any political party will be tolerated and defended as citizens voicing their opinions, and shall be subject to full protection under Royal Enataian Law. Anyone found to be censoring them by any means without proper warrant (usually involving vandalism, ie illegal graffiti on private property) shall be arrested and tried for obstruction of freedom, with a penalty dependent upon the extent of the censorship. Political parties are all fully legal within the confines of the Enataian Empire including the Brony Kingdom of Enatai proper as well as the Enataian Colony of Shota Island.

Any sapient found engaging in an attempted overthrow of the government or engaging in any form of violent action against the Alexandrian house not including violent political protest (which is a different crime altogether) with a clear intent to inflict serious harm or a clear intent to obstruct the current political system, be that sapient Enataian or not, shall be charged with the crime of aggression against a system of freedoms, and shall be tried accordingly.

The Brony Kingdom of Enatai would like to remind all whom it may concern that its current monarchy is in place as the direct result of democracy and mob rule overtly threatening the freedoms of its citizens. It would be incorrect to suggest that the Brony Kingdom of Enatai is a tyranny, far from it. King Alexander has made it a point of national pride that as many things are legal and as many freedoms are given as are possible without granting the freedom to do harm to others (harm here defined as things to others which were not consented to, such as the most heinous and deplorable crimes of rape, murder, molestation, kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture of an unwilling victim, etc, all of which are subject to life imprisonment and possibly death). King Alexander himself has made it known that the writers and followers of the "Anarchist Equines Manifesto" are all welcome in Enatai to do as they see fit, in any way, shape, or form they see fit, so long as it fits within the parameters of consent, as well as certain laws intended to protect infrastructure (no sex in the middle of a freeway, please) and the environment (just because the forest doesn't say 'no' doesn't mean you can start logging old-growth forest, or any forest for that matter, at least not without severe taxation and subjection to official inquiry). Please, feel free to express yourselves, but please do be aware that Enatai's people and their rights shall be defended by the Alexandrian House and its rule so long as the Alexandrian House exists, by decree of King Alexander himself, and included by His Royal Highness and Broniness in his Royal Constitution, so as to ensure royal benevolence in all possible cases.

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Postby Anarchist Equines » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:17 am

We thank King Alexander for his interest and assure him that it is highly unlikely that there are any anarchists in his kingdom.
Nonetheless, we are pleased to hear that, should there be any, they won't be nuked on sight :)
This point, however:

Enatai wrote:King Alexander has made it a point of national pride that as many things are legal and as many freedoms are given as are possible without granting the freedom to do harm to others (harm here defined as things to others which were not consented to, such as the most heinous and deplorable crimes of rape, murder, molestation, kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture of an unwilling victim, etc, all of which are subject to life imprisonment and possibly death).


This is merely our impression, but it seems as if the government is allowed power over life and death, whereas the people are not. It seems fair, at least to us, that either everyone has that right, or none at all. After all, if the state murders the murderer, doesn't that just make two murderers? Of course, we note that King Alexander has stated 'possibly', so it is obviously a rare occurrence. Nonetheless, we hope the death penalty eventually becomes a thing of the past in Enatai, and that more attempts at criminal rehabilitation are made. This is merely our humble suggestion.
We thank you again for your show of interest and recognition.

-- Anarchist Equines

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Postby Enatai » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:40 am

Anarchist Equines wrote:We thank King Alexander for his interest and assure him that it is highly unlikely that there are any anarchists in his kingdom.
Nonetheless, we are pleased to hear that, should there be any, they won't be nuked on sight :)
This point, however:

Enatai wrote:King Alexander has made it a point of national pride that as many things are legal and as many freedoms are given as are possible without granting the freedom to do harm to others (harm here defined as things to others which were not consented to, such as the most heinous and deplorable crimes of rape, murder, molestation, kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture of an unwilling victim, etc, all of which are subject to life imprisonment and possibly death).


This is merely our impression, but it seems as if the government is allowed power over life and death, whereas the people are not. It seems fair, at least to us, that either everyone has that right, or none at all. After all, if the state murders the murderer, doesn't that just make two murderers? Of course, we note that King Alexander has stated 'possibly', so it is obviously a rare occurrence. Nonetheless, we hope the death penalty eventually becomes a thing of the past in Enatai, and that more attempts at criminal rehabilitation are made. This is merely our humble suggestion.
We thank you again for your show of interest and recognition.

-- Anarchist Equines


What an excellent inquiry! Allow us to explain. The state actually has power over... well, theoretically just about anything it decides to have power over. King Alexander is an absolute monarch, and we do mean absolute. If he wanted to, he could demand just about anything, and under the current system, his word is law. It's just that he so far has used that power to solidify people's rights and make a whole lot of stuff legal, if perhaps regulated sometimes to ensure safety (prostitution, for example, or the sale of hard drugs such as heroin or methamphetamine). Even the constitution at this point is basically a list he wrote up to explain to those around him why he does what he does, since it only comes into effect if and when he stops being king. So far he's been ruling for quite some time, just over fifty years now, and he was in his mid-twenties when he took power. He still appears like and acts like he's in his mid-twenties. We chalk it up to unicorn magic most of the time. The point is that the system works. But back to your main concern, which is capital punishment: King Alexander dislikes killing. The only time when capital punishment is the go-to option is when the criminal in question would present a clear and unmistakable threat to the nation if exiled or deported, and has performed acts of a nature so heinous that keeping him alive would be a betrayal of the trust of the taxpayers who would otherwise pay for his existence. For example, if you do something really really horrible, and I mean really excruciatingly bad, if you're John Wayne Gacy, Jr. and the Oklahoma City Bomber and Charles Manson all wrapped up into one monstrous package, yes, we will probably execute you. But if we can help it, we'd really rather exile you. Or, if we can even help that, then we'd really rather rehabilitate you and turn you into a happy, healthy member of society again, ready to go back out and enjoy life and not do all sorts of horrible nasty things to people. It's just that if all the evidence points towards you being basically a permanent threat, even in exile, well that just won't do, and it would be irresponsible of us as the state to let such a person loose.

So the system looks something like this (with examples):
Petty crime (Petty theft, minor vandalism): Fines and/or community service
Minor crime (minor fistfighting, harrassment): Fines and/or short imprisonment
Crime (assault, serious vandalism, grand theft): Fines and/or long imprisonment
Serious Crime (Rape, molestation, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, acting with the intent to perform heinous criminal acts): Long imprisonment, potential exile depending on how serious it was.
Heinous Crime (Murder, serial rape, kidnapping, torture): Likely exile, potentially rehabilitation if there is very strong reason to believe rehabilitation would produce satisfactory rsults.
Crimes Against Humanity (Bombing, terrorism, mass murder): Capital punishment
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:05 am

Enatai wrote:The state actually has power over... well, theoretically just about anything it decides to have power over. King Alexander is an absolute monarch, and we do mean absolute. If he wanted to, he could demand just about anything, and under the current system, his word is law. It's just that he so far has used that power to solidify people's rights and make a whole lot of stuff legal, if perhaps regulated sometimes to ensure safety (prostitution, for example, or the sale of hard drugs such as heroin or methamphetamine). Even the constitution at this point is basically a list he wrote up to explain to those around him why he does what he does, since it only comes into effect if and when he stops being king. So far he's been ruling for quite some time, just over fifty years now, and he was in his mid-twenties when he took power. He still appears like and acts like he's in his mid-twenties. We chalk it up to unicorn magic most of the time. The point is that the system works.


It may indeed work. For now.
The point is that having an absolute monarch who could demand practically anything of his people puts his people and their freedoms at constant risk. What if he were to change his mind, or lose it altogether? Where could the people of your kingdom turn to if all law and order and power rested in the hands of one[i] single individual and that individual no longer cared for their interests? We feel that it is too great a risk.

Enatai wrote:But back to your main concern, which is capital punishment: King Alexander dislikes killing. The only time when capital punishment is the go-to option is when the criminal in question would present a clear and unmistakable threat to the nation if exiled or deported, [i]and has performed acts of a nature so heinous that keeping him alive would be a betrayal of the trust of the taxpayers who would otherwise pay for his existence.


We find this kind of reasoning particularly chilling. Your people would willingly accept the state murdering someone, who, regardless of how heinous their crimes, was still a human being, in order to save money? Let us face facts: as long as their taxes are not being used to give said criminal a cushy bed or five star hotel suite, we find it hard to believe that they would have such qualms over paying for simple detainment.
This aside, the problem regarding the cost of rehabilitation vanishes as soon as you remove the concept of the state and replace with a system of independent communities. Basically, removing the concept of government taxes altogether. Of course, we realize, however, that this is pretty hard to do, especially from a monarchic status quo. So, onto the last point:

Enatai wrote:For example, if you do something really really horrible, and I mean really excruciatingly bad, if you're John Wayne Gacy, Jr. and the Oklahoma City Bomber and Charles Manson all wrapped up into one monstrous package, yes, we will probably execute you. But if we can help it, we'd really rather exile you. Or, if we can even help that, then we'd really rather rehabilitate you and turn you into a happy, healthy member of society again, ready to go back out and enjoy life and not do all sorts of horrible nasty things to people. It's just that if all the evidence points towards you being basically a permanent threat, even in exile, well that just won't do, and it would be irresponsible of us as the state to let such a person loose.


It seems, to us at least, that in most cases - even ones of heinous crimes against humanity - trying to deter crime with threats of exile or death never solves the problem. It never tackles the roots, but only the symptoms - and badly at that.

Consider those individuals who simply lack development in those areas of the brain which regulate empathy and moral motivation. The so-called amoralist. These individuals, if they carry the 'warrior gene' - a gene which predisposes the holder towards aggressive behaviour - and happen to have grown up in a troubled childhood environment, will have all the cards against them. They will inevitably behave antisocially and perhaps even violently, without feeling the slightest bit of remorse. (We are not denying free will, but we are acknowledging that not all of our actions and dispositions are fully under our own control.)Thus the threat of death or exile will have no meaning to these types of person and will not stop them from committing crimes. Plus, if you decide to kill them, you may be punishing them for something which may have been completely beyond their control.

If this does not convince you, then consider the following. Life, whether you attribute a mystical/spiritual or just a 'thermodynamic miracle' value to it, is precious. We're not talking of 'potential life' or 'embryonic life' as anti-abortionists may put it, but developed, fulfilled and self-conscious life.
In our universe, it is potentially pretty rare. There is more nothing in the world than matter. That makes Earth pretty special and the life on it even more so.
There are times when it may seem that your only option in order to prevent loss of life at the hands of a killer, is to kill the killer. But, regardless of what that killer did with his or her life, how twisted and distorted it may seem to other moral creatures, it is still life. We know we may sound like hopelessly romantic idealists when we say this, but nonetheless - Capital punishment should never be considered, not even as a last resort. We believe everyone[i] can be helped. If they can't be helped, [i]everyone still deserves to live. Anything, even spending a little more money on a padded sell, bread and water and psychiatric help, is better than taking a life.
This is our view and we do not expect you to acknowledge it or even like it. We just feel that your country might just be better off without the death penalty and could benefit from exploring other options.
As always, we thank you for engaging us in conversation. This has been most stimulating.
Best wishes,

--Anarchist Equines.

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Postby Anarchist Equines » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:48 pm

Anarchist Equines wishes to elucidate on some of the characteristic of our community, as it has been brought to our attention that there seem to have been some misunderstandings here and there.

Regarding religion, the community does not enforce atheism.
We adhere to the 'freedom from religion/freedom of religion' policy. Our community happens to be made up of atheists, as atheism is a natural consequence of an anarchist view (e.g. no ruler on earth, no ruler in the sky). However, were any religious individuals interested in joining the community, they would be perfectly free to practice their religion - in the comfort of their own home.
Attempts to convert others would be frowned upon, but not punished. Any person of faith who sought special preference over other community members, instigated hatred or violence based on religious dogma or tried to institute/construct a church would simply be asked to stop or leave the community. We have nothing against faith, as long as it is private and does not intrude in other people's lives. In this sense, we are opposed to organized religion.

Regarding vegetarianism:
Again, as a significant part of our community is made up of sapient equines and other beastlings/creatures etc., most of the community is vegetarian out of necessity/respect. If anyone within the community who wishes to eat meat they can acquire it from neighboring non-vegetarian anarcho-communities or democratic nations who engage in free trade.
Meat-eating is simply frowned upon.
I was aiming for the 'meat-eating is frowned upon' issue result, but unfortunately didn't get it and now my nation profile says vegetarianism is compulsory, which is not what I wanted Hopefully an issue will come up soon which will allow me to change this.


We would also like to take this opportunity to thank the nations who have recently engaged with us in peaceful diplomatic conversation. Our best wishes to you all.

--Anarchist Equines
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Postby Princess Luna » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:13 pm

We are curious; why is it not tolerated to build a church? It is an activity that harms no one.
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