International Union of Equality and Freedom (IC)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Henry shot up. "His ponies are safe, but we have nations attacking my nation. They have not killed me yet, being part of the CoPS.!

"If this is about the Mackonian business, please note that we already posted a Longsword battlegroup outside their waters, and if they try anything on the scale of WMD's, they will get a hailstorm of cruise missiles... or even 260 nuclear warheads... So what's the matter?"
"On another topic, how many of you have read Revelation?"

[Yorobia]

Henry sat back down. There are a couple of Anti-pony states attacking me, and specifically, me. I don't know why. Also, there is a nation inside the coalition who wants Ponylands domination. We are calming him down, but the anti-pony states continue their attacks."

[Crystal Spires]

"Ah Revelation, I'm at the end of Chapter Sunshine, and I'm quite pleased with how it is written. We of Crystal Spires have extended an invitation to the UEF to the Iglesian Archipelago, and we intend to open trade relations regardless with the Iglesian Archipelago should they refuse our kind offer. Though I can imagine that Lyra is having an apoplectic shock of her life. I imagine 12 dozen water bottles and several dart boards with Diana Melo's face as a target. Of course there's always those other million people of the vanguard for freedom and equality. That is however Hippostania's way. I have learned to try and stand down, of course, until Hippostania tries to take action against us." Maven said with a cheerful smile while holding out his copy of the book.

[Crystalcliff Point]

Sara appeared, seemingly out of nowhere and shook Chibz awake from his trance.
"It intends for you to activate a nox, Take-Mikazuchi. We're under direct orders to help ensure their continued independence and safety."

"Henry, we can only use this if you are certain it's a dire threat. It's... only been fired once. Given the number of attackers, it cannot cause overwhelming losses, but perhaps it would dissuade them from attacking further."

[Yorobia]

Sara appeared, seemingly out of nowhere and shook Chibz awake from his trance.
"It intends for you to activate a nox, Take-Mikazuchi. We're under direct orders to help ensure their continued independence and safety."

"Henry, we can only use this if you are certain it's a dire threat. It's... only been fired once."

"I am not sure if it is necessary yet. I have people withing the CoPS protecting each other. ESC will start doing that soon. We have armies. Though I am being attacked, so are a group of other nations. We are working together, as are the ones not being attacked to protect us. I will receive a report from my messenger if things get feisty."

[Crystalcliff Point]

"Successful sting operation. Not a whole lot to report on THAT particular front. Just let us know if it becomes necessary to help deal with the antiponyists."

[Walrusfolk Eurarcta]

"Perhaps the problem will correct itself. Lyra seems to be increasing her state power. Perhaps the situation will come full-circle and she will be arrested for communism. Eurarcta has no love for Hippostania. We've lost quite a few good smugglers there."

[Sulfar]

"Perhaps the problem will correct itself. Lyra seems to be increasing her state power. Perhaps the situation will come full-circle and she will be arrested for communism. Eurarcta has no love for Hippostania. We've lost quite a few good smugglers there."

« I agree. Sulfar has the same feelings towards Hippostania. However, I support Maven's idea to establish relations with the Iglesian Archipelago. Aren't they protecting the Hippostanian leftist refugees? »

[Yorobia]

"Perhaps the problem will correct itself. Lyra seems to be increasing her state power. Perhaps the situation will come full-circle and she will be arrested for communism. Eurarcta has no love for Hippostania. We've lost quite a few good smugglers there."

I don't believe Hippostania wouldn't care to much about Yorobia.

[Crystal Spires]

"They might once they discover we are allies, as they do declare themselves to be our enemies. However with the Iglesian Archipelago, we of Crystal Spires stood with them and accepted many Hippostanian Communists from their party and gave them asylum. They have declared Spirean citizenship. We are a refuge to those who come, and so we intend to create a safe haven for all Communists declared enemies of state. If we open our arms to embrace the Iglesian Archipelago, they will have the safety to completely criticize the Hippostanian government openly without fear, and protect the Hippostanian communists. I also have an idea that I will perhaps build diplomatic relations with Hippostanian people and alter their perception of Communism." Maven said with a smile. "Being a Communist helps of course, and being a gentleman also tends to help my case, but this is Hippostania so I will have limited success. At the moment, Lyra is able to sit in the same room with me and not deliberately try to kill me. 'Tis progress! At least until I get a concussion from another bottle water attack."

[Silver Ridge]

The king sat there unimpressed over Hippostania's quarrel over a book, also he daydreamed about silly things such as what would happen if he drew his sword and pierced one of the other delegates...he put the thought aside and said:

Sincerely I think these pony fugitives should be sent back to Hippostania. Seen as there are trust issues between many of you and Hippostania maybe sending these Illegal immigrants/fugitives back to where they came from as a sign of trust and therefor boosting our alliance with CoPS

[Crystal Spires]

"No. First of all, they're not all ponies, and second of all I did not join this alliance just to have equality, freedom and justice take a backseat to the CoPS's flippant desires. No, I will make this firmly clear. Ideologically we stand firm on rights and our charter obligations which will stand first and foremost rather than using other people lives to appease the wanton madness of a rogue government. Much sooner would I forsake my life than my freedom, and if we compel it upon the lives of others, we become their murderers. Never will I do such a thing."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of the Beastling States of Crystal Spires

[Silver Ridge]

You said it yourself Maven, you would give your own life before those of others and if Hippostania's reputation is mildly true then that is how it will end.
Also once Lyra is done with you and the rest of us she will undoubtedly slaughter these refugees anyway.

Above all you should be more careful about what you say CoPS, I do not wish for Silver Ridge to end like Mackonia did and what almost happened to Shrilland and Crystal Spires alike.
Furthermore what is the life of a few refugees than those of all the people living in the nations looking after these refugees.

The king sat down returning to his drink

[Crystal Spires]

"Their life is all they have, and you'd be taking everything they have. No, this is non-negotiable. I will not allow any refugees returned and that is my final say, and if you're so willing to use other people's lives as gambling chips to appease the will of a murderous government, I will revoke your Hostmastership. There's no way I can trust that you will hold your resolve and protect those peoples if you're afraid of the political consequences for doing so. This is exactly what makes a hostmaster a difficult job. Not only must you house refugees, but you must agree on pain of death that you will not allow the opposing government to take them back for any reason. This is what it means to be a hostmaster. It means to protect the citizens from their government's own hate. If we took this circumstance and said 'we must surrender the ponies to the antiponyists or the antiponyists will retaliate' then we become anti-ponyists. That is enabling and collaborating with the actions of another. I will stand my ground and be firm with my obligations, and so too should you." Maven said as he crossed his arms and looked at the king of Silver Ridge with furied eyes but he spoke with a proud and firm voice, strong and true.

"We do not enable, our goal is Equality and Freedom supported by justice. If we support the acts of the unjust, we become unjust and kill our own organization. It is a farce, and we will not allow that. Grow some courage and stand up to your friends when they step out of line."

[Silver Ridge]

I was never a Host nation to begin with your "excellency", besides now you accuse me of being an Anti-Pony murderer, even after I took in hundreds of them in to my homeland. Secondly national security comes before a bunch of criminals running away from sentence. You may revoke anything you want but my opinion stays the same, In order to protect not only ourselves but more importantly our own people these illegal trespassers must be sent back for punishment or at least get legal documents for departure.

The king looked at Maven and neutrally also unimpressed with his childish fit

[Walrusfolk Eurarcta]

"Their life is all they have, and you'd be taking everything they have. No, this is non-negotiable. I will not allow any refugees returned and that is my final say, and if you're so willing to use other people's lives as gambling chips to appease the will of a murderous government, I will revoke your Hostmastership. There's no way I can trust that you will hold your resolve and protect those peoples if you're afraid of the political consequences for doing so. This is exactly what makes a hostmaster a difficult job. Not only must you house refugees, but you must agree on pain of death that you will not allow the opposing government to take them back for any reason. This is what it means to be a hostmaster. It means to protect the citizens from their government's own hate. If we took this circumstance and said 'we must surrender the ponies to the antiponyists or the antiponyists will retaliate' then we become anti-ponyists. That is enabling and collaborating with the actions of another. I will stand my ground and be firm with my obligations, and so too should you." Maven said as he crossed his arms and looked at the king of Silver Ridge with furied eyes but he spoke with a proud and firm voice, strong and true.

"We do not enable, our goal is Equality and Freedom supported by justice. If we support the acts of the unjust, we become unjust and kill our own organization. It is a farce, and we will not allow that. Grow some courage and stand up to your friends when they step out of line."

"Eurarcta agrees. We should make no concessions to those smuggler-murderers."

[Walrusfolk Eurarcta]

I was never a Host nation to begin with your "excellency", besides now you accuse me of being an Anti-Pony murderer, even after I took in hundreds of them in to my homeland. Secondly national security comes before a bunch of criminals running away from sentence. You may revoke anything you want but my opinion stays the same, In order to protect not only ourselves but more importantly our own people these illegal trespassers must be sent back for punishment or at least get legal documents for departure.

The king looked at Maven and neutrally also unimpressed with his childish fit

"We respectfully disagree with you, glorious king, though you may be. Eurarcta says no concessions to those who kill honest smugglers."

[Crystal Spires]

Now you accuse me of being an Anti-Pony murderer, even after I took in hundreds of them in to my homeland.

"What would make you a murderer would be to deliver them from a refuge to the executioner who intends to kill them for what is NOT a crime." Maven said with a glare.

Secondly national security comes before a bunch of criminals running away from sentence.

One is not a criminal by practicing freedom of speech, assembly, and the press. If this is an executable offense, I ask that you execute me for my crimes. I am guilty. I am a Communist as well, go on, appease to Lyra's madness and do as she desires. Kill me then. Do you perhaps see the madness in these words? There's no sense to it at all."

You may revoke anything you want but my opinion stays the same, In order to protect not only ourselves but more importantly our own people these illegal trespassers must be sent back for punishment or at least get legal documents for departure.

"No, it is revoked because we provide freedom of customs to protect refugees fleeing for their lives and we grant them asylum because while their governments will declare them criminals for words, thoughts, and actions that are not remotely criminal, they take their civil and humane rights away, and they declare them enemies of state to justify what is unsolicited state sanctioned murder." Maven wasn't throwing a fit at all, he was cool, and stood with a dignified proud expression filled with outrage at the suggestion that the UEF would 'sell' rights of the civilian to appease corrupt governments.

[Silver Ridge]

What would make you a murderer would be to deliver them from a refuge to the executioner who intends to kill them for what is NOT a crime.


One is not a criminal by practicing freedom of speech, assembly, and the press. If this is an executable offense, I ask that you execute me for my crimes. I am guilty. I am a Communist as well, go on, appease to Lyra's madness and do as she desires. Kill me then. Do you perhaps see the madness in these words? There's no sense to it at all

In our nations it is not a crime, however in Hippostania it probably is and they remain Hippostanian so they are still criminals.
Secondly I am not the murderer your delusional mind thinks I am, thus I will never kill you or anybody else here.

And now you accuse me once more but this time of being a madman. Well if wanting the best for my people is madness then yes I am a madman and if avoiding war with Hippostania and saving lives in the process then send me to an asylum now .

I speak no madness but rather another perspective on the subject but please go on with the accusations if you don't want to see the reason in my own arguments.

[Walrusfolk Eurarcta]

"There seems an easy answer here. Revoke their dual citizenship. If they are no longer Hippostanian citizens, then they are not bound by such Laws. Simple enough. Or we could send them to Eurarcta, which is a wonderful safehaven for outlaws and outcasts."

[Crystal Spires]

In our nations it is not a crime, however in Hippostania it probably is and they remain Hippostanian so they are still criminals.

"The law is beyond such concepts as petty as arbitrarily defined national borders. There is what is right, and what is wrong. Being from Hippostania changes nothing. Tell me your Highness, What is our Charge and what is our charter? The Charge of the Union is that we mandate that for membership of this organization you must adhere to the rights of full Civil and Political rights to any Sapient Race that accepts this coalitions existence. That the following Required Freedoms and Rights that must be Provided are Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Movement, Freedom of and from Religion, Rights of Customs, Freedom from Slavery, Freedom to all Genders, Freedom of Sexual Preferences, Freedom of Political Ideology, Freedom of Opinion, Freedom from Discrimination and the Right of Regret which we are all sworn by honor to uphold REGARDLESS OF the political, jurisdictional or international status of the Nation State to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty. This means that you are to disregard what nation state that a person comes from and protect their rights REGARDLESS."

Secondly I am not the murderer your delusional mind thinks I am, thus I will never kill you or anybody else here.

"But you would hand over a person to a government which you know will kill them. That is murder."

And now you accuse me once more but this time of being a madman. Well if wanting the best for my people is madness then yes I am a madman and if avoiding war with Hippostania and saving lives in the process then send me to an asylum now .

"You are a madman to legitimate Hippostania as a state. It has shown itself to be a Terroristic State. What makes you mad is the intent to appeal to to them using the lives you're not entitled to risk!"

I speak no madness but rather another perspective on the subject but please go on with the accusations if you don't want to see the reason in my own arguments.

"Reason? What reason is there I see no reason, just cowardice." Maven said with a proud look.

[Skallen]

Stephan couldn't help but clap a bit as Maven finished his rebuttal, stopping after a bit when he realizes no one else is clapping. "Now that is moral integrity, that's what we need more of in our world...I applaud you Maven, as for you..." He glances at the King "Are you truly a member of the UEF, or do you just claim to membership until it becomes politically expedient for you to renege on your agreements? Do you only care for all of these freedoms when they are provided to your own people? Because if so then I believe you may be in the wrong organization..."

[Apoctis]

Ahriman sat quietly as emotion and outrage filed the room he sighed calmly "We will not feed any flames for they shall just grow. Sending mortals back to hippostania will result in death and will do absolutely nothing for our relations with such a nation. I do not entirely agree with this King , and I believe maybe his membership in the U.E.F. should be put on pending considering the words he just uttered. Yet I am not in charge of this. This argument is foolish as the position of Maven fits perfectly with the position of the U.E.F. and as such if you have a problem with allowing rights to everyone, then you should leave. There are never any exceptions to these things because as soon as there are it degenerates until the only person with rights is the one with the most power." Ahirman then sat calmly back meddling with minds far away.

[Crystalcliff Point]

"Maven, you ... actually remind me of someone. A crusader, like you. But unlike him you don't go to the same extremes with it. Sometimes I think I'm too soft to deal with the sapients rights violations that occur regularly in the human lands. Someone else would likely be better fitted for the job."

[Silver Ridge]

Isaac looked at Maven and said.- I never said I wasn't letting them in, I just think it could lead to a greater death toll than sending them back, OK? do you get it now?

And before you say anything about me not accepting the virtues of this union, I say once more I AM LETTING THEM IN TO MY NATION, and even though it goes against me personally it is in direct violation of our charter so yes, they are welcome or at least were until you revoked my Host status, anyway seen as I can't take anyone in anymore the remaining refugees that were coming my way are going to have to be sent somewhere else.

Furthermore, seen as you have all agreed I shall be leaving this alliance.-

Isaac got up and left for home