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Crystal Spires
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Postby Crystal Spires » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:34 am

Urmanian wrote:And Whairtia eats sapient beings.


Creepy... :blink: Uuuuu.... even if it isn't technically cannibalism I get that feeling from it. Uugh....
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Teddy Bear Republic
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Postby Teddy Bear Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:41 am

Will repeat question:
Are we allowed to put this organization into our signature? Thank you.

Oh, and I deleted my post on the anti-pony nation after I found out I forgot to read the posts before it (if that makes sense). Forgot my own personal rule. Oh well.

P.S. We do legalize cannibalism. Not that it's a large market. Strictly regulated by Ministry of Health. And stop looking at us in that way. There's nothing technically wrong with that. Right?
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Anarchist Equines
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:44 am

Teddy Bear Republic wrote:Will repeat question:
Are we allowed to put this organization into our signature? Thank you.


I was meaning to ask this also: I went ahead and included it anyway, but I apologize if I was supposed to wait until I'm included in the member list on the first post.

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Postby Crystal Spires » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:55 am

By all means, feel free to put it in your sig, it's fine by me!
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Anarchist Equines
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:59 am

Awesome :) thanks!

I'd also like to take this opportunity, if I may, to reassure the GPH that in my community nobody eats ponies or other sentient/sapient creatures.
AE has also never instigated any conflict with the CoPS or any other coalition, never expressed any desire to do so, and has recently specified in the manifesto thread that, were there ponyists or other religious members of the community, they would be perfectly free to practice their faith as long as they did not impose it on others (Crystal Spires pretty much summed it up in another thread, you can't ban ideas/ideologies, but you can take precautions that limit the harm that those ideas could cause if put into practice).
We list these points as they are presumably the only reasons GPH could have for questioning Salvarity and Crystal Spires' decision to let AE join the UEF.
Unless, of course, it is only because AE happen to not believe in something the GPH believes in, and that the GPH find this offensive.

AE was invited to join because, despite repeating several times that its intentions are wholly peaceful and seek no conflict, some CoPS nations threatened to invade or nuke it (I think 'crusade' was the term most used). It was not done out of spite, whatever one might think.

Sorry if this post sounds a bit more IC rather than OOC :)

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Urmanian
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Postby Urmanian » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:02 am

All 'crusade' threats were OOC, all CoPS nations that engaged in dialogue with AE were rather peaceful and polite even despite AE's aggressive rhetorics.

And obviously AE were invited and admitted out of spite, because *maven_trollface.jpg*

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Teddy Bear Republic
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Postby Teddy Bear Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:06 am

I'm confused now. Is cannibalism legal under the charter?

As a highly regulated, tiny, market? With the bear being eaten giving his or her consent? And it's post-mortem?
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:11 am

Urmanian wrote:All 'crusade' threats were OOC, all CoPS nations that engaged in dialogue with AE were rather peaceful and polite even despite AE's aggressive rhetorics.

And obviously AE were invited and admitted out of spite, because *maven_trollface.jpg*


Raven wrote:If you kill one single Ponyist-friend pony, we shall nuke you.


I'll admit that was the only ponyist nation that actually threatened AE IC. And to be fair, I don't know whether they are a member or observer.
Again, the rhetoric seems aggressive to you. I always figured aggressive rhetoric constituted an actual threat of aggression. All I did was make a community that rejects ponyism. If you think that rejecting something and explaining why one rejects it is akin to aggression, that's another question entirely.

Also if all crusade and nuking threats were made OOC, doesn't that mean that you were planning to do one IC anyway?
No sarcasm, it's something about the OOC and IC distinction that I haven't yet fully understood.

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Postby Urmanian » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:14 am

Anarchist Equines wrote:No sarcasm, it's something about the OOC and IC distinction that I haven't yet fully understood.


Well...IC is In-Character and OOC is Out Of Character. What is said OOCly doesn't happen in the game. I...don't know how to explain.

But yes, drafting an excommunication and declaring Crusade is in the Orthodox Ponyist Church of the GPH's plans, but that's not really likely to happen unless AE do something silly.

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Crystal Spires
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Postby Crystal Spires » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:14 am

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Postby Yorobia » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:18 am

Crystal Spires wrote:

that's a bit too random.
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:18 am

Urmanian wrote:
Anarchist Equines wrote:No sarcasm, it's something about the OOC and IC distinction that I haven't yet fully understood.


Well...IC is In-Character and OOC is Out Of Character. What is said OOCly doesn't happen in the game. I...don't know how to explain.

But yes, drafting an excommunication and declaring Crusade is in the Orthodox Ponyist Church of the GPH's plans, but that's not really likely to happen unless AE do something silly.


I know what IC and OOC mean :) But your second point has explained things for me.
You can rest assured that AE will never do anything silly, unless of course, being 'silly' means expressing one's beliefs and political convictions.

@CS: Oh, you :roll:
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Postby Urmanian » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:19 am

Also, just out of curiosity...how exactly big is AE?

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Postby Yorobia » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:21 am

Urmanian wrote:Also, just out of curiosity...how exactly big is AE?

:meh: :arrow:
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Crystal Spires
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Postby Crystal Spires » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:21 am

OOC: Anything said out of character and it means that anything said does not count IC, because it does not happen in the game world. For example, IC Maven doesn't know that GPH has a Warhammer 40k theocracy (jk jk). So as far as Maven is concerned, it's not, and he would defend GPH if someone called them that as he would find the idea silly (the poor sod). However IC Mackonia declared his speciesist statements with regards to Ponyism in the Socialist Congress, angering Eames (Yeah, don't do that. Pissing off the Treant is bad for your health.) and then causing Eames to report that to Maven who knows that Mackonia is still speciesist. It was the grounds we had to reject him. So remember IC if you are speaking as your characters, and OOC if you're speaking as AE. With people like me, (who have multiple characters with diverse personalities) it's easy to know when I'm OOC and IC, but in circustances where there is a person playing an Expy of themselves, it becomes hard to separate IC and OOC, and it's why there's a lot of people who get mad unnecessarily.

IC: everything said in character.
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Postby Teddy Bear Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:24 am

Never really understood why people would not put everything on one thread ... works for my threads. Just put OOC in front of an OOC statement, and an IC in front an IC statement. Not that difficult. Unlike changing threads constantly, moving between one and another.
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Postby Anarchist Equines » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:25 am

Yorobia wrote:
Urmanian wrote:Also, just out of curiosity...how exactly big is AE?

:meh: :arrow:


Why, is it a trick question?

@CS: thanks for clearing that up in detail

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Postby Urmanian » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:28 am

Teddy Bear Republic wrote:Never really understood why people would not put everything on one thread ... works for my threads. Just put OOC in front of an OOC statement, and an IC in front an IC statement. Not that difficult. Unlike changing threads constantly, moving between one and another.


Because threads can, and tend to if they grow big, to turn into OOC chatters if not separated. That's why the CoPS' first thread was closed.

Anarchist Equines wrote:Why, is it a trick question?


Not really. Just curious.

Crystal Spires wrote:GPH has a Warhammer 40k theocracy (jk jk).


No jokes, this picture is very related

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Postby Yorobia » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:30 am

Teddy Bear Republic wrote:Porkof tried a smile. "It is post-mortem."

This is in the IC, and is the fact that you tried to smile a part of that you are a bear or you don't smile very much.
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Postby Teddy Bear Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:37 am

I see, regarding the OOC and IC threads. I'll just keep them on separate tabs.

No, it's because Porkof's (no, not me personally, Porkof) trying to ... ach, never mind. Should have put something else. It did feel right for the moment.
Oh, and bears can smile (how does it matter?). And Porkof is fun at parties. Nice jokes.
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Postby Crystal Spires » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:38 am



WIN!

And for example in OOC, I'm Spires, not Maven. Though Maven has invaded my brain on occasions and I might do something like this.

Maven: Why are you more afraid of Eames than ME?

Darrus: It's that look...

Maven: Which look?

Eames: MAVEN! Why didn't you take Elle out for her birthday?

Maven: It was her birthday?

Eames:*INCOMPREHENSIBLE HORRIFYING LOOK*

Maven: Okay Darrus, you win.

Example heh heh heh.
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Postby Whairtia » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:59 pm

Crystal Spires wrote:Okay, my call then? I say he be accepted provisionally as an observer so we can be sure their intentions are pure, and then we can discuss membership reapplication. If the USSW has changed their position on ponyists and other non saurian creatures I see little problem. Grace period granted, but we have to be wary. Ah yes and I say aye on the other applications.

We were against ponyist (radical) in a war, naturally the ban was lifted when victory was made. Also yeah yeah, we eat sentient beings, that is when they die. A matter of fact cannibalism is frowned on, eat another dead species not your own dead species, the population hunts no sentient creatures and scavenges the dead, it is a cultural thing because we feel that it is not natural to not do and that it would be a waste of a body. Pony nations just hate us because we eat ponies that die, but we have been very active on making sure ponies in the region can be free and are even ready to make sure we fight for their rights.

I mean seriously the whairtian government would find that nations attacking these things to be shameful, and yes we bought a pony restaurant food chain store for our country. But it is being built into a main line restaurant that serves other things.

Rule on of Natural Law: Carnivores eat herbivores, herbivores eat flora, won't change and must be upheld in a proper manner.
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Postby Urmanian » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:01 pm

I think the above post can serve only to reinforce the notion that UEF should be taking direct action against Whairtia, not accepting it as a member.
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Postby Whairtia » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:03 pm

Urmanian wrote:I think the above post can serve only to reinforce the notion that UEF should be taking direct action against Whairtia, not accepting it as a member.

Will you please stop harassing em already dude, what do you have against me.
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Postby Urmanian » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:06 pm

Whairtia wrote:Will you please stop harassing em already dude


I'm an UEF observer, I have the full right to post on this thread.

Whairtia wrote:what do you have against me.


Hmmm, let's see...regime committed genocide in the past and doesn't show any remorse now, sapient beings are eaten without their consent, government opening a restaurant chain that butchers sapient beings for food...oh, sorry! Spires, he's clear, accept him now.
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