Union of Equality and Freedom (OOC Sign-Up and Charter)

[YellowApple]

Bah, the Dark godsLuna and Celestia are the only religion that should be allowed anywhere.

Fix'd.

[Crystal Spires]

Bah,[strike]the Dark gods Luna and Celestia the religions that advocate kindness, compassion, joy, and peace are the only religions that should be allowed anywhere.

Super fix'd

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Super fix'd

What about the religions advocating BDSM orgies?

I recall an incident around forty years ago in our great Empire when those of the more radical Christian beliefs wanted such a religion banned, but freedom of religion rights allowed it to live.

[YellowApple]

Super fix'd

What about the religions advocating BDSM orgies?

I recall an incident around forty years ago in our great Empire when those of the more radical Christian beliefs wanted such a religion banned, but freedom of religion rights allowed it to live.

As long as they're consensual, I don't see a problem with it.

It's when a religion steals dogs (or people) from homes and sacrifices them that I have an issue

[Apoctis]

Oh my, that bodes poorly for my religion...

[Nightkill the Emperor]

What about the religions advocating BDSM orgies?

I recall an incident around forty years ago in our great Empire when those of the more radical Christian beliefs wanted such a religion banned, but freedom of religion rights allowed it to live.

As long as they're consensual, I don't see a problem with it.

It's when a religion steals dogs (or people) from homes and sacrifices them that I have an issue

Sacrificing dogs? What monsters would do such a thing?

Now, people on the other hand...

[Crystal Spires]

As long as it's consensual...

Consensual human sacrifice... The very thought....

[YellowApple]

Oh my, that bodes poorly for my religion...

Yeah... you became a member how? lol

As long as it's consensual...

Consensual human sacrifice... The very thought....

Yes, if it's consensual, I have no issue with it. If it's not consensual (such as against dogs, for example, or coerced sapient beings) then yeah. Not happening here.

[Crystalcliff Point]

The main religion of Crystalcliff Point would be heavily endorsed by Crystal Spires then. By the way, does the charter guarantee the right to political parties, or can a nation force everyone to run as independents? Political parties only benefit the severely rich who would buy out our political freedoms.

[Apoctis]

Oh my, that bodes poorly for my religion...

Yeah... you became a member how? lol

As long as it's consensual...

Consensual human sacrifice... The very thought....

Yes, if it's consensual, I have no issue with it. If it's not consensual (such as against dogs, for example, or coerced sapient beings) then yeah. Not happening here.

I became a member through my charming looks and character , and of course its all consensual...

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Yeah... you became a member how? lol



Yes, if it's consensual, I have no issue with it. If it's not consensual (such as against dogs, for example, or coerced sapient beings) then yeah. Not happening here.

I became a member through my charming looks and character , and of course its all consensual...

Riiight.

[YellowApple]

The main religion of Crystalcliff Point would be heavily endorsed by Crystal Spires then. By the way, does the charter guarantee the right to political parties, or can a nation force everyone to run as independents? Political parties only benefit the severely rich who would buy out our political freedoms.

I force everyone to run as independents, so I don't see why that would be an issue

Yeah... you became a member how? lol



Yes, if it's consensual, I have no issue with it. If it's not consensual (such as against dogs, for example, or coerced sapient beings) then yeah. Not happening here.

I became a member through my charming looks and character , and of course its all consensual...

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure...

[Apoctis]

You guys are the best friends chaos can have.

[Carceno]

That does not bode well for us.

[Walrusfolk Eurarcta]

As long as it's consensual...

Consensual human sacrifice... The very thought....

Hey, the Aztecs had it. A majority of their sacrifices actually consented.

[Crystalcliff Point]

Well, good thing that "consensual sapient sacrificing" is allowed, or else Crystalcliff would have a severe weapon shortage and would likely be conquered by the next random nation to come along.

What about it as an alternative punishment available, and having your name stricken from the records as a criminal?

[Aethrys]

So anyway, the PRA's observer application was approved by CS and sort of blocked by Salvarity (Still haven't seen an actual rejection on that) So I guess that leaves Yellow Apple to make a final decision. Note that the PRA's stance hasn't changed, and they continue to refuse to permit fascist ideologies or religion to corrupt their political system. I'd just like a definite "No" vote before Aetherian ministers start making scathing speeches about the UEF on PNN.

Is that refusal to permit religion aimed at all religions in general, or is there a specific religion being combated? I'm generally more lenient regarding religions if said religion invariably involves harm - either physical or psychological - to others, such as Satanism or Discord-worship. If religion as a whole is banned entirely, then I'd have to vote against. If said non-permission applies to politics only (in other words, a very strict separation of church and state, permitting individuals to practice it as long as they do so privately), then I see no problem with it.

Religion is not banned, Aetherian citizens are free to have whatever superstitions they please in private, provided it doesn't involve sacrificing people or something else that breaks Aetherian laws. We have strict laws regarding the establishment and management of places of public worship, they cannot receive state funding, and are subject to closure if the pulpit is used to make political messages.

What that is referring to is the prohibition of religious political parties. In the 1920s, the parties based on religions started working together to ban secular parties. After that was done, they naturally set to work trying to ban each other. By 1924 the cults of Orthodox Christianity, Taoism, and Buddhism were the three largest parties, with a handful of smaller religions with minimal representation. The Christians gained a significant majority in the ANS and called for a vote to ban Buddhism on December 31, 1924. This was blocked by the longest filibuster ever recorded in the Aetherian National Senate, which went on until approximately 11:45 pm. At this point unknown gunmen stormed the building, (according to state records they were Christians attempting to end the filibuster) which sparked what later became known as the Midnight War.

Long story short, it lasted 3 years, and the Socialists saw the total collapse of the government as a great chance to get back into the public eye. They, along with the other banned parties formed the Aetherian Secular Coalition and managed to defeat the Christians and become big goddamn heroes, and firmly cement themselves as the primary political base of the newly formed PRA, which they've largely kept to the present day.

So they aren't too keen on letting the people they shot out of power back in. Which isn't too likely considering public attitudes toward religion in general. A popular Aetherian children's rhyme illustrates this.

"A cultist is a person who likes to spread hate.

When they try to gain power, they're an enemy of the state.

December 31st, remember the date.

Report them, before it's too late."

Plus, a collection of crosses ripped from the necks of Christians killed in combat are treated as cultural treasures in the Aetherian National Museum.

[YellowApple]

Well, good thing that "consensual sapient sacrificing" is allowed, or else Crystalcliff would have a severe weapon shortage and would likely be conquered by the next random nation to come along.

What about it as an alternative punishment available, and having your name stricken from the records as a criminal?

As long as it is within reason and 100% consensual; if there is any doubt regarding said criminal's sanity, or if it's for a less-than-severe crime, it would be unacceptable.

Is that refusal to permit religion aimed at all religions in general, or is there a specific religion being combated? I'm generally more lenient regarding religions if said religion invariably involves harm - either physical or psychological - to others, such as Satanism or Discord-worship. If religion as a whole is banned entirely, then I'd have to vote against. If said non-permission applies to politics only (in other words, a very strict separation of church and state, permitting individuals to practice it as long as they do so privately), then I see no problem with it.

Religion is not banned, Aetherian citizens are free to have whatever superstitions they please in private, provided it doesn't involve sacrificing people or something else that breaks Aetherian laws. We have strict laws regarding the establishment and management of places of public worship, they cannot receive state funding, and are subject to closure if the pulpit is used to make political messages.

What that is referring to is the prohibition of religious political parties. In the 1920s, the parties based on religions started working together to ban secular parties. After that was done, they naturally set to work trying to ban each other. By 1924 the cults of Orthodox Christianity, Taoism, and Buddhism were the three largest parties, with a handful of smaller religions with minimal representation. The Christians gained a significant majority in the ANS and called for a vote to ban Buddhism on December 31, 1924. This was blocked by the longest filibuster ever recorded in the Aetherian National Senate, which went on until approximately 11:45 pm. At this point unknown gunmen stormed the building, (according to state records they were Christians attempting to end the filibuster) which sparked what later became known as the Midnight War.

Long story short, it lasted 3 years, and the Socialists saw the total collapse of the government as a great chance to get back into the public eye. They, along with the other banned parties formed the Aetherian Secular Coalition and managed to defeat the Christians and become big goddamn heroes, and firmly cement themselves as the primary political base of the newly formed PRA, which they've largely kept to the present day.

So they aren't too keen on letting the people they shot out of power back in. Which isn't too likely considering public attitudes toward religion in general. A popular Aetherian children's rhyme illustrates this.

"A cultist is a person who likes to spread hate.

When they try to gain power, they're an enemy of the state.

December 31st, remember the date.

Report them, before it's too late."

Plus, a collection of crosses ripped from the necks of Christians killed in combat are treated as cultural treasures in the Aetherian National Museum.

Well then.

As long as religion may still be practiced legally, I see no issue with this. By my powers combined-

Uh, I mean, accepted.

[The UEG-Space Command]

"Because is dislike the CoPS, I am here to show this picture with you guys, I found it and thought it was a nice laugh."
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4djwp7.png

[Urmanian]

"Because is dislike the CoPS, I am here to show this picture with you guys, I found it and thought it was a nice laugh."
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4djwp7.png

not only doesn't this belong in this thread in any way, but also the fact that you liked this picture because you dislike CoPS baffles me

[The UEG-Space Command]

"Because is dislike the CoPS, I am here to show this picture with you guys, I found it and thought it was a nice laugh."
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4djwp7.png

not only doesn't this belong in this thread in any way, but also the fact that you liked this picture because you dislike CoPS baffles me

So because I dislike the CoPS.....that means I like that picture.....yeah *sends medicine.*

[Urmanian]

So because I dislike the CoPS.....that means I like that picture.....yeah *sends medicine.*

*sends medicine back* Yeah, that's what you said.

[YellowApple]

not only doesn't this belong in this thread in any way, but also the fact that you liked this picture because you dislike CoPS baffles me

So because I dislike the CoPS.....that means I like that picture.....yeah *sends medicine.*

Hmm.

Well, nonetheless, I believe the thread you're looking for to post pony-related pictures is this one.

[The UEG-Space Command]

I just wanted to share it with you guys personally, that and because I fear urmanian at every angle, anything pony related, bingo, a matter of fact I think he stalks me, but then again whats you expect.

[Legokiller]

I just wanted to share it with you guys personally, that and because I fear urmanian at every angle, anything pony related, bingo, a matter of fact I think he stalks me, but then again whats you expect.

Legokiller foreign policy on being afraid on big influences power houses oh my!