The Coalition of Ponyist States (In-character); (UPDATED)

[New Sangheilios]

We appreciate your willingness to assist in ensuring that genocidal actions do not occur without appropriate repercussions. Even if New Sangheilian membership is ultimately rejected, you have our gratitude and support, though we also will understandably keep a wary eye on all members of the AAPS, for our own safety.

Giving a nation that states "however, once they begin forcing ponyism on other states, they become a problem that has to be neutralised", which basically means "once they try to restore civil rights, most importantly freedom of conscience and thought, in a state that quells them, they become a problem that has to be neutralised" means to spy on the Coalition may seem a rather silly idea, but probably it's just me.

Woah, woah, woah!

First, you cut out the start of that post. It clearly read; I maintain the ideology that ponyist states have the right to be ponyost states...
Thats not what it means at all!
If that's you line of thought, you may as well say Hitler was a revolutionary for trying to expand a booming economy and military!
What I was trying to say was, if you take unprovoked military action against a nation for the sole purpose of expanding ponyism, you become a problem that has to be neutralised. Anti-imperialism. What the AAPS was founded for.

And I'm not a spy, I'm equalist. I don't want ponies killed, I just don't want them to abandon their beliefs and force imperialism on others.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Giving a nation that states "however, once they begin forcing ponyism on other states, they become a problem that has to be neutralised", which basically means "once they try to restore civil rights, most importantly freedom of conscience and thought, in a state that quells them, they become a problem that has to be neutralised" means to spy on the Coalition may seem a rather silly idea, but probably it's just me.

Woah, woah, woah!

Thats not what it means at all!
If that's you line of thought, you may as well say Hitler was a revolutionary for trying to expand a booming economy and military!
What I was trying to say was, if you take unprovoked military action against a nation for the sole purpose of expanding ponyism, you become a problem that has to be neutralised. Anti-imperialism. What the AAPS was founded for.

And I'm not a spy, I'm equalist. I don't want ponies killed, I just don't want them to abandon their beliefs and force imperialism on others.

We do not want imperialism forced on others too, but I do believe Her Ladyship Twilight Sparkle has had enough of the endless pony-killing sprees, as do us. However, given the Hippostanian farce, we are quite sick and tired of these sort of displays of ignorance.

[Urmanian]

Woah, woah, woah!

Thats not what it means at all!
If that's you line of thought, you may as well say Hitler was a revolutionary for trying to expand a booming economy and military!
What I was trying to say was, if you take unprovoked military action against a nation for the sole purpose of expanding ponyism, you become a problem that has to be neutralised. Anti-imperialism. What the AAPS was founded for.

And I'm not a spy, I'm equalist. I don't want ponies killed, I just don't want them to abandon their beliefs and force imperialism on others.

Then AAPS is tilting at windmills. There's no such thing as "ponyist imperialism". All there is is your baseless paranoia of anything with "pony" in it.

However, the fact that AAPS lists a ban on Ponyism as one of membership requirements shows that you aren't telling the truth, to put it lightly.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Ok, well, I vote against giving NSang anything.

[YellowApple]

We appreciate your willingness to assist in ensuring that genocidal actions do not occur without appropriate repercussions. Even if New Sangheilian membership is ultimately rejected, you have our gratitude and support, though we also will understandably keep a wary eye on all members of the AAPS, for our own safety.

Giving a nation that states "however, once they begin forcing ponyism on other states, they become a problem that has to be neutralised", which basically means "once they try to restore civil rights, most importantly freedom of conscience and thought, in a state that quells them, they become a problem that has to be neutralised" means to spy on the Coalition may seem a rather silly idea, but probably it's just me.

We are doubtful that the New Sangheilians truly interpret our anti-genocide policies and operations as imperialist tactics.

We would also like to once again reiterate that there is a difference between opposition to the Ponyist political movement and opposition to sapient equines themselves.

[Urmanian]

We would also like to once again reiterate that there is a difference between opposition to the Ponyist political movement and opposition to sapient equines themselves.

No. There is not. The only reason we can see right now for opposition to the ideology of Ponyism is opposition to ponies as a species.

Well, there's also Hippostania of course...

[Crystal Spires]

To: The Coalition of Ponyist States,

From:The Beastling States of Crystal Spires

Honored Members,

We of Crystal Spires are pleased to hear of your expressed support for our application for entry into the Coalition of Ponyist States. I, High Chancellor Maven Auryn, am pleased to see a few people I consider friends are in the Alliance. Since I am a bit indisposed at the moment dealing with illness and a rather difficult proposal in our High Council due to a rather bothersome fly and accusations of corruption due to my more secular attitude, I will not be able to personally attend the Security Council until I am done settling this dispute, but Chancellor Eames Gromkin will attend in my place along with our Minister of National and Domestic Defense, Ministers Krichen Nylion and Urden Yalton respectively. We hope their insight will be able to offer some contributions and we offer our sincerest apologies for being late for the summit.

Depends on the context,

[New Sangheilios]

Woah, woah, woah!

Thats not what it means at all!
If that's you line of thought, you may as well say Hitler was a revolutionary for trying to expand a booming economy and military!
What I was trying to say was, if you take unprovoked military action against a nation for the sole purpose of expanding ponyism, you become a problem that has to be neutralised. Anti-imperialism. What the AAPS was founded for.

And I'm not a spy, I'm equalist. I don't want ponies killed, I just don't want them to abandon their beliefs and force imperialism on others.

Then AAPS is tilting at windmills. There's no such thing as "ponyist imperialism". All there is is your baseless paranoia of anything with "pony" in it.

However, the fact that AAPS lists a ban on Ponyism as one of membership requirements shows that you aren't telling the truth, to put it lightly.

It does not state that it is necessary to ban ponyism to join, it simply asks if ponyism is banned.

And pnyist imperialism is as real as any other kind of imperialism. Whether or not you have implimented it or nor is beside the point.

And YellowApple: thank you. You seem to get it. Just because I am socialist doesn't mean I hate capitalism, and just because I am anti-ponyist doesn't mean I hate ponies. It just meansI disagree with their political views. But they have as much right to have those views as me or anyone else.

And bear in mind that the Hippostanian communist party are housed in New Sangheilios, where we are hiding them from CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BASED ON POLITICAL OPINION!

[Urmanian]

And pnyist imperialism is as real as any other kind of imperialism. Whether or not you have implimented it or nor is beside the point.

Oh, then you may as well join every single political organization that opposes another set of political beliefs, since you don't know from where can the scary imperialism come so you've got to be prepared!

and just because I am anti-ponyist doesn't mean I hate ponies. It just meansI disagree with their political views..

What political views? Please describe an average pony's political views.

[YellowApple]

We would also like to once again reiterate that there is a difference between opposition to the Ponyist political movement and opposition to sapient equines themselves.

No. There is not. The only reason we can see right now for opposition to the ideology of Ponyism is opposition to ponies as a species.

Well, there's also Hippostania of course...

The ideology of Ponyism is not restricted to the equines themselves. Immediately regarding opposition to the political theory of Ponyism as synonymous with discrimination against equines is ineffective, given that not all equines are Ponyists, and not all Ponyists are equines. There is a rather profound difference between an ideology and a species, and until it is clear that the AAPS as a whole is actually targeting the species - which YellowApplan observations will hopefully clarify - we cannot automatically assume that these nations are genocidal.

We can, however, suspect that they might be, and thus maintain a close watch over their operations to ensure that no equines are discriminated against for being equines.

[New Sangheilios]

And pnyist imperialism is as real as any other kind of imperialism. Whether or not you have implimented it or nor is beside the point.

Oh, then you may as well join every single political organization that opposes another set of political beliefs, since you don't know from where can the scary imperialism come so you've got to be prepared!

and just because I am anti-ponyist doesn't mean I hate ponies. It just meansI disagree with their political views..

What political views? Please describe an average pony's political views.

Extensive peace, love and happiness. It goes against one of the fundimental rules of society; belligerents are necessary for advancement. Hate is needed to force the world forward.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Then AAPS is tilting at windmills. There's no such thing as "ponyist imperialism". All there is is your baseless paranoia of anything with "pony" in it.

However, the fact that AAPS lists a ban on Ponyism as one of membership requirements shows that you aren't telling the truth, to put it lightly.

It does not state that it is necessary to ban ponyism to join, it simply asks if ponyism is banned.

And pnyist imperialism is as real as any other kind of imperialism. Whether or not you have implimented it or nor is beside the point.

And YellowApple: thank you. You seem to get it. Just because I am socialist doesn't mean I hate capitalism, and just because I am anti-ponyist doesn't mean I hate ponies. It just meansI disagree with their political views. But they have as much right to have those views as me or anyone else.

And bear in mind that the Hippostanian communist party are housed in New Sangheilios, where we are hiding them from CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BASED ON POLITICAL OPINION!

It is beside the point because the Imperialism argument is in no contact with reality. Specifically,

1. Ponyist imperialism is in action
2. More and more states as a rule are forced to adopt ponyism as state ideology, exponentially in the pursuit of colonies for the CoPS
3. Most of this are persuaded under either the point of the sword or severe economical sanctions

But

1. The fact that ponyist imperialism is in action has been refuted
2. There are no states that even adopts real ponyism, especially not exponentially. And as to our knowledge, none is the colony, official or unofficial of CoPS
3. None of these nations that even adopted ponyism did it after the CoPS threatened to invade unless they adopted ponyism

Ipso facto, the argument that ponyism imperialism is in action has no basis in real facts. Ergo, ponyist imperialism is fiction, therefore the New Sangheilios delegate is in error. Quod erat demonstrandum.

[Urmanian]

And as to our knowledge, none is the colony, official or unofficial of GPH

OOC: Sorry YellowApple

[New Sangheilios]

It does not state that it is necessary to ban ponyism to join, it simply asks if ponyism is banned.

And pnyist imperialism is as real as any other kind of imperialism. Whether or not you have implimented it or nor is beside the point.

And YellowApple: thank you. You seem to get it. Just because I am socialist doesn't mean I hate capitalism, and just because I am anti-ponyist doesn't mean I hate ponies. It just meansI disagree with their political views. But they have as much right to have those views as me or anyone else.

And bear in mind that the Hippostanian communist party are housed in New Sangheilios, where we are hiding them from CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BASED ON POLITICAL OPINION!

It is beside the point because the Imperialism argument is in no contact with reality. Specifically,

1. Ponyist imperialism is in action
2. More and more states as a rule are forced to adopt ponyism as state ideology, exponentially in the pursuit of colonies for the GPH
3. Most of this are persuaded under either the point of the sword or severe economical sanctions

But

1. The fact that ponyist imperialism is in action has been refuted
2. There are no states that even adopts real ponyism, especially not exponentially. And as to our knowledge, none is the colony, official or unofficial of GPH
3. None of these nations that even adopted ponyism did it after the CoPS threatened to invade unless they adopted ponyism

Ipso facto, the argument that ponyism imperialism is in action has no basis in real facts. Ergo, there is no ponyist imperialism, therefore the New Sangheilios delegate is in error. Quod erat demonstrandum.

But...my argument was specifically that Ponyist Imperialism is not in action...
Communist Imperialism is not in action, but it still exists.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It is beside the point because the Imperialism argument is in no contact with reality. Specifically,

1. Ponyist imperialism is in action
2. More and more states as a rule are forced to adopt ponyism as state ideology, exponentially in the pursuit of colonies for the CoPS
3. Most of this are persuaded under either the point of the sword or severe economical sanctions

But

1. The fact that ponyist imperialism is in action has been refuted
2. There are no states that even adopts real ponyism, especially not exponentially. And as to our knowledge, none is the colony, official or unofficial of CoPS
3. None of these nations that even adopted ponyism did it after the CoPS threatened to invade unless they adopted ponyism

Ipso facto, the argument that ponyism imperialism is in action has no basis in real facts. Ergo, ponyist imperialism is fiction, therefore the New Sangheilios delegate is in error. Quod erat demonstrandum.

But...my argument was specifically that Ponyist Imperialism is not in action...
Communist Imperialism is not in action, but it still exists.

Looking at facts here, or canst thee not see that there's a fundamental difference between fact and fiction? *delegate facepalms and mutters about IQ-liberation*

[Urmanian]

But...my argument was specifically that Ponyist Imperialism is not in action...
Communist Imperialism is not in action, but it still exists.

Apparently "imperialism" is nothing but a buzzword for you.

[YellowApple]

But...my argument was specifically that Ponyist Imperialism is not in action...
Communist Imperialism is not in action, but it still exists.

Apparently "imperialism" is nothing but a buzzword for you.

The point their delegation is attempting to make is that, although we are most certainly not an imperialist power, there is always the potential to become one, whether we intend it or not.

[Celritannia]

Aapplication for Observer Status

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Apparently "imperialism" is nothing but a buzzword for you.

The point their delegation is attempting to make is that, although we are most certainly not an imperialist power, there is always the potential to become one, whether we intend it or not.

Verdamnte ka und ka Scheisse. If they can agree to stop killing ponies and ponyists in any shape, form or thought, there will be certainly no need to attack them, and voila! No alleged ponyist imperialism, neither in fact or in fiction. Can we close this ignominious chapter now before I go insane?! Also, we recommend a positive vote on Celritannia.

[New Sangheilios]

The point their delegation is attempting to make is that, although we are most certainly not an imperialist power, there is always the potential to become one, whether we intend it or not.

Verdamnte ka und ka Scheisse. If they can agree to stop killing ponies and ponyists in any shape, form or thought, there will be certainly no need to attack them, and voila! No alleged ponyist imperialism, neither in fact or in fiction. Can we close this ignominious chapter now before I go insane?! Also, we recommend a positive vote on Celritannia.

Agreed. I'll leave and you'll hear no more about it.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Aapplication for Observer Status

Aye.

[YellowApple]

The point their delegation is attempting to make is that, although we are most certainly not an imperialist power, there is always the potential to become one, whether we intend it or not.

Verdamnte ka und ka Scheisse. If they can agree to stop killing ponies and ponyists in any shape, form or thought, there will be certainly no need to attack them, and voila! No alleged ponyist imperialism, neither in fact or in fiction. Can we close this ignominious chapter now before I go insane?! Also, we recommend a positive vote on Celritannia.

Precisely. We suggest that New Sangheilios be permitted to observe so that their delegation can provide yet another assurance that our activities are indeed not imperialist, thus removing any cause for military hostilities.

Also, YellowApple votes in favor of Celritannian membership.

[Eadesiopia]

Eadesiopia votes in favour of the following matters.

All membership applications. This extends to New Sangheilios. Although they are a member of AAPS they express a willingness to cooperate, and could potentially stand to be a mediator if CoPS and AAPS ever came to blows. Additionally to this, although the GPH makes good arguements against New Sangheilios, we cannot help but feel they are both arguing different points.

GPH being of the stance that pony imperialism doesn't exist
New Sangheilios being of the stance that it doesn't exist right now.

In accepting New Sangheilios we believe we could better educate them on the joys of ponyism, and perhaps enlighten them to the fact that, the very tennents of ponyist culture would prevent such imperialistic actions coming to pass.

It is also our belief that, if they are able to join as observers, while being a member of the AAPS we may be able to first and foremost establish communications with AAPS, whether GPH approves or not, we will have to deal with them sooner or later, and Eadesiopia would prefer it to be sooner. Surely as they have been civil thus far we should show some kindness and give them the benefit of the doubt. At least for a probationary period.

We do however feel that, for the time being at least they should not be allowed to join the military summit. Eadesiopia is honestly surprised that nations other than protectorates and full members were allowed to join in the first place. Military information should be kept within small circles, observers hold no obligation to maintain the secrets which might be talked about during the summit.

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Furthermore, on the topic of Hippostania, as a neighbouring nation we cannot help but feel a little off in terms of these current votes, we wouldn't want any bad blood to ruin relations.

However, it would be hippocritical of us to allow their plight against communism to go further. While we sit on our high horses (apologies for the term) and look down on those who ban ponyism, and threaten action against nations who plan to kill ponies for their beliefs, we allow one of our own to follow the same path of action, except replacing ponyism with communism. Communism being the political view which best expresses the element of generosity. While Eadesiopia is very much a capitalist nation we understand and acknowledge that communism exists for a reaason, and as such we would be willing to accept any communist refugees who are deported from hippostania.

We do not believe in stemming their rights to look down on communism, however outright banning of it and having any people showing communist tendencies thrown in jail is just that step too far.

I have contacted General Pad and he confirms the decisions stated. We hope this does not damage our relationship with our neighbours in Hippostania.

Signed Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills: Kai Maarks

PS

We are most sorry to hear of the destruction of her ladyships castle, if she is currently a target of any radical fringe groups we would be honoured to allow her temporary residence on Eadesiopian soil.

Aye on everything, and we're offering DaffyDill a temporary residence while she's being targetted

[Crystal Spires]

Minister of Foreign Relations Darrus Tethyr sat in a meeting of the Coalition of the Ponyist states and found himself dizzied by the many dueling personalities he saw throughout the room. They argued about the nature of this nebulous Anti Ponyist movement. Darrus could see no legitimate reason as to why there would be such diatribe from such benign creatures. Darrus was a racially a human minister, and he was brought up in Mephiste and then moved to Caltris watching the deteriorating conditions of ponies worldwide and gritting his teeth nervously as Krichen and Maven had played speed chess against genocidal regimes playing alone without allies against them. This move of entering the Coalition, he suspected was a strategic one made by the chessmaster himself who currently was sick and considering a brief stay in Lanos to consult the physicians there about a specific illness that affected avian demihumans. Maven was one of the few remainders of his ethnicity that survived the purges, so the medicine used to treat him was rare, and Lanos physicians claimed to have a treatment which Maven did not contest.

This however felt strange to Darrus, because it was a decision made after Hippostanian press called for the open assassination of leaders who were keeping Communists safe from their murderous hands. This would be the moment Darrus would have to make the controversial vote regarding Hippostania on Maven's behalf, On Crystal Spires's behalf, and Spirean position was incredibly clear. Spirean people are very religious, with the Ponyists believing in the Elements of Harmony, and the Mystrian Pantheists in the country believing mostly in the power of Justice, Qunari believing in the purpose of the Government being to govern not coerce, the Buddhists believing in Ahimsa of not harming, the Christians believing in the loving transformative power of Christ, Muslims believing in the upholding of peace, and every religion in Mystria being essentially against aggression and for charitable action, given that in Forntian Holy Law it is stated that protected rights are absolute even in the case of political parties and ideology, Darrus felt that the people would call this condemnation of Hippostania to be one that is common sense, but Darrus also had to address the elephant in the room. Something that Ponyists would not all agree on, and thus Darrus would approach the issue carefully.

"Members of the Coalition of Ponyist States, we of Crystal Spires wish to ask an important question regarding the position of the Coalition of Ponyist States on the Death Penalty being applied in the case of Diana Melo, a woman revealed to have exposed a leak in Hippostanian security." Darrus said as he folded his hands uncomfortably and wiped sweat from his forehead. "Is it not odd, that Hippostania has not investigated the origin of the leak in their security and is instead scapegoating the journalist for publishing her findings without revealing her source? A protection that reporters have in order to maintain their careers? Diana Melo is not a spy, she was not the origin of the information leak, and to call her a spy or a terrorist for publishing her findings is absurd. While we have a right to protect our citizens, we do not have a right to deprive them of others for crimes they did not commit. Revealing information findings from a source is not a crime, and it certainly isn't terrorism."

[Behntasha]

"It's disappointing to see so many turn away New Sangheilios, but such is the voice of the majority. I still think we should keep an eye on New Sangheilios, should they be attacked by the nutjobs at the AAPS for not taking a hardline stance on ponyism."

"With that said, with regards to Hippostanias execution of Diana Melo, we are rather concerned with a rather tyrannical act. I would certainly support a condemnation of this action. Being against the fundamental Elements of Harmony, it violates the kindness towards the reporter; though perhaps some indiscretion was shown in releasing sensitive data, the response was overly harsh and overtly a warning against future journalistic inquiries into Hippostania, thus hindering honesty. We would encourage the government of Hippostania to enact reforms in its criminal code. Until then, Behntasha will not extradite any prisoners accused of political crimes to Hippostania. To clarify, those who commit heinous crimes such as murder or rape will not be affected by this judgement. Only people such as journalists who are committed of crimes due to in their line of work and political opponents such as Communists will not be extradited."