The Coalition of Ponyist States (In-character); (UPDATED)

[Crystal Spires]

"You all have conveniently ignored what I said before '36% is indeed a largely concerning number. We should investigate those people who were killed and see for ourselves if Red Baron may have gone beyond his means and went too far. I have no problem if those he executed were slavers, but if there was an innocent person within those numbers, it makes it a miscarriage of justice. We approve of an investigation, but not a condemnation.' But I do thank you for taking what I haven't said and made it a weapon to be used out of context."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

[The Republic of Lanos]

Then while you can let murder of 36% of those not even convicted go, we won't. My nation has capital punishment but we only apply it to those convicted. This is state sanctioned murder beyond the pale. While you could be executed for slavery in Lanos, you will be if you commit such mass murder. If our government tried to do that, the military would have overthrown the national government for becoming unconstitutional and have restored democracy because of such a henious crime.

Freedom over tyranny.

"Jasper never said that all 36% were killed". He guard said

"well they either were Not convicted, tried and not convicted but Red killed them anyway, or they were just killed."

Please explain what Jasper said then when we first asked.

[Muffinvania]

"You all have conveniently ignored what I said before "36% is indeed a largely concerning number. We should investigate those people who were killed and see for ourselves if Red Baron may have gone beyond his means and went too far. I have no problem if those he executed were slavers, but if there was an innocent person within those numbers, it makes it a miscarriage of justice. We approve of an investigation, but not a condemnation. But I do thank you for taking what I haven't said and made it a weapon to be used out of context."

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High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

"High Chancellor Maven are you not a knight in the Order of the Glorious Song?" WaterLily tilted her head toward him and waited for his reply.

[Behntasha]

"Jasper never said that all 36% were killed". He guard said

"I know that around 64% of the slavers were tried and convicted in one of the imperiums many courtrooms. And only the Slavers themselves were killed, not the families.

"That seems to contradict earlier statements. Please clarify what EXACTLY happened then."

[Super Bwitain]

"Jasper never said that all 36% were killed". He guard said

"well they either were Not convicted, tried and not convicted but Red killed them anyway, or they were just killed."

Please explain what Jasper said then when we first asked.

"He said hey were either NOT CONVICTED, not convicted but killed anyway or just killed, please learn to listen."

[YellowApple]

"We abstain from voting on the issue of Super Bwitanian condemnation," Bastion noted solemnly. "We are fiercely opposed to the violation of an individual's sovereignty without just cause, and though slavery is certainly a violation of said sovereignty, so is the punishment of the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. We will not choose a lesser of two evils."

[The Republic of Lanos]

Please explain what Jasper said then when we first asked.

"He said hey were either NOT CONVICTED, not convicted but killed anyway or just killed, please learn to listen."

So they were just murdered? Really?

[Super Bwitain]

"Jasper never said that all 36% were killed". He guard said

"I know that around 64% of the slavers were tried and convicted in one of the imperiums many courtrooms. And only the Slavers themselves were killed, not the families.

"That seems to contradict earlier statements. Please clarify what EXACTLY happened then."

"64% of slavers were definatly tried and convicted, whilst the remaining 36% is unknown"

[Behntasha]

Please explain what Jasper said then when we first asked.

"He said hey were either NOT CONVICTED, not convicted but killed anyway or just killed, please learn to listen."

"So get us a statistic for how many were NOT convicted! I'm losing my patience with you damned Bwitainians!"

[Crystal Spires]

"High Chancellor Maven are you not a knight in the Order of the Glorious Song?" WaterLily tilted her head toward him and waited for his reply.

"I am. I am also a Forntian Knight of the Order of Idealists. If you're going to presume that there's an injustice to kill a slaver and that it counters the beliefs of the Order of the Glorious Song, allow me to make things clear. Slavery is too great an injustice and a betrayal of kindness to allow the Slavers any mercy. Justice must come first. AND ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY WEREN'T CONVICTED AT ALL? THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE? I CHANGE MY POSITION WHAT ON EARTH WAS HE THINKING?! I was under the impression that more than 60% were tried and convicted, and that about 37% were in question. "

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

[Celritannia]

"As I said before, what laws Crystal Spires is no concern of mine, nor any other nation. If it is against the law of your nation, and a full investigation and they are tried in Court of Justice, then people of that nation must follow them.

A nation of democracy, principles and morality should allow a group of people to be tried in a Court of Justice before any such verdict may be given. If Super Bwitain has laws against slavery which carries the death sentence, then they should have put those people into a Court to be tried, then executed. If not their actions seem to be one carried out by tyrannical dictatorships."

[Super Bwitain]

"He said hey were either NOT CONVICTED, not convicted but killed anyway or just killed, please learn to listen."

So they were just murdered? Really?

"Lord Jasper never said that, he has gone back to the Imperium to find out the exact details"

[Super Bwitain]

"He said hey were either NOT CONVICTED, not convicted but killed anyway or just killed, please learn to listen."

"So get us a statistic for how many were NOT convicted! I'm losing my patience with you damned Bwitainians!"

"That's what Lord Jasper has gone back to be Imperium to find out"

[Super Bwitain]

"High Chancellor Maven are you not a knight in the Order of the Glorious Song?" WaterLily tilted her head toward him and waited for his reply.

"I am. I am also a Forntian Knight of the Order of Idealists. If you're going to presume that there's an injustice to kill a slaver and that it counters the beliefs of the Order of the Glorious Song, allow me to make things clear. Slavery is too great an injustice and a betrayal of kindness to allow the Slavers any mercy. Justice must come first. AND ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY WEREN'T CONVICTED AT ALL? THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE? I CHANGE MY POSITION WHAT ON EARTH WAS HE THINKING?! I was under the impression that more than 60% were tried and convicted, and that about 37% were in question. "

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

" as I have said, Lord Jasper has gone back to the Imperium to find out"

[Muffinvania]

"High Chancellor Maven are you not a knight in the Order of the Glorious Song?" WaterLily tilted her head toward him and waited for his reply.

"I am. I am also a Forntian Knight of the Order of Idealists. If you're going to presume that there's an injustice to kill a slaver and that it counters the beliefs of the Order of the Glorious Song, allow me to make things clear. Slavery is too great an injustice and a betrayal of kindness to allow the Slavers any mercy. Justice must come first. AND ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY WEREN'T CONVICTED AT ALL? THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE? I CHANGE MY POSITION WHAT ON EARTH WAS HE THINKING?! I was under the impression that more than 60% were tried and convicted, and that about 37% were in question. "

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

WaterLily smiled and said in her gentle yet firm tone, " By accepting the knighthood you are bound to the ancient code of the Order of the Glorious Song, one of thse key tenants is the protection of the innocent, this her Ladyship feels after taking the throne applies to due process, Super Bwitain seems to have LOST 36% of it's legal cases and is "unaware" of what happened to said citizens, this seems highly unlikely unless Super Bwitain's filing system involved a lot of shredding of court documents..."

[Shrillland]

"The SPF also is concerned about the anomaly in the execution numbers." Orange Blossom said, "If they were not convicted, why were they executed?"

[Crystal Spires]

"I really think we should wait to conduct a condemnation or not until the investigation is completed. If it is discovered that they were done against the innocent, I believe we should make sure he pays for those murders, on the other hand if they were slavers, we oppose the condemnation."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

[Super Bwitain]

"I am. I am also a Forntian Knight of the Order of Idealists. If you're going to presume that there's an injustice to kill a slaver and that it counters the beliefs of the Order of the Glorious Song, allow me to make things clear. Slavery is too great an injustice and a betrayal of kindness to allow the Slavers any mercy. Justice must come first. AND ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY WEREN'T CONVICTED AT ALL? THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE? I CHANGE MY POSITION WHAT ON EARTH WAS HE THINKING?! I was under the impression that more than 60% were tried and convicted, and that about 37% were in question. "

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High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

WaterLily smiled and said in her gentle yet firm tone, " By accepting the knighthood you are bound to the ancient code of the Order of the Glorious Song, one of thse key tenants is the protection of the innocent, this her Ladyship feels after taking the throne applies to due process, Super Bwitain seems to have LOST 36% of it's legal cases and is "unaware" of what happened to said citizens, this seems highly unlikely unless Super Bwitain's filing system involved a lot of shredding of court documents..."

" Well seeing as this was an act carried out without the notifying Jasper, WHO HAS BEEN HERE THE ENTIRE TIME, I doubt he would know the exact statistics" The guard exclamied.

[Muffinvania]

"I really think we should wait to conduct a condemnation or not until the investigation is completed. If it is discovered that they were done against the innocent, I believe we should make sure he pays for those murders, on the other hand if they were slavers, we oppose the condemnation."

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High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

WaterLily giggled, "Well I hope for all our sakes that this elusive 36% appears...underground secret filing cabinets are notoriously difficult to find when you need them..." WaterLily sat back down and whispered into her recorder once more.

[Shrillland]

"It does not matter if they were alleged slavers," Orange Blossom said, "Those who are believed to commit crimes must be proven guilty and given a fair trial, no matter what the crime. We have done so with the Archbishops that did wrong in our nation, and all nations should hold themselves to this standard."

[Celritannia]

"It does not matter if they were alleged slavers," Orange Blossom said, "Those who are believed to commit crimes must be proven guilty and given a fair trial, no matter what the crime. We have done so with the Archbishops that did wrong in our nation, and all nations should hold themselves to this standard."

"Agreed." Prince Octavius nodded to Orange Blossom.

[Dilange]

Ian stood up.

"I know this doesnt have to do with the matters at hand, but the GWO is having its own problems with the safety of pony civilians throughout its border. Massive riots and killings have taken place all over. We are trying desperately to stop it but all seems lost." Ian said.

[Crystal Spires]

"The majority of the numbers we know about were convicted of their crimes so the due process is instead on those foggy 36%. We await in earnest that the answers be delivered. 'Tis a strange thing that such knowledge is not readily known. How exactly do you file, electronically or by paper? If by paper perhaps we should discuss the Z-Net network from Aldron Technologies."

High Chancellor Maven Auryn

Leader of Crystal Spires

[Celritannia]

Ian stood up.

"I know this doesnt have to do with the matters at hand, but the GWO is having its own problems with the safety of pony civilians throughout its border. Massive riots and killings have taken place all over. We are trying desperately to stop it but all seems lost." Ian said.

"if the GWO allows such, and His Imperial Majesty agrees, then Celritannia opens its Eastern Lands to any such ponies of the GWO, or indeed any nation for that matter, as a means to refugee. The Eastern Lands is mostly unpopulated, so no Citizen of the Empire will be affected greatly."

[The Republic of Lanos]

Let's hope we can find out what really happened...this situation reminds me of a certain fight song. If we have to get to action, it would be most certainly blared across the lands.