The Coalition of Ponyist States (OOC, Membership Open!)

[Rupudska]

Celestia's reaction to Pinkie's parasprite parade and the expression on her face when she saw the chaos at the Gala, suggest to me that she can be caught by surprise. Not to mention failing to foresee Nightmare Moon's first rise.Logic says she's not omniscient by any stretch of the word, and she's more powerful than her sister.

Cocaine Pinkie Pie is one hell of a drug pony. She is an exception.

[Crystal Spires]

also the NS Princess Luna RPs Luna as a near omniscient and omnipotent deity, so that's NS canon

God mods exist. You know that, and acting as an omniscient deity isn't really feasible in NS either without being a God modder extraordinaire.

And yes it can

Pinkie Pie's behaviour cannot be predicted even by somepony who's omniscient

Are you saying that an omniscient deity doesn't know something? Then they're not omniscient.

[Imeriata]

[quote="Urmanian";p="7537314"]Actually, when I think of ponies in Imeriata, this is basically the only image I get in my mind:

pity the pony maker doesn't have tricornes though[/qoute]
hmm... Allright from this moment so do all Imerian ponies have White or yellowish skin, yellow (with the odd red or brown) mane and tail, and blue eyes!

Ought to stop Eugenics professors from having mental breakdowns trying to make sense of the Imerian pony race!

[Immoren]

Specialist doctor is god-tier character.

Wrong Eila.

Sorry couldn't resist.

[Urmanian]

God mods exist. You know that, and acting as an omniscient deity isn't really feasible in NS either without being a God modder extraordinaire.

Luna somehow manages to pull that off without godmodding, though she often has to limit herself

Are you saying that an omniscient deity doesn't know something? Then they're not omniscient.

That's Pinkie Pie we're talking about, logic and laws of the universe mean nothing

[Crystal Spires]

No no, you throw out logic, you throw out consistency, and then you throw out canon. It's clear that Celestia knows much about the nature of reality, as does Luna, but they're not omniscient.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Can we drop the idea before all of us gets involved in the semantics of Luna having fillies and colts and that would lead to a meltdown of the internets?

Come on...We can't see God on NS but we can see Luna...

[Urmanian]

Come on...We can't see God on NS but we can see Luna...

I'm sure there should be a God nation out there

No no, you throw out logic, you throw out consistency, and then you throw out canon. It's clear that Celestia knows much about the nature of reality, as does Luna, but they're not omniscient.

What's the mad for? You want to have an alicorn character, okay. Unless Lauren Faust creates a nation and clarifies everything, we have no way to know, as such there ought to be different canons, some of them conflicting.

[The Irish Marchlands]

This thread was on page 34 last time I checked about an hour or so again, how in the hell did it jump this fast?

[Crystal Spires]

What's the mad for? You want to have an alicorn character, okay. Unless Lauren Faust creates a nation and clarifies everything, we have no way to know, as such there ought to be different canons, some of them conflicting.

Who said anything about mad? The princesses' powers are immense, but they are not omnipotent as their subjects like to think Celestia could sense evil that is growing, but she did not know what it was. Her powers did not extend past the borders of Equestria. I don't like it when people jump past Canon because I like the actual story as it is. Is that bad?

[Urmanian]

Her powers did not extend past the borders of Equestria.

Then Princess Luna and Magical Equestria, heck, even me have no place in NS canon? Okay.

[Eadesiopia]

yes, yes it is. Also general Pad isnt' exactly directly related to the regal sisters. If we assume that they must have had parents, and going by my random theory that alicorns naturally have insane lifespans due to concentration of magic, then their parents were probably around many thousands of years ago.

By that logic, Celestia and Luna may have had brothers and isters who they merely outlived by a few millenia. Those brothers and sisters would have reproduced etc, and probably form a large amount of the pony aristocracy. Its through one of these lines which General Pad was born.

And I limited Pad purely through removal of his horn, and with it most of his magic.

[The Republic of Lanos]

yes, yes it is. Also general Pad isnt' exactly directly related to the regal sisters. If we assume that they must have had parents, and going by my random theory that alicorns naturally have insane lifespans due to concentration of magic, then their parents were probably around many thousands of years ago.

By that logic, Celestia and Luna may have had brothers and isters who they merely outlived by a few millenia. Those brothers and sisters would have reproduced etc, and probably form a large amount of the pony aristocracy. Its through one of these lines which General Pad was born.

And I limited Pad purely through removal of his horn, and with it most of his magic.

So, somehow, there are alicorns floating around out there?

[Crystal Spires]

Fact is, to presuppose beyond canon is too much, and to assume omniscience where it doesn't exist is silly. It can be irksome and tiresome because it makes whatever "supposed omniscient" characters say overrule the rest of other characters just by nature of being omniscient which is very god mod nasty. Especially when they're unfounded statements about political systems that the player doesn't know about. I'm not saying they don't have a place in NS, I'm saying that this has to be fair, and canonical at least to the extent that it is believable.

[Crystal Spires]

Also What Eadesiopia said makes sense. There would have to be many Alicorns also because of the nature of the universe having many suns and moons, there's be many more. Assuming the omnipresence of them when it also doesn't fit canon doesn't make sense. They're also Regal Princesses, note, not Queens. This implies that Luna and Celestia have parents too.

[Urmanian]

Fact is, to presuppose beyond canon is too much, and to assume omniscience where it doesn't exist is silly. It can be irksome and tiresome because it makes whatever "supposed omniscient" characters say overrule the rest of other characters just by nature of being omniscient which is very god mod nasty. Especially when they're unfounded statements about political systems that the player doesn't know about. I'm not saying they don't have a place in NS, I'm saying that this has to be fair, and canonical at least to the extent that it is believable.

i don't remember ponies overthrowing goverments of human nations in the show, but i guess it's just my memory failing me

[Crystal Spires]

I'm talking about NS too... Are you mad?

[Lubyak]

yes, yes it is. Also general Pad isnt' exactly directly related to the regal sisters. If we assume that they must have had parents, and going by my random theory that alicorns naturally have insane lifespans due to concentration of magic, then their parents were probably around many thousands of years ago.

By that logic, Celestia and Luna may have had brothers and isters who they merely outlived by a few millenia. Those brothers and sisters would have reproduced etc, and probably form a large amount of the pony aristocracy. Its through one of these lines which General Pad was born.

And I limited Pad purely through removal of his horn, and with it most of his magic.

Which is mostly why I'm fine with General Pad being an alicorn. He has a believable and workable backstory, and he's not a god-mod thanks to the limit on his powers.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Can we please stop with this discussion before we lose this thread...?

[Crystal Spires]

I like General Pad too.

[Crystal Spires]

Can we please stop with this discussion before we lose this thread...?

Why? It's not spam, it's related to the topic.

[Urmanian]

I'm talking about NS too... Are you mad?

not in the slightest

my point is that almost anything pony-related in NS will be non-canon

well, unless someone from the show's team makes a nation

[Crystal Spires]

That would be amazing. Could you imagine?

If that is the case then the restrictions on Alicorns is a moot point isn't it?

[Urmanian]

If that is the case then the restrictions on Alicorns is a moot point isn't it?

that goes against my personal head canon so I will regard all alicorns besides Luna and Celestia as mutated freaks

sorry

[Crystal Spires]

that goes against my personal head canon so I will regard all alicorns besides Luna and Celestia as mutated freaks sorry

Your head canon which obviously doesn't match canon...?

Well that's fine by me, but I suppose it's fair to create a justification for those who don't follow your head canon, and I used canonical material to support my claims. Fair enough to say that at least I did my work for it, and I won't be offended or bothered if you consider anyone else as a freak for not adopting it. I'll be fair and say illogical to yours!