The Coalition of Ponyist States

[New Nassrau]

We were requesting you quit based on the idea that a prerequisite for joining LUNA was an embargo against Hippostania. As the embargo appears to have been adopted of LUNA members, but not enforced by LUNA, the issue is less a betrayal of a fellow CoPS member, and more of befriending people who are antagonistic towards him. Whilst this is indeed an awkward situation, I beleive it is one that you and Hippostania can sort out between yourselves, and does not require any CoPS action.

So, as far as I am concerned, membership of LUNA is easily compatible with membership of CoPS.

OOC: The Embargo is not LUNA. I AM PART OF LUNA AND I"M NOT EMBARGOING HIPPOSTAINIA. If Conclespia doesn't want to Embargo Hippostainia and has not hostility to Hippostainia why should he be kicked out of CoPs.

Exactly, it isn't LUNA who embargoed you Hippostania, it was just some of their nations

[Draconikus]

We were requesting you quit based on the idea that a prerequisite for joining LUNA was an embargo against Hippostania. As the embargo appears to have been adopted of LUNA members, but not enforced by LUNA, the issue is less a betrayal of a fellow CoPS member, and more of befriending people who are antagonistic towards him. Whilst this is indeed an awkward situation, I beleive it is one that you and Hippostania can sort out between yourselves, and does not require any CoPS action.

So, as far as I am concerned, membership of LUNA is easily compatible with membership of CoPS.

OOC: The Embargo is not LUNA. I AM PART OF LUNA AND I"M NOT EMBARGOING HIPPOSTAINIA. If Conclespia doesn't want to Embargo Hippostainia and has not hostility to Hippostainia why should he be kicked out of CoPs.

I beleive that's what I said. But thanks for providing the living proof.

[Ovisterra]

Ovisterra votes nay on Saurisia's membership.

[Saphirasia]

OOC: Why am I the only person to think that having Saur as an Observer is a good idea? It would set the precedent for other creature-based nations to apply, broadening the potential pool of applicants.

Also, know this: Should Saur's app be rejected, I will quit, then charge this organization with discrimination on the basis of race.

[Urmanian]

Also, know this: Should Saur's app be rejected, I will quit, then charge this organization with discrimination on the basis of race.

Saur's dominant race has little to do with votes against him, but Saur's support of pony genocide, on the other hand... Mayhaps Saphirasia supports pony genocide as well?

[Saphirasia]

Also, know this: Should Saur's app be rejected, I will quit, then charge this organization with discrimination on the basis of race.

Saur's dominant race has little to do with votes against him, but Saur's support of pony genocide, on the other hand... Mayhaps Saphirasia supports pony genocide as well?

No. We do not support genocide of any kind. This country was founded by people who were escaping one such attempt. I would also like to review the evidence that you base your claim on.

[Urmanian]

No. We do not support genocide of any kind. This country was founded by people who were escaping one such attempt. I would also like to review the evidence that you base your claim on.

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OOC: Ignore cannons profoundly fired at the thread, but still, admitting Saurisia into CoPS now is like admitting the Third Reich into some kind of a Zionist organisation.

[Krumbia]

Not even sure if Observers get to vote, but for the lolz, I say Nay to Saurisia's entry following evidence presented by Urmanian.

[Urmanian]

Well, I think we may let Saurasia in, provided it uses its influence to have an impact on Whairtia, or at least recalls its support of Whairtia's atrocities.

[Saphirasia]

I can find no evidence that the nation of Saurisisia supported the nation of Whartia. Sending the carrier was a dual-purpose deterrent which was ignored by Whartia. Most of the character posts show that the government was in fact revolted by their actions.

Therefore, based upon the evidence you provided, my statement still stands.

[Urmanian]

I can find no evidence that the nation of Saurisisia supported the nation of Whartia. Sending the carrier was a dual-purpose deterrent which was ignored by Whartia. Most of the character posts show that the government was in fact revolted by their actions.

Therefore, based upon the evidence you provided, my statement still stands.

any attempts to harm Whairtia or the Saurisian Carrier Group will result in us declaring war. Hopefully, that should be enough to deter the Ponies

[Saphirasia]

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Sending the carrier was a dual-purpose deterrent.

[Urmanian]

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Sending the carrier was a dual-purpose deterrent.

Then it does quite a bad job at deterring Whairtia from murdering ponies I say, yet it does provide Whairtia defence from the rightful wrath of the ponykind.

[Lubyak]

I can find no evidence that the nation of Saurisisia supported the nation of Whartia. Sending the carrier was a dual-purpose deterrent which was ignored by Whartia. Most of the character posts show that the government was in fact revolted by their actions.

Therefore, based upon the evidence you provided, my statement still stands.

The evidence provided by Urmanian is proof that Saurisia wished to protect the initiation of a genocide against pony citizens of the most horrible nature. The Dominion can not find any support for Saphirasia's claim that the sending of the carrier battlegroup somehow was meant to deter the actions of the Whartian government.

While the government of Saurisia may show no support for the Whartian actions, we myust remind the Coalition that actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the Saurisian government do not show support for pony kind.

[YellowApple]

If Saurisia could provide a statement clearly rejecting prior support of equine genocide, and evidence of its efforts to combat equine genocide either militarily or diplomatically, then we would be more accepting of the Saurisians as an observer. Until then, it's still nay from us.

The accusation that "nay"-voting nations are voting as such based on their dominant species is profoundly offensive and insulting to us YellowApplans, who have practiced unwavering, consistent, and equal acceptance of all cultures, races, species, nationalities, religions (or lack thereof), genders, sexual orientations, and socioeconomic classes throughout its entire history spanning a duration of nearly two centuries as a sovereign nation, especially when we even have citizens of reptilian descent with the same rights, freedoms, and opportunities as any citizen - human, equine, neko, reptilian, or otherwise.

[Saphirasia]

Then it does quite a bad job at deterring Whairtia from murdering ponies I say, yet it does provide Whairtia defence from the rightful wrath of the ponykind.

That is because Whartia foolishly ignored the possible repercussions of having a neutral carrier off of their shores. An entire naval fleet is not something to just brush off as lightly as they did. Should we make the first strike, yes, Saur will take their side, but should Saur be accepted, then if Whartia commits another atrocity, the Coalition (including the Observer nations) would be ready for war. But with Saur as an ally, not an enemy.

[YellowApple]

Then it does quite a bad job at deterring Whairtia from murdering ponies I say, yet it does provide Whairtia defence from the rightful wrath of the ponykind.

That is because Whartia foolishly ignored the possible repercussions of having a neutral carrier off of their shores. An entire naval fleet is not something to just brush off as lightly as they did. Should we make the first strike, yes, Saur will take their side, but should Saur be accepted, then if Whartia commits another atrocity, the Coalition (including the Observer nations) would be ready for war. But with Saur as an ally, not an enemy.

Do you have concrete evidence that the Saurisians would indeed align themselves with the Coalition of Ponyist States if the Coalition did indeed take military action against the Whartian regime?

[Urmanian]

That is because Whartia foolishly ignored the possible repercussions of having a neutral carrier off of their shores. An entire naval fleet is not something to just brush off as lightly as they did. Should we make the first strike, yes, Saur will take their side, but should Saur be accepted, then if Whartia commits another atrocity, the Coalition (including the Observer nations) would be ready for war. But with Saur as an ally, not an enemy.

Ah, whatever. The GPH takes a neutral stance on that and will wait until further communications from Saurisia.

(OOC: I feel bad for bringing that thread up, can we please please please demolish it with our collective ignore cannons as it's a worst case of this.)

[Lubyak]

That is because Whartia foolishly ignored the possible repercussions of having a neutral carrier off of their shores. An entire naval fleet is not something to just brush off as lightly as they did. Should we make the first strike, yes, Saur will take their side, but should Saur be accepted, then if Whartia commits another atrocity, the Coalition (including the Observer nations) would be ready for war. But with Saur as an ally, not an enemy.

Do you have concrete evidence that the Saurisians would indeed align themselves with the Coalition of Ponyist States if the Coalition did indeed take military action against the Whartian regime?

Indeed. The actions of Saurisia seem to indicate to the Dominion that they are more ready to take the side of a nation ruled by their own species rather than with the Coalition.

[Saphirasia]

I also suggest henceforth that we also consider this Coalition of Ponyist States to be banded together in more than merely name. I urge member nations to stand together and help one another grow and prosper, whether that should come from banding together as a force when one nation is attacked, or giving fellow member nations some form of precedent economically, to merely sharing signs of goodwill and encouraging friendship between our citizens and ourselves.

The evidence is there is the charter. If one of our nations is attacked, or a gross violation of basic rights is committed, the nations of the Coalition are bound to stand together. No such alliance is in place between Whartia and Saurisisia.

[Urmanian]

No such alliance is in place between Whartia and Saurisisia.

A reptilian nation is fighting against mammals! Boy, do I wonder what side would Saurisia take!

[Saphirasia]

No such alliance is in place between Whartia and Saurisisia.

A reptilian nation is fighting against mammals! Boy, do I wonder what side would Saurisia take!

Yet he asked for a partial alliance with us. He has done no such action with Whartia.
The precedent may yet be proven false. I will stand firm until he proves me wrong.

[YellowApple]

I also suggest henceforth that we also consider this Coalition of Ponyist States to be banded together in more than merely name. I urge member nations to stand together and help one another grow and prosper, whether that should come from banding together as a force when one nation is attacked, or giving fellow member nations some form of precedent economically, to merely sharing signs of goodwill and encouraging friendship between our citizens and ourselves.

The evidence is there is the charter. If one of our nations is attacked, or a gross violation of basic rights is committed, the nations of the Coalition are bound to stand together. No such alliance is in place between Whartia and Saurisisia.

The wording does not indicate mandatory military support among all members of the Coalition, but rather a recommendation that all member nations cooperate politically and economically. Additionally, it is unclear whether observer nations would be bound to the same principles as those with full membership, and as Saurisia would be an observer, this means that there are now two reasons why the Saurisians would not be obligated to help us even if they were accepted into the Coalition.

We will, again, require concrete evidence, either through their own actions or through diplomatic statement, indicating that Saurisia, if faced with the decision between Whartia and the Coalition of Ponyist States, would choose the latter before we could consider reversing our own opposition. Though we do not have any control over the decisions of the other member nations and their representatives, it would seem logical that others would do the same if you could provide such evidence. Otherwise, the only evidence that is present is that of the Saurisians pledging to defend Whartia from those opposing the latter nation's genocidal acts.

[Sol Bella]

(OOC: Just wanted to say, we were mentioned on TVtropes.org's page on Nationstates. Good job, everypony, we've become well-known enough to have articles outside of NS. I wonder if NSwiki has anythign on us...)

[Saphirasia]

(OOC: Just wanted to say, we were mentioned on TVtropes.org's page on Nationstates. Good job, everypony, we've become well-known enough to have articles outside of NS. I wonder if NSwiki has anythign on us...)

OOC: Imeriata even got mentioned BY NAME.
We need to work harder at this.
Edit: Lyras, too. Will find more of them and edit this.
OLTHAR got mention!? Dude.