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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:21 pm

Not even 20% of the WA voted. You'll never have a real majority no matter how many runoffs occur.
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Postby Insaeldor » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:21 pm

Reti wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:What is fair about winning without holding the Peoples' Majority? This rejoicing by the Communists only reinforces our claims of your two-facedness and falseness, choosing to take a false victory rather than advocating for a true Peoples' Choice right alongside us. If you truly are here for the people and their empowerment, would you not have faith that a majority would pick you?

I just don't see a reason to retake the votes, if you put it between just two candidates people are going to choose what they've been conditioned to believe is the lesser of the two evils. You're effectively taking away even more choice... But actually I still think we'd win. Either way, it's just satire bro. Caelapes already has his badge... I don't think this will be retaken regardless.

If he's going to win, and this is satire. than there should be no issue with a runoff.
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Postby Atealia » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:22 pm

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Atealia wrote:Most people don't read the forums.

Most people look at the names of the latest forum topic from time to time and they never see the word Caelapes there, the word Redo and Salaxalans appears alot, so we would win. Not that it matters, this is all over a shiny badge.... yay

That's a damn weak argument for why your candidate would win but whatever. Like you said it's for a shiny badge. That being said, today Caelapes has earned the shiniest of badges!
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Postby Gatito » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:22 pm


Wrong. The real winner is democracy.
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Postby The United Empire of New Missouri » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:23 pm

Better dead than red!
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Postby Applebania » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:23 pm

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Postby Mussolinis Blackshirts Army » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:24 pm

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Postby Communist EU » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:24 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Given the lack of a majority attained by Caelapes, we at The Salaxalans campaign would like to see a run-off election done between the Top 2 candidate so we can see a candidate with with a true majority of the vote.

The problem is our comrade is secretary general. Also, we haven't set up a Congress/assembly based on proportional representation yet. Lastly, after our reforms, as promised, the decentralisation of the secretariat could be in the form of all power to the assembly, at that point the Bonapartist position of the secretariat will be abolished.
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Postby Insaeldor » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:25 pm

Gatito wrote:

Wrong. The real winner is democracy.

obviously, because a democratic system is meant to be one by people with less than the majority approval of those who voted. He has no clear majority so and only obtained a plurality of votes casted.
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Postby Communist EU » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:25 pm

The United Empire of New Missouri wrote:Better dead than free red!

fixed. :p
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Postby The United Empire of New Missouri » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:28 pm

Communist EU wrote:
The United Empire of New Missouri wrote:Better dead than red!

Fixed :p
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Postby Lonograd » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:29 pm

someone's butt hurt that they lost.
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Postby District XIV » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:30 pm

Communist EU wrote:
The United Empire of New Missouri wrote:Better dead than free red!

fixed. :p

You're right. Free to be slaughtered by a horrific regime for standing up to its totalitarian values. Free to be enslaved by the new bourgeois as they proclaim that your slavery is necessary to generate the fruits of the peoples' will. Free to be silenced by the state, as they fear your voice standing up for true freedom. Free to serve in the military of the totalitarian regime, that enslaves its soldiers to fight for the unconventional values prescribed in a few books by a German guy over a hundred years ago and revised by gruesome revolutionaries over the decades.

Yeah, how about no.

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Postby Atealia » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:31 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
Gatito wrote:Wrong. The real winner is democracy.

obviously, because a democratic system is meant to be one by people with less than the majority approval of those who voted. He has no clear majority so and only obtained a plurality of votes casted.

And if he wins a runoff? Assuming we did a runoff it's entirely possible Caelapes would win again considering a large amount of Kaalmi supporters were leftists that followed the joke. Raiders would like prefer someone who has a less harsh view of raiding than the others. Really this argument falls apart the moment you stop assuming that everyone who didn't vote for Caelapes was voting against him rather than for their candidate.
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Postby Insaeldor » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:35 pm

Lonograd wrote:someone's butt hurt that they lost.

and you don't think that the others would demand a runoff if the situation was reversed?

Atealia wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:obviously, because a democratic system is meant to be one by people with less than the majority approval of those who voted. He has no clear majority so and only obtained a plurality of votes casted.

And if he wins a runoff? Assuming we did a runoff it's entirely possible Caelapes would win again considering a large amount of Kaalmi supporters were leftists that followed the joke. Raiders would like prefer someone who has a less harsh view of raiding than the others. Really this argument falls apart the moment you stop assuming that everyone who didn't vote for Caelapes was voting against him rather than for their candidate.

It's about Caelapes winning, its about the fact that only a plurality of votes were obtained by a candidate in a notably flawed voting system such as the First Past The Post system. If Caelapes wins, he wins. but he should win in a fair contest where we can determine the winner definitively with a clearly majority of votes given to one or the other. Their are very few truly democratic nations that would except the fact that their executive was elected with only 40% of the vote.
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Postby Aduran » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:36 pm

I agree. But even if you had a runoff, I think Caelapes would still win.

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Postby District XIV » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:38 pm

Aduran wrote:I agree. But even if you had a runoff, I think Caelapes would still win.

Meh. Caelapes really only appealed to leftists on NS; whilst Salax' campaign appealed to people from different sides of the spectrum. Salax could attain votes from NewTexas, Kaalmi and even TBH, whilst Caelapes might be able to get the leftist wing of Kaalmi's and TBH's campaign.

It would be interesting to see, even if it probably won't happen.
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Postby Atealia » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:40 pm

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Aduran wrote:I agree. But even if you had a runoff, I think Caelapes would still win.

Meh. Caelapes really only appealed to leftists on NS; whilst Salax' campaign appealed to people from different sides of the spectrum. Salax could attain votes from NewTexas, Kaalmi and even TBH, whilst Caelapes might be able to get the leftist wing of Kaalmi's and TBH's campaign.

It would be interesting to see, even if it probably won't happen.

I personally would like to see it. Probably wont happen but it would be interesting.
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Postby Voltrovia » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:13 pm

Aduran wrote:I agree. But even if you had a runoff, I think Caelapes would still win.


Let them win in a fully democratic contest.
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Postby Greater European empire » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:16 pm

I 19th this just demand

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Postby Custadia » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:40 pm

We would appreciate it if you all started to refer to each other as "Comrades", considering our new and just leadership.

We would also appreciate it if you stopped all of this nonsense about another election-after all, losing an election is no justification for redoing it.

Perhaps you ought to smile a bit more. Be happy. After all, we're here to help, to lift humanity out of this depraved pit it's dug itself into and welcome it onto a new landscape of friendship, charity and joy.

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Postby Ararat Mountain » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:42 pm

I 20th, this was not true democracy, but what can we expect from a commie?
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Postby District XIV » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:45 pm

Custadia wrote:We would appreciate it if you all started to refer to each other as "Comrades", considering our new and just leadership.

We would also appreciate it if you stopped all of this nonsense about another election-after all, losing an election is no justification for redoing it.

Perhaps you ought to smile a bit more. Be happy. After all, we're here to help, to lift humanity out of this depraved pit it's dug itself into and welcome it onto a new landscape of friendship, charity and joy.)

I'm all good.

I do, however, appreciate the irony of the supporters of the "people's ideology" thinking a plurality victory by just 246 votes represents the people's will.
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