by Mallorea and Riva » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:30 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:42 pm
by Mallorea and Riva » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:45 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:30 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:It's still under discussion with my fellow mods on that point. One concern is that people will try and shop around for mods who may appear more sympathetic to their cause etc which is something to be avoided.
by Glen-Rhodes » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:56 pm
by Yedmnrutika Gavr » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:09 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:26 pm
by John Turner » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:17 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:It's still under discussion with my fellow mods on that point. One concern is that people will try and shop around for mods who may appear more sympathetic to their cause etc which is something to be avoided.
John Turner wrote:Oh.... And it wasn't drafted on the forums. That makes it automatically illegal, doesn't it?
by The Blaatschapen » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:10 pm
Yedmnrutika Gavr wrote:sometimes transparency is a good thing and in this case it fits the bill. however, i think the dissenting opinion's writer should be revealed also. shopping around for sympathetic opinions could be dealt with separately.
by Nobreloen » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:39 pm
by Yedmnrutika Gavr » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:51 pm
The Blaatschapen wrote:Yedmnrutika Gavr wrote:sometimes transparency is a good thing and in this case it fits the bill. however, i think the dissenting opinion's writer should be revealed also. shopping around for sympathetic opinions could be dealt with separately.
And what are your suggestions for dealing with that then?
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:53 am
John Turner wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:It's still under discussion with my fellow mods on that point. One concern is that people will try and shop around for mods who may appear more sympathetic to their cause etc which is something to be avoided.
I'm sorry, but how would it be possible to shop around for a mod? It has been stated by many times that any ruling comes from all the available mods that were available at the time.
by Mallorea and Riva » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:59 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:John Turner wrote:
I'm sorry, but how would it be possible to shop around for a mod? It has been stated by many times that any ruling comes from all the available mods that were available at the time.
Theoretically, the timing of the request could help. If you didn't want Ard to weigh in, for example, one could make a point of asking now, when she's busy with Real Life. Since theirs something of a pattern with moderator presence, it could be done. It just wouldn't be terribly efficient.
by Glen-Rhodes » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:54 am
by John Turner » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:34 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Theoretically, the timing of the request could help. If you didn't want Ard to weigh in, for example, one could make a point of asking now, when she's busy with Real Life. Since theirs something of a pattern with moderator presence, it could be done. It just wouldn't be terribly efficient.
This or the potential of people coming onto the emergency IRC channel and targeting a Mod. I personally am not overly worried about it, to be frank.
John Turner wrote:Oh.... And it wasn't drafted on the forums. That makes it automatically illegal, doesn't it?
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:37 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Would players be interested in having dissenting/minority opinions attached to rulings to open things up a bit more in terms of transparency?
by Bears Armed » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:38 am
by John Turner » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:48 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Transparency wouldn't be my concern here, so much as understanding the process. It's so difficult to get you guys to explain your rulings sometimes that seeing how you convinced each other might be helpful in allowing us to discern your mighty wisdom.
John Turner wrote:Oh.... And it wasn't drafted on the forums. That makes it automatically illegal, doesn't it?
by Frisbeeteria » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:15 pm
The Dark Star Republic wrote:This "shopping around for mods" idea you've conjured up continues to be a fiction. When has it ever happened?
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:28 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:The Dark Star Republic wrote:This "shopping around for mods" idea you've conjured up continues to be a fiction. When has it ever happened?
It's never been much of a factor in the GA, but it's a constant annoyance in the Game Mod back office. Mod A makes a ruling, which is then appealed. Mod B handles the initial appeal, which is then "final appealed". Mods C-F (and sometimes more) must then line up and review the two prior decisions ... which almost never ends it, as the offended party then tries to email admin to overturn the "clearly biased mods' opinions". We've got 2-3 DOS players who've been playing that game for literally years now. It's a colossal waste of time.
So no, it's not fiction. The Anonymous Hivemind approach of unified mods has been relatively effective gameside, so this would be a significant step beyond that.
by Christian Democrats » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:13 pm
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Sciongrad » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:53 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:I favor dissenting opinions.
Maybe, as a compromise, the top of a ruling could list the moderators who participated in it.
Participating Moderators: A, B, C, and D
Majority Opinion (anonymous)
Dissenting Opinion (anonymous)
by Elke and Elba » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:59 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:I favor dissenting opinions.
Maybe, as a compromise, the top of a ruling could list the moderators who participated in it.
Participating Moderators: A, B, C, and D
Majority Opinion (anonymous)
Dissenting Opinion (anonymous)
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
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