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The Committees Rule

For discussing a long-overdue overhaul of the Assembly's legislative protocols.

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The Ridings of Yorkshire
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Postby The Ridings of Yorkshire » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:34 am

If you cannot discriminate against members, could theocracies join the United Secular Example Nations Committee or an anti-vaxxer joining the Example Vaccine Distribution Committee?

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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:41 am

WA Committees don't contain representatives of any nations.
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John Turner
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Postby John Turner » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:28 am

Bears Armed wrote:WA Committees don't contain representatives of any nations.


Which is stupidity in itself. This whole idea of gnomes staffing committees instead of actual representatives of member nations detracts from the reality of the organization itself. Does the actual U.N. create androids that staff all of their committees?
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:34 am

Using the 'gnomes' rather than national representatives means that worries about committees showing bias, or acting corruptly, can simply be dismissed with "The Gnomes don't do that": Going over to national representatives (even leaving aside the question of how those nations would be chosen...) wouldn't let us dismiss the worries so easily.... so we might have to go into detail in each & every relevant proposal about how the committee[s] concerned would be made reliable enough, costing us a nasty chunk of the maximum length just for that detail...
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
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John Turner
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Postby John Turner » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:40 am

Bears Armed wrote:Using the 'gnomes' rather than national representatives means that worries about committees showing bias, or acting corruptly, can simply be dismissed with "The Gnomes don't do that": Going over to national representatives (even leaving aside the question of how those nations would be chosen...) wouldn't let us dismiss the worries so easily.... so we might have to go into detail in each & every relevant proposal about how the committee[s] concerned would be made reliable enough, costing us a nasty chunk of the maximum length just for that detail...


I don't agree. U.N.(General Assembly) resolutions don't state how committee members are to be chosen. That is all handled by the Secretariat. Now I can understand how the mods wouldn't want to be involved in that, so could one not simply pass a resolution laying out the guidelines on how committee members are to be chosen and it would all be handled automatically? It doesn't actually affect gameplay in itself, so nothing would actually break.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:37 am

John Turner wrote:so could one not simply pass a resolution laying out the guidelines on how committee members are to be chosen and it would all be handled automatically?

A resolution which could then be repealed, opening the issue once again. Unless mods are willing to amend Resolution 1, then nothing can be done on the topic without the possibility of reopening this contention.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:23 pm

Bears Armed wrote:WA Committees don't officially contain representatives of any nations.

Updated for accuracy.

I don't think we've ever restricted players from setting up committees and roleplaying them in the Diplomacy forums. We just don't give those roleplays any weight in terms of the actual game or metagame. My first and only RP here was based on a GA enforcement action (not technically a committee, but meh). We had fun but the underlying resolution wasn't affected in any way. If we name nations, we give them weight. That's the reason for the gnomes.

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Postby Mousebumples » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:51 pm

This rule wasn't in place (in this fashion, anyhow) when I passed my ULC resolution in the UN. It was in place when I repassed it in the WA. Not having to waste characters talking about how the committee was made up and elected and the like is another benefit of keeping this rule.
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