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Postby Picairn » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:09 am

Suikodan wrote:Odd how people, in a ''pseudo-political forum'', appear to be mostly failing to understand the 'problematic idea' behind the act of 'using your powers, on a pure whim, to mess with people under you', while seemingly uncaring for accountability.

Well. Looking at real-world politics. This is sadly not all that surprising.

(Also, so many people not freaking bothering to READ the messages further down beyond the first one, before throwing a pretty much copy-pasted empty reply.)

Odd how people, in a little game event that is completely optional, appear to be mostly failing to understand the 'problematic idea' behind the act of not getting a joke and then complaining endlessly about it, while seemingly uncaring for other people's explanations.

Well, looking at the real-world examples of grumpy, overly serious people who can't literally comprehend humor and fun, this is sadly not all that surprising.

Give me a break.
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Postby Destyntine » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:11 am

This was my first Z-day and I had a great time. The twists Max threw at us were indeed unexpected but I found them to be interesting. In an actual zombie apocalypse nothing is going to be handy-dandy and setbacks could surely happen. It's not like Max made it impossible to survive either, the changes affected everyone.

I honestly hope the next Z-day has some unexpected twists as well.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:11 am

Me not really engaging in the zombie events, those snarky-ass updates were the whole fun, for me.
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Postby Whitemore » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:20 am

I thought the little twists he threw at us were fun, plus they didn't really effect me much as the event was happening.
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Postby Suikodan » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:34 am

The New California Republic wrote:Or, now bear with me here, or they recognise how laughably absurd this whole accusation is, and thus they are treating it with the scorn that it deserves.

You must be a veeeery important man, for your words to be the words of all and everyone. Oh, what an honor.

Also, you will excuse me if I- and other people, surely- take *some* offence of having their freedom of choice be altered because it wasn't ''fun enough'' for the Big Guy above. Truly, shame on me for being opposed to such thing. -_-

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Postby Suikodan » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:38 am

Picairn wrote:Well, looking at the real-world examples of grumpy, overly serious people who can't literally comprehend humor and fun, this is sadly not all that surprising.
Give me a break.


You take a game and make it your personal playground.
You take a country, make it your playground. Play with the rules, like it's a game.

How are things in the USA ?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:43 am

Suikodan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Or, now bear with me here, or they recognise how laughably absurd this whole accusation is, and thus they are treating it with the scorn that it deserves.

You must be a veeeery important man, for your words to be the words of all and everyone. Oh, what an honor.

Also, you will excuse me if I- and other people, surely- take *some* offence of having their freedom of choice be altered because it wasn't ''fun enough'' for the Big Guy above. Truly, shame on me for being opposed to such thing. -_-

Whatever. If you want to be offended by a side event in a game then that's your prerogative, but don't be surprised when you come onto the forums with accusations of cheating and abuse of power and folk laugh at it. Seriously man I thought this thread was a parody until you kept running with it and then I thought "oh shit, this guy's actually serious..."
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Postby Holy Marsh » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:50 am

Oh no. Someone threw a curveball in a completely optional side activity. How awful. :roll:

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Postby Aeritai » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:28 am

It's the whole WA General Secretary drama all over again... Why do people need to start drama over a special mini event?
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:43 am

Aeritai wrote:It's the whole WA General Secretary drama all over again... Why do people need to start drama over a special mini event?

Because people love to be fucking whiny babies about shit that has literally zero affect on anything.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:45 am

Aeritai wrote:It's the whole WA General Secretary drama all over again... Why do people need to start drama over a special mini event?

Most folk enjoy the events, but there are always an inevitable few that nitpick at some aspect of it.
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Postby Kandorith » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:48 am

Suikodan wrote:
Picairn wrote:Well, looking at the real-world examples of grumpy, overly serious people who can't literally comprehend humor and fun, this is sadly not all that surprising.
Give me a break.


You take a game and make it your personal playground.
You take a country, make it your playground. Play with the rules, like it's a game.

How are things in the USA ?


You do know that the rules of Nationstates basically tell you that Nationstates IS Max Barry's playground... right?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:54 am

The Great Imperator Jeffrey wrote:He is just making a joke about people who are denying the fact that COVID is dangerous. He is insisting that quarantining and looking for a cure to the zombie virus is an overreaction, just as many irl are saying that we should end lockdowns.

This.
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:02 pm

Kandorith wrote:
Suikodan wrote:
You take a game and make it your personal playground.
You take a country, make it your playground. Play with the rules, like it's a game.

How are things in the USA ?


You do know that the rules of Nationstates basically tell you that Nationstates IS Max Barry's playground... right?

Yeah, and I really hate to say this, but there's the option of just leaving the game if you don't like how Max decided to mess around a bit with this silly minigame thing.

I mean that's an extreme example, but if you really think he was 'abusing his power' as the literal owner of the site, then that's an option.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:11 pm

Suikodan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Or, now bear with me here, or they recognise how laughably absurd this whole accusation is, and thus they are treating it with the scorn that it deserves.

You must be a veeeery important man, for your words to be the words of all and everyone. Oh, what an honor.

Also, you will excuse me if I- and other people, surely- take *some* offence of having their freedom of choice be altered because it wasn't ''fun enough'' for the Big Guy above. Truly, shame on me for being opposed to such thing. -_-

And Z-day no longer matters now that it is over. It's a harmless minigame that you could now opt out of via your setting page.
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Postby Suikodan » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:28 pm

Gandoor wrote:
Aeritai wrote:It's the whole WA General Secretary drama all over again... Why do people need to start drama over a special mini event?

Because people love to be fucking whiny babies about shit that has literally zero affect on anything.


Because there still people in this god damn world who cares about things that affect people, regardless of how ''small'' you think they are to 'You'.
Uncaring, laxism, sigh... Whatever with these people.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:37 pm

Suikodan wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Because people love to be fucking whiny babies about shit that has literally zero affect on anything.


Because there still people in this god damn world who cares about things that affect people, regardless of how ''small'' you think they are to 'You'.
Uncaring, laxism, sigh... Whatever with these people.

...again it's a side event in a game, it's hardly Earth-shattering in the grand scheme of things. This is Max's site, he can do what he likes with it within reason.
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Postby Ozzy » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:51 pm

The New California Republic wrote:...again it's a side event in a game, it's hardly Earth-shattering in the grand scheme of things. This is Max's site, he can do what he likes with it within reason.

You'd think people who been here for nearly a decade would understand that a long time ago. It's no secret in the slightest that Max Barry likes to prank us from time to time.

Suikodan wrote:Because there still people in this god damn world who cares about things that affect people, regardless of how ''small'' you think they are to 'You'.
Uncaring, laxism, sigh... Whatever with these people.

Sure, you are allowed to complain about the smallest things, but other people also reserve the right to call you out on how inane and trivial it is. It's a matter of subjectivity and you know that, yet you are attacking people for it anyway. Sorry it bothers you, but you're crafting Mount Olympus from a molehill, besides, your region was placed at odds like every other safezone and it still prevailed.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Jebslund » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:43 pm

Suikodan wrote:
Picairn wrote:Well, looking at the real-world examples of grumpy, overly serious people who can't literally comprehend humor and fun, this is sadly not all that surprising.
Give me a break.


You take a game and make it your personal playground.
You take a country, make it your playground. Play with the rules, like it's a game.

How are things in the USA ?

Funny you should say that while bitching about Max pulling some clever political satire with the pandemic event that flew so far over your head that it has left the observable universe...
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Postby Suikodan » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:25 pm

Jebslund wrote:flew so far over your head that it has left the observable universe...

Because it comes out of your ''mouth'' doesn't make that attempt at a soft insult any true. But, think what you want.
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Postby Federative States of America » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:30 pm

Lmao literally what, Max is being a huge chad if anything here. He made a mockery of covid deniers in the cleverest way possible
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:31 pm

Suikodan wrote:Well. Looking at real-world politics. This is sadly not all that surprising.


Given it's a political simulator................................................

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Postby Ikania » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:37 pm

Suikodan wrote:
Picairn wrote:Well, looking at the real-world examples of grumpy, overly serious people who can't literally comprehend humor and fun, this is sadly not all that surprising.
Give me a break.


You take a game and make it your personal playground.
You take a country, make it your playground. Play with the rules, like it's a game.

How are things in the USA ?

The first rule of NationStates is that Max can do whatever he wants. This is widely accepted, because Max is wise; Max is good. Max is God.

You seem to be upset that the creator of this website, indeed the man behind this entire zombie event, has decided to spice it up by taking inspiration from current events and provide people with some entertainment through satire. The real question, to me, is why does this matter to you? You can claim it's a matter of principle, vis a vis "freedom" or whathaveyou, but if this is the hill you're choosing to die on, well, you must be fun at parties. Do you take umbrage with him satirizing the inept responses of governments around the world to COVID? If so, you're definitely not in the majority opinion here.
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:40 pm

Suikodan wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Because people love to be fucking whiny babies about shit that has literally zero affect on anything.


Because there still people in this god damn world who cares about things that affect people, regardless of how ''small'' you think they are to 'You'.
Uncaring, laxism, sigh... Whatever with these people.

It's. A. Fucking. Game.

Jesus Christ you sound like the type of person that would complain over not getting your 25 cents in change at the grocery store.

Seriously just take the L and move on instead of continuing this 'argument' that the literal owner of the site wanting to have fun and satirize shit was somehow 'abusing his power'.
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Postby Jebslund » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:57 pm

Suikodan wrote:
Jebslund wrote:flew so far over your head that it has left the observable universe...

Because it comes out of your ''mouth'' doesn't make that attempt at a soft insult any true. But, think what you want.
You can be perfectly aware of something, while being opposed to a 'part' of that something.

No, it's pretty damned clear that you didn't get the joke. It's not an insult, it's a statement of fact.

Max wasn't cheating. He wasn't abusing his power. He was taking a shot at Covid deniers in general and, I suspect, the US Federal Government's mishandling of the pandemic specifically (some of those bits of snark in the news just fit too perfectly), but you missed the point and now you wanna bitch about it and then talk shit to everyone pointing out the joke you missed. Grow up, get some perspective, and take the fucking joke for what it was: much-needed satirical mischief in a world gone mad and hurtling toward the end of civilization if we don't wise up and, indeed, lighten up.
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