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Mr Zombie
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Postby Mr Zombie » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:58 pm

Conelania wrote:I mean, if they don't bite you, then yes, they deserve all basic rights. If they can still bite, they don't deserve a lot of rights, but they should at least have the right to have a life.


So people who bite don't deserve human rights? Wow, my little brother bite me, and he wasn't even a zombie! Guess he doesn't get rights by your standards.
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Neue Coolidge
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Postby Neue Coolidge » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:59 pm

All zombies should be granted life.

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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:02 pm

Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Zombies in most contexts are no more aware of their surroundings or capable of giving consent than living people in comas; arguably the same rights should be extended to each until retrieving them from their altered state becomes feasible.

So people in comas don't deserve rights?
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Postby Mr Zombie » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:05 pm

Troyskova wrote:
Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Zombies in most contexts are no more aware of their surroundings or capable of giving consent than living people in comas; arguably the same rights should be extended to each until retrieving them from their altered state becomes feasible.

So people in comas don't deserve rights?


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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:07 pm

Mr Zombie wrote:
Troyskova wrote:So people in comas don't deserve rights?


Humans are so savage! This is why we must spread the gift of the infection to all, enlightenment is just a bite away!

Humans should be able to choose if they want to be infected or not
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Postby Skyhooked » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:08 pm

Yeah, sure! But they have to be civilized. Nah, that's easy, they just must refrain from biting or hitting random people just to munch their brains or something like that. Otherwise... they bite, we shoot!
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Postby Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:08 pm

Troyskova wrote:
Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Zombies in most contexts are no more aware of their surroundings or capable of giving consent than living people in comas; arguably the same rights should be extended to each until retrieving them from their altered state becomes feasible.

So people in comas don't deserve rights?

I don't suspect they should be allowed to, say, drive cars or something.

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Mr Zombie wrote:
Humans are so savage! This is why we must spread the gift of the infection to all, enlightenment is just a bite away!

Humans should be able to choose if they want to be infected or not

Sure, and since zombies as is aren't capable of making a decision, they need to be periodically raised to that level of awareness so that they have the choice to continue as zombies or not.
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:10 pm

Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:
Troyskova wrote:So people in comas don't deserve rights?

I don't suspect they should be allowed to, say, drive cars or something.

They should be given the right to live lives like any other human! That is a start, however
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Postby Mr Zombie » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:11 pm

Troyskova wrote:
Mr Zombie wrote:
Humans are so savage! This is why we must spread the gift of the infection to all, enlightenment is just a bite away!

Humans should be able to choose if they want to be infected or not


Zombies should have the choice to infect others if they want! Spreading the gift of infection is our obligation for the betterment of zombie kind and bringing world peace through zombification. All will be one in the horde, there is no pain in the infection, only immortality.
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Postby Kongoland » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:13 pm

Zombies are very similar to some humans in a number of ways, such as lacking basic morals (psychopaths) and lacking basic intelligence (imbeciles). Their equal status physically must be recognised with an equal status legally.
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:13 pm

Kongoland wrote:Zombies are very similar to some humans in a number of ways, such as lacking basic morals (psychopaths) and lacking basic intelligence (imbeciles). Their equal status physically must be recognised with an equal status legally.

I like your thinking
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Postby Greater Saint-Paul » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:14 pm

No rights for zombie сукаs, cure or kill them!
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Postby MTF Epsilon 11 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:16 pm

Mr Zombie wrote:
Troyskova wrote:Humans should be able to choose if they want to be infected or not


Zombies should have the choice to infect others if they want! Spreading the gift of infection is our obligation for the betterment of zombie kind and bringing world peace through zombification. All will be one in the horde, there is no pain in the infection, only immortality.

SCP-007 instance spotted!

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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:17 pm

Greater Saint-Paul wrote:No rights for zombie сукаs, cure or kill them!

how could you? They have families!
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Postby Spearos » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:17 pm

Only one right: To be cured

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Postby MTF Epsilon 11 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:17 pm

Troyskova wrote:
Greater Saint-Paul wrote:No rights for zombie сукаs, cure or kill them!

how could you? They have families!

SCP 007 infectee spotted, engaging!

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Postby Greater Saint-Paul » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:19 pm

Troyskova wrote:
Greater Saint-Paul wrote:No rights for zombie сукаs, cure or kill them!

how could you? They have families!

You’re telling me the host if a virus, only focused in spreading until the last human is dead, can have families? They don’t have a brain for Christ sake! They must be cured, and if that’s not possible, then put out of their misery

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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:19 pm

Greater Saint-Paul wrote:
Troyskova wrote:how could you? They have families!

You’re telling me the host if a virus, only focused in spreading until the last human is dead, can have families? They don’t have a brain for Christ sake! They must be cured, and if that’s not possible, then put out of their misery

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Postby Mr Zombie » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:22 pm

Kongoland wrote:Zombies are very similar to some humans in a number of ways, such as lacking basic morals (psychopaths) and lacking basic intelligence (imbeciles). Their equal status physically must be recognised with an equal status legally.


Humans are so violent, trying to change or kill us for being different! You are the ones with no morals, and lack of intelligence for your rejection of the gift of infection! All are one in the zombie horde, embrace immortal undead life, just one bite and you'll be hooked. The path is before you, fear or truth.
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Postby Narland » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:25 pm

Troyskova wrote:Do zombies fit the criteria to be granted basic civil rights? I believe they do. What are your thoughts?

As long as they can articulate that they are cognizant of the rights they purport to have and take the infinitive to register to vote at referendum for enfanchisement without literally biting the heads off of the poll workers, sure. Otherwise, no, just no.
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:28 pm

Narland wrote:
Troyskova wrote:Do zombies fit the criteria to be granted basic civil rights? I believe they do. What are your thoughts?

As long as they can articulate that they are cognizant of the rights they purport to have and take the infinitive to register to vote at referendum for enfanchisement without literally biting the heads off of the poll workers, sure. Otherwise, no, just no.

Yeah!
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Postby The Mechanicus » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:36 pm

+++Orders from the Magos Biologis+++

[MUTANT = ZOMBIE] are the result of [DESIGNATION = WARP] interference with Human biology. They should be contained for study into the ability of the demonic virus to spread, while other zombies should be exterminated by Skitarii forces. They are an affront to the Machine God, corrupted by foul demonic viruses and thus deserving of death to put them to rest. [IF EFFICIENCY LOST = >1% OF FORGE WORLD TOTAL EFFICIENCY], cure must be found to allow the former servant of the Machine God to return to work in his name. Skitarii forces are permitted to engage warp-tainted creatures with maximum prejudice in the meantime to ensure [MUTANT ATTACK =/= FURTHER LOSS OF EFFICIENCY]. [IF MUTANT = ZOMBIE], rights are not permitted, for they have been distorted against the Machine God's wishes by the Empyrean's corruption. [IF CURE = FOUND], praise the Omnissiah, and administer to ensure [EFFICIENCY GAIN = POSITIVE].

+++Hail the Omnissiah+++
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:36 pm

The Mechanicus wrote:
+++Orders from the Magos Biologis+++

[MUTANT = ZOMBIE] are the result of [DESIGNATION = WARP] interference with Human biology. They should be contained for study into the ability of the demonic virus to spread, while other zombies should be exterminated by Skitarii forces. They are an affront to the Machine God, corrupted by foul demonic viruses and thus deserving of death to put them to rest. [IF EFFICIENCY LOST = >1% OF FORGE WORLD TOTAL EFFICIENCY], cure must be found to allow the former servant of the Machine God to return to work in his name. Skitarii forces are permitted to engage warp-tainted creatures with maximum prejudice in the meantime to ensure [MUTANT ATTACK =/= FURTHER LOSS OF EFFICIENCY]. [IF MUTANT = ZOMBIE], rights are not permitted, for they have been distorted against the Machine God's wishes by the Empyrean's corruption. [IF CURE = FOUND], praise the Omnissiah, and administer to ensure [EFFICIENCY GAIN = POSITIVE].

+++Hail the Omnissiah+++

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Postby Peterloo » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:47 pm

As the “zombification” is the result of a virus (and one that can be cured) then it’s idiotic not to look at zombies as ill people, in my opinion. Like anyone suffering from an illness they should be treated and cured with the dignity and respect they deserve.

However the very nature of the virus does make it impossible to attain consent for medical acts, as well as having impacts on the organisation of society - so we have to adapt for the issue. Getting family approval and such simply cannot happen if the outbreak is to be stopped. The government should approach zombies as ill people, but do away with typical procedure in order to do what is best for everyone (this includes overlooking ideas of approval or religious opinion, etc).

Also, given the situation and the “desire” of the zombies to do harm it does seem like overlooking rights and implementing radical measure the use of lethal force on sight, cerfews, border closings and suchlike would be necessary.

So, kind of. But with the greater good in mind. We need to work towards curing them as they deserve, but this doesn’t mean we should oppose gunning down a few walkers. There’s a bigger picture.
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Postby HempThieves » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:50 pm

No citizen should expect natural human rights to begin with. The claim that zombies should is outrageous!!!!

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