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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:51 pm

No. Zombies are the scum of Earth, and must be treated like so. Aka with a bullet.
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:51 pm

Peterloo wrote:As the “zombification” is the result of a virus (and one that can be cured) then it’s idiotic not to look at zombies as ill people, in my opinion. Like anyone suffering from an illness they should be treated and cured with the dignity and respect they deserve.

However the very nature of the virus does make it impossible to attain consent for medical acts, as well as having impacts on the organisation of society - so we have to adapt for the issue. Getting family approval and such simply cannot happen if the outbreak is to be stopped. The government should approach zombies as ill people, but do away with typical procedure in order to do what is best for everyone (this includes overlooking ideas of approval or religious opinion, etc).

Also, given the situation and the “desire” of the zombies to do harm it does seem like overlooking rights and implementing radical measure the use of lethal force on sight, cerfews, border closings and suchlike would be necessary.

So, kind of. But with the greater good in mind. We need to work towards curing them as they deserve, but this doesn’t mean we should oppose gunning down a few walkers. There’s a bigger picture.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:53 pm

Hell no

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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:53 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:No. Zombies are the scum of Earth, and must be treated like so. Aka with a bullet.

What did zombies ever do to you?
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Postby Athonuna » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:53 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:No. Zombies are the scum of Earth, and must be treated like so. Aka with a bullet.

Agreed. For the safety of my citizens I’m killing the zombies before they can hurt anyone else
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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:00 pm

Troyskova wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:No. Zombies are the scum of Earth, and must be treated like so. Aka with a bullet.

What did zombies ever do to you?

Existing. It's kinda dumb to place the entirety of your non-infected population in jeopardy because of some "cure" that might not even work.
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:01 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:
Troyskova wrote:What did zombies ever do to you?

Existing. It's kinda dumb to place the entirety of your non-infected population in jeopardy because of some "cure" that might not even work.

no.. they deserve to have rights
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Postby DACOROMANIA » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:02 pm

Zombies should have only one right - to be cured. Otherwise they're the death plague to all. Even extraterrestrials fears of them. If you don't believe then ask the government. Someone already has that virus in a sealed capsule.
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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:03 pm

Troyskova wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:Existing. It's kinda dumb to place the entirety of your non-infected population in jeopardy because of some "cure" that might not even work.

no.. they deserve to have rights

The only right they have is the right to have their head filled with bullets. End of discussion
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Postby Athonuna » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:08 pm

Troyskova wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:Existing. It's kinda dumb to place the entirety of your non-infected population in jeopardy because of some "cure" that might not even work.

no.. they deserve to have rights

Their rights don't trump the rights of the healthy majority. I as a leader refuse to put the rest of my people at risk while the government fails its citizens yet again trying for some arbitrary cure. I'll protect others who try to cure, but if it comes to curing and protecting the majority, I'll gladly do the latter. Zombies are unique because they're a danger to society, and I will not let that danger go unnoticed.
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Postby Bridgett » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:10 pm

As the carriers of an infectious disease, they must be quarantined. Patients under quarantine are effectively under forced isolation while maintaining civil rights. If they refuse to be quarantined then they must be killed for the greater good of the community.

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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:10 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:
Troyskova wrote:no.. they deserve to have rights

The only right they have is the right to have their head filled with bullets. End of discussion

so a sick person also deserves their head filled with bullets?
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Postby Athonuna » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:12 pm

Troyskova wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:The only right they have is the right to have their head filled with bullets. End of discussion

so a sick person also deserves their head filled with bullets?

A zombie and a sick person are two very different categories. A sick person is genuinely disadvantaged and needs help, zombies want to harm society and only think about themselves. It may be a disease, but the similarities end there, and by no means should we treat the two conditions as equal.
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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:13 pm

Troyskova wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:The only right they have is the right to have their head filled with bullets. End of discussion

so a sick person also deserves their head filled with bullets?


There's a difference between aiding a sick person with a disease say, like Ebola, and trying to aid someone whose very existence is a threat to the stability of a nation.
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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm

Athonuna wrote:
Troyskova wrote:so a sick person also deserves their head filled with bullets?

A zombie and a sick person are two very different categories. A sick person is genuinely disadvantaged and needs help, zombies want to harm society and only think about themselves. It may be a disease, but the similarities end there, and by no means should we treat the two conditions as equal.

and what about mental illness? they also need a head filled with bullets?
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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Troyskova wrote:
Athonuna wrote:A zombie and a sick person are two very different categories. A sick person is genuinely disadvantaged and needs help, zombies want to harm society and only think about themselves. It may be a disease, but the similarities end there, and by no means should we treat the two conditions as equal.

and what about mental illness? they also need a head filled with bullets?

Assuming that a mentally ill person is somehow a threat on the same level as a being that is inherently irrational and that's prone to attacking (and infecting) other individuals deserves a gold medal in the mental gymnastics olympics
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Postby Jerkania » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:19 pm

Zombies are violently ill people whom are breaking the laws of the nation. They have to be treated like criminals, and suppressed by the state with force if necessary to preserve public order.

This is the most logical way to humanely solve the problem of zombies as an ethical issue.

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Postby Troyskova » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:19 pm

The Inkopolitian State wrote:
Troyskova wrote:and what about mental illness? they also need a head filled with bullets?

Assuming that a mentally ill person is somehow a threat on the same level as a being that is inherently irrational and that's prone to attacking (and infecting) other individuals deserves a gold medal in the mental gymnastics olympics

there are mental illnesses like that..
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Postby Athonuna » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:21 pm

Troyskova wrote:
The Inkopolitian State wrote:Assuming that a mentally ill person is somehow a threat on the same level as a being that is inherently irrational and that's prone to attacking (and infecting) other individuals deserves a gold medal in the mental gymnastics olympics

there are mental illnesses like that..

The difference is, millions of people with this disease don't band together to destroy all of society.
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Postby Splootan » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:22 pm

if the zombos are "conscious", then you can rename this thread into "Should mass murderers be granted rights" because the essence of being conscious is doing something with intent. If you pull a quick one on me and say that they aren't knowingful of chomping a kids arm off, it would be considered manslaughter. And no, they shouldn't be given rights as a trade off for their crimes, because they eat human flesh to survive, which in most cases maybe or maybe not be considered cannibalism.
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Postby Oswen Ucha » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:24 pm

Zombies deserve the same rights as a serial killer, since they'd kill the same amount if they had the chance.

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Postby The Inkopolitian State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:26 pm

Oswen Ucha wrote:Zombies deserve the same rights as a serial killer, since they'd kill the same amount if they had the chance.

Aka none? Serial killers don't deserve rights either, they violate the NAP
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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:26 pm

Troyskova wrote:Do zombies fit the criteria to be granted basic civil rights? I believe they do. What are your thoughts?


Are zombies sentient, which is to say, capable of suffering the loss inherent in any failure to continue in a reanimated, brain-consuming state? And, if so, does their preference for brain-consuming necessarily override the presumed preference on the part of others of not having their brains eaten?

I assume answering the second question will require capturing some zombies and tying them to trolley tracks. I don't volunteer for the job. Fortunately, given Romero and Kirkman's extensive researches, I'd suspect we can answer the first question with a "no," and simply conclude that zombies are not rights-carrying persons.
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Postby Syeadeshistania » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:28 pm

No, fuck civil rights.
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Zombies are just humans who are sick, and they should be cured as soon as possible.
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