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Postby Tehrangeles » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:58 pm

Still working on my application. Can someone tell me what the Second World War looked like? It would impact the Ottoman polity based in Hungary.

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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:17 pm

Tehrangeles wrote:Still working on my application. Can someone tell me what the Second World War looked like? It would impact the Ottoman polity based in Hungary.


We need to agree on that, but what did get approved was that Byzantium was a prominent Allied Power.

(Yet apparently not too prominent to stop the Morgenthau Plan.)
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Postby Tehrangeles » Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:22 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Tehrangeles wrote:Still working on my application. Can someone tell me what the Second World War looked like? It would impact the Ottoman polity based in Hungary.


We need to agree on that, but what did get approved was that Byzantium was a prominent Allied Power.

(Yet apparently not too prominent to stop the Morgenthau Plan.)

The Ottomans would probably be an allied power, depending upon how Germans perceived them.

Now they will be an anticommunist power.

Does NATO (or an equivalent) exist?

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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:29 pm

Tehrangeles wrote:
Dragos Bee wrote:
We need to agree on that, but what did get approved was that Byzantium was a prominent Allied Power.

(Yet apparently not too prominent to stop the Morgenthau Plan.)

The Ottomans would probably be an allied power, depending upon how Germans perceived them.

Now they will be an anticommunist power.

Does NATO (or an equivalent) exist?


Probably not, but Byzantium is allied with Seljuk Iran and the Kingdom of Georgia and works with them more than they do America and Western Europe.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:01 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Benuty wrote:For final assurances I'm not going to arbitrarily pick which side coups Willy Brandt. I'm thinking a straw poll will determine the victor when the coup event pops up given the extremism of one of the factions involved. I do not want people thinking they don't have a say.


Thank God.

Be mindful there's still a terrorist cell in Germany...one that basically is still carrying out a decades long mission to fulfill the Allied plan. I intend on bringing them up during war crimes discussions if the Technocrats achieve victory.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:03 pm

Tehrangeles wrote:
Dragos Bee wrote:
We need to agree on that, but what did get approved was that Byzantium was a prominent Allied Power.

(Yet apparently not too prominent to stop the Morgenthau Plan.)

The Ottomans would probably be an allied power, depending upon how Germans perceived them.

Now they will be an anticommunist power.

Does NATO (or an equivalent) exist?

What territories do the Ottomans officially control given Byzantine control over Anatolia?

I guess I should ask is Poland claimed yet by anyone because I'll need to work out the Prussian border arrangement with them or someone who borders me eastwise.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:53 pm

How did World War I go again?

I assume we've got a First World War, but I don't really see it mentioned in other people's apps. Is there still a Central Powers, and if France is socialist, I'm not going to dive in to even save the Belgians. We can still go and blockade the Germans, do a Jutland and take German colonies. Maybe sent forces against the Byzantines? I'm not sure if Byzantine would align itself with what the hell counts as the "Entente" in contrast to the Central Powers. If the Ottomans are in Hungary, do the Scotts do a landing at Zagreb?
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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:54 pm

Benuty wrote:
Tehrangeles wrote:The Ottomans would probably be an allied power, depending upon how Germans perceived them.

Now they will be an anticommunist power.

Does NATO (or an equivalent) exist?

What territories do the Ottomans officially control given Byzantine control over Anatolia?

I guess I should ask is Poland claimed yet by anyone because I'll need to work out the Prussian border arrangement with them or someone who borders me eastwise.


Ottomans have Hungary and Austria in this timeline due to migrating north after being hired by the Byzies as mercs.
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Postby Tehrangeles » Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:43 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Benuty wrote:What territories do the Ottomans officially control given Byzantine control over Anatolia?

I guess I should ask is Poland claimed yet by anyone because I'll need to work out the Prussian border arrangement with them or someone who borders me eastwise.


Ottomans have Hungary and Austria in this timeline due to migrating north after being hired by the Byzies as mercs.

It’s effectively the territory of Austria-Hungary. São assured me that this would include sea access.

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Postby Tehrangeles » Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:44 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Tehrangeles wrote:The Ottomans would probably be an allied power, depending upon how Germans perceived them.

Now they will be an anticommunist power.

Does NATO (or an equivalent) exist?


Probably not, but Byzantium is allied with Seljuk Iran and the Kingdom of Georgia and works with them more than they do America and Western Europe.

Since it appears Byzantium is the biggest anticommunist power, the Ottomans would likely align with them.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:54 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Benuty wrote:What territories do the Ottomans officially control given Byzantine control over Anatolia?

I guess I should ask is Poland claimed yet by anyone because I'll need to work out the Prussian border arrangement with them or someone who borders me eastwise.


Ottomans have Hungary and Austria in this timeline due to migrating north after being hired by the Byzies as mercs.

Rip Austria, though knowing the Hungarian's roots they might enjoy some relatives from the steppes.
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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:16 pm

Tehrangeles wrote:
Dragos Bee wrote:
Probably not, but Byzantium is allied with Seljuk Iran and the Kingdom of Georgia and works with them more than they do America and Western Europe.

Since it appears Byzantium is the biggest anticommunist power, the Ottomans would likely align with them.


Perfect. Also, Byzantium is probably cold at best to the Americans, British, and French because of the Morgenthau Plan, so it's starting an alternative alliance.
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Postby Rodez » Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:10 pm

Might look to reserve something in North Africa; also considering a tinpot Flemish dictatorship as a fun exercise.

That being said, are any of these prior reservations “expired?” It’s been about a week for some . .
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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 pm

Rodez wrote:Might look to reserve something in North Africa; also considering a tinpot Flemish dictatorship as a fun exercise.

That being said, are any of these prior reservations “expired?” It’s been about a week for some . .


Reservations expire after 48 hours, but I think Theyra has expressed continued interest in making the Kingdom of Georgia?
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APPLICATION
Name: The Union of Scots, Britons and Welsh (Scottish Galeic:Aonadh Scotts, Breatannaich agus Cuimris) (Welsh:Undeb y Scottiaid, y Brythoniaid a'r Cymry)
Flag:
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Capital: Perth (capital of the country);
Territory: Scotland, England and Wales (mainland); Western Sahara, Equatorial Guinea, Northern portion of modern day Namibia, Falkland Islands and St. George Island, Island of Ceylon (modern day Sri Lanka)
Population: around 40,000,000 in total: (38,109,632 on the mainland) 2,000,000 (on the colonies, with around 1,700,000 of this being on the island of Ceylon, with the remaining 300,000 spread out among the remaining colonial holdings of the Union).

Official Language(s): The most widely spoken language in the Union is English, closely followed by Scottish Gaelic. In the colonial territories, a mixture of Arabic and Indian languages are frequently utilized by the locals, although the colonial administrators all converse in English and are appointed by the Board of Directors.
Ethnic Breakdown:
Ethnically speaking, the Union with respect to the mainland is mainly divided into 38% Britons, 51% Scots and 8% Welsh, with the remaining 3% being mostly comprised of people hailing from the colonial territories.
With respect to the Overseas Empire, the largest white minority (as a percentage of the population on the colony) is the 35% comprising the island of Ceylon, with reduced percentages in every other territory of the Empire.
Religious Breakdown:
The primary religion is the Mainline Church of Latter Day Saints, which comprise roughly 70% of all people within the mainland. The remaining 30% are divided into the following:
Roughly 10% follow alternate forms of Catholicism
The remaining 20% are alternated between differing deviations and branches of Protestantism, especially since contentions between the Mormon Church and the “regulars”.

Type of Government: Herrenvolk representational constitutional monarchy
(de jure)

The King of the Britons wields substantial power in the country. There are little checks and balances on the absolute power of the King, who also holds the largely ceremonial but significantly powerful role as “President of the Mainline LDS Church”.

Most legislation, in theory, can be proposed by the legislature, usually needing the King’s royal assent on a bill in order for it to become law. However, in reality, it is most of the time that the King proposes legislation or often unilaterally decides actions with the assistance of an increasingly powerful “Board of Directors”, who act as the nation’s cabinet, often with ties or as representatives to the country’s largest and most influential banking, military and industrial interests.

Legislation, therefore, is at the purview and scrutiny of both houses. The House of Clans can anoint as many differing amendments to bills proposed by the King or President of the Church. It is up to the King of the Britons who holds final say. The King can either Veto legislation or “Propose an Alternative”. This second constitutional mechanism enables the King to work with the legislature in hammering out any differences in policy between the two, which has occurred frequently, given the hostilities that the main Scottish clans hold against the Monarchy.

The House of Clans are also closely linked both by incestous marriages between family members of differing clans, mostly utilized in political roles by differing clan chiefs in the country. A

Head of State:
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Head of Government: Chief of the Scots, Britons and Welsh and “Arweinydd y Cymry” (leader of the welsh people) Enoch Powell (Mackenzie)

Legislature (the name of your national legislature):
Home of the Wizards (Dachaigh nan Draoidh) are for when both the House of Clans and the House of the Families both sit as one combined body, with the off-hand term known as “Ye Olde Dachaigh” being utilized in Union media to refer to the Briton Government.

House of Clans (Taigh nan cinnidh).
Legislative Houses (if your legislature is bicameral): House of Clans, (or Taigh nan cinnidh in scottish gaelic), is the lower house of the Union, comprised of nearly 912 members,utilizing proportional representation in order to allocate different seats come election time.

House of the Families (Seanadh nan teaghlaichean). The House of the Families is comprised of the upper chamber of the Union legislature. These are composed of 300 “Family-Members-Elected” or FMEs. However, the King of the Britons holds the discretion to appoint and dismiss one third of the upper house, which in this case means 100 members are at the whims of the monarch. The remaining two thirds, are divided into the following:

Eight scottish clans elect six members per clan for a total of 48
Ten British clans elect three members per clan for a total of 30

Thirty-eight seats are allocated to the Empire’s various colonial holdings, mostly of prominent politicians on the islands going back centuries.
Seventy members are elected at-large by the Union military, Navy, Air Force and various Union based company conglomerates with ties to the government and monarch.
The remaining fourteen seats are awarded to the Welsh.


Party in Power: In the House of Clans, all seats are officially nonpartisan, simply relying on the individual’s affiliation to one of the many different clans both in the Scottish Highlands and throughout the rest of the mainland. As a result, although there is no majority party in the House, the largest Clans are the Mackenize with 199 members, followed closely in second place by the Sutherland with 180 members.

National Issues: Mention three (3) issues - domestic and foreign - that plague your nation and which you need to tackle in order to prosper.

THE SUN HAS SET: There was once a time, nearly one hundred years ago, where our empire stretched from the Indian subcontinent to the deserts of Africa. No matter where you were in the Empire, you could feel confident in living in the world’s foremost superpower of its day.

That time has sunset, nearly forty years ago. The sheer expense and devastation brought about by the World Wars has meant that the business of maintaining and upholding vast colonial holdings is all but over. The Empire, entering the 1980s is but a shadow of its former self, scarcely holding onto a few islands and colonial holdings in Africa and within the Indian Ocean, along with rocks that proudly boast the scottish-english flag flapping above the sunny caribbean seas.

Public Goals:

Private Goals:

GDP (nominal): $609 billion
Currency: Briton Nickel
Economic System:
The primary system relies on the extraction of resources from the colonies to be shipped to the homeland, where the industrial mass of the Britons and Scots are sufficient enough to turn such raw materials into workable goods, which are then delivered to the various companies within the Union. The Largest of these are the:
Regular Company of King George III,
Tifton and sons co. Mining and Coal Extraction
Bethlehem Steel
White Star Line
East India Trading Company


Major Exports: Wool, Timber, Iron, Gold, Rubber, Coal, Wool, Agricultural Products, Livestock, Brooms,
Major Imports: Machine goods, Wheat, Oil, Cereal, Automotives, Telephones
Defense Budget (USD): 7.77% of the GDP of the Union, or $47 billion
Alliance(s):

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches):

Hoardship of the Isles - This is the common name given to the primary ground force of the Union, although when this is referred to, it generally means the ground forces of Scotland, but is used as a generic term for the Union’s land forces. The Hoardship’s general standing strength, at least on paper, is around 250,000 on the Mainland. The Hoardship is primarily tasked with the defense of the Homeland, although it can be deployed overseas to protect British Interests in her colonial holdings, which is usually only done by the Company Guard unilaterally without the approval of the Government.

Imperial Navy - Receives the lion’s share of the military funding. While the Imperial Navy is not the largest in the world, it still holds a notable number of warships, which the government argues is necessary for its still fledgling (if declining) colonial holdings throughout the globe.


Company Guard - tasked with the defense of major industrial facilities throughout the “global” empire, with rumored anti-terrorist activities within the Colonial holdings of the Empire. Are generally nothing more than highly paid mercenaries put into the service of some of the largest companies within the Union. They are widely hated by the remaining native peoples for their alleged war-crimes and supposed “humanitarian violations”. Numbers of personnel generally are estimated to be around 35,000 - 55,000 stationed all throughout the colonies of the Empire.

Colonial Militia - Mostly comprising “civilized” indigenous natives of the occupied territories. Although historically led by white Scottsmen, gradually, this has given way to a system based on merit, although ties to family clans (and white family clans) still retain great significance in political appointments. Numbers of the Militia generally depend on which Colonial holding, but according to the Company Registers as of 1980, the Militia stands as a combined force, on paper at 300,000 throughout the colonies of the Empire. General combat readiness in the event of immediate invasion is estimated to be around half of that number. The Militia also double as the local constables within Scotland and England, and also owe partial loyalty to familial ties rather than allegiance to the central government in Perth.

Active Duty:
Reserve Duty:
Total Manpower:

Land Force:
Naval Force:
The Imperial Navy contains a substantial number of combat vessels, including a main surface fleet of 8 Battleships, 6 Battlecruisers, 32 Cruisers, 30 Destroyers, 21 Frigates, and 95 support/logistical vessels.

Air Force:

Other Military Information:

History:
Our story begins with the signature of the Treaty of Union in 1707. Instead of shoving aside Scottish interests, a surprise shift in England’s tone towards Scotland was certainly noticed by the Scottish delegates expected to sign. Instead of 45 MPs, Scotland would get near equality with English MPs, with England getting 251 and Scotland garnering 247 respectively. Queen Anne, previously the Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland, was crowned on December 2, 1708 as “Queen of the Scots, Britons and Welsh in eternity.”

This greatly increases the influence of Scotland, prompting several wary families to now run for and be elected to represent Scottish interests and Scottish culture. However, with every action, there is an equal and appropriate re-action. English hardliners, having been sidelined, aggressively call for the death of the restored Queen, enraged in her “sacrificing english-ness for a backwards people”. The English Unrest of 1708-1710 becomes a full-scale rebellion against the favorable treatment of Scotland. On one-side were the Moderates, backed and having intermarried within various Scottish clans in order to shore up support. One the other-side were the Radicals, who vowed to return “England for the English” and expel the Scottish to one of the penal colonies of the Empire, such as a plan to ship almost 40,000 Scotts to the inhospitable landscape of Australia.

By the end of 1710, the Moderate forces, with the help of a French landing off the Welsh coast, are victorious in their quelling of radical support. The resulting reign of terror and subsequent purges from all government circles see thousands of radicals be either defenstrated or burnt at the stake for witchcraft. Parliament, feared to have been a hotbed of Radical activity, is permanently prolonged from 1711 until the British Revolution eighty years later.

On May 2, 1713, Queen Anne dies from a prolonged illness, resulting in James Francis Edward Stuart being crowned as King of the Scots, Britons and Welsh James III (of England) and the VIII (of Scotland). This James rules from 1713 until his untimely death in 1760 from being impaled in the House of Parliament. His son Charles Edward Stuart would assume the throne within a month of his father’s death, being crowned as King Charles III and I (of Scotland).

Following the untimely death of King Charles in 1764 following a short reign, there was a power-struggle between Charle’s mistress Clementia Walkinshaw and Charle’s illegitimate daughter Charlotte Stuart. This Sparked the Briton War of Succession (also known as the Fourth English Civil War) from 1765 until 1770. In the end Clementia ended up victorious, exiling Charlotte to the Orkney Islands in northern Scotland. Her reign would be short-lived and prove to be unpopular with the general public, with rumors of the “Prostitute who ruled Britain” greatly damaging British prestige abroad on the international stage. Her erratic actions of dismissing cabinets throughout her reign certainly harmed any government stability and only proved to grow her lists of enemies. Gradually, the forces of Queen Charlotte proved too much for Clementia to overcome. Lists of enemies that eventually struck out, with Queen Clementia losing the Battle of Beachy Head in 1771 and fleeing abroad to the American continent instead, living out the rest of her days at the estate of a southern plantation owner in South Carolina until her death in 1802.

Now secure in her position, Queen Charlotte gravitated towards a small assembly of informal advisors, all of whom garnered considerable influence within the Royal Court.

Foreign Policy was the same: Ensure Britain dominance over the waves and prevent any one nation from challenging Britain on the waves or to cut off her colonial holdings. Following the smashing success of the Seven Year’s War, Britain forbade her colonial subjects in the Americas from expanding past the Appalachian mountain ranges, imposed large taxes upon them. Anger mounted from the perceived corruption and general carelessness imposed by the British Appointed governors of the Thirteen Colonies, resulting in increased tensions between the British establishment and disgruntled citizenry within the continent.

Such tensions resulted in the outbreak of the “First Anglo-War”, also known as the “American Revolution.” British and Scottish forces mishandled the conflict badly, losing thousands of troops. Due to the extreme difficulties in communication across the vast Atlantic Ocean, the initiative of British officers was placed on them within the field, without having to await instructions from distant (even for Scotland) Perth. This had mixed results, with aggressive british commanders racking up glorious victories against rebel continental forces, while suffering massed casualties that would take significant time in order to be replenished, let alone be organized in fleets that might cross the atlantic, get lost in a vicious storm or be forced back due to a French assault.
Following the surrender of General Cornwallis, the ailing Queen Charlotte instructed diplomats to negotiate a treaty with the “rebel territories”. America was born, and the Union of Scotts felt embittered at the loss of such a significant area. As if to distract the populace from the crushing defeat in the America’s, The Royal Government organized expeditions to explore the world instead. Such expeditions got the ball rolling on a gradual expansionist foreign policy of the Union of Scots throughout the early 19th century.

In spite of the government’s best efforts at providing breads and circuses to the masses, seedy and rowdy bars were the birthplace of ideas of liberty, equality and profit. Thanks in part to a dreadful harvest season in 1788, much of the still good grain was sold by a cabal of powerful merchants, instead of being gifted out to either small-time British merchants. This angered the middle and lower classes of Briton society, spearheaded by a small group of wealthy merchants who had some rank in Briton and Scottish society.

The continued proroguing of Parliament did no favors of the Crown in the eyes of the British populace, who had even less of a chance in order for their grievances to be penned, let alone listened too. Partially inspired by the American Revolution across the Atlantic, a group of radical republicans gathered up armaments for a full-scale revolution. This plot, known as the “Musketeer Conspiracy” was a dismal failure, but the Government’s harsh crackdown and execution of the conspirators only served to draw martyrs to the cause of liberty.

On August 1, 1789, it was rumored that there was gunpowder and prisoners being held within the tower of london. This prompted the Storming of the Tower and the execution of the Constable of the Tower, Charles Cornwallis. His head was then stuck upon a pike and paraded around downtown London, passing by Buckingham Palace. Queen Charlotte then had to narrowly avoid capture by revolutionaries, who met in Temple Square and proclaimed the “General Assembly” on August 15, 1789. It was of grave concern that Charlotte, who had fled to the port of Portsmouth, might escape. In response to this threat, a crowd of 4,000 furious britons and women gathered, complaining about the high prices of food and blocked the way to the docks. Her own personal guards refused to fire on their countrymen, with one anecdotal account by the Lord-Lieutenant of the Guard saying to her: “Your Majesty, Britons do not fire on fellow Britons!” Queen Charlotte, left with few options owing to all ships in the harbor refusing to sail away with her aboard, relented and agreed to the crowds' demands, returning to London by the night of the 17th of August.

Rumors of her treachery had spread like wildfire, consumed by outrageous rumors that she would have traveled to Europe, rallied support and would be back with a full-scale invasion force to march on London. This prompted the establishment of the League of Justice, headed by Maxwell Robertspire, a former dentist who was increasingly radicalized by the actions and suppression of the former “Musketeer Conspiracy”. In paying homage to his fore-fathers of the revolution, Robertspire declared the establishment of the British Republic on the steps of Parliament on 1 of October 1789. What followed for the next three years was the “Reign of Terror”. Anyone suspected of not being for the Government was condemned as a counter-revolutionary before being forcibly defenestrated. It was at this time that Eli Whitney unveiled a new invention, which was named the Whitney Razor. It is unknown definitively how many people were killed in the “Terror”, but estimates put it at around 20,000 in London itself, and another 30,000 in the Briton countryside. Queen Charlotte herself was executed via the Whitney Razor in a much publicized ceremony on December 22, 1789.

The 1793 Dalmatian Reaction is what finally put an end to Robertspire and his band of radical revolutionaries, with the purging of those responsible for the deaths of thousands. Robertspire’s supporters were also put to death, with another 15,000 to 25,000 purged and summarily brought to the Whitney Razor.

Following the execution of Robertspire, the Librarian Committee took power. This were lead by those that were responsible for the Dalmatian Reaction, seeking to take the nation into a much more moderate take on the “Revolution”. Librarian-at-Principle Arthur Welsely took power, assisted by a council of two other members. This power-sharing arrangement lead to bickering and gridlock and was eventually scrapped by 1795 in favor of having a Chief Librarian. It was also at this time that the capital was decided to move from London to the northern portion of the country (and within Scotland to boot) the small town of Perth in 1796.

Even this proved to be unable to mend the wounds of the nation. Ethnic violence egged on by the “Terror” only served to further alienate Scotts from the Britons. It was in this time that the only surviving son of the disgraced Queen Charlotte, Charles Maximillian, attempted to whip up support against the Librarian style government, arguing that stability under the monarchy was preferable to the “failed candle of democratic experimentation”. In 1798, supporters of Maximillian made their move, throwing open the front gates to Perth and were greeted by cheering crowds, more than welcome for a return to general stability.

This action sparked unrest and fierce Librarian resistance from the Librarian Welsley, who fled south and marshaled his forces within the south of the country and started what is known as The Fifth English Civil War (1798-1801). While Welsley managed to win smashing victories, the Pro-Monarchist forces were able to wage a guerrilla warfare movement within the Scottish highlands, fighting from a series of large castles owned by Galeic family members sympathetic to his cause. Eventually, Maximilian’s army of 23,000 met Welsley’s larger army of 30,000. Although Maximillian couldn’t afford the casualties suffered in the battle, he was able to force Welsley away from Scotland and turn the invasion force back.

In the following Spring of 1799, Maximilian was the one who went on the offensive, launching attacks against fortifications prepared by Welsley in advance. Although suffering more losses than Welsley in taking multiple forts within the Scottish highlands, Maximilian’s usage of siege artillery enabled him to technologically blast the stone mason walls to smithereens. After months of being besieged, Welsley’s diseased army sallied out and were promptly beaten back, with Arthur Welsey himself being forced to surrender what was left of his command following a bloody battle. With that, Maximilian’s reign was secure from pretenders and enemies of the people, and promptly declared “The Union Kingdom of Scots, Britons and Welsh” with himself being crowned “King of the Britons, King of the Scots and Governor of the Welsh Estates of the crown” on 3 August 1802.

The Reign of Maximillian saw the tightening of control over the Briton press, with the very broad implementation of “defamation of the monarch” laws which only served to stifle critics of the King. Maximilian also abolished the position of Chief Librarian and instead replaced it with Chief of the Scotts, Britons and Welsh.

Although regarded as a tyrant by liberals of his day, Maximilian had a keen eye for the arts and crafts, commissioning vast sculptures of both military and cultural importance for the Briton and Scottish people. The old Hadrian’s Wall between England and Scotland, built in Roman times, was restored to it’s ancient past, built up as both a way to draw tourists into the country and as a way to align himself with historians who found enjoyment in such matters. He also took the measures of Education seriously, proposing and declaring the “State Education Act of 1819”, which made school compulsory, although after an uproar by the increasingly powerful merchants and industrial agents, he was forced to water-down the reform bill.

However, in spite of his liberalizing reforms culturally, King Maximillian remained firmly backwards electorally and politically. He granted the rights of the main Scottish clans to elect their members of Parliament via a system of clan elders and “advisors of the pen” appointed by the King. This served to stymie some of the Scottish gains within the freshly re-established Parlement.

Such was the result of the 1820 Parlementary elections, which had 222 seats up, with 110 for England, 100 for Scotland and 12 reserved for the Welsh. In spite of the Mackenzie clan making large gains, English clans outweighed the gains made by the Mackenzie, with the pro-english Anglo-Family winning two thirds of the seats. This led to protests within Scotland, with many Scottish clans boycotting the results and instead arguing that Scotland needed her own parliament.

In 1821, Scotland held elections which were boycotted by the English minority within Scotland, resulting in pro-Scottish parties with ties to the Mackenzie and Sutherland clans winning large majorities. In 1823, prior to their meeting as a house, King Maximillian decided to move the capital from Perth to a town outside the Pennes Mountains called Settle in defiance of the Scottish. It looked like the country was on the verge of a civil war. At the last minute, Maximillian’s aides organized a mission to the Scottish, headed by former General Picton. It was agreed that any future legislation on Foreign Policy or Domestic Affairs would have to pass through the now established Scottish House of the Clans.

Following the ‘Compromise of Settle’, King of the Scots, Britons and Welsh Maximilian was allowed to move the capital back to Perth in 1823. The less populated city of Edinburgh was declared the seat of the Scottish Clans.

The Welsh, Scottish and English countryside were soon turned into industrial sites, rudimentary in their extraction from the earth in utilizing steam engines. It was also at this time that the first railroads within the country are laid down, with the start of the Scottish-Briton Railroad in the spring of 1829. However, the local Families of both the highlands and within England itself hold some wavering hostility towards the march of industrialization. This led to rioting with the introduction of mass immigration, and the start of the First Withdrawal, coined from the withdrawal from 1835 until 1860 of almost 3 million Scotts, Welsh and English to the American continent in seeking better life, better working conditions and (in some instances) to avoid the thumb of Kings and Tyrants.

The flashpoint was the start of the Scramble for Africa in the 1860s. Scottish settlers attempted to find the source of the Nile, with the Scottish-Colonial Friendship Association personally funding the expedition, spearheaded by financial Magnate Andrew Carnegie, prior to his immigration to the land of opportunity and not the land of ‘try not to die of the fucking plauge’. Advancements in medicine and military technology added an increased chance to expanding the Union, which was gradually implemented over the next twenty years.

A slew of failed expeditions along the inhospitable Panamanian climate and thick jungles means that Union attempts to have presence in the Americas outside of her Caribbean holdings fail. That is not to say the resources are not poured in, however, and there is a small 9 mile dredge within Nicuraga prior to its abandonment.

King Maximillian’s carriage overturned in 1854 while on a visit to the Mackenzie clan family of Scotland. Dying of his wounds, the crown found itself in a bit of a crisis. As Maximillian died childless, the question of succession was on everyone’s lips. Wanting to avoid another bloody civil war, representatives of both Scottish and English clan families met in secret to decide who would wear the crown. At the end, it was discovered that a descendant of the House of Fitzjames, a branch of the Stuarts, was eligible. A formal invitation was sent and after a month of regency by the Master of the Hunt, Jacobo Fitzjames Stuart arrived from Spain. Taking the regal order Jacob I, he was officially knighted “Sir Jacob I, King of the Scotts, Britons, and Welsh” on 23 May 1855.

The reign of King Jacob I (1855-1881) saw one of the largest famines in the Indian subcontinent. General mis-use by Company politicians and large corruption only served to exacerbate the Great Indian Famine (1854-1858). An estimated 11 million Indians died of starvation. East Indian Company policy to seize the warehouses for immediate shipment to the lucrative markets of both Europe and Byzantium sent the Indian populace into a full-scale revolt, known as the Mutiny of Bombay. The Mutiny, while crushed and suppressed violently, did take the control of the Indian subcontinent away from the East Indian Trade Company and into the hands of King Jacob I, who ruled it as his personal kingdom.

Also under his reign was the subsequent scramble for Africa and the securing of a portion of the African subcontinent, although not nearly as much as was hoped for. Flags were planted, Military fortresses constructed, and troops were stationed to the increasingly far-flung corners of the Empire. It was also during this time that muckraking efforts by investigative journalists from the homeland arrived en mass in both Africa and in India. It was there that they discovered brutal atrocities being committed by local governors, with a web of corruption that seemed to go all the way to the then Guardian of the Silver Seal and Chief of the Scotts John Edmund Commerell (Mackenzie). A tentative snap election was called in 1883 following the loss of the “Rights of Family”, which saw Hugh Fortescue (Sutherland) win a plurality of seats in the House of Clans. In order to sort out succession, Jacob proposed a system where a select group of individuals would vote for the monarch. In order to keep Scotland in line, it was agreed that the Draoidh (or Wizard of Scotland) would get veto power over any nominee proposed by either England or Wales.

Upon the death of King Jacob in 1881, the ruling House of Berwick discreetly convened to select Chair of the Lipton Tea Company Thomas Johnstone Lipton as the next “King of the Britons, Scots and Welsh”. There remains controversy over his selection, as King Jacob had eligible children that were weaseled out by the Queen consort, who disliked her children and maintained a very chilly relationship with her in-laws. It was alleged that bribes were secured on the Board of Directors for the vote, and to prevent the Draoidh from issuing his veto, which would have sunk his nomination. After much back and forth between prominent members of the Mackenzie, Sutherland and Briton clans, Scotland relents to the installation of a Briton king in early 1882. Lipton takes his middle name as his regnal name, and is proclaimed King Johnstone at the Halls of Woods on 8 February 1882.

King Johnstone takes more of a keen interest in India, expanding out the Union specifically in order to better secure a path towards Indian cotton, spices and cloth. The Lipton Tea Company and numerous others are allocated sections of the Indian subcontinent that would be under their “management”, headed by “General-Managers” of various large cities and portions of India, such as Punjab. It was at this time that the first of what would be considered liberal reforms would be attempted. These included the ending of cattle-raiding by Scottish clans, which often devolved from stealing a few cattles for the honor of one’s home to any excuse to burn your neighbor’s house down just because he got that promotion instead of you. An old flame reject you? Burn down her house and let her be the only flame that’s one fire in the neighborhood. Oh? Fire-services just aren’t coming? I wonder why?

In short, this system of family honor often led to revenge-killings, mob murders (and lynchings) and violent acts that were lessened with the passage of the Regulars Act of 1888. This act organized the country into 1,189 different Shires, with Sheriffs responsible for each. Around two thirds were appointed directly by the monarch (or more broadly, the Board of Directors would vet individual candidates and the King would give his approval or veto), although many of those remaining one third were indirectly elected by Family Members of all Scottish Clans.

King Johnstone frequently fought with both the Board of Directors over Foreign Policy, who saw many of his more adventurous ideas rejected by the Draoidh, who held the aforementioned veto. The King spearheaded a massive naval rearmament program, sparked by the launch of the ISV (Imperial Scott's Vessel) Dreadnought. In response, the Germans hastily started the construction of a fleet, which prompted Bethlehem Steel and White Star Line to muscle their way onto the Board of Directors and demand an expansion of naval forces "on the basis of national pride and our own security from Hunnish threats". In a panic, this was quickly agreed to, and many prominent members of the board received very lucrative kickbacks on the construction contracts handed out by the Union Navy officials. Although hastily built, by the year 1914, The Navy was comprised of 28 Dreadnoughts, in contrast to the German's 18 ships of similar caliber and design.

At the Start of the Great War, the fleet of the Union was coaled up and set forth to blockade the North Sea, preventing German warships from passing through. On the land, the Briton Expeditionary Force was marshalled across the English Channel to the Netherlands, of whom were caught up in the worst of the fighting. For the next four long years, Britons, Saxons and Welsh all died in the muddy fields of Flanders. Gruesome casualties as traditional tactics met modern weaponry. Human waves met machine guns. The massed charge of the British Mounted met the sounds of death, silencing all but their flailing horses stuck on barbed wire. Briton's colonial holdings and East Indian Trading Company forces were marshalled throughout the Union. Elsewhere, in Africa, the former German colonies of Southwest Africa were gobbled up, save for some stubborn resistance in German Southeastern Africa that lasted until the spring of 1917. Massed colonial forces shot each other in lines reminiscent of wars of old Europe. Bolt Action Rifles sang out all across the Savannahs. In 1916, in order to better assist their Rus Allies, the Union Navy attempted to orchestrate a landing in Oldenberg. This first step nessciated naval supremacy, which both the Scottish and German fleets met near Jutland on May 1, 1916. Ill-trained Scottish and Briton commanders, hailing from prominent clans rather than any military background, aggressively send in their lighter battlecruisers against similar German vessels. When the whole of the German High Seas Fleet is on the horizon, the battlecruisers flee in an attempt to lure the Germans into the jaws of the Imperial Navy. This battle is marked by confusion among all sides, with numerous vessles being lost. By one in the morning on the 2nd of May, Admiral John Jellicoe orders a withdrawal, which Vice Admiral Hood reluctantly agrees to.

Now lacking Naval Supremacy, the planned Invasion of Oldenberg is canceled, and additional Scottish forces are then sent around to Egypt in order to prepare for a series of landings against the



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Postby Dragos Bee » Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:50 pm

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:How did World War I go again?

I assume we've got a First World War, but I don't really see it mentioned in other people's apps. Is there still a Central Powers, and if France is socialist, I'm not going to dive in to even save the Belgians. We can still go and blockade the Germans, do a Jutland and take German colonies. Maybe sent forces against the Byzantines? I'm not sure if Byzantine would align itself with what the hell counts as the "Entente" in contrast to the Central Powers. If the Ottomans are in Hungary, do the Scotts do a landing at Zagreb?


Byzantium would have stayed Neutral in the Great War, then joined the Allies in the Second World War before leaving in disgust at the Morgenthau Plan and trying to undermine the latter as best as it could.
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Postby Theyra » Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:58 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Rodez wrote:Might look to reserve something in North Africa; also considering a tinpot Flemish dictatorship as a fun exercise.

That being said, are any of these prior reservations “expired?” It’s been about a week for some . .


Reservations expire after 48 hours, but I think Theyra has expressed continued interest in making the Kingdom of Georgia?


Reservations last a week, and yes, I am still interested.

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Postby Tehrangeles » Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:58 pm

Dragos Bee wrote:
Rodez wrote:Might look to reserve something in North Africa; also considering a tinpot Flemish dictatorship as a fun exercise.

That being said, are any of these prior reservations “expired?” It’s been about a week for some . .


Reservations expire after 48 hours, but I think Theyra has expressed continued interest in making the Kingdom of Georgia?

I’ll need more time- I just returned from a hiking trip and need to get my life re-sorted.

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Postby Tehrangeles » Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:07 pm

Benuty wrote:
Dragos Bee wrote:
Ottomans have Hungary and Austria in this timeline due to migrating north after being hired by the Byzies as mercs.

Rip Austria, though knowing the Hungarian's roots they might enjoy some relatives from the steppes.

Yes, I think Magyars would’ve been largely Turkicized, along with some German-speaking Austrians. I’m sure other Austrians would’ve fled to Germany. Of course, this would be centuries ago.

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APPLICATION
Name: Der Staat
Flag: Prototype Flag of the 1848 Confederation
Capital: Administrative Zone #1 (formerly the city of Bonn)
Territory: The Territory of the International Zone prior to the great revolt of 1967
Population: Twenty Four Million official citizens. 12 million residents were rehabilitated for their crimes of collaborating with the enemy. 4 million noncitizens convicted of the highest crimes and sentenced to lifetime penance as part of the shock labor battalion.

Official Language(s): German with Sorbian and North Frisian as well as various regional languages.
Ethnic Breakdown: 95% German, the remainder composed of Sorbs, Frisians, Roma, and Sinti.
Religious Breakdown: Protestant 55%, Roman Catholic 45%, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan, and Atheist make up remainder.

Type of Government: Autocratic Dictatorship with Technocratic Focuses
Definition: Surviving Scientists are working to optimize the country for self-reliance with the aid of the dictatorial government set up by the Charismatic Willy Brandt.
Head of State: Willy Brandt.
Head of Government:Willy Brandt
Legislature (the name of your national legislature): Revolutionärer Kongress: The rubber stamping authority for Willy Brandt's initiatives.
Legislative Houses (if your legislature is bicameral):
Party in Power: Regierung des Wiederaufbaus (Government of Reconstruction)
National Issues:
1] The Black Spot of Europe: Morganthau's plan resulted in the genocide of approximately 40 percent of the German population who lived within German borders. This has resulted in a very cynical attitude toward outsiders. No foreign media has been allowed in Germany since the 1967 revolution in part due to global permissiveness towards the genocide within German borders. Germany serves as a cut-off point in the middle of Europe with foreigners allowed only in the ports to bring goods and leave. Diplomatic relations are conducted via the Diplomatische Einheit rather than a formal chain of ambassadors and embassies.

2] The Morganthau Cell: The remnants of the International Zone's Commission of Security a secret police force that has managed to survive the purges, and have enacted several devastating attacks on new industrial complexes to ensure that the State never truly rebuilds. They are even responsible for one of the largest famines in the country.

3] Industrial Shellshock: The ravaging of the Industrial belts of Germany particularly the Ruhr valley wasn't just reparations for the war, but Morganthau's scheme to ensure a die-off of Germans in preparation for a totally agriculturally based Germany. Hanover, Munich, Frankfurt am Main, and Stuttgart were utterly ransacked, and have become abandoned with resettlement plans being drawn up for them to be re-industrialized.

4] Kulturkampf: American, French, and British interests monopolized their control of the International Zone as it was once called. A massive campaign must be launched to purge their cultural taint from the State due to their complicity in genocide.

5] Foreign Hostages: Foreign workers and others who were a part of the International Zone's Commission were taken hostage in 1967, and have been held alive within a secure facility. By all rights they are war criminals, but without a formal trial how can we hope to deal with them?

6] Cultural Theft: The majority of German artwork, and cultural treasures were stolen by various interests and taken abroad. Family records were burnt as well as several historic records as a way to break the German identity. A form of cultural stagnation is in effect with national interests being focused on revenge, and victimhood from the genocides.

Mention three (3) issues - domestic and foreign - that plague your nation and which you need to tackle in order to prosper.
Public Goals:
1] Reindustrialization: The industrial regions of Germany were devastated by the Morgenthau Plan.

2] Revenge: The Der Staat is aiming for revenge towards the allied powers for causing a genocide within Germany. Willy Brandt's attempted assassination attempt has only emboldened the man to pursue new heights by engaging in the beginnings of relations with the USR.

3) European Antipathy: Any wider attempt at European integration will be ignored. After all the cries of dead Germans weren't heard so why should we entertain the European states at all?

4] The Administrative Zone Spring: Should the more "idealistic" or "Pragmatic" of the party consensus win out or even other factions there trump out in the competition of consensus there is bound to be an interest in renewal, but what exactly that entails, and how far that renewal goes is up to the victor.

5] Overcoming the Cultural Stagnation: The stasis of victimhood in place by Willy Brandt serves a purpose, but the media is a tool to be utilized to control people as well as make new cultural content. Music, Theater, Opera, and Ballet as well as sports of various kinds must be funded not just for the sake of cultural survival, but to ensure that culture thrives.

6] Approaching the Culture Vultures: It's no secret the State looks dimly upon those who possess looted German artwork, statues, monuments, and even original copies of music as well as various fossils that now reside in museums that they don't belong to. Yet for the sake of not completely destroying relations or even starting them proxy companies in the West can arrange offers to buy back pieces of artwork.

7] Why do they fight?: The Morganthau Cell is at best described as an exercise of barbarity. Their leadership is reminiscent of the accursed Oscar Dirlewanger and his butchers out in Russia on the eastern front. They raid settlements to capture labor, execute or cripple working-age males, and then send people with bombs strapped to them toward Industrial Zones. One thing about them is their leadership is too competent...sometimes one wonders how they seem to get new weapons?

Private Goals:

Security Division 39's Goals


1] Operation Nightshade: Morgenthau in his own way was a genius when it came to ensuring an independence movement would be crippled. At the height of the famine the laughter of children disappeared, and if you wanted the freshest meat you didn't ask questions.

2] Operation Free Range: To propagandize, and radicalize the citizen population even more one considers the value of the misdirection. A population as fearful of war might not question who is actually responsible for an attack. We perform immoral actions so that our nation might see some revenge for the millions lost. What is 10,000 to save the memory of millions who died at the hands of the oppressor?

3] Operation Overload: Rumors of a disease spreading globally might just be rumors, but what if they could be blamed on someone? After all, we saw firsthand the use of bio weapons in the last war as well as to suppress our own revolt. Did Morganthau make these weapons? I think not, but instead, some foreign military did.

4] Operation Sheepskin: They say LSD has had some interesting results in human test subjects when it comes to inducing mental conditions. The power of the mind could give someone the confidence to do horrific things such as becoming a political candidate.

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Scientific Assessment Bureau's Goals


1] Operation Twilight: It's time for the culture of victimhood to end, but not without notice to the foreign elements that acted as gods upon our civilization. Some in the Committee fear that the superstition over using the word German needs to end. Morgenthau is dead, and if there's justice in the world burning in hell. It's time for a formal reclamation of the German government one led by a mixture of optimism, progress, and hope. Where Faith and Science collaborate for a better world regardless of outsider interference.

2] Operation Lineage: Morgenthau robbed our citizens of their formal first names, robbed them of their family lineages, of their cities and towns names. We sit in various enclaves fearful of the day the boogeyman comes back with firebombs, chemical weapons, monsters masquerading as doctors, and the gift of food tainted with blight. Its time for mass computerization to unite the enclaves, and formally rename them with their German names. No more Administrative Zone #1 only Bonn!

3] Operation Sunlight: The blight and the pollution heavily damaged the German landscape and it took years to get several waterways cleaned of diseases that modern civilization was content to let us "enjoy". Thanks to the "relocation" of our citizens by Morganthau to work camps several small towns were emptied, and have been abandoned for decades. The committee has approved experimental eco-friendly villages as an ideal way to begin renewing society and keep our citizens mindful of international fascism.

GDP (nominal): 450 billion.
Currency: Rationing Script: in order to ensure all citizens of the State reach a 1,500 to 2,000-calorie diet the script is a currency based on available rationed goods. No longer will citizens suffer the hunger pains of the famine, and endure the greed of the outside nations.
Economic System: Autarky: due to the avariciousness of foreign corporate entities, the deindustrialization of Germany by foreign powers, and the genocides that followed the only reliable system must be autarkic in nature.
Major Exports: Cereals, Sugarbeets, Milk, Pork, Beef, Wine, Wheat, Barley, Potato, Rapeseed, Rye, Triticale, Grapes, Apples, Maize, Cabbage, Carrots, Oats, and Onions in terms of crops. Lignite, Potash Salt, Uranium, Selenium, Boron, Flourspar, Feldspar, Salt, Sulphur, Graphite, Lime, and Bituminous Coal in mining products. Arms Industry.
Major Imports: Automotive, Construction, Machinery, Electrical, and Chemicals supplies.
Defense Budget (USD): $22.5 billion (five percent of GDP).
Alliance(s): None as the governments policy is isolation to the extreme. Alliances are what wrought Germany into a nightmare twice. As a consequence, the government refuses to involve itself explicitly in the wider capitalist-communist struggle. No official diplomatic relationship exists between Der Staat and the United States, but there are unofficial contacts between Der Staat and the USR thanks to the Diplomatische Einheit (Diplomatic Unit)

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches): The Statsarmee is comprised of Landstreikkräfte (Landstrike Forces),

Active Duty: 510,000
Reserve Duty: 90,000
Total Manpower: 600,000

Land Force: The Landstreikkräfte is the formal army of the State that is centered primarily on the defense of the current territory especially for a feared reprisal by allied powers as a consequence the current enrollment stands at 400,000. The Landstreikkräfte is often equipped with weapons left behind by the security forces of the International Zone, but the focus on military industry is enabling the update of the Landstreikkräfte.
Naval Force: The Seestreitkräfte is the naval element of the State standing at 30,000 members. Often using naval equipment and ships seized during the revolution there is a desire to improve the naval capacity for fear of invasion. The Seestreitkräfte ensures that foreigners stay in designated zones, and leave when the time comes.
Air Force: The Luftverteidigung is the air force element standing at 40,000. The Luftverteidigung relies on the leftover allied airfields, airbases, and equipment provided by International Security for Morganthau's project in Germany. The seizure of key airfields effectively crippled anti-revolutionary forces in their firebombing campaign and now serves to ensure that no one can scar the land again.
Other Military Information:

Leaders and Factions

A. Sicherheitsabteilung 39 Security Division 39 is the amoral engine that churns the internal and external security measures within the State. Their current directive is to deal with the Morganthau Cell, but there have been great difficulties in ensuring the Cell's defeat. Lead currently by Erich Mielke a dark man with secrets across the State an authoritarian who some whisper isn't content with the ideology of Stasis, but seeks instead to ensure revenge upon the Allied Commission. Other leaders such as Assistant Director [url=url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Schwanitz]Wolfgang Schwanitz[/url] know that revenge is utter folly, but control of the State especially its narrative by propaganda must be maintained. Curiously enough he is entertaining Willy Brandt with ideas of media mogul stories and is aiming to make outlandish spy telenovelas. His latest idea pitched focuses on the adventure of double agent Jane Bond an agent of the fictional USSR in her quest to contaminate the gold deposits of her enemy the United States.

B. Parteikern Party Core

C. Parteirevision: Party Revision is a movement dedicated to the formal restoration of economic and financial relationships with European countries if not political due to the outrage it could cause within the body politic of the Party. Leaders such as Helmut Schmidt believe that a softer form of dictatorship and an initiative to begin formal financial institutions within the State might in turn enrich the State and allow a cultural rejuvenation through buybacks of artwork, statues, and monuments taken from German Soil. Meanwhile, leaders such as Egon Krenz seek to transform the dictatorship into an economic engine by utilizing the current products of the German economy to turn it into the breadbasket of Europe.

D. Parteiradikale: Party radical

E. Büro für wissenschaftliche Bewertung: The Scientific Assessment Bureau is lead by the Committee of Advancement with various departments competing with one another for their ideals and directions. Unified however they are in terms of the future they hope for Germany, and that they might be the best ones to do it. They operate on the 4 Theaters Platform: Peace, Prosperity, Hope, and Future.
*Peter Beyer the director of the agricultural unit whose rice was able to feed Germans during the famine, and stabilize the food supply.
*Magnus Von Braun the director of the rocketry unit who aims to send Germany to the stars.
*Karin Buttner Janz the director of the gymnastics unit, aiming to revitalize German culture.
* Max Delbruck the director of physiology with a keen interest in genetics.
*Konrad Zuse the director of Computational Technology who aims to computerize Germany in a collected network of systems ensuring its eventual recovery. The founder of the modern computer he refused to leave his homeland behind.
Gustav Heinreich Ralph Von Koenigswald the director of the paleontology unit aiming to be able to explore fossils freely once again.
Georges J F Kohler director of the biology unit who aspires to revolutionize knowledge on the immune system.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Haber[/url]

History:

1945-1967: The Morgenthau Plan


1945-1949: Direct Allied Control

July 10th, 1947 Allied Control Councils Adoption of the Containment Plan
"With the agreement of the majority of allied powers save the dissenting minority the containment of the German People shall begin in earnest with the establishment of the International Zone. The German people have proven twice a threat to world peace, and must under the stewardship of capable individuals be able to ensure that the citizens of the former Germany shall come to embrace their role as citizens within new multiple nation-states. A most important suggestion is to deindustrialize the population and transform the German landscape into one focused on Agriculture rather than wartime capabilities.


1950-1967: Morgenthau's Prison State

Morgenthau's diary January 12th, 1950

I have been put in charge of handling the German question and whether that's a curse or a blessing remains to be seen. What is clear is that Allied Command didn't take my proposition seriously enough the economic census reports that at least 80 percent of Germany's industrial assets remain intact. If a revolt were to happen this would put us majorly behind in operations. I have devised a ten year plan to commence the destruction of German industry, and also contacted experts as to best begin propping up the German population into agricultural spheres.



General Montgomery's Report on the Workers Revolt of 1953

It should surmise that the progress in the former German State will not continue if at the very least we don't work on establishing a collaborative elite. To put it quite simply the people are starving and they will end up communist before the year's end if we don't do something about it. I suspect there are communist infiltrators making a ruckus, but our situation might also be influenced by Roman elements. It shouldn't be surprising their ambassador was disgusted with the reports of walking corpses being seen across Europe. I am recommending the intensifying of security, but efforts must be made to create a group of ruthless, efficient, and loyal collaborators. At the moment the Germans cannot be trusted to leave this prison state outside of official sanctions for those whose contributions to humanity outweigh staying in this hellhole. My report indicates a media blackout is necessary, up the caloric intake to 2,000 calories, and work to divide the populace so they're angry at one another.


Frederick Millar, 1st Baron Inchyra report on Complicity to Radio Free Europe a Roman outlet, dated April 1957

I am beyond disturbed about the reports I am hearing across the black spot of Europe, that wretched prison state. I want to file my request for dismissal from the Security Advisory Board of the International Zone, but I want assurances my defection will be secure to the East. I cannot believe have come to this...we wanted to punish the Germans, but is this the best course of action? I ran across a racket of German artwork in France and elsewhere the whole area is being deculturized, and I know its Kaufman's idea the man is openly genocidal in his opinion of the Germans. I went to see Berlin after being repeatedly denied a security transport there, and I was aided by a neutral journalist who showed me the site of the former Brandenburg gate. Berlin is shuttered and abandoned, where the hell did nearly 3 million people go? More importantly, why are there work crews disassembling the city?


Herbert Hoovers Memoir of a Genocide published in 1964

The setting on the television points to an elderly Herbert Hoover, and another American a reporter by the name of Walter Cronkite. "We're sitting here today International Food Security Chief Herbert Hoover a once prominent American statesman who fell out of grace following his scathing criticism of the American government's participation in what is now known today as the International Zone, and what would you like to tell the folks back home about this?".

Herbert Hoover: "If I could say one thing its that the media has obscured for many years the facts that this is a genocide".

Walter Cronkite: "Those are harsh words, but I wouldn't expect any kinder for one of the most vehement opponents on public record. You've appeared on multiple international networks condemning the International Zone, and some speculate that this recent publication brings conclusive proof to your allegations".

Herbert Hoover: "I've been effectively exiled from my home for telling the truth. I was born an American citizen, but my body will rest in Constantinople in exile to an ungrateful people. I have conclusive proof from sources inside the zone that this isn't just the erasure of a German statehood, but of the people. Recent census data as well as private correspondence from several leaks show that over 25 percent of the German population has died. I can't even begin to think of any conscionable reasoning for continuing the occupation at this point".

Walter Cronkite: "You're effectively accusing the allied powers of war crimes correct?".

Herbert Hoover: "In no uncertain terms yes...God forgive them for this...my entire lives work has been to ensure people stayed fed. The reports coming out of the zone...they're starving these people to death and that 'International Volunteer Program' is forced labor. I've even got aerial data supporting the fact several major cities are essentially abandoned. The International Zone is running on the support of its allies alone, and if there is an insurrection the Commissioner's forces will crumble.

Walter Cronkite: "I'm curious what would you propose its been nearly 19 years since the beginning of the occupation? We can't simply let Germany back to normal status".

Herbert Hoover: "Im suggesting if anyone listens to me over at that end of Europe a plan to decommission the zone and begin the transition to a normal respectable government. This of course will require trials for those involved in the abuses, it's painful to say this, but several people from multiple countries are guilty. There is a reason the Romans haven't had good relationships with their former allies. If you don't do this at a natural pace...the people will escape their prison eventually.

Walter Cronkite: "Well Mr. Hoover I found this quite fascinating, and I'd like to thank you, and the Roman government for this interview. The natural order will be to see how popular or unpopular you're book is, and if it can at the very least convince some hearts". Walter Cronkite went over to shake Hoover's hand leaning over to whisper something to him whatever it was made his face turn pale.

Herbert Hoover: "Thank...you Mr. Cronkite this has been a...lovely visit I need to rest now".


Morgenthau's Diary, Dated November 1966


It has been some time since my appointment as Chief Commissioner of the International Zone. At the moment the former German state is down to 10 percent Industrial capacity. This machine the "Prison state" as many of my compatriots call it runs smoothly. The society of the International Zone is divided between one another as loyal collaborators who seek the material comforts of the modern world, and gladly betray their uncooperative neighbors. Though some of them go much further, and adamantly defend their own imprisonment because I offer better conditions to them.

Eventually, within a few generations, the only ones living here will be fully loyal and addicted to material comforts as well as the international support staff. The cities will be rebuilt in a modern international fashion as the German tongue becomes replaced by a more necessary lingua franca. A people who work hand and foot to ensure that they will never war with another nation again. It was unfortunate to have to use Kaufman's methods, but sterilization limits the potential for future trouble. I suspect that my work will continue long after I am gone, and the maps will look quite different.

1967-1970: The Famine, and the Revolution

Willy Brandt recounting the day

February 6th,1967: The Day the Black Eagle rose it started like any other day as people assembled for their work shifts in the hopes of a decent meal, and decent pay. Maybe they could finally afford a ticket out of the "prison" they were living in. Regardless Erich Mielke a lowly policeman who served as a bruiser to cover up his resistance activities set about his work, and without anyone, but the right people noticing slipped a key to the security battalion armory underneath a brick near a pile of rubber. While he set up screwing up orders near the radio station the false flag started as many of the security battalions responded to the strike that railroad workers were putting on near one of the key junctions. Morgenthau was absolutely furious I remember since I was the man's secretary perhaps the bastard saw something in me as a "loyalist", but he had to know his time was up.


Peter Beyer recounts the famine

It started in June and July 1967 I remember in one of the liberated agricultural zones the workers were desperately trying to harvest the Spring Barley, and it looked sickly as if something had gone wrong with it. My fears were confirmed when some of the workers made bread with it to supplement the disruption in rations. It didn't go well many vomited, and many died. After words, I started hearing Barley harvests failing across all of Germany, and as zones were liberated the stockpiles were tapped into and rationed in order to make them last. The situation got worse our rapeseed, rye, and wheat started to fail. Families that had gorged their first meal enchanted by freedom found themselves rushing to hospitals or in a coffin.

For all intents and purposes, universal crop failure was declared, but the war had to go on to liberate the rest of the "International Zone". At first things were reduced to 1,500 calories, and that lasted until the new year. This wasn't the end of it, as Morganthau's troops consolidated their desperation they turned to weapons of wrath more than tactics equipping their helicopters with a defoliant. The damage to our farmland and forests is incalculable, and the worst part is...they say we have hospital wards of deformed children apparently a side effect of it. Suffice to say we put an end to their air raids, and within the beginning of 1968 the formal resistance turned into resistance cells.


Erich Mielke recounts the famine (1968-1970).

I remember the day we caught Kaufman the madman who made the cruelty of "Allied Commission" all the more banal. Kaufman I am proud to say is still alive as the government wants to put him on trial. His evil is a special one he wrote a book back in 1941 openly advocating for genocide, but not the kind Hitler did. Instead, it would be sterilization a painless genocide. As if watching your entire country be sterilized knowing it was going to die in a century made things better. Morgenthau only partially implemented Kaufman's advice saving sterilization for those who wouldn't collaborate with forced labor exchanges with the allied countries. Our doctors speculate a good twenty percent of people living in our borders today are sterilized. So as a result family planning is one of the cornerstones of government, and abortion is viewed skeptically.

The famine in all senses of the word devastated this country before it got boots back on the ground and it is without a doubt a genocide in my mind on top of the millions who perished under the plan. I don't think Willy ever recovered after hearing about how the children who died didn't stay buried. Cannibalism is a touchy subject to bring up today, but at least one of our neighbors likely did it. As for me I ate shoe leather and glue off of the walls even dirt was better than that. The famine ended by 1970, but none of us have ever recovered and we're a paralyzed people something our neighbors directly responsible for should have to face one day.


1970-1980: The current stasis


The 1st meeting of the Government of Reconstruction, September 1971

Willy Brandt: I suggest we get this meeting started. As we have a lot to discuss with the fighting out of its active phase.

Erich Mielke: I first propose we begin concrete border initiatives to ensure that the allied powers don't get the idea to launch an offensive. If we don't then we could very well see troops marching toward the Rhine again. For the time being the country simply needs to be under lock and key as its proven that foreign elements are a dangerous mix to these early situations.

Egon Krenz: If it weren't for some of those foreign elements then we might not have been as well prepared have you forget proxy corporation assistance from the Romans?

Erich Mielke: I haven't, but the French border us, and the British have clear naval superiority and we're going to starve if we let them blockade nearby territory again.

Willy Brandt: I will not hear anything about War, thats what got us into this mess did it not?

Peter Beyer: I suggest we focus on food first border security is important, but establishing trading networks to allow us to import vital necessities is key. Food is the first goal, and secondly, our industrial capacity is at ten percent... it's pathetic, and needs to be rebuilt.

Konrad Zuse: There is also the manner of efficiency. Morganthau had me working on a wondrous thing a way to artificially regulate the settlements via network. I never truly gave him the entire scope of my project though for he would have surely used it to benefit the allies.

Willy Brandt: You're talking about the Computerization Project?

Konrad Zuse: Yes, imagine a nation built off not only efficiency, but self-sufficiency with automatic handlers guiding us. My scientists speculate at most it will take a century for Germany to recover, and the following centuries to see a 1939 population. We cannot allow foreign enemies to abuse us again on this matter.

Helmut Schmidt: I believe there is also the matter of a Law of Return that needs to be considered. We need to start advertising for the welcoming back of German citizens of all stripes. Jewish citizens as well as mixed african citizens from the former colonies and other ethnic groups never got their property back or compensation. At the very least they qualify for rights here.

Willy Brandt: I agree, but with regards to foreign powers what if they demand restitution?

Egon Krenz: With what money? The labor camp ponzi scheme they were running here has left little room for alternatives. Germany was a profit margin, a debtors prison and if they try and take it well Mielke has a plan for that.

Willy Brandt: What plan exactly?

Erich Mielke: We're calling it Operation Wormwood, we can't win the war, but the land will be useless after words.

Willy Brandt: Dear God...you're talking about making the land uninhabitable aren't you?

Erich Mielke: Only in the face of an absolute war once certain perimeters have been breached. A centuries-long slash and burn it's not as if we don't have pollution problems to deal with from Morgenthau.

Peter Beyer: I think this meeting needs to take a recess and meet later.

Everyone: Agreed.



Willy Brandt's Attempted Assassination, Dated December 1973

The Morgenthau Cell, Convention of the Security Council, Dated January 1975


Willy Brandt: Who are these people? This is the fifth industrial complex they have attacked this year alone.

Erich Mielke: They are a cult obsessed with completing the mission of Morgenthau. I use the term loosely as most likely they are fundamentalist leftovers from the prison state that want to ensure we complete our penance.

Egon Krenz: I suspect they may be parts of the security battalion who dissipated into various fifth columns with orders coming internationally. I wonder though how long their funding will continue if they can't pull off more serious destabilization. At the moment they are attacking factories, but ultimately it would be a useful distraction to a potential Allied invasion.

Willy Brandt: Would an invasion be popular amongst their populace? If they had any hope of invading they would have done it during the Revolution and crushed us all then.

Erich Mielke: Perhaps the hope is to weed us out of serious international competition and keep us weak until they can prepare a surprise invasion?

Egon Krenz: Do we have conclusive proof they are acting on official orders, and not just carrying out old orders in spirit? The collapse of the International Zone was a massive public relations disaster for the Allies.

Erich Mielke: Exactly! They are embarrassed and want to strike back reclaiming our lands to enact their punitive reparations.

Willy Brandt: In the meantime double the border security, and increase military patrols. We won't have the Allies as unwelcome guests back here for a long time.


The Technocrats Complaint, Dated October 1977


Brothers and Sisters of the Revolution!

How Long will the state of affairs continue? I ask as the very revolution which promised to free us from the prison of the dictator Morgenthau has imprisoned us here only with the job of guards over former treacherous collaborators! We sit as one of the most isolated countries on the face of the planet afraid of boogeymen of a bygone era. The solution stands before us, we must rise to the occasion and plead the case that time has come to change! Our nation must rise as a phoenix upon the international stage, and demonstrate progress.

We begin by arranging local elections in the remaining human settlements within our country. We begin by showing the outside media the damage the Allies have done to our lands, our people, our cities, and our culture. We begin by putting on trial the war criminals we have locked up so they must publicly confess to the whole world their crimes. Our people cry for change, to be more than fearful victims of the godless Allies and their servants. Can we truly say this is the peak of our civilization or does more await us?

The 1979 Parteirevision Manifesto


Brothers and sisters the stagnation and victimhood within our society must end. The Allies must pay for their war crimes in the field of diplomacy they must answer to God and all that is holy. Let peace bloom in our land and be the hatred they so desire. Let our freedoms stand as an affront to their chains of slavery. Let knowledge rain down upon the peoples of the earth in opposition to their ignorance. Remember citizens of the state stand ever vigilant as the world will shock and buckle under the weight of our truths. Bring the war criminals to justice and peace to the nations of Europe!



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This is mainly to show I'm getting my app done, but doing my historical section in an unusual way. Taking opinion bits from relevant figures, and putting them in the place of just paragraphs or bullet points. For context as to why Hoover is here, the man in real life was one of the most vocal critics of the plan next to Anthony Eden because it flew directly in the face of his life's work.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:18 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Yeah…the thing is that no-one wants to take down the drastically unstable Iranian Empire for fear of the possible consequences:
1. It fails and you’ve pissed off Iran to the point of aligning with the other faction. The Iran which holds half of the oil that you can get.
2. Iran destabilises. Congrats. You have a pile of warlords, some with nukes.
3. It works, and the remaining loyalists blow shit up. By blow shit up, I mean nuke Europe.

I thought you said many of Iran’s territories were already destabilised, as a way to balance its power.

It is. But destabilising it further will lead to full blown warlordism/civil war. ie. You gave a pile of deluded hawks nukes. And by destabilised I mean a cacophony of terrorist groups, Guerrillas, independence movements, etc.
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Postby Theyra » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:50 am

So just to be certain I did things right. A good military defense budget for an economy of 182.872 Billion would be 20 billion?

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Postby Dragos Bee » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:54 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I thought you said many of Iran’s territories were already destabilised, as a way to balance its power.

It is. But destabilising it further will lead to full blown warlordism/civil war. ie. You gave a pile of deluded hawks nukes. And by destabilised I mean a cacophony of terrorist groups, Guerrillas, independence movements, etc.


Byzantium has a vested interest in a stable Iran for this reason, btw. That and Byzatnium + Seljuks + Greater Georgia have a huge amount of Oil.
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Postby Upper Magica » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:59 am

Theyra wrote:So just to be certain I did things right. A good military defense budget for an economy of 182.872 Billion would be 20 billion?


Generally, defense budgets range from 2%ish in most democratic states burdened by other expenses(welfare, yay!) and unburdened by external threats. On the other end of the spectrum would be about 8%ish at most, a club featuring lovely actors such as Saudi Arabia. In general, 5% is a good realistic target.

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Postby Dragos Bee » Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:04 am

The Rio Grande River Basin, Theyra, why don't we have one of our first actions be a joint IC post declaring an Oil Embargo on the US and Great Britain (and anyone who was on board with the Morgenthau Plan)?
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