A COLD WAR (1980 Geopolitcal RP) - OOC

[Sao Nova Europa]

RESERVATION
NS Name: GCCS
RP Name: The Senate and People of America
Territory: The US (minus other claims), Puerto Rico, Hispaniola
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RESERVATION NOTED

[Upper Magica]

RESERVATION
NS Name: Magica
RP Name: The Pacific Kongsi Federation
Territory: Indonesia, Malaysia, Australasia, Micronesia, Melanesia, Polynesia sans Hawaii, Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines

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United States of Greater Lanfang time.

[Dragos Bee]

Snip.

I'll be honest, would Henry Morgenthau Jr. even exist in this timeline? France in this timeline is different from IRL France (if the app is accepted), Britain and America are merely reservations, and my nation, which was accepted earlier and whose history had it as a key part of the Alter-Allies in Alter-WW2, would never have accepted anything resembling the Morgenthau Plan due to it setting a bad precedent for American treatment of European powers (Byzantium cares about that sort of thing, yes).

I think this would need to be talked over with the American player once his own reservation is accepted.

Edit: Also, to be honest, considering the fact that no one has made the prime Capitalist superpower yet and the territory of the IRL USA is split in-between the Pacific States of America (WIP App) and the Senate and People of America (Reservation), we might need someone to fill in the slot of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower' and you seem experienced enough to do so.

Edit 2: But if you're genuinely not interested, I'll try and ask Sao/Sherlock Holmes if I can edit my claims to include Sicily and all of Non-French Italy and apply for the position of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower'.

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Upper Magica, cool reservation, note that someone made a Korea reservation that claimed Malaysia.

[Ukcross]

RESERVATION
NS Name:The Dual Monarchy of Ukcross
RP Name:The Sultanate of the Sahara
Territory:


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[Ukcross]

RESERVATION
NS Name:The Dual Monarchy of Ukcross
RP Name:The Sultanate of the Sahara
Territory:
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Just made it a bit bigger

[Ealdracaland]

RESERVATION
NS Name: Ealdracaland
RP Name: The Goryeo Patriarchate
Territory: Korea, Sakhalin, Taiwan, Malaysia, Hainan

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I redid the application

[Newne Carriebean7]

RESERVATION
NS Name:The Dual Monarchy of Ukcross
RP Name:The Sultanate of the Sahara
Territory:
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Hey, this is the British player, I own Western Sahara and Equatorial Guinea, so I guess being surrounded on all sides is going to be reeallly fun.

[Dragos Bee]

RESERVATION
NS Name:The Dual Monarchy of Ukcross
RP Name:The Sultanate of the Sahara
Territory:
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Do not remove - 1980RP

Hey, this is the British player, I own Western Sahara and Equatorial Guinea, so I guess being surrounded on all sides is going to be reeallly fun.

Question: Do you intend Britain to be more Celtic in your app?

[Newne Carriebean7]

Hey, this is the British player, I own Western Sahara and Equatorial Guinea, so I guess being surrounded on all sides is going to be reeallly fun.

Question: Do you intend Britain to be more Celtic in your app?

I'm sort of combining a bit of characteristics from a Clan based society inspired partially off of somali clan based system, combined with Scottish, English and (to a far lesser extent, the damn Welsh) clans, all caked with a mostly absolute monarchy that's still refusing to go into the 20th century without some good old fashioned kicking and screaming. We're sort of a democracy, but the King still wields significant power.

[Dragos Bee]

Question: Do you intend Britain to be more Celtic in your app?

I'm sort of combining a bit of characteristics from a Clan based society inspired partially off of somali clan based system, combined with Scottish, English and (to a far lesser extent, the damn Welsh) clans, all caked with a mostly absolute monarchy that's still refusing to go into the 20th century without some good old fashioned kicking and screaming. We're sort of a democracy, but the King still wields significant power.

I'm a Cymruphile (aka Welsh-phile), so it is okay as long as the Welsh have representation.

Byzantium is also a Monarchy where the Empress has executive power but the legislature is democratic, so they may sympathize with your own nation.

Also, question: Were you Allies, or Axis? And if Allies, are you okay with what the German WIP App wrote about Britain?

[Newne Carriebean7]

I'm sort of combining a bit of characteristics from a Clan based society inspired partially off of somali clan based system, combined with Scottish, English and (to a far lesser extent, the damn Welsh) clans, all caked with a mostly absolute monarchy that's still refusing to go into the 20th century without some good old fashioned kicking and screaming. We're sort of a democracy, but the King still wields significant power.

I'm a Cymruphile (aka Welsh-phile), so okay as long as the Welsh have representation.

Byzantium is also a Monarchy where the Empress has executive power but the legislature is democratic, so they may sympathize with your own nation.

Also, question: Were you Allies, or Axis? And if Allies, are you okay with what the German WIP App wrote about Britain?

The welsh have representation, just not nearly as much as either Scotland or Briton(/Britain, either works)

Sweet, maybe we can be frens.

tbh, I haven't even gotten to WWII in my history, (currently I'm on the scramble for Africa rn) and as to what the German's wrote about Britain, I can totally see the "Briton-Teutonic Central German Company" withholding either selling or giving out grain (for a loss, *shudder*) to starving germans. They'd either demand that the Germans pay for the grain they provide, and if they can't do that, then they don't ship any grain and just let the Germans starve instead.

I'm not really sure on the whole Morganteau thing, but perhaps Britain can keep the blockade of Germany to prevent food shipments from coming in from neutral countries, so that would give the germans a damn good reason to hate the Britons, Scotts and those Welsh fellas.

[Dragos Bee]

I'm a Cymruphile (aka Welsh-phile), so okay as long as the Welsh have representation.

Byzantium is also a Monarchy where the Empress has executive power but the legislature is democratic, so they may sympathize with your own nation.

Also, question: Were you Allies, or Axis? And if Allies, are you okay with what the German WIP App wrote about Britain?

The welsh have representation, just not nearly as much as either Scotland or Briton(/Britain, either works)

Sweet, maybe we can be frens.

tbh, I haven't even gotten to WWII in my history, (currently I'm on the scramble for Africa rn) and as to what the German's wrote about Britain, I can totally see the "Briton-Teutonic Central German Company" withholding either selling or giving out grain (for a loss, *shudder*) to starving germans. They'd either demand that the Germans pay for the grain they provide, and if they can't do that, then they don't ship any grain and just let the Germans starve instead.

I'm not really sure on the whole Morganteau thing, but perhaps Britain can keep the blockade of Germany to prevent food shipments from coming in from neutral countries, so that would give the germans a damn good reason to hate the Britons, Scotts and those Welsh fellas.

I'll be honest, Byzantium would oppose the Morgenthau Plan, for the very reasons it did not get adopted IRL, namely, it's wasteful, and a reconstructed, re-industrialized but de-Nazified Germany would be better for Europe (and Byzantium itself). Plus it's just horrid.

But honestly, I can't stop Benuty if he wants to RP that out - I just think that it clashes with the other existing reservations and claims and forces a major war crime and a setback from said war crime onto people who want to be part of the Capitalist Bloc.

Sorry if I seem to be rude to him or to you, btw. I'm trying not to be abrasive.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Snip.

I'll be honest, would Henry Morgenthau Jr. even exist in this timeline? France in this timeline is different from IRL France (if the app is accepted), Britain and America are merely reservations, and my nation, which was accepted earlier and whose history had it as a key part of the Alter-Allies in Alter-WW2, would never have accepted anything resembling the Morgenthau Plan due to it setting a bad precedent for American treatment of European powers (Byzantium cares about that sort of thing, yes).

I think this would need to be talked over with the American player once his own reservation is accepted.

Edit: Also, to be honest, considering the fact that no one has made the prime Capitalist superpower yet and the territory of the IRL USA is split in-between the Pacific States of America (WIP App) and the Senate and People of America (Reservation), we might need someone to fill in the slot of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower' and you seem experienced enough to do so.

Edit 2: But if you're genuinely not interested, I'll try and ask Sao/Sherlock Holmes if I can edit my claims to include Sicily and all of Non-French Italy and apply for the position of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower'.

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Upper Magica, cool reservation, note that someone made a Korea reservation that claimed Malaysia.

I am currently writing the US as a superpower.

[Dragos Bee]

I'll be honest, would Henry Morgenthau Jr. even exist in this timeline? France in this timeline is different from IRL France (if the app is accepted), Britain and America are merely reservations, and my nation, which was accepted earlier and whose history had it as a key part of the Alter-Allies in Alter-WW2, would never have accepted anything resembling the Morgenthau Plan due to it setting a bad precedent for American treatment of European powers (Byzantium cares about that sort of thing, yes).

I think this would need to be talked over with the American player once his own reservation is accepted.

Edit: Also, to be honest, considering the fact that no one has made the prime Capitalist superpower yet and the territory of the IRL USA is split in-between the Pacific States of America (WIP App) and the Senate and People of America (Reservation), we might need someone to fill in the slot of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower' and you seem experienced enough to do so.

Edit 2: But if you're genuinely not interested, I'll try and ask Sao/Sherlock Holmes if I can edit my claims to include Sicily and all of Non-French Italy and apply for the position of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower'.

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Upper Magica, cool reservation, note that someone made a Korea reservation that claimed Malaysia.

I am currently writing the US as a superpower.

Thanks, GCCS; let's work together.

Edit: Also, again, I mean no ill against Benuty or his choice for a nation, I'm just raising some issues and hope to discuss them in a way that isn't rude.

[Upper Magica]

I'll be honest, would Henry Morgenthau Jr. even exist in this timeline? France in this timeline is different from IRL France (if the app is accepted), Britain and America are merely reservations, and my nation, which was accepted earlier and whose history had it as a key part of the Alter-Allies in Alter-WW2, would never have accepted anything resembling the Morgenthau Plan due to it setting a bad precedent for American treatment of European powers (Byzantium cares about that sort of thing, yes).

I think this would need to be talked over with the American player once his own reservation is accepted.

Edit: Also, to be honest, considering the fact that no one has made the prime Capitalist superpower yet and the territory of the IRL USA is split in-between the Pacific States of America (WIP App) and the Senate and People of America (Reservation), we might need someone to fill in the slot of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower' and you seem experienced enough to do so.

Edit 2: But if you're genuinely not interested, I'll try and ask Sao/Sherlock Holmes if I can edit my claims to include Sicily and all of Non-French Italy and apply for the position of 'Prime Capitalist Superpower'.

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Upper Magica, cool reservation, note that someone made a Korea reservation that claimed Malaysia.

I am currently writing the US as a superpower.

Aw man, I'm writing the Pacific Federation as a superpower! Something like a mirror of the Japanese concept of 'hakko ichiu' except, like, actually sort-of wholesome and minus the whole 'enslavement of actual hundreds of millions' with heavy imperialist undertones. The guiding principles/ideology behind it would be more like syncretism between Locke/Rousseau(much like how most Enlightenment-era republics/radical liberal movements were rooted in those particular philosophies) and Wang Yangming's school of philosophy tinged with a bit of democratic-idealist expansionism.

First one to the gate wins? I can, at any rate, easily adapt my concept to be more... of a regional kind of power.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

I am currently writing the US as a superpower.

Aw man, I'm writing the Pacific Federation as a superpower! Something like a mirror of the Japanese concept of 'hakko ichiu' except, like, actually sort-of wholesome and minus the whole 'enslavement of actual hundreds of millions' with heavy imperialist undertones. The guiding principles/ideology behind it would be more like syncretism between Locke/Rousseau(much like how most Enlightenment-era republics/radical liberal movements were rooted in those particular philosophies) and Wang Yangming's school of philosophy tinged with a bit of democratic-idealist expansionism.

First one to the gate wins? I can, at any rate, easily adapt my concept to be more... of a regional kind of power.

Or it could be a non-aligned superpower?

[Upper Magica]

Aw man, I'm writing the Pacific Federation as a superpower! Something like a mirror of the Japanese concept of 'hakko ichiu' except, like, actually sort-of wholesome and minus the whole 'enslavement of actual hundreds of millions' with heavy imperialist undertones. The guiding principles/ideology behind it would be more like syncretism between Locke/Rousseau(much like how most Enlightenment-era republics/radical liberal movements were rooted in those particular philosophies) and Wang Yangming's school of philosophy tinged with a bit of democratic-idealist expansionism.

First one to the gate wins? I can, at any rate, easily adapt my concept to be more... of a regional kind of power.

Or it could be a non-aligned superpower?

Mmm, I feel that would undercut Sao's vision of a bipolar kind of world here a la the actual Cold War, but I'll wait to see what they say

I don't mind reworking the concept - it's pretty malleable IMO. I have the first half written up already, but there's a variety of ways it can go: if a Communist regional power is needed, it can go that way, if a more democratic-capitalist power is needed, that's pretty much on track so far with the backstory, and if a superpower is needed, well... no change needed!

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Or it could be a non-aligned superpower?

Mmm, I feel that would undercut Sao's vision of a bipolar kind of world here a la the actual Cold War, but I'll wait to see what they say

I don't mind reworking the concept - it's pretty malleable IMO. I have the first half written up already, but there's a variety of ways it can go: if a Communist regional power is needed, it can go that way, if a more democratic-capitalist power is needed, that's pretty much on track so far with the backstory, and if a superpower is needed, well... no change needed!

Well, so far there are several non-aligned regional powers.

[Dragos Bee]

Benuty, sorry for asking you directly, but is it all right if Byzantium, which is an Allied Power in this timeline and whose leadership is smart enough to know that the Morgenthau Plan is bonkers, decided to break with the rest of the Allied Powers over said plan and did everything it could to undermine it, including shipping humanitarian aid to Germany, housing refugees, and even providing weapons to revolutionaries?

And yes, Byzantium's historical diplomacy provides plenty of precedent for this.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Benuty, sorry for asking you directly, but is it all right if Byzantium, which is an Allied Power in this timeline and whose leadership is smart enough to know that the Morgenthau Plan is bonkers, decided to break with the rest of the Allied Powers over said plan and did everything it could to undermine it, including shipping humanitarian aid to Germany, housing refugees, and even providing weapons to revolutionaries?

And yes, Byzantium's historical diplomacy provides plenty of precedent for this.

If Iran somehow learnt about it they might have turned a blind eye. Or they might have threatened oil embargoes.

[Dragos Bee]

Benuty, sorry for asking you directly, but is it all right if Byzantium, which is an Allied Power in this timeline and whose leadership is smart enough to know that the Morgenthau Plan is bonkers, decided to break with the rest of the Allied Powers over said plan and did everything it could to undermine it, including shipping humanitarian aid to Germany, housing refugees, and even providing weapons to revolutionaries?

And yes, Byzantium's historical diplomacy provides plenty of precedent for this.

If Iran somehow learnt about it they might have turned a blind eye. Or they might have threatened oil embargoes.

How much to turn a blind eye? Byzantium can help you build the Aswan Dam in your nation's Egyptian territory if it did so or even sided with it in order to undermine the Morgenthau Plan.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

If Iran somehow learnt about it they might have turned a blind eye. Or they might have threatened oil embargoes.

How much to turn a blind eye? Byzantium can help you build the Aswan Dam in your nation's Egyptian territory if it did so or even sided with it in order to undermine the Morgenthau Plan.

No, I mean the Morgenthau plan, not Byzantium’s actions. I’d reckon Byzantium and Iran have grown to become allies after being competitors in the earlier years. I’m going to have written in the Timurid empire crushing Iran in the 1500s, then Iran tearing itself back out.

[Dragos Bee]

How much to turn a blind eye? Byzantium can help you build the Aswan Dam in your nation's Egyptian territory if it did so or even sided with it in order to undermine the Morgenthau Plan.

No, I mean the Morgenthau plan, not Byzantium’s actions. I’d reckon Byzantium and Iran have grown to become allies after being competitors in the earlier years. I’m going to have written in the Timurid empire crushing Iran in the 1500s, then Iran tearing itself back out.

Perfect, and cool. But yeah, Byzantium would welcome Seljuk help in undermining the Morgenthau Plan precisely because it undermines European Unity to feed American arrogance.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

No, I mean the Morgenthau plan, not Byzantium’s actions. I’d reckon Byzantium and Iran have grown to become allies after being competitors in the earlier years. I’m going to have written in the Timurid empire crushing Iran in the 1500s, then Iran tearing itself back out.

Perfect, and cool. But yeah, Byzantium would welcome Seljuk help in undermining the Morgenthau Plan precisely because it undermines European Unity to feed American arrogance.

The Seljuks are also likely the ones with their hands round Europe’s throat. Consider; almost all of the oil they can get is from Iran and its colonies.

[Dragos Bee]

Perfect, and cool. But yeah, Byzantium would welcome Seljuk help in undermining the Morgenthau Plan precisely because it undermines European Unity to feed American arrogance.

The Seljuks are also likely the ones with their hands round Europe’s throat. Consider; almost all of the oil they can get is from Iran and its colonies.

Indeed, and Byzantium has a modern army and navy that can back up the oil blockade.