A COLD WAR (1980 Geopolitcal RP) - OOC

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

The Seljuks are also likely the ones with their hands round Europe’s throat. Consider; almost all of the oil they can get is from Iran and its colonies.

Indeed, and Byzantium has a modern army and navy that can back up the oil blockade.

I wouldn’t really call it a blockade. Blockading all of Europe and the US would be a tad difficult. More “we ain’t gonna sell you oil”.

[Dragos Bee]

Indeed, and Byzantium has a modern army and navy that can back up the oil blockade.

I wouldn’t really call it a blockade. Blockading all of Europe and the US would be a tad difficult. More “we ain’t gonna sell you oil”.

An embargo, you mean, then?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Indeed, and Byzantium has a modern army and navy that can back up the oil blockade.

I wouldn’t really call it a blockade. Blockading all of Europe and the US would be a tad difficult. More “we ain’t gonna sell you oil”.

Maybe Iran needs a regime change.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

I wouldn’t really call it a blockade. Blockading all of Europe and the US would be a tad difficult. More “we ain’t gonna sell you oil”.

An embargo, you mean, then?

Mhm.

I wouldn’t really call it a blockade. Blockading all of Europe and the US would be a tad difficult. More “we ain’t gonna sell you oil”.

Maybe Iran needs a regime change.

The reason that hasn’t been tried is that you end up with one of three possibilities.

1. You piss the shit out of Iran if it fails, and congrats, you now have a close with the commies Iran. And no oil.
2. Iran collapses, and you end up with multiple destabilised states, terrorist states, communists states, etc. and a vengeful Iranian public. Oh, and did I mention the nukes?
3. Iran breaks into civil war. With nukes. And likely one aimed at America.

[Dragos Bee]

I wouldn’t really call it a blockade. Blockading all of Europe and the US would be a tad difficult. More “we ain’t gonna sell you oil”.

Maybe Iran needs a regime change.

Are you actually going through with the Morgenthau Plan in your own nation's fictional history?

If so, Byzantium and Iran/Seljuks will be working together with anyone and everyone who is not the USR to undermine it.

Theyra, still interested in playing Georgia? How would you like to be part of an attempt to undermine the Morgenthau Plan to genocide Germany as revenge for its WWII Atrocities?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Maybe Iran needs a regime change.

Are you actually going through with the Morgenthau Plan in your own nation's fictional history?

If so, Byzantium and Iran/Seljuks will be working together with anyone and everyone who is not the USR to undermine it.

Theyra, still interested in playing Georgia? How would you like to be part of an attempt to undermine the Morgenthau Plan to genocide Germany as revenge for its WWII Atrocities?

This is Iran, a nation (which if we assume the nazis go through the same path), actually didn't mind the whole "DIE ARYAN RACE", stuff…as they were the Aryan race stuff…

[Dragos Bee]

Are you actually going through with the Morgenthau Plan in your own nation's fictional history?

If so, Byzantium and Iran/Seljuks will be working together with anyone and everyone who is not the USR to undermine it.

Theyra, still interested in playing Georgia? How would you like to be part of an attempt to undermine the Morgenthau Plan to genocide Germany as revenge for its WWII Atrocities?

This is Iran, a nation (which if we assume the nazis go through the same path), actually didn't mind the whole "DIE ARYAN RACE", stuff…as they were the Aryan race stuff…

Indeed.

[Dornovia]

APPLICATION
Name: Republic of Tyrol
Flag: Tyrol Flag
Capital: Innsbruck
Territory: Trentino-Alto Adige and Tyrol
Population: 2,3 millions

Official Language(s): Italian, German
Ethnic Breakdown: Italians, Austrians
Religious Breakdown: Catholicism

Type of Government: Parliamentary Republic
Head of State: President Karl Zeller
Head of Government: Prime Minister Richard Teller
Legislature (the name of your national legislature): Tyrolese Congress
Legislative Houses (if your legislature is bicameral):
Party in Power: Tiroler Republikanische Partei
National Issues: Mention three (3) issues - domestic and foreign - isolationist-higly conservative- socialist strikes
Public Goals: Ally with more nations and become more influent
Private Goals: Became more influent in Northern Italy

GDP (nominal):28.27 bilions
Currency: Tiroler Mark
Economic System: Capitalism
Major Exports: wood, carpentry products
Major Imports: minerals, energy
Defense Budget (USD): 2% of GDP
Alliance(s): none

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches): Tyrolian Defense Force

Active Duty: 15 000
Reserve Duty: 2000
Total Manpower: 17 000

Land Force: 16 000
Naval Force: 0
Air Force: 1000
Other Military Information:

History: after a long time, the Tyrolians, feeling betrayed by the Italians and against the Austrian Rule, Declared their indipendence in 1919, after world war 1, the two nations, extremely tired, gave the Tyrolian territories to the newborn Tyrolian Republic, which became a new switzerland, from 1920 to 1980 the nation prospered, but the socialist strikes, the isolationism and a too much conservative enviroment are taking Tyrol into an instability period.

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[Ukcross]

RESERVATION
NS Name:The Dual Monarchy of Ukcross
RP Name:The Sultanate of the Sahara
Territory:
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Hey, this is the British player, I own Western Sahara and Equatorial Guinea, so I guess being surrounded on all sides is going to be reeallly fun.

Oh boy. Hopefully we can stay on fine terms though. Also, then I've withdrawn the claim to Western Sahara.

[Ukcross]

APPLICATION
Name:The Sultanate of the Sahara
Flag:

Capital:Lagos
Territory:Striped areas indicate some areas of territory are claimed, not the entire state.

Population:144,008,078
Official Language(s):English, French, Arabic, Yoruba, Igbo and Akan.
Ethnic Breakdown:The Fula, Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, Akan, Arabs, Mossi, Mandinka, Mande, Bambara, Dogon, Creole, Kru, Wolof, Ewe, Fon, Tuareg, Soninke, Asante, Liberians, Temne, Mende, Susu, Limba, Senfu, Kissi, Bassa, Kpelle, Wodaabe, Serer, Manjak, and Bamileke peoples.
Religious Breakdown: Islam and Christianity

Type of Government:Federation
Head of State:Sultan Menelik
Head of Government:Sultan Menelik If HoS and HoG are the same person, then simply repeat their name.
Legislature (the name of your national legislature):The Saharan Federal Council
Legislative Houses (if your legislature is bicameral):
Party in Power:The Sultan.
National Issues: Mention three (3) issues - domestic and foreign - that plague your nation and which you need to tackle in order to prosper. The Succession dispute. A Succession dispute after the previous sultan, Sultan Abimbola, died without an heir, and after many Federal Council meetings, nobility from one of Ethiopia was requested so they could be put on the throne. Many see Sultan Menelik as illegitimate and a foreigner. Ethnic violence. The Federation’s cracks are starting to show, the Federation is large, and thus has many different ethnic populations. These ethnic populations have started to clash with one another, often ending in violence. Risk of Famine. Food production in West Africa is not extremely viable, thus leaving a large portion of Food imported, and due to lack of effective transportation in some areas, famine is a very real risk.
Public Goals:Maintaining the Sultanate in Africa,and Stamp out Communists in Africa.
Private Goals: Creating a West African Federation.

GDP (nominal):
Currency:The Saharan Naira
Economic System:Capitalism
Major Exports:Mainly Iron, Aluminum, Oil, Salt, Gold, Uranium, and Silver.
Major Imports:Food and water.
Defense Budget (USD):
Alliance(s):Ethiopia due to Dynastic Ties.

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches):

Active Duty:300,000
Reserve Duty:700,000
Total Manpower:1 Million

Land Force:The Army of the Sahara
Naval Force:The Naval Forces of the Saharan Sultanate
Air Force:The Saharan Air Force
Other Military Information:The Sultanate is in control of 2 ICBMs, and the reserves are mostly armed with older outdated weapons.

History:The Sultanate started when during the civil wars in the Empire of Mali during the 1460s, a primarily Nigerian-Congo faction took power and united the empire. Under the leadership of the first Sultan, Sultan Adebiyi, they rapidly expanded until his death. Afterwards, a dark age ensued after foreign attacks from foreign empires and incompetent leaders left coffers empty and populations disgruntled. This led to rebellions and territories breaking off. After 200 years of stagnation, a new leader, Sultan Chioma, a brilliant leader and military commander led the Nation on a path of conquering and development, until his death in 1701. From the 1700s onwards, Sultans continued to decentralize, expand resource extracting, and continued some small conquests, leading to an era of Stability and peace. This continued for another 200 years (known as “The Era of Prosperity”) until the second world war, when pan-african fascists attempted to seize the government, leading to a civil war and “The Era of Weakness”. Extensive foreign support was the reason the Loyalist state survived, and increased foreign interference has left the Sultanate mostly weak in the 1900, with increased reliance on foreign trade, and the Empire, though large and from the outside strong, is a shell of its former self.
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[Theyra]

Maybe Iran needs a regime change.

Are you actually going through with the Morgenthau Plan in your own nation's fictional history?

If so, Byzantium and Iran/Seljuks will be working together with anyone and everyone who is not the USR to undermine it.

Theyra, still interested in playing Georgia? How would you like to be part of an attempt to undermine the Morgenthau Plan to genocide Germany as revenge for its WWII Atrocities?

Yeah, I am still interested in Georgia and after looking up what the Morgenthau Plan is. The answer is probably yes, though still thinking of the empire's status during WW2.

[Dragos Bee]

Are you actually going through with the Morgenthau Plan in your own nation's fictional history?

If so, Byzantium and Iran/Seljuks will be working together with anyone and everyone who is not the USR to undermine it.

Theyra, still interested in playing Georgia? How would you like to be part of an attempt to undermine the Morgenthau Plan to genocide Germany as revenge for its WWII Atrocities?

Yeah, I am still interested in Georgia and after looking up what the Morgenthau Plan is. The answer is probably yes, though still thinking of the empire's status during WW2.

Thanks, Theyra, this means a lot.

[Benuty]

So for context in our timeline, Anthony Eden speculated at the bare minimum 25 percent of Germans would perish if the Morgenthau plan went through. Im taking that number literally but adding on an additional qualm. Morganthau's very plan was to destroy the German identity (the plan in real life was leaked, and Joseph Goebbels used it as propaganda) so during the time of the "International Zone" this was applied not just to Germany as a political entity, but as a cultural one. In the inverse of how German squads stole artwork and dispersed it across their territory leading to rushes by U.S and Soviet Troops to claim them in a competition the artwork of Germany has been thoroughly looted by the allied powers of this timeline. This cultural erasure also extended towards German cities, and I'm modeling several settlements off of the concentration camps Poland had German laborers following the war (real life).

To ensure the continued suppression of identity a class of well-fed loyalists troops, bureaucrats, and support staff were taken amongst the population as collaborators who got to live in better areas with the elites of the Zone. The Morgenthau plan had one hangup being that complete deindustrialization wasn't achieved in order to ensure the German citizenry could continue paying off the debt so at the moment Germany has a skeleton industry which is partly why my country's major materials are agricultural, minerals, and raw materials. In 1967 Morganthau was assassinated, and a revolution was triggered that swept through Germany with a violent and bloody fury with a war of attrition that eventually saw the collapse of the International Zone. The new state's stance was initially optimistic until a cadre of loyalists nearly assassinated Willy Brandt, and triggered a famine that killed millions of people and ended by 1970. Consequently, Germany is battered, bruised, and extremely disgusted with many of its neighbors.

Germany has adopted a rigid form of state that is the only way to secure itself from the threat of outsiders who might ravage it once again. To explain for a moment the population, however, is unlike others as I have divided the population into three castes. The 24 million citizens make up the bulk of the population that was used for their labor during the Plan to extract Germany's worth to international markets they revolted in 1967 and now enjoy the privileges of citizenship. Twelve million people make up the residency part of the country as they collaborated, and were convicted of lesser crimes with a scheme of penance in mind. I modeled this on the war crimes courts in Rwanda which tried half of the surviving population for lesser war crimes (look it up it's absolutely crazy). The four million belong to the worst category, the shock labor battalion for the worst forms of collaboration (this group makes up the loyalist cadres of the former international zone).

The political formation of the country is for all intents, and purposes a dictatorship. Its major foreign policy is extreme isolationism, but there are cadres of intelligence officers who have their sights set on making the former oppressive powers suffer especially as partisans loyal to the plan still run around hampering German industrialization. I modeled the "caste" system off of how former elements of those who were labeled bourgeoisie (within the Warsaw Pact and the USSR) were often treated with contempt, and even hampered in their ability to advance in society (or just as commonly had their descendants kept on the bottom rung). I am also incorporating the Soviet policy of "looking away" regarding reincorporation of Wehrmacht officers with the German Democratic Republic's Nationale Volksarmee (National Peoples Army). For context this reincorporation as well as some general permissiveness toward ex-Nazis in general caused the newly united German government to initiate a miniature form of denazification in the eastern areas.

[Benuty]

Benuty, sorry for asking you directly, but is it all right if Byzantium, which is an Allied Power in this timeline and whose leadership is smart enough to know that the Morgenthau Plan is bonkers, decided to break with the rest of the Allied Powers over said plan and did everything it could to undermine it, including shipping humanitarian aid to Germany, housing refugees, and even providing weapons to revolutionaries?

And yes, Byzantium's historical diplomacy provides plenty of precedent for this.

I fully expect a breaking apart as my intentions are for Germany to take a century at the minimum to recover from the damage of what is basically genocide. I mean in real life the plan caused both disgust and worry that it would practically give up Germany to a communist insurgency because the Germans weren't getting enough calories to be a reliable workforce under the partial implementation of the Plan.

[Upper Magica]

Honestly, I'm on team #not-Vegetarian(I assume the first plan you list is a mirror of Op. Vegetarian)

'Cause what happens next is probably Operation not-Desert Storm(Western Storm? Rhine Storm?), and it wouldn't be a 80s-90s ATL without some kind of mirror to that.

[Upper Magica]

Also, Newne: how prolific is British colonization of the Indo-Pacific - specifically, in regard to Australia/NZ? I have a couple of ideas on how, precisely, they come to be in the Pacific Federation: one would be direct colonization of the subcontinent by the Nuosandalan Republics(Chinese-Indonesian colonial spinoff created in the wake of the presumably violent collapse of the Ming created by none other than the godfather of all AH Chinese colonial stories, Zheng He), while the other idea I have is Australia/NZ's ascension to the Federation following the Second Pacific War(all will be explained in the final document, I promise!) taking place parallel to the World War.

[Newne Carriebean7]

Also, Newne: how prolific is British colonization of the Indo-Pacific - specifically, in regard to Australia/NZ? I have a couple of ideas on how, precisely, they come to be in the Pacific Federation: one would be direct colonization of the subcontinent by the Nuosandalan Republics(Chinese-Indonesian colonial spinoff created in the wake of the presumably violent collapse of the Ming created by none other than the godfather of all AH Chinese colonial stories, Zheng He), while the other idea I have is Australia/NZ's ascension to the Federation following the Second Pacific War(all will be explained in the final document, I promise!) taking place parallel to the World War.

I've got sort of a "Belgian Congo" situation with respect to India, although it's mostly along the lines of what happened to India after the Sepoy Mutiny, but with the East India Trading Company being replaced and the entire subcontinent being the personal property of the monarch. Truth be told, I completely forgot about Australia and NZ, but I can at least think out in my head that Captain Cook's voyages go a bit further and Cook ends up setting up a failed colony on Australia in the name of the crown. I'm sort of assuming that due to the difficulty in getting to Oceania in general means that overall care in the Briton Isles dosent' quite strike up the same imagination as seeing some red on Africa that says "Property of the Union of Scots, Britons and Welsh" somewhere on it.

[Badassistanian]

Please consider this a reservation until I have finished it, thank you!

APPLICATION
Name: Republic of Gran Colombia
Flag:

Capital: Bogata
Territory:

Population: 52 Million

Official Language(s): Spanish
Ethnic Breakdown: 40% Mestizo, 40% Spanish/European, 20% Afro Decent
Religious Breakdown: 97% Roman Catholic (State Enforced Religion), 3% other

Type of Government: Presidential Dictatorship
Head of State:

Head of Government: President Valdemar Franklin Quintero
Legislature (the name of your national legislature): Congress of Gran Colombia (unicameral)
Party in Power: Partido Patriótico Nacional de Gran Colombia (PNGC - Far Right, Nationalistic Bend)
National Issues: Communist Revolutionaries, Entrenched Drug Cartels, Military Revitalization
Public Goals: The destruction of Communist Paramilitaries and Drug Cartels along with Economic Revitalization
Private Goals: The revitalization of Gran Colombia's Military to enable the future conquest of Central America and Central South America (Bolivia/Peru)

GDP (nominal): 95 Billion USD
Currency: Peso
Economic System: Free Market with extensive government intervention along with planning in major nationalized industries
Major Exports: Crude Oil, Coffee, Gold
Major Imports: Machinery and Manufactured Products
Defense Budget (USD): 2 Billion (7.3 Billion in todays dollars)
Alliance(s): None

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches): Gran Colombian Army (GCA), Gran Colombian Navy (GCN), Gran Colombian Air Force (GCAF), and Gran Colombian National Police (GCNP)

Active Duty: 520,000 (1% of population)
Reserve Duty: 1,000,000 (Additional 2% of population)
Total Manpower: 10,000,000 (roughly 20% of the nation could be mobilized during wartime if necessary however this would come at a significant cost to economic output)

Land Force:
Naval Force:
Air Force:
Other Military Information:

History:
Gran Colombia, born in the fires of the Bolivarian Revolutions of the early 1800s, has had a long and storied history up to the year of our lord 1980. The first storm that had to be weathered by the newly freed state was the nature of its governance and the establishment of a constitution to unify the four primary regions of Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Ecuador. Simon Bolivar, seeing the importance of localized autonomy to keep the nation together through its formative years established a constitution in 1820 that heavily leaned into the federative ideas of the federalist parties. This would be followed by the introduction of massive public works projects, funded primarily by European and North American investors, that would seek to connect the four regions and tames the great wilderness that covered the nations expanse. This ultimately lead to the creation of roads and waterways that enabled all corners of the union to reach Bogata and have fair representation within the newly formed Congress. The state functioned for much the 1800s and early 1900s as a federative republic with an elected president, chosen by the congress from amongst its own members. These years were marked by the expansion of public works and the expansion of industry focused on the production and sale of raw materials to the international market. However, in the early 1900s, the long period of expansion and economic growth had come to a stand still as the changing world order brought about the closure of many international markets and the debt that the state had incurred had began to weigh heavily on its expenditures. A period of economic slowing and downturn proceeded through to the 1950s which prompted new actors to enter the arena of Colombian politics. Radicals formed various paramilitaries that sought to bring about the vision of the loathed communist ideologue Karl Marx. These paramilitaries waged war deep within the nations jungles and would attack only when the opportunity was ripe and surprise was on their side. The strongest of these paramilitaries, The Frente Comunista de Quito, under the leadership of Rosa Elena Tránsito Amaguaña Alba seeks to create an independent and indigenous marxist state in Ecuador while also inspiring revolution in other corners of the republic. In contrast, intrepid businessmen and common men alike began to form centralized cartels that specialized in the creation of various drugs such as cocaine in order to make mass profits despite the deteriorating economic situation. These cartels are known for their brutality to local populations that they have gained control over and are feared throughout the world as their products are smuggled into every corner of the globe, bringing with them crippling addiction and death. Among these cartels, the Lehder Cartel under the control of Carlos Lehder stands out. The Ledher Cartel holds a massive network of enforcers, drug runners, and salesmen spanning across the globe from its home base in the Colombian city of Medellin. In response to these threats, the Congress in Bogata would see the rise of a new political faction known as the Partido Patriótico Nacional de Gran Colombia, a group of right wing military generals and officers under the leadership of Valdemar Franklin Quintero who was a veteran of the National Police. The PNGC sought to crush both the cartels and communist paramilitaries with an iron fist by expanding and revamping the military. Likewise they also sought to expand the unions historical borders to control much of central america and central south america. The year is now 1980, communists and drug lords are at war deep in the jungle and the congress has just elected Valdemar Franklin Quintero to the seat of President. Will South America become a bastion of communism, a drug runners paradise, or will the iron fist of nationalism crush all in its way? Time will tell.

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[Benuty]

Honestly, I'm on team #not-Vegetarian(I assume the first plan you list is a mirror of Op. Vegetarian)

'Cause what happens next is probably Operation not-Desert Storm(Western Storm? Rhine Storm?), and it wouldn't be a 80s-90s ATL without some kind of mirror to that.

To be quite clear if the Intelligence Cadre openly coups Willy Brandt, and war ends up breaking out there's not going to be a third surrender. The German land will be mirroring something out of Stalker.

Just imagine the suicides of Saipan, and White Knight in Jonestown on a national scale. Add on to that ensuring the land is worthless. The Germans can't hope to win a third war so its suicide anyway whether over a few years or a few months.

[Dragos Bee]

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[Badassistanian]

@OP, only thing im stuck on is equipment numbers... trying to figure out what would be fair, otherwise app is done

[Badassistanian]

BTW I fully intend for Colombia to become an international/ideological battleground. I expect for it to become this universes Vietnam.

[Sao Nova Europa]

I have noted new reservations, and I will be updating the nation roster list later today.

As for Germany, I like the concept as laid out in the context post, so I will be allowing it. Acceptance will depend on the final app though.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Two things that need to be clarified about Germany (though):

1) There is no such thing as perfect indoctrination, so while national suicide is a valid strategy to follow as a totalitarian regime, the chances of it working out IC are slim (even though we could see mass suicides) - but the majority of the German population would survive

2) While the plan to poison the former Allied powers is interesting and provides a good storyline, again the chances of success IC are again slim.

With those two clarified, I am looking forward to the final app.

[Dragos Bee]

Two things that need to be clarified about Germany (though):

1) There is no such thing as perfect indoctrination, so while national suicide is a valid strategy to follow as a totalitarian regime, the chances of it working out IC are slim (even though we could see mass suicides) - but the majority of the German population would survive

2) While the plan to poison the former Allied powers is interesting and provides a good storyline, again the chances of success IC are again slim.

With those two clarified, I am looking forward to the final app.

I publicly accept this. I will say that I did not like the prospect of being railroaded into an invasion I do not want (because of the bioweapons), to provoke mass national suicides that would be on my nation's conscience, nor did I want to be forced to commit atrocities that are both unwanted and detrimental to my own fictional nation's interest.

But with those two clarifications, I accept.