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Postby North America Inc » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:26 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
North America Inc wrote:It's nice to see this up and running again.

Lol of course, Aria can never hold Omega.


As is tradition!

I don’t suppose I can interest you in a faction, North?

I might be, when does turn 5 start? I don't want to be too far behind and if I can do something really quick by turn 4, that would be ideal. My faction itself will be inherently short term.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:47 pm

Kinistian wrote:Sure backed taxes are thing

Let’s see first
22% credit and material sounds fair get all that autonomy and space to yourself .

That works for me, it's about what I had in mind.

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Postby Elerian » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:01 pm

North America Inc wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
As is tradition!

I don’t suppose I can interest you in a faction, North?

I might be, when does turn 5 start? I don't want to be too far behind and if I can do something really quick by turn 4, that would be ideal. My faction itself will be inherently short term.


I imagine G would give you a few turns retroactive or something. Would be cool to have you onboard NAI.

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:32 pm

I am so screwed if I don't get the all the turns retroactive, lol.

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Postby Nuxipal » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:00 pm

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Oof, The Human Systems Alliance agreeing to that all that to 'reincorporate' the Shanix Directorate is quite damning. Number 6 is quite sad, specifically. The same clause that 'prevents' ethnic cleansing also carries out ethnic cleansing.

I think I'll be going for some Space Bonpartism out of the Eagle Nebula honestly.


You will try. The Primacy is still looking to incorporate all Hanar colonies back into the fold. That includes the claimed system filled with Hanar names in Eagle Nebula.

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:I am so screwed if I don't get the all the turns retroactive, lol.


Typically you are permitted retroactive turns, so long as they don't directly conflict with any of the turns taken by other players.
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Postby The Empire of Tau » Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:13 pm

If I colonize a planet with a non-active Relay, anything that the planet makes is totally localized in the cluster. I can't ship resources out and can only use them in that cluster until the relay is reactive. Yes?
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Postby North America Inc » Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:16 am

Which relays are active and connected?

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Postby Segmentia » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:04 am

Kinistian wrote:Should the alliance be imperialists that don’t tolerate deviations of human ideology from its own?

Just say so I can easily switch gears , won’t be that hard, big election coming up in Local.

Or should I continue the “Alliance” aspect of the HSA, so there is a more dynamic aspect to human civilization than some boring monotone form of government where your either apart of sol or considered separatists that need to brought back under the warm embrace of Sol.


No, but your allies are concerned that you are effectively inviting Cerberus-lite into the Alliance. It's a bit of a clash when you are in a multi-species alliance and you allow an overt anti-alien entity into the alliance and give them self-sovereignty over an entire cluster. Its a bit different then just having humanity-first political parties.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:09 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:I think I'm going to need to know what my points are before I can fill in any more of this.

Faction: The Commonwealth of Eagle Nebula, or, The Commonwealth

Leader: Secretary-General Antinea Boaventura

Diplomatic Relations Summary: The Commonwealth seeks peaceful development and interaction with its neighbours, though it is immensely disappointed with the direction of the Human Systems Alliance and belives it has no claim of representation of humanity as a whole, largely due to its abandonment of humanitarian values.

Military Summary: To Be Determined

History: The Commonwealth's origins lay in the establishment of a mixed colony of Humans and Batarians in 2165 on Anhur. The batarian aristocracy, making use of the excuse of 'cultural differences' used of slavery on the planet, making it exceedingly difficult for human businesses and workers to compete. The human corporate aristocracy, lacking in heroic vigor, rather than face down the evil of slavery on the planet, sought instead to race to the bottom in an abuse of sentient rights. They would effectively illegalize unemployment, by pressing those that could not provide proof of an employer or sufficent asset ownership into prison labor under stringent anti-vagrancy laws. To make matters worse, theu would move to abolish minimum wages. The combined effect was to functionally expand the conditions of slavery to all non-batarian populations.

The Human professional employed middle classes of the planet would develop an immense discomfort with the situation. When they looked 'up' the class hierachy, they saw a Corporate Aristocracy that was weak when it came to opposing the practice slavery excercised by batarian the and tyrannical when it came to imposing it on the rest of the population. When they looked down the class ladder they despised the ease at which the lower classes often accepted life underenslavement over death in a fight for liberty. Yet they also felt a tremendous pain when seeing their suffering. When the looked to themselves, they developed an immense fear of falling into the lower classes and an anger at the upper classes for dooming them to these circumstances

So it wasn't long before sections of the middle classes started networking with and organizing the lower classes against their abuse. At least in regards to those not in prison forced labor, there still existed enough civil and political rights to organize workers, engage in labor action and build mutual aid organizations. Even as the legal system continued to change to supress these actions, they would still be organized, peacefully and deliberately. By 2176, the repression grew great enough that these cadres of peaceful would, having arm themselves, turn instead to revolutionary violence. Over the next couple years, these revolutionaries would fight a brutal struggle against their opressors, who, despite their greater resources, they would succeed at overthrowing in 2178.

The resulting political order was a curious one. The assets of the corporations of old, such that they still existed through all the destruction of damage, would be expropriated. They would be turned over to the control over those who worked inside of them. Furthermore, the old mutual aid groups created during the pre-rebellion days would continue in operation, linking and organzing how these workplaces interacted with eachother and distributed the products they delivered. While there was no singular united indeological drive to this end, what had in effect been created was a society that was functionally anarchist in form.

This order, such that it could be called an 'order' would exist through the reaper wars and the destruction of the mass relays. But it would be the last event in particular that would see it changed. While the relative poverty of the colony as a result of its destruction civil war had kept away external forces, the planet its self was still quite rich. So when the recycling world of Korlus found its self with markedly less business, to say the least as a result of the destruction of the Mass Relays, their eyes turned greedily to Anhur. Notably, the planet had already been deeply divided and had a horrible murder rate, meaning that in this time of chaos, criminal gangs organized themselves into political factions competing for power.

As a consequence, they did not go to Anhur as a unified body, but as competing factions, a fact that saved Anhur from domination and allowed instead for it to act almost as an equal, if not advantaged, actor in the political struggles within and between the planets. Eventually, the hold forms of power and organization would collapse in Korlus and gradually it would end up looking more as it did in Anhur, with albeit a more violent edge. For there part, The people of Anhur, had been slowly but surely developing pockets of martial culture, some mercaneries that would have otherwise left the planet after the Anhur Revolution and before the collapse of the mass relay system had established familial ties. They often would find themselves running the security organizations on the planets, and as ties with Korlus strengthened, their relative importance only went up.

Starting in the mid 2190s, something particularly notable happened. A young biotic gifted daughter of such a mercenary background, Antinea Boaventura, was developing a following and renown within the popular of Anhur, some of it leaking to Korlus as well. A highly capable administator and military leader, she had a way of bending the 'horizontal' features of Anhur and Korlus organization around her, that lead to her maintaining a considerable amount of 'vertical' capacity for command. It wasn't too long before some people Anhur recognized this as threat to their form of governance and saught to 'encourage' her, to head over to Korlus and use her martial talents to deal with some more violent and troublesome groups. On Korlus, Atinea would find herself treated with a surprising degree of acceptance from someone from Anhur, as she met and exceed expectations they had for her and her units of fighters.

So much so, that in the following years after it became clear that the mass relay system was getting back up and running, the populars of Anhur and Korlus alike were rather concerend that as the galaxy reconnected, it was inevitable that outside groups would seek to step into the region and muscle them out of their existing positions, if not annex the planets outright. Yet they had little hope of maintaining any of their independence without some sort of formal unification. Antinea, oppoertunistic and power craving if nothing else, sensed an opportunity here, she would serve, in an offical capacity as the 'Secretary-General'' of a formal body that included Anhur, Korlus and their respective star systems' planets and orbital stations. This Secretary-General would be, in theory, responsible purely for the security of the commonwealth and that which pertained to maintaining its security.

In practice, it made Antinea Boaventura the only individual with any formal, sovereign political power. While she could not, at least not yet, govern as an absolute leader, the informal nature of the commonwealth combined with her very real monopoly of force mean't that something approaching a capacity for absolute leadership was a matter of instituions and people aligend with her slowly but surely perculating through the commonwealth. That plus the fact that increasing her power was, remains and contineus to be a primary concern of Atinea. This is not to say that the Secetary-General is without beliefs outside of the perpetuation of her own power, if she didn't, she'd have difficulty riding general 'competance' to her position in the first place. She reflects much of the humanitarian and universalist impulse that gave birth to the revolution on Anhur in the first place. She believes in those values so strongly, she things that they must to be protected and advanced, even at the expense of 'democracy' or 'peace.'

Infrastructure and Claimed Worlds:
Anhur
Korlus

Military:
a) Terrestrial Forces: To Be Determined
b) Space Fleets: To Be Determined

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This is looking good. A bit of a weird hybrid government, though I should note that, if anything, the HSA's government has been pretty strongly committed to democratic rights and the like. It shouldn't really be part of the galactic zeitgeist that they don't value those things, though that may develop.

As far as your allotment goes, with you so close to the Hanar and the like I'm probably going to just give you a larger lump sum and start you in May, to prevent as many timeline snarls as possible. All good in your books?
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:17 am

Kinistian wrote:I’m getting vibes from every corner I’m playing the allaince just wrong apparently-_-


Honestly, I think you're doing a great job. A pragmatic government valuing stability and recovery over ideology is very logical for the HSA to possess at this juncture.

North America Inc wrote:I might be, when does turn 5 start? I don't want to be too far behind and if I can do something really quick by turn 4, that would be ideal. My faction itself will be inherently short term.


This evening we'll be advancing to May, but likely later this evening, so you should have some time to get your feet under you.

The Empire of Tau wrote:If I colonize a planet with a non-active Relay, anything that the planet makes is totally localized in the cluster. I can't ship resources out and can only use them in that cluster until the relay is reactive. Yes?


I'm afraid not, no. For ease of use, resources produced without easy bureaucratic links to the capitol (meaning an active Relay) are completely wasted. Part of that is to represent appropriate amounts of graft/corruption/localism/spoilage, part of that is because I don't want the 'most optimal' route for some of our more neurotic RPers to be not opening any Relays, and merely administering multiple economies simultaneously.

So you can colonize planets wherever you want, but you'll need to turn on their Relays in an unbroken chain to your capitol to get anything out of them, or effectively do anything with them aside from running a flag up a flagpole.

North America Inc wrote:Which relays are active and connected?


Right now, the Local Cluster, Athena Nebula, Apien Crest, Annos Basin, Silean Nebula, Aethon Cluster, Kite’s Nest, Omega Nebula, Perseus Veil, and Cnidari Cluster are all open. There are a few more, since I believe some factions have started opening their first non-home cluster relays, but those are the ones I have on my brain right now tabulated.

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Kinistian wrote:Should the alliance be imperialists that don’t tolerate deviations of human ideology from its own?

Just say so I can easily switch gears , won’t be that hard, big election coming up in Local.

Or should I continue the “Alliance” aspect of the HSA, so there is a more dynamic aspect to human civilization than some boring monotone form of government where your either apart of sol or considered separatists that need to brought back under the warm embrace of Sol.


No, but your allies are concerned that you are effectively inviting Cerberus-lite into the Alliance. It's a bit of a clash when you are in a multi-species alliance and you allow an overt anti-alien entity into the alliance and give them self-sovereignty over an entire cluster. Its a bit different then just having humanity-first political parties.


Ah, but what a coup to restore that margin of mankind to the fold peacefully and without contention. Attitudes can be adjusted over the calm wash of cultural exchange, bodies cannot be resurrected by the same.
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Postby Kinistian » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:56 am

Human colonies in the terminus system ,like Eagle nebula, were not formally apart of the Alliance. HSA current foreign policy is the reunification of what was formally known as alliance space and the Eagle nebula is not apart of the agenda. Korlus’s legal slavery on the planet is also something that is frankly unacceptable, and any government practicing human slavery will have no diplomatic ties with the Alliance. . Even Shanix population gets wages or is driven by Patriotism.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:26 am

Kinistian wrote:Human colonies in the terminus system ,like Eagle nebula, were not formally apart of the Alliance. HSA current foreign policy is the reunification of what was formally known as alliance space and the Eagle nebula is not apart of the agenda. Korlus’s legal slavery on the planet is also something that is frankly unacceptable, and any government practicing human slavery will have no diplomatic ties with the Alliance. . Even Shanix population gets wages or is driven by Patriotism.


Not to fear, the Geth will take good care of the human populace out in the Terminus.
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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:51 am

Lump sum is fine, but like, forced deportation of non-human races to other planets is, like impossible to cover up, so I dont really see any reason that the commonwealth wouldn't react to that with horror and see it as a fatal blow to the HSA's human rights record.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:56 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Lump sum is fine, but like, forced deportation of non-human races to other planets is, like impossible to cover up, so I dont really see any reason that the commonwealth wouldn't react to that with horror.


100% agree - just pointing out that the Commonwealth will only be hearing about that agreement very recently on the IC timescale, so it being a founding part of their political identity wouldn't make the most sense.

Good jazz. I'll pull up your allotment at 1800, start you in May, and start crunching your perks in a jiff.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:08 am

@ CSR: And the Commonwealth's Perks are live.
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Postby North America Inc » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:31 am

Putting a claim on the Serpent Nebula for a fraction.

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Postby Segmentia » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:35 am

That's a...bold choice.
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Postby North America Inc » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:39 am

Segmentia wrote:That's a...bold choice.

Oh...It's going to get a lot more bold.

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Postby The Empire of Tau » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:34 am

When might we see an update?

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Postby Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:42 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:@ CSR: And the Commonwealth's Perks are live.


Oh, also need the planets and the star systems for the eagle nebula right? I guess I could copy it from the wiki but I don't think that's how its supposed to work?

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Postby The Empire of Tau » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:43 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Oh, also need the planets and the star systems for the eagle nebula right? I guess I could copy it from the wiki but I don't think that's how its supposed to work?

If there's no data on it in the OOC infosheet then use the wiki. That's how I did it for Kite's Nest.

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Postby Nuxipal » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:44 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:@ CSR: And the Commonwealth's Perks are live.


Oh, also need the planets and the star systems for the eagle nebula right? I guess I could copy it from the wiki but I don't think that's how its supposed to work?


From the wiki. Then you use the descriptions in the OP to do your best to determine which planet is what. We will correct you if its wrong as you go.

The Empire of Tau wrote:When might we see an update?


I believe G said later this evening.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:58 am

The Empire of Tau wrote:When might we see an update?


Right now, you're looking at 5-6 hours out.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:21 am

Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Lump sum is fine, but like, forced deportation of non-human races to other planets is, like impossible to cover up, so I dont really see any reason that the commonwealth wouldn't react to that with horror and see it as a fatal blow to the HSA's human rights record.

As far as I'm aware, there are no aliens living in the Shanxi Cluster, so no deportations would actually be happening.

Any aliens that did live on Shanxi would have been killed years ago.

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Postby Kandex » Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:28 am

Update in 5 to 6 hours? Better get my IC finished then.

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