1912: The World and a Powder Keg [AltHis|OOC|Dead]

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

It has the resources, population and space to be a great power…

Anyhow, I have a compromise for France; we can have a Suez style agreement, in that France and America at some point signed a treaty to both contribute, and hence both benefit from the canal?

It has them all, which is certainly can, but there is also a question of time.

Still, considering its resources, the 27 years that Sao can play around with could certainly establish China as a rising and strong regional power, even more so if it avoids the defeat at the hands of Japan and the Boxer Rebellion.

I’d assume about 2 or 3 years is the conclusion of the war, and then the crawl towards recovery.

Teddy Roosevelt comes in screaming Bully

Absolutely!

I’ll take them (cuz duh).

Great do you have a date in mind and which colonies you wanna buy?

I’m assuming that anytime between 1901 and 1912 would be fine (as Roosevelt would be in office, McKinley was slightly more cautious). And I’m assuming America would take Cameroon and Togo, and maybe Papua Guinea.

[Tracian Empire]

So, is this app ok, or should I do a little tweaking?

App looks alright overall. If you can remove the WIP tag and the stuff in the rounded brackets I can accept it

[Empire of Techkotal]

I’m assuming that anytime between 1901 and 1912 would be fine (as Roosevelt would be in office, McKinley was slightly more cautious). And I’m assuming America would take Cameroon and Togo, and maybe Papua Guinea.

Deal.

[Deblar]

Reservation

Nation Name: Republic of Haiti
Territory: The island of Hispaniola (Haiti+Dominican Republic)
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This is complicated, because CSR has just updated his app to also include French control over Hispaniola. If he is willing to give up that claim, I can accept your reservation, alternatively you could play a French-aligned Haiti.

Whoops.

IDK, being French-aligned sounds kinda cringe, but if it's the only way I'd consider it. I would rather be completely independent, though.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

This is complicated, because CSR has just updated his app to also include French control over Hispaniola. If he is willing to give up that claim, I can accept your reservation, alternatively you could play a French-aligned Haiti.

Whoops.

IDK, being French-aligned sounds kinda cringe, but if it's the only way I'd consider it. I would rather be completely independent, though.

Eternally suffering from the rule of the Cheese eating surrender monkeys/jk

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

So Sao, how would you think Russo-Chinese relations would have progressed in this TL?

Both would be Japanese rivals but would also have some contention over Russia's interest in Mongolia, something to work out IC'ly perhaps?

Would Russia have had any opportunity to construct the Trans-Manchurian Line in this TL? Perhaps in the form of an investment or modernization support to gain influence in Beijing?

[Sao Nova Europa]

So Sao, how would you think Russo-Chinese relations would have progressed in this TL?

Both would be Japanese rivals but would also have some contention over Russia's interest in Mongolia, something to work out IC'ly perhaps?

Would Russia have had any opportunity to construct the Trans-Manchurian Line in this TL? Perhaps in the form of an investment or modernization support to gain influence in Beijing?

Sure, that could work as the current government is friendly to foreign investment and willing to work with foreign powers in pursuit of modernization.

[Turkducken]

Nation Application

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Okay this should be finished

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Sure, that could work as the current government is friendly to foreign investment and willing to work with foreign powers in pursuit of modernization.

Noicenoice, I suppose since the Chinese managed to fight the Japanese to a standstill there was no Russian invasion of Manchuria? As IRL the Russians went into Manchuria because of Russian concerns about China losing the war and Russia wanting to prevent Japanese expansion northward. That would also mean no Russian concession in Port Arthur, so there wouldn't be a stain on Russo-Chinese relations over that yes?

[Ostafrika]

My point of divergence is the Heligoland–Zanzibar Treaty. Irl there was no major colonization effort in Africa and the German population of East Africa was only ever 4,500 people.

I understand, but again, the issue with the formatting of the app. The Point of Divergence section should simply shortly mention that your PoD is said treaty, and then the rest should go to history. Take a look at some of the other apps that were accepted for examples.

Updated, should be good now. Sorry for the hassle: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=535268&p=40612875#p40612875

[Intermountain States]

Wonder which western power is willing to help out with Korea’s modernization and as a counter to Japan.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Sure, that could work as the current government is friendly to foreign investment and willing to work with foreign powers in pursuit of modernization.

Noicenoice, I suppose since the Chinese managed to fight the Japanese to a standstill there was no Russian invasion of Manchuria? As IRL the Russians went into Manchuria because of Russian concerns about China losing the war and Russia wanting to prevent Japanese expansion northward. That would also mean no Russian concession in Port Arthur, so there wouldn't be a stain on Russo-Chinese relations over that yes?

I assume so

[Dragos Bee]

Who wants to sell Ethiopia weapons?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Who wants to sell Ethiopia weapons?

Wonder which western power is willing to help out with Korea’s modernization and as a counter to Japan.

Have I got news for you!

(I mean it depends on how close America and Japan are. Probably very close.)

[Tracian Empire]

Nation Application

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Full Nation Name: Estados Unidos Mexicanos\United Mexican States





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Accepted

[Tracian Empire]

Nation Application

Full Nation Name: German East Africa [Deutsch-Ostafrika]

Short Nation Name: N/A

National Symbols: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Flag_of_Deutsch-Ostafrika.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Deutsch-Ostafrika.svg.png

Capital: Dar es Salaam

Territory: Tanzania (excluding Zanzibar), Burundi, Rwanda, and parts of Northern Mozambique (Kionga Triangle). Map as of 1892: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Deutsch_Ost-Afrika%2C1892.jpg/800px-Deutsch_Ost-Afrika%2C1892.jpg

Form of Government: Colonial administration

Head of State: The German Kaiser

Head of Government: Governor Heinrich Schnee

Ideology: Conservatism, Monarchism, Colonialism

Population: ~7,800,000 [45,300 Whites, of which 43,100 are German]

Military Description: Imperial Protection Troop for German-East Africa [Kaiserliche Schutztruppe für Deutsch-Ostafrika] consisting of 16 companies, 1 recruitment depot, and 1 signals detachment. Total troops: 500 officers and 7,682 Askari [native auxiliaries].

Economic Description: Exports include ivory, rubber, sesame, copra, resins, coconuts, mats, wood, coffee, spices, and hippopotamus teeth. German East Africa relies on imports of cotton products, rice, hardware, meats, petroleum, vegetables & fruits, flour, tobacco, alcohol, and a variety of other goods. The colony continues to operate on a trade deficit [approx. -6,000,000 Reichsmark in 1903].

Goals: One of the main objectives will be to resolve the colony's outstanding trade deficit by diversifying its output, prospecting for rare earth minerals, and constructing more rail infrastructure, thereby making it a more viable long-term posession. Another goal is to further promote [see PoD] German settlement in East Africa, given that the main motivation for colonization before 1885 was the settlement of Germany's excess population. Finally, in the event of war East Africa's borders should be expanded to encompass Kenya and Mozambique.

Point of Divergence: Heligoland–Zanzibar Treaty of 1890

History:

Following the conclusion of the Heligoland–Zanzibar Treaty between England and Germany in 1890, the German Colonial Society [Deutsche Kolonialgesellschaft] launched major efforts to attract investments that would go towards realizing a project for German colonization in Africa. These efforts bore fruit when, in the aftermath of the 1893 federal elections, sentiments favoring colonialism swelled. Several tens of thousands of Germans left the homeland with idealistic visions of life in Africa and the potential wealth that awaited them there. The majority of German colonists settled in Bagamoyo, just north of the capital Dar es Salaam, and the more northern city of Arusha, where Germans were able to constitute a majority of the population.

Around the same time, from 1891 to 1894, the revolting Hehe people led by Chief Mkwawa were decisively beaten by German colonial forces. Between 1905 and 1907, the Qadiriyya Brotherhood fought the Germans in what became known as the Maji Maji Rebellion. Governor Gustav Adolf von Götzen ordered measures to create a famine to crush the resistance, resulting in the loss of as many as 300,000 lives. Scandal followed with allegations of corruption and brutality. In 1907, the German Chancellor appointed Bernhard Dernburg to reform the colonial administration, however no major changes have been made.

In 1912, the economic situation is unraveling, though not to the point of collapse. The Germans who have lived in East Africa for one generation are fiercely defensive of their way of life. While generally nationalistic and loyal to the Kaiser, they have grown resentful of political parties in the homeland that continually question the colony's existence as well as the treatment of the indigenous population. While the Germans in Arusha have attempted to carve out an economy independent of the natives, most of the peoples in the south remain in quasi-servitude to German companies.

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Looks good overall, accepted

[Tracian Empire]

Nation Application

Full Nation Name: The United States of America


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Also accepted

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

I'd figure the lump sum payment/no more debt payments to france + reestablishment of control over the dominican republic would go far enough but if not I'll probably just drop that part entirely.

Wanna buy a few German colonies instead?

I would. What time period?

As for as Hispaniola, if there's clear opposition to a deal with France, It probably looks to making a protectorate oust of just the dominican republic in the late 1890s instead.

[Tracian Empire]

Wanna buy a few German colonies instead?

I would. What time period?

As for as Hispaniola, if there's clear opposition to a deal with France, It probably looks to making a protectorate oust of just the dominican republic in the late 1890s instead.

Just the Dominican Republic would work better for the history. If you can edit your app to include this change, you can consider it accepted

And OOCly, it would allow Deblar to still play as Haiti, if he would be interested.

The IC will be up tomorrow

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Finished the app for the Netherlands on the first page.

[Dragos Bee]

Have I got news for you!

We'll buy a lot, then; we'll pay in gold.

[Tracian Empire]

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Full Nation Name: The Kingdom of the Netherlands



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Accepted!

[Tracian Empire]

And the IC is up!

For those who have reservations and have yet to finish their apps, please try to either post WIP apps or to let me know that you're still working, as I'll be removing fully inactive reservations by tomorrow.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

All right nice, gonna get my post up today or tomorrow at the latest.

[Intermountain States]

Who wants to sell Ethiopia weapons?

Wonder which western power is willing to help out with Korea’s modernization and as a counter to Japan.

Have I got news for you!

(I mean it depends on how close America and Japan are. Probably very close.)

Could there still be some successful American lead programs in Korea, along with greater diplomacy and friendship between the two?