1912: The World and a Powder Keg [AltHis|OOC|Open]

[Raktadweep]

If France is willing to give up those territories, you can go with your idea.

CSR just give the territory to the this Player, if you want we can arrange a settlement over the Elsass-Lorain issue as compensation.

I'm not sure what France has got to do with Togo though.

Togo itself, as per your app, was sold to the US, so assuming that both you and the US player agree, which the US player already has, Raktadweep can have Togo.

CSR would have a say only as far as Benin is concerned. If he is willing to give Benin to Raktadweep, then this state can also have it.

If not, and regardless of what happens to Benin, this Togo-based state can also have the rest of British Guinea, seeing as the British claim has expired.

I dont want to sound difficult but I do find Benin to be kind of an important bit of the lore I'm drawing up. If it turns into any kind of a serious debate or issue tho I can pick something like Liberia

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

He's thinking from more of a historical standpoint, but y'know obv Techkotal, it's entirely up to you here how you wanna hash this out. I'm in favor of the loyal aristocratic oligarchy under German protection; I think the potential for a crisis with France over the debt slavery thing would make some damn good RPing.

If France is willing to give up those territories, you can go with your idea.

CSR just give the territory to the this Player, if you want we can arrange a settlement over the Elsass-Lorain issue as compensation.

Depends on what the settlement looks like. I think having to buy french territory back would be basically unacceptable.


also with the france app, I wasn't quite finished, still needed to add stuff, like goals and some additional touches

[Empire of Techkotal]

If France is willing to give up those territories, you can go with your idea.

CSR just give the territory to the this Player, if you want we can arrange a settlement over the Elsass-Lorain issue as compensation.

The referendum for the annexation of Elsaß could be allowed and would mean that you get the Elsaß back.
It's
Depends on what the settlement looks like. I think having to buy french territory back would be basically unacceptable.


also with the france app, I wasn't quite finished, still needed to add stuff, like goals and some additional touches

It's possible, that the referendum in Elsaß is allowed and it would choose France, that would be in 1882.

Lorraine wouldn't be allowed to rejoin, due to it's strategic importance and economic value. Though it might be possible to drop tolls on Iron and coal trade.

[Dragos Bee]

The referendum for the annexation of Elsaß could be allowed and would mean that you get the Elsaß back.
It's
Depends on what the settlement looks like. I think having to buy french territory back would be basically unacceptable.


also with the france app, I wasn't quite finished, still needed to add stuff, like goals and some additional touches

It's possible, that the referendum in Elsaß is allowed and it would choose France, that would be in 1882.

Lorraine wouldn't be allowed to rejoin, due to it's strategic importance and economic value. Though it might be possible to drop tolls on Iron and coal trade.

So, would Germany be amenable to accepting Ethiopian students?

[Empire of Techkotal]

It's possible, that the referendum in Elsaß is allowed and it would choose France, that would be in 1882.

Lorraine wouldn't be allowed to rejoin, due to it's strategic importance and economic value. Though it might be possible to drop tolls on Iron and coal trade.

So, would Germany be amenable to accepting Ethiopian students?

Eh why not, as long as they have the right connections and provide the authorities at the University with a letter of recommendation and the required academic proof, everything should be fine.

[Dragos Bee]

So, would Germany be amenable to accepting Ethiopian students?

Eh why not, as long as they have the right connections and provide the authorities at the University with a letter of recommendation and the required academic proof, everything should be fine.

Perfect; thank you.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

The referendum for the annexation of Elsaß could be allowed and would mean that you get the Elsaß back.
It's
Depends on what the settlement looks like. I think having to buy french territory back would be basically unacceptable.


also with the france app, I wasn't quite finished, still needed to add stuff, like goals and some additional touches

It's possible, that the referendum in Elsaß is allowed and it would choose France, that would be in 1882.

Lorraine wouldn't be allowed to rejoin, due to it's strategic importance and economic value. Though it might be possible to drop tolls on Iron and coal trade.

It'd be basically impossible for France to accept a treaty legitimizing the german control of Lorraine, honestly. It would have to be Alsace being given independence followed by choosing to join france, with France not giving germany anything.

[Empire of Techkotal]

It's possible, that the referendum in Elsaß is allowed and it would choose France, that would be in 1882.

Lorraine wouldn't be allowed to rejoin, due to it's strategic importance and economic value. Though it might be possible to drop tolls on Iron and coal trade.

It'd be basically impossible for France to accept a treaty legitimizing the german control of Lorraine, honestly. It would have to be Alsace being given independence followed by choosing to join France, with France not giving germany anything.

That works with me.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

It'd be basically impossible for France to accept a treaty legitimizing the german control of Lorraine, honestly. It would have to be Alsace being given independence followed by choosing to join France, with France not giving germany anything.

That works with me.

the problem is that PoD is supposed to be 1885 or later. If we could do further back I'd probably be playing communard france.

[Empire of Techkotal]

That works with me.

the problem is that PoD is supposed to be 1885 or later. If we could do further back I'd probably be playing communard france.

Np. Just move the referendum and the annexation to 1885.

[Cybernetic Socialist Republics]

How and why would ethiopia exporting coal to usa. Usa has plenty of coal and high tariffs in general. it didn't start importing coal in significant amounts until like the 1990s, lmao.

also don't see why they'd be interested in gold from the opposite side of africa, they mine their own gold + mexico has gold as well.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

How and why would ethiopia exporting coal to usa. Usa has plenty of coal and high tariffs in general. it didn't start importing coal in significant amounts until like the 1990s, lmao.

also don't see why they'd be interested in gold from the opposite side of africa, they mine their own gold + mexico has gold as well.

Mhm. But free gold is free gold, tbf. Coal, maybe not. But still, getting gold in exchange for what, a few guns, ain't a half bad deal.

[Dragos Bee]

How and why would ethiopia exporting coal to usa. Usa has plenty of coal and high tariffs in general. it didn't start importing coal in significant amounts until like the 1990s, lmao.

also don't see why they'd be interested in gold from the opposite side of africa, they mine their own gold + mexico has gold as well.

I know my proposal is flawed, but please be less rude when pointing it out.

Edit: As it is, we're all trying to have fun here.

[Tracian Empire]

Direct American interest in Ethiopian resources would be limited, particularly since exporting them from Ethiopia to the US would be difficult. But at the same time, an imperialist US would have plenty of reasons to try to establish relations with the last independent African nation. As long as the US government would be fully aware that giving weapons to Ethiopia would likely antagonize Italy and probably make relations with the UK and France more difficult, there are no reasons the US couldn't send some guns.

But at the same time, Ethiopia should also take into account the fact that IRL Russia was its biggest supporter, and that American interest and ability to project power into the Horn of Africa would be limited in comparison to Italy, France, and the UK.

But leaving the issue aside, I am indeed going to ask everyone to be polite while discussing things. I will not tolerate arguments or senseless rudeness around here.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Direct American interest in Ethiopian resources would be limited, particularly since exporting them from Ethiopia to the US would be difficult. But at the same time, an imperialist US would have plenty of reasons to try to establish relations with the last independent African nation. As long as the US government would be fully aware that giving weapons to Ethiopia would likely antagonize Italy and probably make relations with the UK and France more difficult, there are no reasons the US couldn't send some guns.

But at the same time, Ethiopia should also take into account the fact that IRL Russia was its biggest supporter, and that American interest and ability to project power into the Horn of Africa would be limited in comparison to Italy, France, and the UK.

But leaving the issue aside, I am indeed going to ask everyone to be polite while discussing things. I will not tolerate arguments or senseless rudeness around here.

I think the main thing that’s different in this scenario is that the USA has been going around preparing for a “hardy har we take this land” spree.

[Chia Dal]

What is available?

[Tracian Empire]

What is available?

In terms of great powers, as of right now, the UK and Italy, and Japan, although Japan lacks Korea and Taiwan (due to WIP apps for an independent Korea and a resurgent China).

Most secondary powers are free, including smaller nations in regions that are likely to be important, like the Balkans.

And the apps for China, Korea and Austria might become free in the next few days depending on whether their players are still working on them or not.

[Chia Dal]

What is available?

In terms of great powers, as of right now, the UK and Italy, and Japan, although Japan lacks Korea and Taiwan (due to WIP apps for an independent Korea and a resurgent China).

Most secondary powers are free, including smaller nations in regions that are likely to be important, like the Balkans.

And the apps for China, Korea and Austria might become free in the next few days depending on whether their players are still working on them or not.

Might do a UK or Japan app.

[Chia Dal]

Do the UK still control Hong Kong?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Do the UK still control Hong Kong?

Maybe? You’d have to ask Sao.

[Tracian Empire]

Do the UK still control Hong Kong?

Presumably so, yes. It's still marked as British on the map, and the PoD is 1885, so Britain would have already had it for a long time.

What would be uncertain and what might be a point of tensions between China and the UK, is the existence of the New Territories. Those were given to the UK in 1898, and China relented because of its weakness after its loss in the First Sino-Japanese War. Since China did not lose here, it would be up to Sao whether China did give up the New Territories or not.

[Chia Dal]

Do the UK still control Hong Kong?

Presumably so, yes. It's still marked as British on the map, and the PoD is 1885, so Britain would have already had it for a long time.

What would be uncertain and what might be a point of tensions between China and the UK, is the existence of the New Territories. Those were given to the UK in 1898, and China relented because of its weakness after its loss in the First Sino-Japanese War. Since China did not lose here, it would be up to Sao whether China did give up the New Territories or not.

I TGed him about it. Even if I don't control HK, I still control British Malaya so the UK still present in the Region.

[Chia Dal]

Reservation

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Territory:All territory the UK held in 1912
#ODQHVVF (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Territory:All territory the UK held in 1912
#ODQHVVF (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

reservation accepted

[Intermountain States]

It's rather barebones compared to my usual apps but I'd say that my app is completed