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by Sao Nova Europa » Tue May 23, 2023 10:54 am
by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 10:57 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Most of the usual great powers have been taken, though some reservations might expire later in the week. Japan and Italy are the two great powers that are still free.
China is also free and is also arguably a major state - particularly since a PoD from 1885 onward would give players a lot of leeway in improving the situation there.
Reserving China, simply so it is not taken by someone else, but still not sure imo
Would China with 1885 PoD be in a position similar to Meiji Japan in 1912 or would that be too much?
by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 10:59 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Also (sorry for double post but wanted people not to miss this) the reason I wanted a great power was that ideally I wanted to give a general framework with a nation app but IC play as a political party and give other players the chance to also do this. I thought this kind of collaboration would be cool since the RP allows it - ideally France or United States would work with that framework, but both are taken.
by Sao Nova Europa » Tue May 23, 2023 11:01 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Sao Nova Europa wrote:Also (sorry for double post but wanted people not to miss this) the reason I wanted a great power was that ideally I wanted to give a general framework with a nation app but IC play as a political party and give other players the chance to also do this. I thought this kind of collaboration would be cool since the RP allows it - ideally France or United States would work with that framework, but both are taken.
If either player allows it I'd be more than alright with it, it was one of the reasons for why I included the organization application.
I am of course offering the Ottomans for anyone interested, but well, with the CUP reuniting both the Unionists and the Liberals, there isn't much of a political scene.
Tracian Empire wrote:Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Reserving China, simply so it is not taken by someone else, but still not sure imo
Would China with 1885 PoD be in a position similar to Meiji Japan in 1912 or would that be too much?
Reaching Meiji Japan levels would be difficult because Japan had 40 years to modernize and militarize until 1912, China would only have had 27.
However, assuming that whichever faction or government manages to strengthen its rule, China could certainly be well on its way of becoming a regional power and a serious contender for Japan. The timeline also allows you to deal with the First Sino-Japanese War in a different manner (although Korea is independent, and Russia still gets into a war with Japan later)
by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 11:09 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:If either player allows it I'd be more than alright with it, it was one of the reasons for why I included the organization application.
I am of course offering the Ottomans for anyone interested, but well, with the CUP reuniting both the Unionists and the Liberals, there isn't much of a political scene.
One of my initial ideas was joining as the Ottomans that went into federalism + constitutionalism route, which would allow players to join as a number of political parties (ideological or ethnic/religious), but Ottomans are already takenTracian Empire wrote:Reaching Meiji Japan levels would be difficult because Japan had 40 years to modernize and militarize until 1912, China would only have had 27.
However, assuming that whichever faction or government manages to strengthen its rule, China could certainly be well on its way of becoming a regional power and a serious contender for Japan. The timeline also allows you to deal with the First Sino-Japanese War in a different manner (although Korea is independent, and Russia still gets into a war with Japan later)
Can China have either defeated or forced Japan into a draw? Because crushing defeat means reforms failed, which would give China even shorter time for any reforms
by Sao Nova Europa » Tue May 23, 2023 11:16 am
by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 11:18 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Could that draw have involved China being forced to make concessions about status of Korea but Japan not taking over Taiwan?
by Sao Nova Europa » Tue May 23, 2023 11:18 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Sao Nova Europa wrote:Could that draw have involved China being forced to make concessions about status of Korea but Japan not taking over Taiwan?
It would make sense. Some concessions in Korea could still lead eventually to a pretext forcing Russia into a war with Japan. And since Taiwan was only taken by Japan then and there is no Japanese player, you can change its history and have it stay Chinese.
by Empire of Techkotal » Tue May 23, 2023 11:21 am
by Sao Nova Europa » Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 am
Empire of Techkotal wrote:There is, but one problem I see potentially with China. What's gonna happen with the Boxer revolution and the treaty cities the western powers got out of it?
by Empire of Techkotal » Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Empire of Techkotal wrote:There is, but one problem I see potentially with China. What's gonna happen with the Boxer revolution and the treaty cities the western powers got out of it?
I assume this never happened since it would mean reforms failed - if there was such a rebellion, it would have been crushed by the reformist gov.
by Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Tue May 23, 2023 11:25 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Nation Application
Full Nation Name: Empire Français
#ODQHVVF (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
The US claimed all American territories by 1912, so Panama and the Panama Canal are American. Siam on the other hand could have become French. As for the Kra Canal, I don't see much about its feasibility online - but as long as you keep the likely high cost in mind, and the negative effects it would have had on French-British relations (by weakening the economic position of Singapore), sure.
The population feels a little too large. A militarized revolutionary state could presumably be focusing more on natality, but overturning France's low birth rate from 1888 to now would still be somewhat limited in scope. 42 million, or maybe 43 would be the largest that feels feasible. The difference for colonies is smaller, the 1921 numbers are 55,556,000, + Siam's 8 million.
Other than that, the app looks alright.
by The Rio Grande River Basin » Tue May 23, 2023 11:32 am
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Most of the usual great powers have been taken, though some reservations might expire later in the week. Japan and Italy are the two great powers that are still free.
China is also free and is also arguably a major state - particularly since a PoD from 1885 onward would give players a lot of leeway in improving the situation there.
Reserving China, simply so it is not taken by someone else, but still not sure imo
Would China with 1885 PoD be in a position similar to Meiji Japan in 1912 or would that be too much?
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by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 11:38 am
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:The US claimed all American territories by 1912, so Panama and the Panama Canal are American. Siam on the other hand could have become French. As for the Kra Canal, I don't see much about its feasibility online - but as long as you keep the likely high cost in mind, and the negative effects it would have had on French-British relations (by weakening the economic position of Singapore), sure.
The population feels a little too large. A militarized revolutionary state could presumably be focusing more on natality, but overturning France's low birth rate from 1888 to now would still be somewhat limited in scope. 42 million, or maybe 43 would be the largest that feels feasible. The difference for colonies is smaller, the 1921 numbers are 55,556,000, + Siam's 8 million.
Other than that, the app looks alright.
Ok I've change that, but was looking to add something that'd strech the french navy more, so I've replaced it with something else.
by The Rio Grande River Basin » Tue May 23, 2023 11:47 am
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by Intermountain States » Tue May 23, 2023 11:48 am
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Reserving China, simply so it is not taken by someone else, but still not sure imo
Would China with 1885 PoD be in a position similar to Meiji Japan in 1912 or would that be too much?
I mean, if we assume that someone miraculously unified and began the tedious process of unfucking it staggeringly effectively, then it could actually be more powerful than Meiji Japan.
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by Sao Nova Europa » Tue May 23, 2023 11:51 am
by Cybernetic Socialist Republics » Tue May 23, 2023 11:52 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:
Ok I've change that, but was looking to add something that'd strech the french navy more, so I've replaced it with something else.
I'm alright with France owning Hispaniola, but the notion that Haiti would just bow to French interests like that seems unlikely considering how they also refused the US to build a base. My personal suggestion would be to replace the Lüders affair with a similar situation but with a French citizen, and with the French maybe invading or subsequently taking over one way or another.
But do keep in mind that regardless of the way France got there, French control or influence in the Caribbean would likely strain France's relations with the US.
by The Rio Grande River Basin » Tue May 23, 2023 11:52 am
Intermountain States wrote:The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:I mean, if we assume that someone miraculously unified and began the tedious process of unfucking it staggeringly effectively, then it could actually be more powerful than Meiji Japan.
Which in itself a very difficult (not impossible but difficult) prospect to take on due to China’s massive size, both in population and geography.
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by Empire of Techkotal » Tue May 23, 2023 11:53 am
Cybernetic Socialist Republics wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:
I'm alright with France owning Hispaniola, but the notion that Haiti would just bow to French interests like that seems unlikely considering how they also refused the US to build a base. My personal suggestion would be to replace the Lüders affair with a similar situation but with a French citizen, and with the French maybe invading or subsequently taking over one way or another.
But do keep in mind that regardless of the way France got there, French control or influence in the Caribbean would likely strain France's relations with the US.
I'd figure the lump sum payment/no more debt payments to france + reestablishment of control over the dominican republic would go far enough but if not I'll probably just drop that part entirely.
by Deblar » Tue May 23, 2023 11:53 am
by The Rio Grande River Basin » Tue May 23, 2023 11:54 am
Empire of Techkotal wrote:Sao Nova Europa wrote:
I assume this never happened since it would mean reforms failed - if there was such a rebellion, it would have been crushed by the reformist gov.
Great one colony less to worry about.
Also anyone wanna take Cameroon, Togo, Papua Guinea and all the German Pacific Isles? If possible the German government would have sold them, after facing backlash, because of a financial scandal and reduced unnecessary spending.
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by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 11:59 am
Deblar wrote:Reservation
Nation Name: Republic of Haiti
Territory: The island of Hispaniola (Haiti+Dominican Republic)
#ODQHVVF (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
by Empire of Techkotal » Tue May 23, 2023 11:59 am
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Empire of Techkotal wrote:
Great one colony less to worry about.
Also anyone wanna take Cameroon, Togo, Papua Guinea and all the German Pacific Isles? If possible the German government would have sold them, after facing backlash, because of a financial scandal and reduced unnecessary spending.
Teddy Roosevelt comes in screaming Bully
Absolutely!
I’ll take them (cuz duh).
by Tracian Empire » Tue May 23, 2023 12:01 pm
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Intermountain States wrote:Which in itself a very difficult (not impossible but difficult) prospect to take on due to China’s massive size, both in population and geography.
It has the resources, population and space to be a great power…
Anyhow, I have a compromise for France; we can have a Suez style agreement, in that France and America at some point signed a treaty to both contribute, and hence both benefit from the canal?
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