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Sao Nova Europa
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:23 pm

Shohun wrote:Did the Korean War happen in this timeline? I'm curious as to how it would have played out if the Soviets weren't too powerful and Communist China isn't in the pciture.


Probably not. The Soviet Union collapsed into warlordism and anarchy after it lost WWII. Even if a USSR managed to survive, it would not control the entirety of Free Russia and it would not be in a position to challenge the US in the region. On the other hand, I can see a more nationalistic KMT supporting a nationalist, anti-colonial uprising in Korea, but you will have to ask Arvenia about it since he's reserved China.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:24 pm

Chedastan wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Sure. Feel free to lurk around. We still have plenty of nations that are open and perhaps some of the reservations might expire. :)

Ngl, just gauging the map I think the prospects of there being a non-aligned Turkey being stuck in the middle of this Cold War may prove to be interesting to play as. So might put that down as a reservation in a bit.


Yes, Turkey is in a pretty interesting position to be in, and they have many opportunities and possible directions to choose from (and face many threats as well).
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“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Postby Catalaonia » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:27 pm

Catalaonia wrote:WIP.

APPLICATION
NS Name: Catalaonia
RP Name: United Kingdom
Flag: https://imgur.com/FYGd7oe
Capital: London
Territory: United Kingdom at it's current height.
Population: Mainland = 52,727,763

Official Language(s): English
Ethnic Breakdown: Mainland-Only
White British - 99.2%
Other - 0.8%
Religious Breakdown:
- 87% Christian
- 9% Atheist
- 4% Other.

Type of Government: Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy.
Head of State: Queen Elizabeth II
Head of Government: Prime Minister Enoch Powell
Legislature (the name of your national legislature): House of Commons.
Legislative Houses (if your legislature is bicameral): House of Lords/House of Commons.
Party in Power: Conservative and Unionist Party
National Issues:

Stagnate Economy - Since the mid-50's, the UK Economy has been on the ropes, hit by poor heavy industry and a lack of trading partners, and therefore faces a deep recession. Widespread strikes and a collapsing heavy industry has left the British economy stagnate for over a decade.

Colonial Uprisings - Across Africa and Asia, colonies of the United Kingdom are rebelling, with various far-right groups advocating for independence in South Africa and British Central Africa set to become trouble for the future of the empire. Although quelling them may be an easy task, the amount of rebellions and the growing stance of decolonisation in the House of Commons.

Divided Cabinet - Powell's Cabinet could be best described as divided, with most of that coming from two things; Decolonisation and EEC Continued Membership. Although on the economy and most domestic issues, the cabinet and party are mostly united, these two issues have sometimes come in the way of vital laws passing.

Militant Unions - After the right-wing, nationalistic Enoch Powell was elected in a landslide, 90-seat majority, in 1959, the unions which has been under relaxed rules over strikes and financial regulations, had became almost militant, with the creation of the Worker's Paramilitary Union, in which the government fear could create strikes into violent protests.

We will surrender - The humiliating 1943 Peace treaty, even to the new decade, is still in the mind of many Brits, and is often seen as an embarrassing moment for the nation. Although this is not a current issue, it has been an issue on foreign policy and cut the UK's reputation by half.

Public Goals: Take the UK out of Recession, recover UK Heavy Industry, cut down on mass immigration and keep the British empire intact.
Private Goals: A hardliner stance on Greater German Reich, supply weapons to Reich-controlled areas and quell anti-colonist revolts in Africa and Asia.

GDP (nominal): £65 Billion.
Currency: British Pound.
Economic System: Mixed Economy.
Major Trade Partners: German Reich, USA, France, China and Various African States.
Alliance(s): None at the moment.

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches):
- Royal Army
- Royal Navy
- Royal Airforce (RAF)
- Royal Marines
- British Colonial Garrison (BCG)

Active Duty: 425,000
Reserve Duty: 850,000
Total Manpower: ?

Land Forces:
300,000 in total.
1950's equipment

Air Force:
200 Hurricanes
320 Spitfires
Various other aircraft

Naval Forces:
200 Destroyers.
50 Submarines
45 Coastal Patrol Ships.
9 Cruisers.

Other Military Information:
The British Colonial Garrison has a total force of 125,000 members.

History:
Churchill's Surrender and Post-War recovery
In 1943, Winston Churchill, who had been determined to keep the war effort going, was forced by his cabinet to sign a embarrassing peace agreement with the German Reich, and the war is over for the United Kingdom. Almost instantly, Churchill and the government became massively unpopular and was forced to resign over unpopularity and via multiple resignations in his cabinet. Edward Wood was chosen by the cabinet, known as the National Government, to be the PM until the 1945 General election.

Wood has been a One-Nation Pragmatist, and during his short tenure of just 2 years, managed to pass vital legalisation with the introduction of the modern welfare state as-well the groundwork for state-owned companies. Despite a slow tick in popularity, the 1945 election saw defeat for Wood's Tories and Atlee's instillation of power.


Atlee, Donavon and Colonial Tensions
The UK's economy suffered a short-lived boom in the first few months, mostly through the initial popularity of Atlee's government. From 1945-47, Atlee made widespread reforms, increasing welfare payments and setting up the NHS, similar to RL. Atlee's domestic reforms, not just in economy, but to domestic affairs, were popular, and managed to recover the British economy, hitting 5.2% growth for 1947. However, many note the UK faced a delayed "Post-War Depression" which saw relations between unions and the government turn cold, as the UK's heavy industry was left out in the cold.

The UK plunged into a recession in the Summer of 1948, and Atlee's government was fairly unpopular. Atlee made efforts to deter this by his visit to various colonies, which backfired and even saw the Ugandan Uprising of 1949 follow suit, which further deterred his popularity. In the 1949 election, the Conservatives won an 8-seat majority, led by the young, one-nation pragmatistic politician, Allister Donavon, to become PM. In his first year, Donavon managed to recover the economy via his tax cuts and his calming of the markets, as-well as the quelling of the several revolts in Africa.

He formed the British Colonial Garrison, mostly in Central Africa, in response to heightened tensions, as-well as his banking reforms early into 1950 led to an economic boom from 1950-1952, leading to a reinforced sense of optimism in Britain. This soon went in the Winter of 53'. Amid union tensions and mostly industry tensions, the government declared a temporary 2-year ban on strikes, which was the sole catalyst for widespread strikes, protests and riots across the country. The winter of 53' saw an economic gridlock, and had long-lasting impacts. Donavon faced a seemingly impossible 1954 election, facing strikes and unpopularity. However, he managed to win via a coalition with The Liberal Party. Some have called the 1954 election a shock, however, it was Labour's support of the strikes which saw their support crumble.

Donavon led for another 2 years, in which were considered fairly stagnate, unable to pass vital law to prevent widespread strikes. The UK economy struggled to pick up speed, with inflation ticking up and up during this period. From 1953-1956, this is often called the "3 years of strikes". Allister resigned for health reasons after falling ill of heart disease, and saw his Deputy PM, Harold Macmillan, succeed him.


Rise and Fall of Macmillan
Macmillan tenure as PM has 2 parts. His early years up to the Summer of 1958 were considered fairly good, with his swift reforms on housing and the establishment of a more defined middle-class seeing some form of recovery, however, Macmillan was plagued by the more nationalistic and his opposition to his encouragement of immigration, the leader of this faction being Enoch Powell. Then came the Summer of 1958, when Macmillan failed to pass the Banking Reform Act thanks to a revolt led by Powell. This led to what was known as his political downfall. During this period up to the 1959 election, with Labour struggling to gain any sense of stability, mostly divided on trade unions and economic policy, Macmillan went to war with Powell's "Blue Boys" or known as the "Black Tories".

Macmillan's Popularity faded quickly during this tenure of parliamentary stagnation and political gridlock. With just a few months until the 1959 election, Macmillan folded and resigned as PM, mostly due to pressure from his cabinet, who supported Powell, as-well as his unpopularity. Powell won the leadership race and became PM.


Powell's Victory and Present Day
The 1959 election was a surprise once more. Deemed see either a hung parliament or a slim conservative majority. It was Powell's cuts to immigration, promises of a harder stance on Germany and establishment of an "Inter-connected African economy" which gained his party a landslide victory. Fast-forward to the present day, and the UK is in the midth of an economic recession, domestic and international problems, and a cold war. Will Britain look to take on the German might, or will the sun finally set on the British empire?


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Sao Nova Europa
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:30 pm

Catalaonia wrote:
APPLICATION
NS Name: Catalaonia
RP Name: United Kingdom


ACCEPTED
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- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:42 pm

Note: Updated the map with India and expanded Germany a bit at the expense of France because Ovstylap will be joining as Himmler.

Also, I have to note that I will be putting on the map only accepted nations, not reserved ones, so be sure to check the roster rather than only the map. :)
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"I’ve just bitten a snake. Never mind me, I’ve got business to look after."
- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:45 pm

RESERVATION
NS Name: Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
RP Name: Third Federal Republic of Central America
Territory: Costa Rica, EL Salvador, Guatemala, Hondruas, Nicaragua, Los Altos, Panama

Do not remove - 1960RP
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:46 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
RESERVATION
NS Name: Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
RP Name: Third Federal Republic of Central America
Territory: Costa Rica, EL Salvador, Guatemala, Hondruas, Nicaragua, Los Altos, Panama

Do not remove - 1960RP


Reservation noted. :)
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"I’ve just bitten a snake. Never mind me, I’ve got business to look after."
- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:58 pm

I didn't even know that my territory was also in Bulgaria.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:02 pm

GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:I didn't even know that my territory was also in Bulgaria.


It's not. Bulgaria simply has a similar color. It is an independent country. :)
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- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:06 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:I didn't even know that my territory was also in Bulgaria.


It's not. Bulgaria simply has a similar color. It is an independent country. :)

Now I can see it, but where is the Suez Canal that was supposed to be under my control?
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:09 pm

GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
It's not. Bulgaria simply has a similar color. It is an independent country. :)

Now I can see it, but where is the Suez Canal that was supposed to be under my control?


There is a person who has contacted me about Egypt, so they have priority. If they do not make a reservation, I will be inclined to give it to you. Also, as I've stated on opening post in the first page, French West Africa will not be given to Italy since it's under the control of Free France (or potentially some successor states).

Is your app ready for review or still under work? Simply checking since from skimming at it, it looks complete. :)
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"I’ve just bitten a snake. Never mind me, I’ve got business to look after."
- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:23 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:Now I can see it, but where is the Suez Canal that was supposed to be under my control?


There is a person who has contacted me about Egypt, so they have priority. If they do not make a reservation, I will be inclined to give it to you. Also, as I've stated on the first page, French West Africa will not be given to Italy since it's under the control of Free France (or potentially some successor states).

Is your app ready for review or still under work?

West Africa I changed to Equatorial Africa, and I'm still thinking about correcting some things to make it more realistic, like for example taking Yugoslavia, since Mussolini wanted that in World War II.
Just a Futuristic, vengeful, militarized, expansionist German Empire, nothing much to worry about, unless you're one of my targets, then you need to worry. :P
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Victioria tears up Treaty and Peace banning Chemical Weapons production in Germany and the destruction of chemical weapons, chemical factories began producing chemical materials, ´´Chemical Terror´´ imminent.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:26 pm

GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
There is a person who has contacted me about Egypt, so they have priority. If they do not make a reservation, I will be inclined to give it to you. Also, as I've stated on the first page, French West Africa will not be given to Italy since it's under the control of Free France (or potentially some successor states).

Is your app ready for review or still under work?

West Africa I changed to Equatorial Africa, and I'm still thinking about correcting some things to make it more realistic, like for example taking Yugoslavia, since Mussolini wanted that in World War II.


Yugoslavia would be under Italian influence and your government would be hegemonic in the area but they will not be under direct control, so it can be open to players who want to join as fascist collaborators. With the exception of the Suez Canal (assuming we don't get an Egyptian app), Italy's borders will more or less remain the same.

EDIT:

Cyprus is open to claim though.
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- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:30 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:West Africa I changed to Equatorial Africa, and I'm still thinking about correcting some things to make it more realistic, like for example taking Yugoslavia, since Mussolini wanted that in World War II.


Yugoslavia would be under Italian influence and your government would be hegemonic in the area but they will not be under direct control, so it can be open to players who want to join as fascist collaborators. With the exception of the Suez Canal (assuming we don't get an Egyptian app), Italy's borders will more or less remain the same.

EDIT:

Cyprus is open to claim though.

In short: No more trying to be realistic in Italian desires.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:16 pm

GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:
APPLICATION
NS Name: German Empire of Kaisereich
PR Name: Kingdom of Italy


So, I've been skimming your app and since you are working towards revising it I will be adding up some more changes that would need to be made:

1) The population from what I understand concerns only Italy proper, right? You do not need to add colonial population, but you should mention that it concerns only Italy proper.

2) The GDP is way too high. Italy had a GDP of 40.39 USD Billion in RL in 1960. Granted, with victory in WWII and retaining its colonial empire, the Italian Empire would potentially have a larger economy, but 1,6 trillion is just way too high. For comparison, the US in RL 1960 had a GDP of $543 billion.

3) 3,300,000 is far too many active ground soldiers for Italy. For comparison, in WWII the Royal Italian Army fielded about 2,560,000 men, and this was in wartime conditions. Unless you plan on Italy being a North Korea of sorts which is nearly bankrupt and highly-militarized, you will have to downsize significantly this number, especially since Italy is not engaged in active warfare.

4) Air Force and Navy look better, but you will have to reduce the number of destroyers. Maximum would be 160 - 180.

5) I will be needing an RP sample, AKA a link to a post you've made in some past RP you've participated in. If you have not participated in an RP in these forums, you can also write a two paragraphs sample. This is a requirement since this RP discourages single-sentence posts and requires high-effort posting, so I need to know players are up to the task before I can trust them with a nation (especially one as important as Italy).

If you have any more questions or need any further assistance (concerning GDP numbers, etch), feel free to ask. I'm always glad to help. :)
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- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Postby Chedastan » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:25 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:EDIT:

Cyprus is open to claim though.

Inb4 I have İsmet İnönü doing some shenanigans in the immediate post-war years. : P
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:27 pm

Chedastan wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:EDIT:

Cyprus is open to claim though.

Inb4 I have İsmet İnönü doing some shenanigans in the immediate post-war years. : P


That would be fun :p

Do you want me to formally reserve Turkey for you? Don't worry, if you decide not to participate, you can withdraw your reservation. Just asking because it seems you are interested in it. :)
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"I’ve just bitten a snake. Never mind me, I’ve got business to look after."
- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby Chedastan » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:30 pm

Here let me be formal and actually fill it out lol.

RESERVATION
NS Name: Chedastan
RP Name: The Republic of Turkey
Territory: Historical Turkish borders for this time period, which is basically modern borders. (Northern Cyprus/all of Cyprus pending depending on what an Italian player would wish to do with it first)

Do not remove - 1960RP
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Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:32 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:
APPLICATION
NS Name: German Empire of Kaisereich
PR Name: Kingdom of Italy


So, I've been skimming your app and since you are working towards revising it I will be adding up some more changes that would need to be made:

1) The population from what I understand concerns only Italy proper, right? You do not need to add colonial population, but you should mention that it concerns only Italy proper.

2) The GDP is way too high. Italy had a GDP of 40.39 USD Billion in RL in 1960. Granted, with victory in WWII and retaining its colonial empire, the Italian Empire would potentially have a larger economy, but 1,6 trillion is just way too high. For comparison, the US in RL 1960 had a GDP of $543 billion.

3) 3,300,000 is far too many active ground soldiers for Italy. For comparison, in WWII the Royal Italian Army fielded about 2,560,000 men, and this was in wartime conditions. Unless you plan on Italy being a North Korea of sorts which is nearly bankrupt and highly-militarized, you will have to downsize significantly this number, especially since Italy is not engaged in active warfare.

4) Air Force and Navy look better, but you will have to reduce the number of destroyers. Maximum would be 160 - 180.

5) I will be needing an RP sample, AKA a link to a post you've made in some past RP you've participated in. If you have not participated in an RP in these forums, you can also write a two paragraphs sample. This is a requirement since this RP discourages single-sentence posts and requires high-effort posting, so I need to know players are up to the task before I can trust them with a nation (especially one as important as Italy).

If you have any more questions or need any further assistance (concerning GDP numbers, etch), feel free to ask. I'm always glad to help. :)

In terms of RP, the ones I participated in weren't that good, but there was one that was against Warroriun, which was the only war I lost, I'll look for it here and I'll post it.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:32 pm

Chedastan wrote:Here let me be formal and actually fill it out lol.

RESERVATION
NS Name: Chedastan
RP Name: The Republic of Turkey
Territory: Historical Turkish borders for this time period, which is basically modern borders. (Northern Cyprus/all of Cyprus pending depending on what an Italian player would wish to do with it first)

Do not remove - 1960RP


Reservation noted and added to the roster. :)
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"I’ve just bitten a snake. Never mind me, I’ve got business to look after."
- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby Hopal » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:35 pm

I remember being the UK in the last version of this RP and loving it! It was a shame really that it died as soon as it did.

I'm definitely going to be putting up a reservation especially since I'm going to have some free time opening up after the holidays. I'm thinking an economically-stagnant US-aligned Australian Republic. I love the idea of being able to sandbox domestic politics in relative while being big enough to be able to pursue an independent-ish foreign policy and being able to have some say in international affairs.

Here:
RESERVATION
NS Name: Hopal
RP Name: The Australian Republic
Territory: Australia's borders irl

Do not remove - 1960RP
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:41 pm

Hopal wrote:I remember being the UK in the last version of this RP and loving it! It was a shame really that it died as soon as it did.

I'm definitely going to be putting up a reservation especially since I'm going to have some free time opening up after the holidays. I'm thinking an economically-stagnant US-aligned Australian Republic. I love the idea of being able to sandbox domestic politics in relative while being big enough to be able to pursue an independent-ish foreign policy and being able to have some say in international affairs.


Glad to see you here. Australia would certainly be an interesting choice. You will have plenty of flexibility in both domestic and foreign politics. Would be interested to see your concept. :)

EDIT: Reservation noted. :)
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby GermanEmpire of kaisereich » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:47 pm

Updates made in Italy, I don't know if it's good now.
Just a Futuristic, vengeful, militarized, expansionist German Empire, nothing much to worry about, unless you're one of my targets, then you need to worry. :P
A nation of 51.6 in democracy according to this https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=528862.
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NS Name: Ovstylap
RP Name: Ordensstaat Burgundy (translated as the SS State of Burgundy, or also known as Burgundy, known in OOC as OS Burgundy or Burgundy).
Flag: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-new-order-the-last-days-of-europe/images/b/b0/Burgundy.png/revision/latest?cb=20181211201900
Capital: Reims (Rheims)
Territory: https://i.imgur.com/KrzWhXa.png Note that Wallonia should also be included.
Population: 20,225,000

Official Language(s): German (Official), Flemish (Limited Recognition with a permit)
Ethnic Breakdown: 45.5% German, 18.8% Germanised, 35.7% Un-Germanised
Religious Breakdown:
45% Catholic
34% Gottgläubig
14% Protestant
7% Esoterism/Neo-Germanic paganism
Note: This is just what the census reports

Type of Government: A totalitarian, partially Stratocracy state with a hardline Esoteric Nazi ideology. It is autonomous administrative unit of the Greater Germanic Reich, responsible only for domestic affairs.
Head of State: Heinrich Himmler
Head of Government: Heinrich Himmler
Legislature: The Burgundian Schutzstaffel Department for Internal Law
Legislative Houses: There are only branches of government.
Party in Power: The Burgundian Schutzstaffel, officially the NSDAP by membership.
National Issues:
1) Radical Ideology: Himmler's Burgundian system effectively views the German reality of Nazism as having strayed from its purest core. As such, ideology is favoured over pragmatism, resulting in inefficiency, significant amounts of internal resistance and dedication of resources to counter-subversion, and unpopularity in Germany proper.
2) Uncertain Loyalties: Whilst the Burgundian SS is one thing, the Allegmeine SS is nominally under the control of Himmler, but is more aligned with Reinhard Heydrich. Bureacratic overlap of the SS makes internal rivalries, uncertain loyalties, and competitive infighting cause mistrust, a difference between reality, truth, and knowledge, and other inefficiencies.
3) Unacceptable but Necessary subjects: The French. A decadent, weak people. But the lifeblood of the Burgundian economy. A race utilized as slaves, yet having their own puppet state just to the south. A people who are oppressed so that even more inferior slaves are not needed, yet who pose a strong political threat. What is to be done with these people, what is to be done when they are not allowed to speak their own language but to integrate them as if they were Germans betrays Himmler. It is surely the French who are the problem, not Himmler's radicalism, surely?
Public Goals: Maintenance of German hegemony over Europe, successful waging of the 'Forever War' against the 'Judeo-Bolshevik-Asiatic hordes,' growth of support for hardline Nazi ideology throughout the Greater Germanic Reich, achieve the Masterplan for the East.
Private Goals: Align the Burgundian, Deutsche, and Waffen SS, sway Goebbels, reverse Speer's reforms, reform Germany into a Spartan state, make the SS the primary Armed Force of Germany.
Even more Private Goal- ensure that the SS can continue as a powerhouse if Himmler proves to threaten the SS's actual longevity by making it so unpopular.

Notes on nature of this nation OS Burgundy is a puppet of the Greater German Reich. When Burgundian SS is used, this refers to those units and persons directly within the state apparatus of Burgundy, directly loyal to Himmler (in principle), it is these who I have executive control over. Nominally, and lore-wise, there may be some organisational or bureacratic loyalty amongst other SS elements, whether Deutsche or Waffen, in the policing, security, concentration camp, and anti-partisan, or military units in the East- but I do not have executive control over these, only nominal connection with approval by the OP for these on a per post basis.

GDP (nominal): 21 billion
Currency: Reichsmark
Economic System: Theoretically, State Capitalism, though there is to many intents and purposes, a Command Economy, supplemented by a slave economy and free gray/black market involving subsistence goods.
Major Trade Partners: Greater Germanic Reich, Reichskommissariat Belgien, Reichskommissariat Niederlande, Reichskommissariat Dänemark. France and UK to a lesser and more specific extent, often involving the black market.
Alliance(s): European Economic Community.

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches): The Burgundian Schutzstaffel. Elements may be loyal from the Deutsche and Waffen SS

Active Duty: 227,403
Reserve Duty: 32074
Total Manpower: 259,477

Land Forces: The Burgundian SS directly commands a strong force of 9 SS-Grenadier divisions, each having a paper strength of 17773, for a total of 159,957 men. Often, these units are distributed and involved in various border control and anti-resistance units. Normally two are rotated on two-year shifts to the Eastern Front at any one time, with these rotations being staggered.

Each of these divisions, consisting of 17773 men, is more highly equipped on average than a Wehrmacht division, on a per capita basis, as they have 388 machine-guns, 114 mortars, 64 anti-tank guns, and 18 howitzers. This amounts to 177,730 men,
3,492 machine guns, 1026 mortars, 576 anti-tank guns, and 162 howitzers.

This can be compared with a standard Wehrmacht division of: 25,000 men, 442 machine guns, 135 mortars, 72 antitank guns, and 24 howitzers. As such, for 45-46 SS men there is a machine-gun, versus an MG for 56-57. 155-156 men per mortar versus 185 men per mortar. 277 or 278 men per anti-tank gun versus 347 men per anti-tank gun. 987 men per howitzer versus 1041 or 1042 men per Howitzer. However, this means that in each SS unit there is a higher ratio of combat support than in a Wehrmacht unit, increasing its logistical chain, and forces troops to carry more.

The remaining 61,043 men are divided between the three non-German SS divisions, the Charlemagne, Walloon, and Langemarck divisions, in addition to the Leibstandarte SS Heinrich Himmler (or LSSHH), and Burgundian SS Panzer Regiments.

Charlemagne consists of 12452 men, 10 tanks, 240 machine guns, 63 mortars, 38 anti-tank guns, and 12 howitzers. It is thus more closely equipped to a Wehrmacht than an SS-Grenadier division.

Walloon consists of 14585 men, 14 tanks, 276 machine guns, 91 mortars, 49 anti-tank guns, 15 howitzers. It is thus similarly equipped to an SS-Grenadier division.

Langemarck consists of 9893 men, 7 tanks, 153 machine guns, 51 mortars, 29 anti-tank guns, 10 howitzers. It is thus the weakest of all of the SS divisions, due to being mauled in Reichskommissariat Moskowien recently.

LSSHH consists of 12,209 men, with these being the finest and most loyal of the SS-Grenadiers. They have 47 tanks, 243 machine guns, 71 mortars, 38 anti-tank guns, and 8 howitzers. As such, its equipment ratios are mostly between an SS-Grenadier and a Wehrmacht division.

The 3 Burgundian SS Panzer Regiments, each of 4003 men, each consist of 110 tanks, 3 support battalions, and 2 artillery batteries. This makes them broadly similar when combined to a Wehrmacht panzer division, as each one is comprised of about 11,800 men, 328 tanks, 8 support battalions and 6 artillery batteries.

Burgundy thus has a total of 221,105 active duty men in combat units, 408 tanks, 4404 machine guns, 1302 mortars, 730 anti-tank guns, and 207 howitzers. The 32074 'reserve' duty men indicate men in not combat/combat support units, and thus include a variety of mechanical, administrative, technical, logistical, training, medical, intelligence, policing, and independently assigned personnel- not intended for the frontline.

Air Force: The Luftwaffe itself protects Burgundy, though a small force has been raised over the past three years. Many of the personnel however either didn't make the Luftwaffe internal cuts, or were below entry requirements, or were removed from their units. Of all of the Burgundian forces, these are the least disciplined. A total of 31 dive bombers, 7 bombers, 47 fighters, and 53 transports are run by Burgundy, for a total of 138 operational aircraft. There are 2723 personnel- they are thinly stretched indeed!

Naval Forces: Burgundy has almost no navy to speak of, other than 4 torpedo boats, 7 minesweepers/layers, two small submarines, and a few dozen river/coastal craft, primarily for interdicting black market and resistance activity. There are only 3575 personnel involved.

Other Military Information: Though not under direct Burgundian control, there are a number of SS units and personnel in other parts of the Reich which may have some loyalties to Burgundy. Of note there are around 8500 personnel in Kaukasia, 1100 in Poland, 4300 in Yugoslavia, and 15300 in Ukraine, Ostland, and Moskowien. These are under the control of Sao, but could be used in approved arcs and posts to some extent.

History:
By 1943, the SS had proved itself pivotal in enabling Germany to achieve mastery of Europe. SS-Grenadiers proved vital in the tenacious fighting in the city of Stalingrad, whilst SS Panzer units achieved a breakthrough at Kursk. In Leningrad, members of the Wiking division broke into the government quarter, and were able to occupy the NKVD headquarters.

Through to the end of the war, the SS proved themselves to have the brutal tenacity necessary to rout Soviet elements, and partisans throughout Eastern Europe, as well as administrating the vast appartus of extermination and deportation necessary to achieve Hitler's fundamental aims, and work on Generalplan Ost. However, elements within the SS had grown appalled at their capacity for self-sacrifice being abused in their eyes by the state. The lack of any clear signs that the SS would come to dominate the Armed Forces, and ultimately replace them, and their high casualty rates sustained by being the first-in, last-out, began to cause internal resentment.

Seeing the bureaucratic infighting and underappreciation of the SS, and witnessing their power and influence diminish as their extermination of the Jews get closer and closer to completion in the occupied territories, there were those who were becoming increasingly disatisifed. The vastly expensive master plan for the East, the construction of Germania, and the costs of war came together to burden the German economy more and more, and the SS saw their private economic empire be steadily dismantled. What was worse was that they were getting less recruits of the right calibre as others left to colonise the East, or as society weakened, in their eyes.

The economic recession, and the lack of ideological radicalism within the population, the mass complaint and unwillingness to make sacrifices, all was increasingly making it seem as if the German people were becoming weak. Hitler seemed to be sidelined more and more by bureacrats, walked over by military demands, and the SS, out of respect for him, were still loyal and not pressuring him overly. But such could not be sustained. In 1949, several SS units left the frontline by the Urals, and allowed Soviet successor units to push through, and a number of Wehrmacht minor units were subsequently harmed, a couple lost. Two divisions refused to move from Germany to the Eastern Front, and in Germania Speer and his staff were denied access to several construction projects within a couple of days.

In Dresden, the SS took over a prison and executed all of the political dissidents there, and in three camps outside Nuremburg the SS carried out mass executions. In Ukraine, an SS unit disarmed a few thousand Romanians, and ended up extrajudicially executing 239 men who were accused of racial crimes, political treachery, and cowardice. This series of actions in June and July 1949 came close to being seen as a coup, but no evidence could be found for a widely co-ordinated effort- instead it was an outpouring of SS anger.

Almost all news of the incidents was covered up, and several assassinations occurred in Romania to keep things under a close lid. The SS units by the Urals launched a counter-attack and repulsed the Soviet successors, and the divisions which had refused to move saw their senior commanders reassigned, and then they carried out their transfer orders.

By 1951, the SS, or at least elements of it, were seen as one of the new internal factions, and as they remained upset, clamouring for power and ideological fervour, Hitler took action. By the end of the year, the Ordensstaat Burgundy was being formed, and by September 1953 the SS took over full administration of Wallonia and parts of North-Eastern France as an autonomous administrative unit. Under Himmler, who took command, are the Burgundian SS. A great collection of the most radical and Esoteric Nazis, as well as personnel he requested, or who were approved transfer. This ideological core rules over Burgundy by fear and tyranny, implementing a 'purer' ideology. There is also the Deutsche SS, under the command of Reinhard Heydrich, though there are mixed views on how loyal he is to Himmler, and then finally there is the Waffen SS, which is the least political, and is that branch which is operating throughout the eastern Reichskommissariats as part of the security apparatus. There are links between them all, but it is only the Burgundian SS and individual connections who are truly loyal to Himmler.

Over the past several years, the Ordensstaat has turned into a concrete dystopian nightmare, with the tightest regulations on what information and trade goes in and out. Himmler has created a shadow state, and the Burgundian SS run their own minor operations in many parts of the world (OOC: will clear on case by case basis with the OP). Systematically, French and Belgian culture is being wiped out, and the people Germanised or otherwise worked into complete subservience and reliance on their overlords.

Such is the Ordensstaat. Though some enter, almost none leave. Though many are born, few live. Though many hope, little continue to do so. Though many fear, nothing can be done.

RP Example(s):
Grey clouds high and thin in the sky, the light turning purple as the sun prepared itself to recover from the efforts of lighting the earths. The evening twilight was a beautiful time, but it was representative of the end of things. A dozen dozens were gathered. Old men and women stood with their offspring and theirs around them. Children were held, wrapped in primitive cloaks of hide, and focused on watching the torchlit procession pass. The occasional insect passed around buzzed in the light cast by the torches. The procession passed through in silence, though the priests at the front were chanting hymns of gratitude to the Merciful Ones, seeking their blessing on the spirit of the dead. A woman fell to the ground as a shrouded body was carried by broad-shouldered men, and cried aloud, wailing her sobs into the ground. Two of her own children knelt by her and cuddled her, trying to comfort their mourning mother.

At the end of the procession was a wooden pyre, which Thusnelda herself stood by, bearing a flaming torch. With gravity and respect, those carrying the body lowered it gently onto the pyre, as the priests circled around before circling again and pausing, facing outwards from the pyre. The crowds gathered around. The brother of the dead spoke for a short while, praising their attributes, and sharing a couple of funny stories. One of the wise elders spoke of their character and temperament, whilst his daughter praised her father for his love and care. A few more spoke, before the priestess overseeing the ceremony spoke on the nature of life itself. Thusnelda echoed her agreement, and intoned the sacred prayers for the passing of the dead. The people echoed their response, and a torch was thrust into the heart of the pyre.

Soon the flames which catch, as old embers, as bits of kindling, as twigs caught, and then the branches, and the larger ones, before all was aflame. Herbs and plants burned in the pyre, helping to conceal the smell that was otherwise like burning boarmeat. Thusnelda stood close to the blaze, allowing herself to perspire, and waited before the priests backed away before she did likely. Gradually did the people disperse, leaving only those who wished to say their final farewells and speak to the departing. In the morning, the ashes were all gathered together. These would be scattered across areas of importance to the departed, in the homes of their loved ones, and on the trees which were planted in memory of them. Others were given to the River of Rest, and others to wild fruit bushes and trees.

That day a scholar of the Ravarii was laid to rest. Killed by the great lizard which plagued the land. And so it would continue until either the lizard moved away for lack of food, or the appropriate men trained and equipped to deal with it. Yet ditches would be dug, and the timber gathered so that a palisade might be constructed. In the meantime, the sentries were doubled, and the hunting parties sent out in larger groups.


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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:59 pm

GermanEmpire of kaisereich wrote:Updates made in Italy, I don't know if it's good now.


I really hate to have to do this, but have to be honest so I do not waste your time. Unfortunately, based on both the application and the RP sample, I do not think you are the right person for Italy. Italy is an important nation in this RP and so requires a somewhat experienced player.

I would still be happy to have you in the RP if you want to join some nation that is more friendly towards newcomers. Perhaps something like Chile or Thailand? In those cases, I would also be more lenient, since they are not as central to the RP as Italy is. Otherwise, you might perhaps wish to join RPs in the International Incidents forums which tend to be more beginner-friendly.

Nothing personal and hope no offense is taken. I really thank you for your effort and time. :)
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