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Postby The V O I D » Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:56 am

IC Post to try to start the diplomatic meeting with China and the US coming ... soon-ish. Probably gonna set it up so they happen about a week apart or so.

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Postby HISPIDA » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:01 pm

reserving japan, if you don't mind. i should have an app ready today or tomorrow.

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NS Name: Hispida
RP Name: State of Japan
Territory: Japanese home islands

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Postby Watermelon » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:04 pm

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NS Name: Watermelon
RP Name: Israel/State of Israel
Territory: Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Jerusalem

Do not remove - 1960RP


This is gonna be a hard one. So basically, there was an Israeli-Arab except that the Allies supported Israel while the Axis supported the Arabs. The Allies won, as it could be told, and established the State of Israel. Now Germany has to fight the very people they oppressed.


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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:16 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
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RP Name: Kingdom of Romania (Regatul României)


ACCEPTED

Thank you

I will be trying to post in the next few days. I was planning to start by having the Romanians start pressuring Bulgaria diplomatically, but if there is a chance that we'll get an active player for it I will postpone that, since it would be best for stuff like that to be planned between players.
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Postby Ovstylap » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:21 pm

Upper Magica wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Map has been updated, and so has the roster. Aiming for a German post tomorrow, and events post next week so I can give some more time to new players. From next week on, I'll also be able to be more active in general as I will be returning from Christmas vacations and have access to my desktop PC. :)

Known map issues: Argentina is limited to RL Argentina territories until app has been accepted.


Welcome back, OP. Was starting to wonder.

I'll have a new Russia post up later this week; I had something of a meta question in re: Germany inspired by Bruhgundy's latest post - what's the Russian-German diplomatic situation looking like at the start? Specifically, are us Russian players kind of just stuck in a frozen conflict with the Germans with the occasional border incursion/anti-partisan operation or something? Or is it more of an Iron Curtain kind of situation where the borders are clearly defined and there's no real desire for either party to push West or East at the moment?


On my side of things I thought there has just been an often frozen conflict with a kind of contested zone and a combination of anti-Partisan, anti-criminal activity, and raids by rogue units, etc etc, and occaisonal probing attacks by either side. I have it that the Burgundian's have two divisions on the Eastern Front (often as smaller units in various areas conducting a mixture of operations), with each year a rotation of one of the divisions. So Year 1 Division A is there alongside Division B. Year 2 Division A replaced by Division C, which stays with B. Year 3 Division B is replaced by Division D etc.

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Postby Upper Magica » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:27 pm

Ovstylap wrote:
Upper Magica wrote:
Welcome back, OP. Was starting to wonder.

I'll have a new Russia post up later this week; I had something of a meta question in re: Germany inspired by Bruhgundy's latest post - what's the Russian-German diplomatic situation looking like at the start? Specifically, are us Russian players kind of just stuck in a frozen conflict with the Germans with the occasional border incursion/anti-partisan operation or something? Or is it more of an Iron Curtain kind of situation where the borders are clearly defined and there's no real desire for either party to push West or East at the moment?


On my side of things I thought there has just been an often frozen conflict with a kind of contested zone and a combination of anti-Partisan, anti-criminal activity, and raids by rogue units, etc etc, and occaisonal probing attacks by either side. I have it that the Burgundian's have two divisions on the Eastern Front (often as smaller units in various areas conducting a mixture of operations), with each year a rotation of one of the divisions. So Year 1 Division A is there alongside Division B. Year 2 Division A replaced by Division C, which stays with B. Year 3 Division B is replaced by Division D etc.


Yeah, I kind of thought along the same lines, with the exception that the Republic isn't especially seeking to test the Germans on the Eastern border - instead, the ROA is focused on popping partisan groups, bandits, and smugglers that threaten the tenuous peace with Germany, since control is...loose, to say the least, on their end. At present, the Republic's German policy, summarized since I haven't really got to flesh that aspect of things out and I'd rather do that ICly, is a policy of non-confrontation/armed neutrality, but on the other side of the coin, non-cooperation with the Germans. It'd be nice to get both the OP/German player's word on this though so that way things are ~settled~ and we're all on the same page, since that's... kind of important for all of us :lol:

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Postby Ovstylap » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:28 pm

I'm happy with that :)

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:31 pm

Both Japan and Israel reservations noted.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:32 pm

Ovstylap wrote:
Upper Magica wrote:
Welcome back, OP. Was starting to wonder.

I'll have a new Russia post up later this week; I had something of a meta question in re: Germany inspired by Bruhgundy's latest post - what's the Russian-German diplomatic situation looking like at the start? Specifically, are us Russian players kind of just stuck in a frozen conflict with the Germans with the occasional border incursion/anti-partisan operation or something? Or is it more of an Iron Curtain kind of situation where the borders are clearly defined and there's no real desire for either party to push West or East at the moment?


On my side of things I thought there has just been an often frozen conflict with a kind of contested zone and a combination of anti-Partisan, anti-criminal activity, and raids by rogue units, etc etc, and occaisonal probing attacks by either side. I have it that the Burgundian's have two divisions on the Eastern Front (often as smaller units in various areas conducting a mixture of operations), with each year a rotation of one of the divisions. So Year 1 Division A is there alongside Division B. Year 2 Division A replaced by Division C, which stays with B. Year 3 Division B is replaced by Division D etc.


More or less this.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:32 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If necessary, I am willing to take over Italy. I would want to do some tweaking on the app, but if we need an active player there I can pick it up.


Sure. You are welcome to it. Do you want me to reserve it for you? Also, would it be OK to have Central America remain as an NPC? It is an interesting concept which some player may want to take over. :)

For sure! I can also keep writing as Central America, since it would be a shame if that part of the world remains empty, and I have some things planned. We just ensure that Italy and Central America do not mix too much for balance reasons, then I can keep both going for the sake of story.

Will be posting an app later today.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:41 pm

Would Germany still have troops in Romania?

The so-called "German–Romanian Treaty for the Development of Economic Relations between the Two Countries" that essentially gave Germany free economic zones within Romania would have expired in 1949 and Romania would have taken advantage of the German recession and internal issues to refuse to extend it.

As far as troops are concerned, Germany essentially sent troops to Romania as part of its military missions. There was an umbrella military mission with three subordinate missions, one for the army, one for the navy, and one for the air force - each with the purpose to help modernize the Romanian forces. Romania wouldn't have pushed the matter so far as to ensure the complete removal of German troops and of the missions, but they would have opposed the continued presence of considerable forces - so from that perspective, would Germany still have troops or military missions in Romania?

As for other treaties, the autonomy of the German minority in Romania wouldn't have been affected, though it is targeted by the government right now, particularly the right of the Waffen SS to directly recruit people from the German minority without the Romanian authorities having any say.
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Postby Ovstylap » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:44 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
As for other treaties, the autonomy of the German minority in Romania wouldn't have been affected, though it is targeted by the government right now, particularly the right of the Waffen SS to directly recruit people from the German minority without the Romanian authorities having any say.


I was just about to ask something similar. I don't think that the Burgundian SS will be able to directly be recruiting Germans living in Romania, but the Waffen SS may well be, and some of their personnel may end up requesting transfer etc. Regardless, even if it isn't under the Burgundian system, Himmler will advocate where possible, and I imagine Heydrich will as well, to not allow a European nation to place restrictions on the recruitment of Volksdeutche or other volunteers.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:55 pm

Germany wouldn't have troops in Romania but I can see German officers in Romania acting as advisors to the Romanian military, offering technical expertise. Also, about the SS, that would certainly be an interesting argument to have IC with different factions inside Germany pushing for either a more conciliatory policy or a more hard-line position against Romania on the issue.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:58 pm

Ovstylap wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
As for other treaties, the autonomy of the German minority in Romania wouldn't have been affected, though it is targeted by the government right now, particularly the right of the Waffen SS to directly recruit people from the German minority without the Romanian authorities having any say.


I was just about to ask something similar. I don't think that the Burgundian SS will be able to directly be recruiting Germans living in Romania, but the Waffen SS may well be, and some of their personnel may end up requesting transfer etc. Regardless, even if it isn't under the Burgundian system, Himmler will advocate where possible, and I imagine Heydrich will as well, to not allow a European nation to place restrictions on the recruitment of Volksdeutche or other volunteers.

The Waffen SS should be - there was an agreement signed in 1943 that allowed the Waffen-SS to essentially conscript the members of the German minority in Romania, without any oversight by the Romanian authorities (other than to inform them of the conscription so that the person in question would be removed from the Romanian military lists). And it's that particular thing that Romania would have an issue against - it's an entire portion of the potentially conscripted soldiers that the Romanian Army is deprived of. So slowly but surely, Romania would have been raising this issue - either hoping to have to agreement cancelled, or arguing that it should be compensated for it - perhaps with German technology.

And there is of course the larger issue that Romania would not be a big fan of the SS as a whole - the disarming of Romanian troops and execution that is mentioned in your app would be known to some higher officials - it would have been one of the acts that led to Romania withdrawing its troops from helping the Germans in the occupied Eastern territories, compared with the general cooperation between the German and Romanian armies that was never very good.

That and of course, Romania still harbors Jews that have not been executed.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:59 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Germany wouldn't have troops in Romania but I can see German officers in Romania acting as advisors to the Romanian military, offering technical expertise. Also, about the SS, that would certainly be an interesting argument to have IC with different factions inside Germany pushing for either a more conciliatory policy or a more hard-line position against Romania on the issue.

Thank you, that is something to take into account. The military missions themselves could stay, particularly in terms of technical expertise, that would likely still be requested.

And yeah, the Romanian embassy in Berlin will raise the issue in my first IC post
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Postby Ovstylap » Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:14 pm

Looking forward to being a simultaneous thorn and boon to everyone who interacts with me.

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Postby HISPIDA » Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:29 pm

APPLICATION
NS Name: Hispida
RP Name: State of Japan
Flag: Link
Capital: Tokyo
Territory: Japan home islands
Population: ~95 million

Official Language(s): Japanese
Ethnic Breakdown: Japanese (98%), Chinese (0.9%), Other (1.1%)
Religious Breakdown: Shinto (69%), Buddhism (68%, occasionally practiced alongside Shinto), Christianity (1%), Other (6.2%)

Type of Government: Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy
Head of State: Emperor Hirohito
Head of Government: Prime Minister Inejirō Asanuma
Legislature (the name of your national legislature): National Diet
Legislative Houses (if your legislature is bicameral): House of Councilors (Upper, 245 Seats), House of Representatives (Lower, 465 seats)
Party in Power: Japan Socialist Party, Unified (JSP-u)
National Issues: Anti-American Advocates: Protestors and advocates from both the right and left continue to protest American dominance in Japan even though the occupation ended nearly a decade ago. The election of the JSP-u in 1958 combined with the Prime Minister's openly pro-Marxist and anti-American views has only intensified anti-Americanism in the country and led to a noticeable decline in Japanese-American relations.

Unstable Government: The Japan Socialist Party, Unified is the second largest political party in the country and the current party in government. This isn't a necessarily good thing, however. The relatively recent Liberal Democratic Party, a right-wing pro-American party, serves as an increasingly powerful opposition to the JSP. Far-right terrorists are also an ever-present threat in the country, with leftists mostly supportive of the JSP-u but still active on the streets, protesting against the LDP and occasionally ending up on the news after some assault or other.

Struggling Economy: While certainly on the uptick, the Japanese economy has continued to limp behind its pre-war numbers. Its GDP has recently hit a low point and the government maintains a trade deficit. If Japan is to move forward into the modern age, it must focus on its economy... or be washed away by the Chinese, Germans, and Americans.

Public Goals: Peace in Asia, supporting American victory in the Cold War, growing the economy, work against terrorism, rapprochement with Korea and China
Private Goals: International neutrality, distancing from America, containing Chinese influence in Asia, maintaining JSP-u influence against the LDP, aiding socialist revolutions abroad

GDP (nominal): 44.31 billion USD
Currency: Japanese yen (1 yen = 0.042 USD)
Economic System: Mixed market capitalism
Major Trade Partners: United States, Korea, China, Siam, United Kingdom
Alliance(s): U.S.-Japan Alliance

Military Branches (names of official Armed Forces Branches): Japan Self-Defense Forces (Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force, Japanese Air Self-Defense Force, Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force)

Active Duty: ~155,000
Reserve Duty: ~33,000
Total Manpower: ~118,000

Land Forces: ~115,000 personnel (JGSDF, 8 active duty divisions, 7 infantry, 1 armored)

Air Force: ~200 aircraft, ~15,000 personnel (JASDF)

Naval Forces: ~35 ships, ~25,000 personnel

Other Military Information: The JSDF cannot be used for offensive wars as stipulated by Article 9 of the Constitution of Japan.

History:

Post War and Occupation: The surrender of the Japanese Empire on September 2, 1945, was a turning point in the history of Japan. Japan was occupied by the three allied powers of Britain, China, and America, and it remained that way until the Treaty of San Francisco in 1952. Many in the country were uncertain what the future would hold, given that Japan had never been subjugated by a foreign power before. Many on the right viewed it as a betrayal and many on the left viewed it as naked American imperialism, setting the foundations for Japan's modern political sphere. Emperor Hirohito was reluctantly kept on the throne by the occupying Americans, even amid talk of abdication to one of his brothers after the war.

Japan began to rebuild economically with the help of the United States, although the United States was also busy with rebuilding efforts in the United Kingdom and other allied countries. Japan's economy finally began to recover by the mid 50's, with the economy in 1960 slowly beginning to increase.

Post-Occupation, Founding of the LDP, Rise of the JSP-u: The creation of Japan as a sovereign nation again in 1952 led to political upheaval in the country. The Liberal and Democratic parties, right-wing nationalist parties with a decidedly pro-American bias, had become two of the largest parties in the country --- no doubt benefitting from the split of the Japan Socialist Party in the 50's. The Liberal Democratic Party was created out of these two parties. With no other options, and dedicated to preventing another right-wing takeover in Japan, the JSP reunited into the Japan Socialist Party (United).

The Liberal Democratic Party and its predecessors dominated elections in 1950, 1952, 1953, and 1955. The JSP-u claimed its first electoral victory in 1958, riding on a surge of anti-fascist support and fears about China's intentions on Japan. The JSP-u's lead in 1960 still remains solid, but has begun to stagnate; the LDP and third parties eye the government greedily while domestic terrorists from the right and left wait for their moments to strike.

RP Example(s): Bulgaria in The Coldest War, Peru in Workers of the World, Unite!, Occupied Japan in the Coldest War (separate from Bulgaria)

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Postby Catalaonia » Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:04 pm

I'm still divided on whether I want to do a newspaper format or character-format. Hoping to get another post up by the end of week, mostly covering nationalism in the middle east.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:43 pm

APPLICATION
NS Name: Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
RP Name: Empire of Italy
Flag:
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Capital: Rome
Territory:
Metropole: Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Malta
Colonies: Suez Canal Zone, Libya, East Africa (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somaliland), Sudan
Satellite States: Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, Albania
Population: 52 million (metropole)

Official Language(s): Italian
Ethnic Breakdown: Italian (metropole)
Religious Breakdown: 96% Roman Catholic, 4% other (metropole)

Type of Government: Constitutional monarchy (de jure), fascist one-party totalitarian dictatorship (de facto)

Head of State: Secretary of the Fascist Party Dino Grandi

Head of Government: Minister of Foreign Affairs Umberto II, full name Umberto Nicola Tommaso Giovanni Maria di Savoia

Legislative Houses: Grand Council of Fascism (upper house), Chamber of Fasces and Corporations (lower house)
Party in Power: National Fascist Party (Partito Nazionale Fascista, or PNF)
National Issues:
Price of fascism - Poverty and suffering
Italy's corporatist economy is unsustainable in how it favours employers and capitalists over the working class. GDP per capita is lagging behind, even total GDP expands, due to the Fasces favouring profit and re-investment over worker compensation. This has impoverished many Italians, especially in the rural south, and has drawn many to the militant communists in the countryside. It seems that fascism is digging its own grave in its labour policies.

Price of fascism - Debt and credit
While legally obfuscated in order to prevent a panic, Italy has accrued enormous debts both foreign and domestic, with banks all over the world, including in Germany, Britain, and the United States. This was necessary to fund both the oversized navy and army while also dealing with the 1949 deflation spiral. Debt is still growing, however, and if the debt crisis cannot be solved, the fear is that Italy itself will go bankrupt, allowing foreign interests to take over her economy and virtually ending her position as the fourth Great Power.

Price of fascism - Cloak and dagger
Politics in Italy are not about votes or speeches, but about iron and blood. Power is measured in corporate alliances as well as in number of subordinate divisions and loyal local governors. While not outwardly murderous yet, Italian politics stand always on the verge of devolving into factionalism and perhaps even civil war. While all parties fear mutually assured destruction, this will be kept in check, but as soon as one faction starts gaining enough power to take on the others, the fragile balance of power will splinter.

Public Goals: Restructuring of the economy and improving Italian standard of living
Private Goals: Expanding power across the world in order to balance out German hegemony in Europe and prevent Italian bankrupcy.

GDP (nominal): 150 billion USD
Currency: Lira
Economic System: Corporatist capitalism
Major Trade Partners: German Reich, Vichy France, United Kingdom, Spain
Alliance(s): Italo-German Axis

Military Branches: Esercito Imperiale(Imperial Army), Marina Imperiale (Imperial Navy), Aeronautica Imperiale (Imperial Air Force)

Active Duty: 750,000
Reserve Duty: 1,500,000
Total Manpower: 2,000,000

Land Forces: The Esercito Imperiale contains 1,300,000 total soldiers and 1800 tanks, organized in 25 active and 40 reserve divisions (legions).

Air Force: The Aeronautica Imperiale operates 2100 aircraft: 600 bombers, 600 fighters, 500 interceptors, and 400 transport/auxiliary craft.

Naval Forces: The Marina Imperiale fields 11 aircraft carriers, 5 battleships, 10 heavy cruisers, 30 light cruisers, 180 destroyers, and 145 submarines.

Other Military Information:

Italy tested its first atomic bomb in 1954 in Libya. As of 1960, the military possesses a stockpile of 100 nuclear weapons.

History: While publicly Italy was victorious in the Second Great War, or the War of National Revival, privately it was known that this was largely a German effort. Italian naval losses in the Mediterranean to the Royal Navy had been blistering, and the African campaign was mainly a succes due German aid against the British and Free French forces. The failure of the US to intercede was what eventually saved the Italian war effort in Africa, which was not even strong enough to capture Algeria from the weakened French. While Mussolini celebrated with a Triumph through Rome for the conquest of Greece, Albania and Egypt, the members of the military realise that their victory was more luck than expertise. Especially the difficulties in capturing Greece lead to wide distrust with the fascist government.

In the years after the war, a kind of peace returns to Italy. Owing to corporatist control over the economy, and government backing of employers, there is labour peace in Italy. This combines with a growing economy, mostly due to the stripping of colonial resources in favour of the Italian economy. Expanded industrial capacity means less joblesness between 1943 and 1949, and a slight increase in per capita GDP. However, this era of economic growth is short-lived. While industrial output of the Italian peninsula increases, especially in the North, wages remain stagnant due to the nature of the corporations. After reconstruction is completed, consumer income does not rise to create enough demand to use up all that new industrial capacity, leading to overproduction. At the same time, as wages remain stagnant, profits of large industrial concerns grow, leading to more investment in industrial capacity. The result is overproduction, which leads in turn to a reduction in prices. This reduction in prices causes industrial capacity to remain idle, causing unemployment, which further decreases demand for goods. In the end this caused a deflation spiral towards 1950, when lowering prices led to further decreases in spending as prices were expected to drop even lower.

The government response to this was lacklustre. In order to prop up important businesses and prevent large layoffs, the state loaned large sums of money to faltering corporations. However, this only prevented bankrupcy in cases where it would otherwise have occured without changing the underlying economic problems. In fact, by keeping production artificially high, this did much to lengthen the crisis. Mussolini, who had been crowned imperator of the Empire of Italy after the abdication of king Victor Emanuel III, was unable to allow production to slow down, since in his eyes this would amount to a failure of his regime. When his inability to take decisive actions began to weigh heavier, Mussolini hinted that he would reinvigorate the nationalisation policies that had helped him in the 1930s, which spooked investors and led to a further decline in confidence.

In the spring of 1951, a series of banking shocks toppled a few banks faster than the government could respond, partially because of large Italian debts that made government credit nearly worthless. The resulting run on the banks evaporated large amounts of money overnight. This in turn led to the foreclosure of large parts of the economy that had been propped up by fascist investment. As it all came tumbling down, large parts of the workforce were without a job. These shocks also lead to disruptions in logistics, meaning that in many cities, long lines for basic necessities dominated the cityscape. In Milan, which had been a bastion of communists since before the war, this led to increasing protests. On the night of June 5th, tens of thousands took to the streets. Factory workers occupied their old factories and fired them up again, starting to produce for the residents of the city, while various bankers and industrialists were abused, and some even hanged.

Even when Milan seemed in open revolt, Mussolini's government was incapable of action. The Duce feared the use of the army against his own population, and kept up the pretense that the revolts were not against his regime, but rather against the 'perfidious Judeo-Bolshevik forces' from the Anglosphere that had infiltrated the economy and ruined 'good Italian money', further exemplifying his descent further and further into Nazi-inspired conspiracy theories. This response alienated the industrialists, who were keen to see action against communist agitators, and the military, who felt hamstrung by Mussolini. On the 12th of June 1951, was taken into 'medical custody' by order of the Grand Council of Fascism, which appointed aging field marshal Pietro Badoglio to the position of 'regent'. Badoglio immediately incarcerated Mussolini in his summer retreat and took control of the situation, sending in the army in order to crush the Milanese demonstrators. Fierce fighting followed, but after two weeks of combat the carabinieri succesfully raised the imperial standard over the Milanese town hall.

As regent, Badoglio was keen to end the situation of unrest that gripped the nation. Not a convicted fascist, he felt less scurples in letting go of fascist ideology in favour of capitalist pragmatism. He reshuffled the cabinet and had immediate plans made for the restructuring of the economy. His policies included pay increases and a slight increase in independence for the state-owned labour unions, although state influence still made sure that their demands for pay increases were in line with government policy. Badoglio forcefully nationalised a few key industries, including telecom, and also forced the various cartels to adopt government-approved prices to combat both deflation and inflation. Bankrupt factories and banks were taken over by the state for low prices, and their ecisting inventories were used to finance gradual reconstruction of the economy. By 1955, the economy had largely recovered, though the government had to reassure investors that it would be covering all of its debts in order to strengthen Italian credit. In 1955 as well, Benito Mussolini died, officially of poor health. In truth, he had been assassinated in order to prevent him from returning to Italian politics. The Grand Council of Fascism was expected to raise Badoglio to the emperorship, but the ageing marshal perished in early 1956 while on vacation in Greece.

For the first time in over twenty years, there was an opening for factionalism in Italy. Three broad factions emerged in the aftermath of the death of marshal Badoglio: first and foremost, the fascist hardliners, consisting of some army and navy officers, the blackshirts, and Mussolini loyalists, represented by Dino Grandi. Secondly, the pro-German national socialist clique, who were ideologically more aligned with Nazi-Germany. They favoured the large industrialists and were opposed to the corporatist structure of Italy, which they found too limiting. They also favoured military intervention in Turkey and Algeria in order to expand access to natural resources and using that to revitalise the economy. Furthermore, they were also antisemitic and believed in Nazi conspiracy theories about a Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. Represented by Roberto Farinacci, they sought to establish Italy as a de facto German puppet. And lastly, the 'liberal conservative moral opposition', who sought to return Italy to its pre-fascist days. While their parties are officially banned, their representatives still hold particular sway in society, especially since being represented by Umberto of Savoy, the former heir apparent. Although the prince had at first acceded to the throne moving to Mussolini, over the following years he had come to regret that, and formed the liberal opposition within the Italian state. Due to his popularity, he was figured to be untouchable.

Since it was feared that a vote in the Grand Chamber of Fascists would not lead to a desired result, the three groups instead formulated a compromise. Their three representatives would form a 'regency council', with the deceased Mussolini becoming the 'Caesar' of the Empire, retaining the imperial title after his death. This way, the position could be depoliticised, while giving the power to the Grand Council of Fascism and the regency council. This was agreed to, and for the past three years, this division has remained in place. As part of this compromise, the tax burden on Italian companies imposed in order to pay off the national debt was balanced out by relaxing labour and safety laws in the colonies in favour of cartel self-management, while at the same time increasing army presence in Libya, Sudan and Ethiopia. This made import of raw materials cheaper and balanced out the loss of profits due to higher taxes and higher worker compensation, although there is only so much efficiency to be gained there. In the end, the triumvirate is a temporary solution, while each of the three factions (and the communists outside of government) seek to expand their position in order to make a move on the others.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:44 pm

I was planning on writing a shorter history but in the end it became about an hour longer than strictly necessary. Hope this is agreeable!
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Postby HISPIDA » Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:03 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
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sorry to inform you, but italy was taken a few pages back.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:12 pm

Hispida wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
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sorry to inform you, but italy was taken a few pages back.


The Orson Empire wrote:I've decided to leave this RP. Lost interest in playing Italy.


This is no longer the case.
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Postby HISPIDA » Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:12 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Hispida wrote:sorry to inform you, but italy was taken a few pages back.


The Orson Empire wrote:I've decided to leave this RP. Lost interest in playing Italy.


This is no longer the case.

ah, my bad. the OP hasn't been updated.
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Postby Asturies-Llion » Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:29 pm

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NS Name: Asturies-Llion
RP Name: Union of South Africa
Territory: South Africa and Namibia

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Reservation noted, but you will have to work together with the British player for developing a common lore. :)

The idea is keeping a similar situation to OTL in South African matters till 1960, but with a more pro-German deviation as time passes. That is why I added Namibia to the equation, because South Africa controlled it in practice by then (it is more of a problem to claim it, SWANO will eventually appear, but it also more interesting RP-wise). The idea is to develop an even more problematic member of the Commonwealth because of the nazi victory in the European continent (rl members of the National Party were specially pro-Nazi during the war in OTL).
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