1618: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-OPEN]

[Khasinkonia]

Petition to make it a part of historical canon that Northumbria as a region doesn’t technically exist and is something else entirely, up to whoever ends up playing in the British isles. /s

I can just veto the Humber river/estuary out of existence so that Northumbria as a name can not feasibly exist.

Inconceivably based

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Reservation

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Bohemia
Territory: https://i.imgur.com/ZYNwL3L.png
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[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Bohemia
Territory: https://i.imgur.com/ZYNwL3L.png
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Reservation accepted

[Oscalantine]

Reservation

Nation Name: United Kingdom of Albion
Territory: British Isles,Colonial territories in along the coastlines of Virginia, South Carolina, New Hampshire, and Bermuda Island
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[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Reservation

Nation Name: Caliphate of Al-Andalus
Territory: Iberia minus Navarra, Balaeric Islands, Azores, most of South America, Caribbean, Mexico for colonies.
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[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: United Kingdom of Albion
Territory: British Isles (I know that I have colonies, but I haven't discussed with the OPs yet)
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accepted

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Caliphate of Al-Andalus
Territory: Iberia minus Navarra, Balaeric Islands, Azores, most of South America, Caribbean, Mexico for colonies.
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blursed
but accepted!

[Empire of Techkotal]

Reservation

Nation Name: Electorate of Saxony-Prussia
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/czS8JMK
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[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Electorate of Saxony-Prussia
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/czS8JMK
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accepted

[Tracian Empire]

The map and the list have been updated

[Draos]

Full Nation Name: Kingdom of Navarre
Majority/Official Culture: Basque
Territorial Core: https://imgur.com/JdiqJeW and a settlement on the island of New Navarre/,Nafarroa Berria (Curaco) called Arana
Territorial Claim: Greater Euskadi the Basque speaking portions of France and Andalusia
Capital City: Iruñea (Pamplona Spain)
Population: 450,500

Government Type: Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies:
Government Focus: The Navarrese crown is primarily interested in economic ventures, especially ones in the new world.
Head of State: King Danel I
Head of Government: King Danel I
Government Description: Navarre is a traditional feudal monarchy common in Europe at the time.

Majority/State Religion: Catholicism
Religious Description:

Economic Description: The Navarrese economy is largely reliant on the sea, with an emphasis on commercial whaling which they usually sell to the French and Spanish, and maritime trading with the Colony of Arana producing sugar
Major Production:
Whaling,Fishing. Sugar (Arana

Army Description : Having developed in a rather infertile mountainous region the Navarrese are adept in mountain and guerilla warfare, as well as being hale and hardy fighters.
Army Weakness : Due to the mountainous nature of their homeland the Navarrese military has next to no cavalry relying on their overlords to provide them
Naval Description : The Basque are excellent sailors using their maritime prowess their ships are second to none.
Naval Weakness : Due to the small population and territory the Navarrese can only muster about 25 warships on average
Further Military Description :

National Goals : Restoration of the traditional Basque country, Expansion of colonial settlements on New Navarre,
National Issues : Vassalage to the Andalusian Throne
National Figures of Interest :
National Ambition/Aspirations : Gain de jure independence from the Andalusian throne.
History : The Kingdom of Navarre was originally founded as the Kingdom of Pamplona in 824 in defiance of other powers in the area,by Enneko Arista after a battle with an invading army. In the centuries following numerous kingdoms attempted to subjugate the Navarrese, These endeavors were largely in vain due to the mountainous nature of the Basque homeland and the defiance of it’s proud people. Though they could not hold out forever and their resistance came to an end in the 13th Century, when the Andalusians invaded with a large force seized the southern territories and vassalized the Navarrese as a buffer state against the French. For the next next three centuries despite several popular uprising to kick out the islamic invaders the Navarrese fulfilled their obligations as vassals to retain what little independence they had left when an opportunity emerged,an explorer discovered a new previously unknown part of the world, Jumping on the chance the Navarrese king Isaak III of the house of Astarbe petitioned his liege for permission to set up a colony from which the Navarrese could trade and look for new whaling spots,This was granted on the condition of a portion of the taxes gathered. This deal resulted in the settlement of Arana on the Island the settlers named New Navarre (modern day Curaco), consisting of two hundred and fifty settlers which included 35 soldiers to protect the settlers from hostile natives and grew to a population of about 500.. With the Death of King Fredriko II in 1612 rose his 20 year old son King Danel who then made his way to the Anadalusian capital to swear his fealty to his liege.
RP Sample:

Palau Reial de Toledo, Toledo Hispania
January 1st 1812
Rey Daniel Sainz of Hispania had summoned his ministers to deal with the Malaya question. The Sultan of Johor his puppet ruler of the region had sent him a correspondence of increased skirmishes in the disputed border with the Empire of Joseon. Knowing that the Hispanics would be at a heavy disadvantage in a war a diplomatic approach would be the most effective was the sentiment expressed by some of them led by the Earl of Oporto César Vieira. However the sentiment was not unanimous as there was a sizable faction of nobles who wished to drive the Koreans out of the region and put it under Madrid's direct control led by the Duke of Leon Luis Miguel Morata. As the debate raged over the next week with both sides raising numerous points for their respective views.

The Rei stroked his beard as he listened the Hispanic position in southern Asia was a turbulent one their foothold in India was costly in terms of money and resources to keep local rulers in check. He knew they need a prestige boost in the area to solidify their standing and prevent the French and British from trying to chip away at their holdings. Though war with Korea to him didn't sound like the answer they were half a world away and Johor could be overrun well before Hispanic reinforcements could arrive. Understanding this he sighed and raised his hand as the Cortes around him went silent waiting for his words.

January 8th 1812
"Gentleman of the Tribune I have decided we shall make peace and assign a formal border between us and the Koreans, if the Sultan does not like it he knows the price he will pay with his territory being brought directly under my control and him spending the rest of his miserable life in a jail under the Palacio."
His words were met with mixed reactions around the room as many in the pro-war faction showed clear signs of anger from the decision of their king but knew not to make their voices heard in disagreement lest they end up removed from their prominent position as an advisor to the king. The Pro-Peace faction however were trying to hide their joy knowing that Hispania was unlikely to win this war and it would be more of a loss of prestige to lose Malaya, which could lead to other European powers attempting to chip away at it's holdings entirely than establish a formal border
The Rei spoke again "now that this is settled I shall send Francisco de Rosa to Hanseong to negotiate a time and place for the meeting, now if there is no other pressing business this Tribunal is dismissed" as he rose to stand a servant knocked on the door to inform him that a urgent letter from the Holy Roman Emperor had arrived he sighed and told them to bring it to his study

Daniel perused the letter thinking an attempt to mend the schism with the Greeks to fight the republics was a bold strategy but would it work? He personally wasn't so certain that the pope would even agree to the meeting much less to mend 800 years of hostility between east and west. Even if the pope did agree the Greeks most likely wouldn't care for the west or it's problems since they had their own problems. He pondered for an hour before writing his response he would reluctantly agree to sending a peaceful message to the pope but that is the strongest action Hispania would support.

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[Khasinkonia]

Reservation

Nation Name: Caliphate of Al-Andalus
Territory: Iberia minus Navarra, Balaeric Islands, Azores, most of South America, Caribbean, Mexico for colonies.
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Do you have any notion as to what Andaluso-Gaulish relations might be?

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name: Song Dynasty


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Looks alright to me, accepted

[Dogutrakya]

Reservation

Nation Name: Hindustan- ہندوستان - हिंदुस्तान (officially: Caliphate of the Empire of India - ہندوستان کی سلطنت)
Territory: India (remaining parts of India, including North Eastern states); Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Pakistan (including Balochistan), Jammu and Kashmir
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[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Hindustan- ہندوستان - हिंदुस्तान (officially: Caliphate of the Empire of India - ہندوستان کی سلطنت)
Territory: India (remaining parts of India, including North Eastern states); Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Pakistan (including Balochistan), Jammu and Kashmir
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Reservation accepted

[Arvenia]

Is it possible to either play as a unified Scandinavia or a pagan Russia?

[Tracian Empire]

Is it possible to either play as a unified Scandinavia or a pagan Russia?

A unified Scandinavia perhaps, though it would depend on the exact territories.

A pagan Russia maybe, depending on how you explain it, but in Russia particularly paganism would come with a lot of downsides (increased hostility from its neighbors, further isolation, weaker centralized power) that would likely need to be taken into account.

[Arvenia]

Is it possible to either play as a unified Scandinavia or a pagan Russia?

A unified Scandinavia perhaps, though it would depend on the exact territories.

A pagan Russia maybe, depending on how you explain it, but in Russia particularly paganism would come with a lot of downsides (increased hostility from its neighbors, further isolation, weaker centralized power) that would likely need to be taken into account.

Scandinavia would be comprised of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe Islands, Svalbard, Karelia, Murmansk Oblast, Leningrad Oblast, Estonia, Latvia, Nova Scotia, New Sweden and Schleswig-Holstein.

If that is a bit too much, then I can gladly choose Jin (which could be very interesting).

[Tracian Empire]

A unified Scandinavia perhaps, though it would depend on the exact territories.

A pagan Russia maybe, depending on how you explain it, but in Russia particularly paganism would come with a lot of downsides (increased hostility from its neighbors, further isolation, weaker centralized power) that would likely need to be taken into account.

Scandinavia would be comprised of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe Islands, Svalbard, Karelia, Murmansk Oblast, Leningrad Oblast, Estonia, Latvia, Nova Scotia, New Sweden and Schleswig-Holstein.

If that is a bit too much, then I can gladly choose Jin (which could be very interesting).

That is a bit too much, as a unified Scandinavia having to deal with internal issues (opposition of local nobles, all the fun stuff the Kalmar Union experienced) would be too limited to both colonize and to expand around the Baltic. So it’s either colonies or Baltic territory, and Murmansk is too much regardlsss.

Jin as in a northern Chinese dynasty? That would certainly be interesting

[Khasinkonia]

Out of curiosity, why does Albion have Calais when it's not in their claims?

[Tracian Empire]

Out of curiosity, why does Albion have Calais when it's not in their claims?

My mistake there, when I was discussing his claims with Oscal he told me that he was thinking about claiming it, and I was very certain that it had to be part of his claims.

I did initially give Calais to you, but your map claim omitted it and I assumed that it was on purpose.

I'll double check with Oscal and have him add it to his reservation if he wants to claim it, or remove it from the map if he does not.

[Khasinkonia]

Out of curiosity, why does Albion have Calais when it's not in their claims?

My mistake there, when I was discussing his claims with Oscal he told me that he was thinking about claiming it, and I was very certain that it had to be part of his claims.

I did initially give Calais to you, but your map claim omitted it and I assumed that it was on purpose.

I'll double check with Oscal and have him add it to his reservation if he wants to claim it, or remove it from the map if he does not.

My apologies; I made my map rather late at night. I would prefer Calais to either belong to me or to be a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

Granted, Albion and I should also discuss our shared history as soon as possible, as if they should need a Norman Duchy, I'd prefer to know while my history is still hazy.

[Tracian Empire]

My mistake there, when I was discussing his claims with Oscal he told me that he was thinking about claiming it, and I was very certain that it had to be part of his claims.

I did initially give Calais to you, but your map claim omitted it and I assumed that it was on purpose.

I'll double check with Oscal and have him add it to his reservation if he wants to claim it, or remove it from the map if he does not.

My apologies; I made my map rather late at night. I would prefer Calais to either belong to me or to be a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

If you wish to add it to your claim, then you can certainly edit your reservation and do so.

[Khasinkonia]

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of the Gauls (Bróirich Galáthé)
Territory: Gaul
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I'll keep it simple and move the borders to be closer to the irl 1618 ones. It's updated now. Sorry for all the fuss

[Tracian Empire]

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of the Gauls (Bróirich Galáthé)
Territory: Gaul
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I'll keep it simple and move the borders to be closer to the irl 1618 ones. It's updated now. Sorry for all the fuss

No problem