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Postby Scandinavia21 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:48 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Still working out the details, but this is a work in progress so others know what is going on under the hood!




Nation Name: The Britannic and Apostolic Empire
Culture(s): English culture is dominant, though aristocracy from both Scottish lowlander and highlander clans have their say in governance, and more and more Irish Catholics are elevated to positions of power, especially in the army.
Territory: What territory does your country control? I would prefer if people paint their claims on the map, but I will also be accepting simply stating which geographical regions you control.
Capital City: London
Population: 16.300.000

Government Type : Absolute monarchy
Head of State: His Imperial Britannic Majesty, James IV and IX, Emperor of Britain, King of England, France, Scotland, Ireland, Jerusalem, Defender of the Faith
Head of Government: James IV and IX
Government Description:
All of the British State is merely the continuation of the person of the sovereign, which has been James IV and IX for the last 12 years. Every since securing a male catholic heir, James II and VII and his Stuart successors have been expanding the royal prerogative. Under James III and VIII and later Charles III, the Crown has taken a literal reading of the emperor’s superior interest in all British property. Under the rules of these three Stuart emperors, various formal changes were made to the mostly informal (unwritten) English constitution. These laws combined are known as the Acts of Hierarchy, and form a sort of quasi-constitution to the British Empire (even though, as per the Act of 1712, the emperor exists above the law and is not bound by it).

In furtherance of the position of the British emperor as the holder of superior interest in all British property, and therefore the effectual owner of all British property, the entirety of Britain is in a technical sense the personal property of the emperor. Everything is held as a form of feudal loan from His Imperial and Britannic Majesty. In most every-day instances, this does not matter, as common law continues to function regardless of this theoretical fact. However, it does explain where the governing authority of the emperor comes from: not only given by God as the representative of Jesus on Earth, but also as the Roman owner of all property on the Isles.

The State is just another continuation of the personage of His Imperial and Britannic Majesty. Every civil servant is employed personally by the monarch, and as such, there is no division between the monarch and the government. The treasury is both the treasury of the monarch and of the state, and therefore all state functions eventually rely on the imperial treasurer, better known as the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Like all secretaries and civil servants, he is in the personal employ of the emperor and can be dismissed and appointed at will, and he is expected to be an appendage to His Majesty. While most secretaries belong to a political organisation (though the concept of ‘parties’ has largely fallen to the wayside), their membership to those organisations should be seen as ancillary to their personal employment. In theory, of course.

One of the last few vestiges of the old order is the House of Lords. While the House of Commons has been disbanded and replaced by the larger Parlement (more on them later), the House of Lords continues to exist, and they have the right to veto laws made by the monarch and to advise him on matters, as well as acting as the supreme court. However, that independent status is mostly a smokescreen, as the emperor still holds the power to appoint peers at will, so the House knows their opposition would be met with a counterstroke. What is more, since the emperor is not beholden to his own laws, there is nothing the House of Lords could legally undertake to stop the emperor from pushing through his own laws, or to have his secretaries act in a way as if those laws were there by decree. The House of Lords has therefore undertaken to mostly rubberstamp legislation if it is favoured by the monarch, though they still have lively debates if a piece of legislation is the brain child of one of his secretaries.

The Parlement (different from a parliament) is a body akin to the Estates General in France. It is the spiritual successor of the House of Commons; a body of representatives of all people in Britain (or one of its kingdoms), which can be called by the emperor. Legally, this is not required. However, as a practical matter, when dealing with large increases in taxation or other decisions that may cause major upheaval, the emperor realises that approval from the Parlement can seriously aid the effectiveness of laws. The last Parlement was called in 1756, at the onset of the Seven Year’s War.

Majority/State Religion : England and Wales are majority protestant, while Scotland has an about equal division of protestants and Catholics. In Ireland, Catholics have a clear majority. Catholicism is the state religion and the personal religion of the emperor, by law.

Economic Description: Even though the politics have changed drastically, Britain remains the home of free market economics. The only difference being that the emperor takes a more active interest when issuing imperial monopolies to companies, and expects more income to flow back into his personal treasury. In doing so, however, the interests of the State and companies like the East India Company have come to align more and more.

Britain, however, is still a nation of shopkeepers. Most economic power is held by majority protestant shareholders and board members of large companies and banks. The interests of the crown here are served by the Bank of England, the Bank of Scotland and the Bank of Ireland, with largely Catholic board members. There is a constant struggle here, however, between the political loyalties of the bank and the economic interests of the country. The investment portfolio of the banks reflect the power and influence of the emperor, in this sense. Strong emperors can keep the banks in line, while weaker emperors have problems containing the banking world, therefore losing power in the economical sphere to the rivals of the central banks.

Imperial power, then, is also exuded through the British colonies overseas, and the import of goods over which the crown holds ultimate control. The import of goods is a money-making venture for the crown, and through it, it controls the internal British markets in combination with banking policy. However, this means that the interests of the people living in the colonies are entirely secondary to the politics back home. Various taxes levied, as well as import laws (including the 1698 Slave Trade act, which bans the import of enslaved people on foreign ships), has not made friends of the economic elite in North America, for instance, who grow more and more frustrated about being pawns in the domestic economic policy of a country they have never been to, without the emperor extending the same courtesy to their domestic markets.

Development: Pre-industrialised. By this time, no country is industrialised, as the industrial revolution is still a ways off. Britain, however, is on the cusp of industrialising.

Army Description: The British Army, once the little-loved little brother to the Royal Navy, has grown in reputation and strength over the century. The Stuarts never much cared for the navy, and thus invested more in the army, also as a means of maintaining control over the country. The British army is divided into a number of regiments, all with varying levels of control from the central government in London. Some regiments, known as imperial legions, are mostly paid for by the War Ministry in London. These are the most loyal regiments, often commanded by Catholic minor nobility. Chiefest among them being the Irish Imperial Guard, a regiment of Irish grenadiers which act both as the royal guard and as an elite infantry unit.

The other side of the coin consists of the personal regiments. Although the war ministry nominally appoints their commanders, their funding is for a large part regulated via the personal funds of a wealthy patron or a few wealthy patrons. This means that they are not dependent for the ministry for their upkeep, and this diminishes the influence of the ministry in the appointment of officers. However, the imperial army is dependent on them, since it cannot raise the funds to equip the necessary forces to defend the country on its own. Though the regiments are strategically placed as to minimise the chance of mutiny or rebellion, with these personal regiments often residing in the far-flung colonies or, counter-intuitively, in Ireland, where any move against the emperor would create the most vicious response.
Army Weakness: The army is heavily divided between loyalist Catholics and grumbling protestants, the latter of whom are seen as a real threat to royal authority. The army also depends on the Royal Navy for transport and supplies overseas, and since the Royal Navy is a hotbed for anti-royalist sentiment, this is a liability.
Naval Description: The Royal Navy is the largest navy in the world, and has an honoured and storied history as the first line of defence for the British isles; with the task both to defend the homeland and to secure its connection to its far-flung colonies. The Navy is managed on a day-to-day basis by the Naval Board, though its strategy and the promotions of its officers are managed by the admiralty and, by extension, the naval secretary. The Royal Navy remains the most prestigious branch of the British armed forces, and has kept the ‘Royal’ in its title, despite it now being an imperial institution.
Naval Weakness: “It is a good thing that ships cannot go on land, or they would have been knocking at Saint James’ by now”
The Royal Navy is a problem. It is the most vital defence Britain has against invasion by a foreign power, and it is the only force keeping Britain attached to its far-flung colonies, especially from incursion by the French and Spanish, or raids by pirates. It is also an arm both chronically underappreciated by the Stuarts, as well as a hotbed for anti-royalist sentiment. The Royal Navy has two types of officers: gentleman officers, hailing from the long-lived, noble and often wealthy families; and tarpaulins, who had climbed the ranks from regular sailors and had gotten their spot through experience and merit. Historically, the tarpaulins were republicans, while the gentlemen officers were royalists. Today, this is none too different, with the exception that the tarpaulins are not so much pro-Republican anymore, as they are anti-Stuart. Mainly hailing from protestant houses, these tarpaulins have nothing but ill will towards the emperors and their gentlemen colleagues, many of whom are Catholic. Mutiny is a constant threat, which is why the Stuarts have redeployed the concept of ‘Generals-at-sea’ instead of admirals, rather than risking tarpaulins gaining command of whole fleets. This has had a tremendously negative effect on the operational effectiveness of the Royal Navy, which, while still the largest navy in the world, lacks some of the professionalism that makes it a viable weapon (though this weakness has not yet been shown in combat).

National Goals: The expansion of territorial holdings overseas in order to secure the economic interest in Britain, to hamper French, Spanish and Portuguese expansion in those areas, to prevent the establishment of German colonies overseas and to secure British economic hegemony over the continent.
National Issues:
The Prince: emperor James IV and IX is a devout Catholic, ruling over a predominantly protestant nation with anti-Catholic sentiment. This extends to a general dislike of government throughout England, Wales, and parts of Scotland. The emperor’s autocratic mode of government is seen as an extension of this fact, and with the merchant class becoming increasingly wealthy, they are looking for more institutionalised ways besides bribery to achieve their long-term goals. The spirit of enlightenment has reached the shores of Britain.
The Wayward Son: The Thirteen Colonies have always been distant from London and left to their own devices, mostly out of practical necessity. The puritan colonists, however, most of them descendants of those who fled Britain during the period of personal rule and the anti-puritan purges that followed both the civil war and the aborted invasion by William of Orange, view the Catholic monarch and the Britannic empire with suspicion, and ever since the stalemate and failure of the Seven Years’ War, the tax increases levied for the protection of the economic interests of the monarch have driven a wedge between the colonists and Britain; a situation that is unlikely to remain peaceful for long.

History : On the 2nd of November 1688, the winds in the Straight of Dover once again shifted. Earlier, winds had made it impossible for Dutch forces massing at Hellevoetsluis to make the crossing towards England, but a shift in October granted them the possibility. Despite adverse weather event, the ships managed to find themselves in Torbay in early November. Then, the winds changed again. Before most of the assembled troops could be unloaded, the ships of admiral Dartmouth were upon the fleet. Despite outnumbering the English fleet 2:1, most of the Dutch ships were heavy transport ships, with the English fleet being made of large, dedicated warships, with more firepower than their Dutch counterparts. With the wind on his side, Dartmouth ripped through the Dutch fleet, sinking and scattering much of it. Prince William managed to escape the slaughter with about half of his army, but his coup attempt had been forever foiled. Captured documents and subsequent torture of conspirators revealed the names of those involved with the coup attempt, and what followed was a second slaughter. James II and VII had those connected to the conspiracy hunted down and executed in increasingly brutal ways. Henry Sydney was hung, drawn and quartered. The duke of Devonshire was burned alive. Charles Talbot, the duke of Shrewsbury, had his chest cut open and molten lead poured into his cavity. They were signs of the days to come.

The absolute brutality with which James II retaliated against the conspirators quickly evaporated most other conspiracy attempts. If even William of Orange with 40.000 troops could not displace the king, then all the would-be assassins in England could not do it. The fear of brutal execution and seizing of titles and lands were enough to ensure, at least for a while, that no second attempt at uprising was made. The shock of the Abortive Revolution was used to swap out officers, and place loyal Catholic brigades in strategic locations, as well as inside the city of London. Parliament was not disbanded, but those parliamentarians who had engaged in conspiratorial actions (or those who were accused of it) were dragged out of their homes in daylight. Some were publicly executed on the orders of specially-arranged royal tribunals, something that was definitely illegal but against which parliament was unable to act.

Everything in the experience of James II and VII, as well as his father and the death of his grandfather, had taught him to mistrust duplicitous representative bodies, and this mistrust would both inform his governing policy as well as the (Catholic) upbringing of his son and heir. At the same time, James held little hatred for protestants, and knew that there was no way to turn Britain majority catholic. The 1690 Act of Toleration ensured the position of the Church of England. This act poisoned the Anglican Church even more in the eyes of the Puritans, who saw it as a half-Popish institution anyway, but it did much to assuage the fears of some protestants. At least enough that, when in 1691 part of the English army mutinied and marched on London, it did not lead to the cascade effect they had hoped for. John Churchill openly disavowed the attempt, and with that the rebellion had no hope of succeeding. James II personally led his army into battle and handily crushed the revolt at the battle of Olney. This allowed James II the justification to further purge the army of dissenters, while importantly maintaining the religious toleration even in victory, thus calming the moderates in Parliament and cementing the loyal support of the Tories, who would remain in power until the dissolution of the House of Commons.

James II and VII died of a brain haemorrhage in 1701, leaving the throne to his thirteen year old son. His mother, Mary of Modena, acted as his queen-regent until he came of age. Mary has probably done more for the establishment of the empire than any other single person in British history. Her personal relation with the Pope and king Louis XIV of France, her devout Catholic faith and belief in absolutist monarchy, as well as her keen political mind, ensured that everything was ready in 1706, as king James III and VIII came of age. In 1705, the Imperial Acts were passed, creating a title above the royal crowns of England, Scotland and Ireland in the form of the ‘Britannic Empire’. This twist of phrase ensured that the Holy Roman Emperor would not object, as he would if James had crowned himself ‘emperor of Britain’. His Britannic Majesty was crowned on Christmas Day 1707 in the Saint Peter’s Basilica in Rome. Mary had sold this to Parliament as a purely pragmatic action, to allow the British monarch to exude the prestige that should belong to his throne. However, her own plans were far grander.

She did not give people time to get accustomed to the new flag, the new style and the new emblems. While she was no longer queen-regent, she held a lot of sway behind the scenes and was more powerful than James himself, running a shadow government behind his back. The 1712 Legislative Acts, which sought to clean up the legislative process, contained in its preamble the words ‘whereas the king and emperor are appointed by God as the Vicar of Christ’. This wording was hardly noticed by Parliament, but as the representative of God on Earth, logically, the emperor could not be bound by Earthly laws, as Earthly laws could not override the will of God.

Parliament objected, but there was little they could do. Following instructions left by Charles I himself, Mary prevented Britain from being dragged into any continental wars that would require a spending bill by Parliament. As such, she allowed Parliament no leverage over the emperor, allowing him to slowly start merging the personal and the political. The distinction between the state treasury and the imperial treasury were dissolved in early 1714, and further unions were being planned. However, quite unexpectedly, Mary of Modena died in 1718 due to complications following from breast cancer, leaving James III and VIII to take up the reigns.

James III and VIII was less careful than his mother. Rather hot-headed and prone to impulsivity, he was also indecisive and could change opinions on a dime. It did not help that he had largely been raised on a steady diet of Stuart propaganda. While his mother had intended for him to learn the truth eventually, Mary died after a short sickbed and never got the chance to entirely break that spell over her son. As such James III and VIII despised the fleet (while his father had maintained good relations, being a sailor himself) and loved the army. This lead him to join forces with the Swedish in the Great Northern War against Russia, though he did not commit many actual troops and mainly just harassed the fleet of Denmark-Norway. Because James did not condone attacking merchant shipping however, in an attempt to placate Whig business interest, the fleet could not pay for itself by raiding, and James had to ask Parliament for funds. This increased the debt of the State, which James tried to alleviate using the services of a certain James Blunt.

Seven years and one South Sea Company mishap later and Britain’s economy was teetering on the brink of collapse.

#AER

The Great Northern War didn't happen and Scandinavia united in 1545 plus King Gustav the 1st of Scandinavia views the British government with suspicion due to the emperor thinking he is above the law.
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Postby Nitrana » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:22 am

The Orson Empire wrote:Also, any European powers willing to send diplomats, military advisors, merchants, etc. to establish a relationship with Korea?

the confederation will be more than happy.
Taiwan is a country, Tiananmen protests DID happen, and the Chinese government is a dictatorship. Deal with it.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:05 am

The Orson Empire wrote:Also, any European powers willing to send diplomats, military advisors, merchants, etc. to establish a relationship with Korea?


The colonies are in no state to send diplomats or military advisors anywhere. But American merchants (read: smugglers) were historically quite important in the early China trade, partially because they were the only ones taking the Pacific route around Cape Horn. And unlike official European merchants, American traders are not bound by mercantilist policies or colonial ambitions (again: smugglers). So for both Ming and Korea, American merchants might be an important source for things that the European powers would be unwilling to sell.
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Postby Upper Upper Polyneisa » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:07 am

The Orson Empire wrote:Also, any European powers willing to send diplomats, military advisors, merchants, etc. to establish a relationship with Korea?


The Pope would be willing to send diplomats and such, but they would be very much on missionary work - so, if you do not want much christian proselytising in your nation, someone else might be a better shout.

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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:19 am

Yeah, dont think Korea would want a Christian revolt
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I could need some help with my application.
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Postby Upper Upper Polyneisa » Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:46 am

Arvenia wrote:I could need some help with my application.


What would you need help with?

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Postby Arvenia » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:03 am

Upper Upper Polyneisa wrote:
Arvenia wrote:I could need some help with my application.


What would you need help with?

I'm playing Egypt and I want to know how Egypt would move on from the POD, given that Egypt came under Ottoman rule in the 16th century (in OTL). In this RP, Egypt is still independent and big, as well as much closer to European countries.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:02 am

Arvenia wrote:
Upper Upper Polyneisa wrote:
What would you need help with?

I'm playing Egypt and I want to know how Egypt would move on from the POD, given that Egypt came under Ottoman rule in the 16th century (in OTL). In this RP, Egypt is still independent and big, as well as much closer to European countries.


The issue of size and independence is easier: Egypt wins the Ottoman-Mamluk War of 1516-17. Military conflicts are easy hinge points: if a general dies in the midst of a battle, or an unexpected plague strikes a camp, that can change the outcome of the whole conflict. The Britain app contains a great example of this with regard to the Glorious Revolution - because of a change of wind, William of Orange never became king.

Closeness to Europe is much harder to explain, considering the great reluctance of most of Europe to align with a Muslim country at any time between the 14th and the 18th centuries. You may wish to reconsider how essential this is for your concept. Potentially, a more interesting possibility would be for Egyptian elites - influenced by the Enlightenment - to be attempting to bring their country closer to Europe now; Westernization, in other words, happens in the IC and not in your history.
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:11 am

And out of the Enlightenment reaching Egypt, we could get some Egyptian philosophers and satirists like Voltaire making tours of Europe and commenting about the Western Christian world. If the printing press is adopted in Egypt, we could see a Reformation in the Islamic faith when the local printing press translates the holy scripture in their native languages
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:38 am

Union Princes wrote:Yeah, dont think Korea would want a Christian revolt

I was actually considering having a Korean king convert to Christianity.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:40 am

Nitrana wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Also, any European powers willing to send diplomats, military advisors, merchants, etc. to establish a relationship with Korea?

the confederation will be more than happy.

Sounds great!
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The Orson Empire wrote:Also, any European powers willing to send diplomats, military advisors, merchants, etc. to establish a relationship with Korea?


The colonies are in no state to send diplomats or military advisors anywhere. But American merchants (read: smugglers) were historically quite important in the early China trade, partially because they were the only ones taking the Pacific route around Cape Horn. And unlike official European merchants, American traders are not bound by mercantilist policies or colonial ambitions (again: smugglers). So for both Ming and Korea, American merchants might be an important source for things that the European powers would be unwilling to sell.

What goods in particular could the Americas provide?

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Postby Reverend Norv » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:04 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Nitrana wrote:the confederation will be more than happy.

Sounds great!
Reverend Norv wrote:
The colonies are in no state to send diplomats or military advisors anywhere. But American merchants (read: smugglers) were historically quite important in the early China trade, partially because they were the only ones taking the Pacific route around Cape Horn. And unlike official European merchants, American traders are not bound by mercantilist policies or colonial ambitions (again: smugglers). So for both Ming and Korea, American merchants might be an important source for things that the European powers would be unwilling to sell.

What goods in particular could the Americas provide?


I was thinking technology. One standard mechanism of European control was to provide manufactured goods, but not the equipment used to manufacture them. That way, countries like China remained reliant on European imports, never caught up to European technological advancements, and were forced to pay whatever the Europeans demanded. American smugglers don't share this imperial agenda, and so would be willing to sell technologies that European empires would rather hoard to themselves: atmospherics engines, spinning frames, horizontal drilling machines, etc.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby Upper Upper Polyneisa » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:07 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Union Princes wrote:Yeah, dont think Korea would want a Christian revolt

I was actually considering having a Korean king convert to Christianity.


Well, I could certainly give you a hand with that! The Pope will gladly accept any new converts.

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Top: Flag of the Confederation as a German colony

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Bottom: the liberal republican flag of Germany, popular among Bauers

KONFÖDERATION VON SÜDAFRIKA



Nation Name: Confederation of South Africa, de: Konföderation von Südafrika
Culture(s):
    The South Africans refer to themselves as Bauers (de: farmers), being descendants of the original farming communities that grew from the Dutch East India Company's outpost in Cape Town. Bauers are predominantly of Germanic origin, as such, Germanic culture prevails in South Africa. The lingua franca of South Africa is Dutch, although High (Standard) German has became the main language of administration. The amalgamation of Dutch, Low German (Plattdüütsch), and High German has created Afrikaans, an unique dialect on its way to become a separate language. Similar to the language a growing number of South Africans referred to themselves as Afrikaners, and there is a growing sense of identity that they belong to a separate, Afrikaner, nation.

    Bauers predominantly originated from various parts of Germany, with most of them being from the Netherlands, Westphalia, the Hanseatic cities, and Brandenburg; and an almost equal amount of settlers from the Rhineland, Saxony, and Bavaria. Bauers of Scandinavian origin are also present, as are those from Austria, Hungary, and the Slavic Danubian lands. Settlers from Great Britain are rare, mostly because they moved into America instead. Also present are a large Huguenot French community.

    Black South Africans, commonly referred as Bantus, form a significant part of the South African population - but they are not considered citizens. Years of conflict and warfare between themselves and against the white settlers has left the Black South Africans divided under dozens of small polities, each nominally independent. These "reservations" are settled by them and they have the right to set their own laws independent of the South African legal system, but they are ultimately subject to rule from Cape Town.

    As the Netherlands was conquered by Germany, South African city-states became a bastion of Dutch culture to thrive in outside of Europe. Dutch legal system is applied in South African cities, and the Dutch language remains predominant in Kapstadt and Neu Bremen - even if the surrounding regions has taken Low German as a common language. Neu Bremen even constructed canals and modelled their city design after Amsterdam. Another common heritage that all South Africans share, and even has been taken by the native population, is the braai tradition. Braai is a method of cooking meat similar to barbecue, but it is most commonly associated with gatherings. From town hall meetings to elections and openings of Bundestag a braai is prepared. This feasting tradition has grown to be a method for clling assemblies and gatherings, and a way to hold consensus decisions by rural communities.
Territory: Confederation Territory: South Africa and southern Mozambique, Namibia, Zimbabwe Highlands, Zanzibar and surrounding islands, Reunion and Comoros, Mauritius
Capital City: There is no single designated capital of the Confederation, because in theory the major settlements act analogous to the Hanseatic League of the past. Major cities are Kapstadt (Cape Town), Die Baai (Port Elizabeth), Neu Bremen (Durban), and Delagoa (Maputo). Kapstadt hosted the Bundestag most often, is the seat of the German commission, and is often considered a primus inter pares of all South African major cities.
Population: c. 900,000 whites

Government Type: Confederation of four city-states under German colonial rule. Each city-state ruled over dozens of smaller towns and hundreds of small villages. Each city-state sends representatives to the Bundestag (Federal Parliament), which held authority over the Confederation.
Head of State and Government: Herr Cornelis Jacob van de Graaff, President of the Bundestag, from Die Baai;
Government Description:
    South Africa is formally a confederation of four city-states that composed the republic's formal government. The four city states, by order of precedence, are Kapstadt, Delagoa, Neu Bremen, and Die Baai. Each town is governed by a council of elected citizens known as Ältermänner (aldermen). These aldermen draft and debate laws that apply to each city-state's designated territory, covering all matters of government. A mayor is elected by popular vote of all citizens within the city-state. He holds executive power and the ability to pass and veto laws, but in practice, this resulted in a weak mayor-council government. Functionally as South Africa is not as large as other European settler colonies, South Africa's subdivisions are called city-states, but they act as proper countries within the confederation. That means villages and towns within a city-state's territory organized their own local government while simultaneously voting for the aldermen and mayor of their city-state (which could be likened to a parliament and governor, respectively). This type of government and republican tradition originated from the German cities of the Hanseatic League, more than a hundred years ago.

    Each city-state sends Ratssendeboten (representatives, lit. "council messengers") to sit on the federal Bundestag, which makes decisions that apply to the Confederation as a whole. This includes the Navy, organization of Asian colonies, relations with the Bantus (native Africans), and expansion of the Confederation itself. Each member state's representation is proportional to their population. The federal government organized territories, known as Gau (region, as opposed to Länder for the city-states), to organize white settlers in South African rural land beyond city-state authority. All territories north of the Great Escarpment and Drakensberg, except for those along the Limpopo river, are Gaus. Each Bundesgau (federal territory) that has sufficient population and a major population center can organize themselves into a new city-state, though no Gau has done this since the Confederation started. Gaus are allowed to send representatives to the Bundestag, though they do not have the ability to vote laws. The federal government is headed by the Bundespräsident, which exercises executive power. He is voted through an electoral college by citizens of all city-states and the Bundesgaus, with each proportioned based on population.

    South Africa owns few island possessions on the African coast. These are the remnants of the Dutch colonial empire that pledged their allegiance to the Dutch government in South Africa when the Netherlands was in war. As such, they are ruled directly by the federal government. The colonial enterprises are very open and accomodating to businesses; since they are not part of the German East India Company, they are not bound by Company rules and is organized according to tow laws made by the Bundestag.
Majority/State Religion: South Africa is one of the few places in the world to implement religious freedom. While Germany stood by the Peace of Westphalia - which tolerates difference of faith in each noble's lands, South African city-states have no official religion. From its inhabitants to its administrators are a diverse bunch of people, mostly Protestants with a significant Catholic minority. The Reformed branch of Protestantism has most adherents in South Africa, followed by Lutheranism and Catholicism. There are a significant community of Jews and a small, but sizeable Muslim population - mainly descended from Malays who were brought as servants, and Arab merchants.

Economic Description:
    THE GREAT FRONTIER
    South Africa's population are concentrated on the coast, and along the Great Escarpment (including Drakensberg) mountains, as well as the lowland plains of the Limpopo river. A significant amount of Bauers has made their way into the Highveld plains, and an increasing number of settlers are arriving in the region every month. Compared to its metropolis in Europe, South Africa is vast, overwhelmingly rural, and wild. An average peasant in South Africa can claim nearly as much land as his overlord back in Germany. The climate is temperate and mild, with an abundance of grasslands and plains. This made South Africa the perfect spot for cattle ranching and farming - large swaths of lands are dedicated for raising of livestock. These largely followed a course from the Orange river delta, through the Cape Fold hills before the Great Escarpment, all the way into Natal and Limpopo - to avoid the arid desert Karoo regions that virtually has no-one living in it. These areas are also good for farming and agriculture; the majority of settlers that moved into this area comes from the Rheinland and Palatinate regions of Germany, and they brought a thriving viticulture and farming tradition with them. South Africa produces over a third the amount of wines produced in France. South African fruit production includes all kinds of citrus and apples, of which they are currently one of the biggest exporters.

    Central through the Great Escarpment and Cape Fold, and east through Natal is cattle country. Sheep and cow are the most common cattle to raise; South Africa possessed a large wool and leather industry. The abundance of grazing land has attracted numerous European settlers to bulid ranches in the area. Staple crops are wheat, corn, and potatoes, which are grown in the Cape region and in the Highveld. The abundance of farming land meant that only a portion of these are consumed domestically; flour are mostly for export, as are large portions of the cornmeal and potato production. Sugar is grown throughout the Natal region, also almost entirely for export. Further north of the Limpopo river and Drakensberg mouuntains is the Lowveld; an expanse of bushland and savanna that divides major South African population centers from the Eastern Highlands of Zimbabwe. In this region are an abundance of games; lions, giraffes, rhinoceros, elephants, leopards, crocodiles and cheetahs, among them. Delagoa and Neu Bremen, the two city-states nearest to this region, permitted hunters to settle and forage the Lowveld for exotic goods. South Africa exports animal skins, ivories, and rhino horns in large quantities. The Eastern Highlands of Zimbabwe are recently settled, and conflict still exists between Europeans and native Africans in the area over land. Coffee is grown extensively in this area. It is also grown across the Lebombo and Drakensberg mountains further south. Near and around Delagoa, rice is the primary crop, grown in the fertile Limpopo lowlands.

    TRADE AND INDUSTRY
    Other sections of the economy are the pre-industrialized workshops and docks which create processed products. In Kapstad and its surrounding towns, the nutrient-rich cold waters of Benguela current has allowed the rise of a major fishing economy. Catches are mainly sardines and anchovies; these are dried and salted for local consumption, but mainly for exports. South Africa has limited old-growth forests, but still enough to support a large navy and merchant marine. Yellowwood are found throughout South African mountains and are commonly used for shipbuilding, Kwila trees from Natal to the Mozambique coast also served this purpose. Cedars were introduced in the early 17th century by European colonists, and now grew over swathes of Kapstad's interior (Western and Eastern Cape). While South Africa posssessed very large deposits of iron ore, they are currently unable to mass-produce pig iron in very large quantities, due to their timber resources being not as large as other settler colonies.

    South Africa's cities are entrepots of trade; they are the nexus of which South African products, including precious metals and exotic goods, are sold to the global market. Ships from Asia, Europe, and America dock and trade before continuing to the other side of the world. A third of their revenue comes from trade, and a portion of that trade is made entirely by docking and supply tarriffs. As South Africa is a German colony, East India ships regularly stop and trade before making the journey to Europe. In addition, South Africa also sends its primary exports - wheat, wine, and wool to Europe - it is quick becoming one of the leading producers of all three in the world.
Development: Pre-industrialized
    South Africa, being a settler colony, remains mostly undeveloped and wild. Its interior are sparse and empty, with colonial boundaries effectively nonexistent; this has led to problems both for the authorities and the natives, as European settlers ventured further inland in search of suitable land and water. Most of the population resides along the southern coast, southerly before the Great Escarpment and east of the Drakensberg. While there are no major rivers connecting these areas, settlements are located closely enough to allow regular tracks for wagons to be established. In the vicinity of each city-state roads exists and are maintained, but it ets more rudimentary the further one goes from the city-state. Towns and villages dot the South African coast, not unlike the situation in Northern Germany through the Baltic Sea. This ensures the main method of transportation preferred is maritime.

    Surrounding Delagoa and the lower Limpopo are numerous farming towns, and here transportation inland has a greater degree of development. The Limpopo is navigable, up into the Lowveld savanna plateau further north; farming and trading towns are common near the delta, but are progressively scarce upriver. Europeans have settled into the Highveld, Lesotho Highlands and the Eastern Highlands of Zimbabwe; but roads are scarce, mostly nonexistent, and most of them established ranches. The only major road into the Highveld is through Van Reenen's pass towards Pietermaritzburg and south into Neu Bremen, benefiting the city-state by being the market of all Highveld exports. South African city-states are, in contrast, very developed according to European standards. They possessed factories, docks, city walls, and even citadels. Cities are laid out according to a grid plan centered on the largest harbor. The federal government has been investing into linking all four city-states by land and improving the road networks surrounding them.
Army Description:
    Unlike its home country, South Africa has a lack of martial tradition. There is no single Confederation army; each city-state possess their own militaries, which acts more like a police force than a proper army. The few battalions that are employed by South Africa's city-states are akin to the chasseurs of an European military; small, lightly-equipped, very fast and maneuverable, excellent in marksmanship and guerilla warfare. These regiments of light infantry originated from colonial scouts that early settlers formed to fend off native tribes in the area. They are trained to fight in mountainous areas, open fields, and even deserts - camels were imported from Yemen and are bred in the outposts on the edge of Kapstadt's Great Karoo.

    The term Jäger describes all kinds of occupations in South Africa, from cowboys to farmers and hunters, but it is most particularly known as a military unit - the word has a similar meaning to "ranger" in English. South Africa's jäger corps used long rifles, rather than the traditional muskets used by line infantry, because they have greater range, more accurate, and are suitable for hunting. Large towns formed its own jäger regiments, and while technically under the control of the city-state that said town originated from, these regiments operate independently. They provide protection to the town and settlements nearby. While jägers are professional soldiers, they are few. In case of wars or major conflicts against native Africans, citizens formed a militia to defend their settlements - with the jägers training them. These regiments of professional light infantry are very efficient against native tribes, and they regularly hunt wild animals to secure their towns' cattle and farmns. Jäger companies venture as far as the Lowveld in upper Limpopo, hunting lions, zebras, elephants and girrafes to be sold.

    Jägers are also commonly mounted; and when they do, they form dragoon regiments of mounted light cavalry. South African dragoons wear less armor and are more mobile than their European counterparts, and they wear slouch hats instead of bicornes common in European militaries. These dragoons are a rapid and highly maneuverable fighting force, capable to ride across swathes of South African countryside in a quick time. Dragoons, similar to jägers , are under the command of towns that fielded them. Some of these towns regularly send Dragoons on exploration expeditions, as well as envoys to native African tribes.
Army Weakness: The South African army strength is also its greatest weakness; it is not a proper army. The military are scattered and diverse, and there lacks a central command system most of the time. While their political loyalty lies to their communities and city-states, they have only been used in wars against native Africans, and has never faced a real European army in battle. They are well-suited to guerilla warfare, but this is also a major weakness compared to most European militaries: South African troops are lightly-equipped, relying on a small backbone of professional soldiers - who might as well been hunters - that also double as mounted infantry.

Naval Description: South Africa's navy is its most excellent branch of military. While not yet a formal navy, that being reserved for the German Imperial navy instead, South African city-states employ large numbers of privateers and established their own force of ships of the line, ostensibly - and mainly true - to combat piracy in African coasts. Even larger is the fleet of South African merchant marines, who conducted trade from the colonies to America, Europe, and further east to China. Together combined, these vessels equals in number to the entirety of, or even perhaps more than the German navy. South African merchant marine vessels are primarily composed of brigantines and schooners; larger ships, used to conduct trade towards China or the Americas are the equal to frigates. Patrol ships of the city-states equal to the fourth and third-rates; of all the city-states, Delagoa and Neu Bremen owns these the most, due to their proximity to Madagascar and the Swahili Coast. Most notably, South African sailors are not exclusively European. In the merchant marine Arabs and Indians served as crew, and even freedmen as well as native Africans. While these sailors are not afforded equal pay as their European counterparts, they are commonly treated better than they were in contemporary European ships, making South Africa one of the more progressive societies in this aspect.

Naval Weakness: The Confederation only controls a handful of ships, that being the frigates they used to patrol African coasts. However this is even not under the Confederation's direct control - technically, they belong to the respective city-states that hosted and bulit them, and they can be withdrawn from federal service at any time. South Africa's merchant marine are private ships; their owners are the merchants, corporations, and bankers that resided in all four city-states. Their first and foremost goal is to secure profit for their owners; the Confederation has tried, once before, to call these oprivate owners to aid the federal cause during a confrontation with local sultanates in East Africa, and most of them refused. This has set a dangerous precedent to the integrity of South Africa's maritime forces - not that there was a navy to speak of in the first place, but it still relied heavily on the support of these merchants. In addition, South Africa also employs some foreign privateers, of which loyalty is dubious, and could easily turn on them whenever the privateers thought opportune.

National Goals: South Africa is keen to maintain its autonomy, and seeks to expand more of its liberties - in part aided by the thoughts and efforts of liberal German authors that fled into this vast escape. As a bastion of Dutch culture after its annexation into Germany, it seeks to maintain this heritage; the majority of its merchants wanted greater freedom of commerce in Asia, as they have enjoyed before during Dutch rule, and some on the fringe even espoused the dream that they would wrestle control of the bountiful East Indies from German mercantile authority. The leaders, however, are not in the favour of offending Germany yet; a little push, however, would be all it needs to start the notin of demanding more rights from the capital.

National Issues:
    MANIFEST DESTINY - South Africa is extremely vast and sparse; its land borders vague and undefined. Land and opportunity attracts more and more Europeans by the day, and these pioneers ventured even deeper to the African interior. The Confederation is having a hard time to keep track of these settlers and their interactions. They are constantly encroaching on native lands and building villages ithout notifying the authoritie s of city-states from whence they came. Under the common belief that Europeans are destined to settle and work these territories as divine providence. The government's goal is to address this problem and organize settlers at the Confederation's fringe lands.

    SERVANTS OF THE EMPIRE - There are people who resist German Imperial colonial rule, both those who have already been here before the Dutch annexation, and those who disagreed with the autocratic nature of empires. They took pride in these colonies' republican system of government. They condemn what according to them is the heretical concept of "divine right of Kings", and they bulit utopias - shining cities on the hill - far into the frontier, faithful implementations of freedom. There are loyalists to the Princes of Orange and to the Republican Netherlands that they once called home, and they lament the downfall of what once was the richest country in the world - they long for the return of Dutch territories under their control. Alternatively there are capitalists; those who resented that trade in the east is governed by the German East India Company. Naturally, their objective is the accumulation of wealth. Anti-Imperial sentiment is growing every day, and there is no chance of it stopping soon. If nothing is done about this, federal authorities could soon find themselves forced by an angry population to sever their ties with the metropolis.

History: The first settlement in South Africa began in 1652 where a group of ninety Dutch farmers, led by Jan van Riebeeck, arrived in the Cape of Good Hope in hopes of establishing a new permanent settlement. They constructed a village, of which name is lost to history, and a pier where their five ships - Reijer, Oliphant, Goede Hoop, Walvisch, and Dromedaris can moor. These vessels would later lend their names to towns surrounding Cape Town, centres of trade and government. The settlement was a success; the Dutch colonists established farms and wells, and next year, hundreds more started to immigrate into the new land. Intermarriage between native Khoisan and the Dutch were common at this era. Their descendants would later form a new ethnic group called the Griqua, Eusopean Bushman, that are less loyal to German colonial rule and settled the Karoo interior.

Three years after Kaapstad (Cape Town) was founded in 1652, Riebeeck founded a new settlement at the opposite side of South Africa, in an inlet suitable for harbor. It is a landing place with fresh water, which is sufficient for the Dutch to establish an outpost, unimaginatively named Die Baai ("the Bay", Port Elizabeth). The Dutch East India Company soon took control of these settlements. They tried to prevent further immigration into the African towns, reserving land for the use of Company officials, but settlers in both towns, now numbering in their thousands, threatened to mutiny unless they are granted charters to establish a government. The company relented, and the first settler colonial government in South Africa was founded in 6th of April, 1660 - the date Riebeeck founded Cape Town eight years ago. It is still celebrated as Founder's Day, the most important holiday in South Africa. The colonial charter was approved by the Dutch States General the same year. Mass migration to South Africa ensued, as Cape Town was the most important stop between Europe and Asia at that time; in addition to being merchants, settlers also brought animals and plants from Europe to farm. Sheep, goats, and cows are introduced to South Africa a year after the colony was chartered; wild populations of sheep are present roaming the land to this day. Some settlers preferred the nomadic lifestyle, introducing horses into the area. They herded cattle throughout the Cape region and intermarried with Khoekhoe women. Orchards of grape and citrus were introduced; the first winery in South Africa was established in 1665. South Africa also receives a huge influx of settlers from other parts of Europe, primarily Protestants fleeing persecution.

Settlement, however, was not exclusive to Protestants. A Catholic, Willem Janszoon Krul, who was the son of renowned painter Jan Harmeszoon Krul, petitioned the States General to transform a small outpost near the Strait of Mozambique into a colony. Willem Krul was a wealthy merchant out of Limburg, but he found it difficult to establish trading houses in Kaapstad and Die Baai because of the Protestant settlers' dislike of Catholics. Many Catholic enterpreneurs also shared this grievance, particularly those who had been forced to move from the Protestant towns of South Africa. He was granted a charter, and soon set out in 1667 to establish the new colony of Delagoa, after the Portuguese name of the Maputo Bay. It was the first place in South Africa to implement religious freedom. Krul had intended for Protestants and Catholics to coexist in Delagoa, however, the vast majority of settlers coming into the colony were Limburgese, which are predominantly Catholic. The last of South Africa's four city-states to be founded is Oranje (Durban), a personal venture of Stadtholder William II. In particular many German merchants from the Hanseatic League settled this area, at Willem's invitation. Oranje became the first city-state to establish its own settlement (city) with the defeat of a Mtetwa army in the Battle of Blood River. Fort Willem, a Dutch fortification, was erected at the battle site in the aftermath. The fort attracted many farmers who established a town, and it was chartered as Willemsburg (irl: Pietermaritzburg) in 1675.

Over time, these four colonies experienced increased immigration and population growth. Oranje started allowing German Protestants to settle in 1675, with the founding of Willemsburg. These predominantly came from Northern Germany, where the Low German language forms a continuum with Frisian, and there are many Calvinists in the Lutheran majority. This allows for greater integration of German settlers within Dutch culture. Delagoa, in contrast, invited German Catholics to settle, mostly from the Palatinate region. Germans formed their own communities, creating a mosaic of German and Dutch villages around Delagoa Bay, however a Catholic plurality. Generally English merchants are banned, because of England's competition with the Dutch Republic in trade, thus English settlers are almost nonexistent. Migration from the Nordic countries also existed, with a sizeable number of Danish and Swedish settlers coming into Kaapstad and Die Baai. The colonial government made efforts to integrate these other Europeans with the Dutch. Bibles are published in Dutch only, schools are also in Dutch, and while men and women are encouraged to be literate, Dutch text provided the most material. The first Dutch-speaking Lutheran church was established in Oranje in 1680. Over time this policy was relaxed so that Low German (Plattduutsch) texts can be freely published. French immigrants, mostly Huguenots, formed the second-largest ethnic group after Germanic-speaking settlers.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

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Nation Name: The French colonies in North America are officially known as New France when discussed as a collective, but individually, they are known as Canada, Baie d’Hudson, Acadie, Plaisance, Pays des Illinois (Formally known as Haute-Louisiane), and Louisiane (Formally known as Basse-Louisiane), with two larger entities emerging: Canada and Louisiana. Among the colonists, several collective names are well-attested to, but the most frequently used term with positive, fraternal connotations is the name “Les Fleuves-Frères,” a name which translates directly as “The Brother-Rivers,” referencing the Mississippi and St-Laurent rivers, which hold most of the major settlements of New France along their banks.

Culture(s):
While somewhat more culturally homogenous than other colonies of similar size, the people of New France still can be divided into a number of groups, though these groups do not necessarily follow the strict caste system of the Iberian colonies, nor does it strongly resemble the race system of the English colonies.

Most politically important among these groups are the first-generation European settlers. Though backgrounds have historically varied greatly, these settlers generally hail from the French peasantry, especially in areas on the periphery of France, such as Normandy, Brittany, and the borderlands with the Germans, among others. A minority of first-generation European settlers come from higher classes, and generally serve in administrative positions or only become permanent inhabitants due to chance, rather than intent of settling, unlike their lower-class counterparts.

The second group, which composes a majority of the free population, is the descendants of settlers, collectively referred to in Louisiane as “Creoles.” In Canada, there is not any widely used term, but Creole has seen usage in some circles to refer to the same group. Among the Creoles, there are several subgroups, including Creoles of full European descent, Creoles of mixed ancestry, and the Métis, which refers to those of partial aboriginal descent. While Creoles of full European descent can be found throughout all of the colonies, the Creoles of mixed ancestry, some of whom are referred to as gens de couleur libres, are mostly found in Basse-Louisiane, descended from freed or escaped slaves, while Métis can be found most in Illinois, Canada, and Baie d’Hudson.

While a majority of European settlers and Creoles of partial or full European descent take their European descent from French settlers, there also exist populations, particularly near ports, hailing from other parts of Europe, such as those of Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish descent in New Orléans, Germans to the north of New Orléans, and English and Irish in Plaisance.

While almost all major permanent European settlements are along the shores of the great rivers and the shores of the Atlantic, there are also significant aboriginal populations within the claimed borders of New France. Though they have little direct political influence, they are regarded as full French subjects by the colonial administration and are nominally subject to the same laws as their settler counterparts, and have had a significant impact on the development of the colonies, especially in the northern settlements. The colony of Illinois takes its name from the Illinois Confederation, a group of Algonquian tribes inhabiting the northern Mississippi river valley. There and further to the north as well, the fur trade thrives and was one of the driving factors in the early settlement of the area.

Concentrated mostly in Basse-Louisiane, there is a population of enslaved people of both African and aboriginal descent, mostly serving to fuel the plantation economy that has developed there. While not officially legal under French law, the southernmost colony has seen a steady rise in its slave population over the years regardless.

Finally, there exists one group that is generally universally disliked by the free citizens, from the aboriginal nations to the new settlers — the overmountain settlers coming from the British colonies to the east. While theoretically subjects of France just as all others who live in New France and then of the numerous tribes who inhabit these areas, the overmountainers rarely acknowledge either authority, and indeed may sometimes react with hostility to those who seek to enforce the will of the rightful government on them. To the people who already live on the land, these men are invaders. To the trappers and slavers, they are competitors. To the Catholic Church, most of them are heretics. And to the government itself, they are undesirable elements and potential usurpers who undermine its authority.


Territory: New France consists of all of the territories of France on the mainland North American continent, as well as several islands, most notable among them being Newfoundland. Borders between the administrative divisions are ill-defined, as are the outer borders of the colony. Officially, the territory extends to the Appalachian mountains in the east, but the viability of control remains in severe doubt, even to those with less than accurate perceptions of the situation in the colonies.

Capital City: Officially, the Governor-General, Intendant, and the Superior Council of New France reside in Québec City, but in practice, there is a sort of devolution to the territory of New France. Québec City serves as the hub for the northern colonies, while Louisiane is focused on its capital of New Orléans. Beneath these two lower capitals, Haute-Louisiane and Plaisance also have their own capitals—St-Louis and Plaisance. Baie d’Hudson, meanwhile, is largely a seasonal colony under nominally separate administration, and in practice has no real administrative centre.

Population: 1,761,400, consisting of 849,100 free Haute and Basse-Louisianais, 612,300 Canadiens, and an estimated 300,000 aboriginals who are legally considered citizens even if they may not regard themselves as such.



Government Type: New France follows the absolutist model, with supreme administrative power concentrated in the hands of the Intendant and his Superior Council, while the Governor-General represents the interests of the crown, which may overrule or make its own decisions for the colonies at any time and for any reason.

Head of State: By the Grace of God, King of France and Navarre, His Majesty [TBD] reigns over all realms of the Kingdom of France, and has generously granted Governor-General Louis-Philippe de Rigaud, Marquis de Vaudreuil the right to represent His Majesty to the Superior Council and to the Intendant.

Head of Government: Intendant Jean-Marie Roland de la Platière is the head of the Superior Council, which consists of the Governor-General, the Intendant himself, the Bishops of Canada and Louisiana, the Captain-General of the Militia, and eleven additional councillors who serve as the Court of Appeals, of whom one serves as the Procurator General and one the Registrar.

Government Description:
New France is composed of two superior constituent colonies, Canada and Louisiane. These two superior colonies are subdivided into five lesser colonies (Canada Proper, Acadie, Plaisance, Haute-Louisiane, and Basse-Louisiane) and one company (Baie d’Hudson). Mirroring France itself, New France practises an absolutist form of government wherein the Intendant heads the Superior Council and manages the realm, while the Governor-General represents the will of the king. In general, the civilian administrations present in New France closely resemble those of France proper, with little room for deviation.

Though the government of New France superficially appears to have a tight leash due to the rigidity of its government structure, a select few individuals at the top often are able to exercise their extensive powers with little concern for consequence—a practice for which numerous former Governor-Generals and later Intendants became infamous. Currently, the absolute power of the Intendant is wielded by a man of a humble and stolid man, which has made some figures quite pleased, while those who came to enjoy the corruption that power had brought some of his predecessors find Roland’s reluctance to move past his bounds to be a significant obstacle.

Lower levels of the government, especially under Roland’s tenure, have developed contrary to the policies of mirroring France itself. The distances involved for many settlements has lead to a trend of localised democracy within towns, as to imperially appoint mayors, councillors, and the like for each hamlet is a task that has become daunting for even the most power-hungry of Intendants, and is one that Roland has been more than happy to informally delegate away — much to the chagrin of some of the Superior Council. Though they maintain the right to veto and replace any elected officials, this rarely happens without a petition from the locals, as the Intendant’s concerns have been primarily economic in nature.



Majority/State Religion : Catholicism is generally dominant, due to its institutionalised position, but, particularly in areas where the authority of the colonial government is weak, there can be found a number of other faiths, both Christian and otherwise.



Economic Description: I expect at least one (1) paragraph. Explain how advanced your economy is, how your economy works (free-market capitalism? heavily regulated economy?) and the major products of your country.
Development: Industrialized, pre-industrialized or primitive? Remember to be realistic, and that if you choose 'industrialized' you will have to justify it in your history.



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National Goals: What are the objectives your nation aims to follow?
National Issues: State which problems plague your nation. I expect at the very least two problems.



History : I expect at least two (2) paragraphs of history. If your nation does not follow RL historical development, I expect your history to be more detailed but even if your country is a carbon copy of its RL equivalent, I still expect two paragraphs.
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Left-wing Utopia

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The Orson Empire wrote:Sounds great!

What goods in particular could the Americas provide?


I was thinking technology. One standard mechanism of European control was to provide manufactured goods, but not the equipment used to manufacture them. That way, countries like China remained reliant on European imports, never caught up to European technological advancements, and were forced to pay whatever the Europeans demanded. American smugglers don't share this imperial agenda, and so would be willing to sell technologies that European empires would rather hoard to themselves: atmospherics engines, spinning frames, horizontal drilling machines, etc.

Excellent! Indeed, I don't want to have to rely on buying manufactured goods without Koreans possessing the actual technology themselves.

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Nation Name: The French colonies in North America are officially known as New France when discussed as a collective, but individually, they are known as Canada, Baie d’Hudson, Acadie, Plaisance, Pays des Illinois (Formally known as Haute-Louisiane), and Louisiane (Formally known as Basse-Louisiane), with two larger entities emerging: Canada and Louisiana. Among the colonists, several collective names are well-attested to, but the most frequently used term with positive, fraternal connotations is the name “Les Fleuves-Frères,” a name which translates directly as “The Brother-Rivers,” referencing the Mississippi and St-Laurent rivers, which hold most of the major settlements of New France along their banks.

Culture(s):
While somewhat more culturally homogenous than other colonies of similar size, the people of New France still can be divided into a number of groups, though these groups do not necessarily follow the strict caste system of the Iberian colonies, nor does it strongly resemble the race system of the English colonies.

Most politically important among these groups are the first-generation European settlers. Though backgrounds have historically varied greatly, these settlers generally hail from the French peasantry, especially in areas on the periphery of France, such as Normandy, Brittany, and the borderlands with the Germans, among others. A minority of first-generation European settlers come from higher classes, and generally serve in administrative positions or only become permanent inhabitants due to chance, rather than intent of settling, unlike their lower-class counterparts.

The second group, which composes a majority of the free population, is the descendants of settlers, collectively referred to in Louisiane as “Creoles.” In Canada, there is not any widely used term, but Creole has seen usage in some circles to refer to the same group. Among the Creoles, there are several subgroups, including Creoles of full European descent, Creoles of mixed ancestry, and the Métis, which refers to those of partial aboriginal descent. While Creoles of full European descent can be found throughout all of the colonies, the Creoles of mixed ancestry, some of whom are referred to as gens de couleur libres, are mostly found in Basse-Louisiane, descended from freed or escaped slaves, while Métis can be found most in Illinois, Canada, and Baie d’Hudson.

While a majority of European settlers and Creoles of partial or full European descent take their European descent from French settlers, there also exist populations, particularly near ports, hailing from other parts of Europe, such as those of Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish descent in New Orléans, Germans to the north of New Orléans, and English and Irish in Plaisance.

While almost all major permanent European settlements are along the shores of the great rivers and the shores of the Atlantic, there are also significant aboriginal populations within the claimed borders of New France. Though they have little direct political influence, they are regarded as full French subjects by the colonial administration and are nominally subject to the same laws as their settler counterparts, and have had a significant impact on the development of the colonies, especially in the northern settlements. The colony of Illinois takes its name from the Illinois Confederation, a group of Algonquian tribes inhabiting the northern Mississippi river valley. There and further to the north as well, the fur trade thrives and was one of the driving factors in the early settlement of the area.

Concentrated mostly in Basse-Louisiane, there is a population of enslaved people of both African and aboriginal descent, mostly serving to fuel the plantation economy that has developed there. While not officially legal under French law, the southernmost colony has seen a steady rise in its slave population over the years regardless.

Finally, there exists one group that is generally universally disliked by the free citizens, from the aboriginal nations to the new settlers — the overmountain settlers coming from the British colonies to the east. While theoretically subjects of France just as all others who live in New France and then of the numerous tribes who inhabit these areas, the overmountainers rarely acknowledge either authority, and indeed may sometimes react with hostility to those who seek to enforce the will of the rightful government on them. To the people who already live on the land, these men are invaders. To the trappers and slavers, they are competitors. To the Catholic Church, most of them are heretics. And to the government itself, they are undesirable elements and potential usurpers who undermine its authority.


Territory: New France consists of all of the territories of France on the mainland North American continent, as well as several islands, most notable among them being Newfoundland. Borders between the administrative divisions are ill-defined, as are the outer borders of the colony. Officially, the territory extends to the Appalachian mountains in the east, but the viability of control remains in severe doubt, even to those with less than accurate perceptions of the situation in the colonies.

Capital City: Officially, the Governor-General, Intendant, and the Superior Council of New France reside in Québec City, but in practice, there is a sort of devolution to the territory of New France. Québec City serves as the hub for the northern colonies, while Louisiane is focused on its capital of New Orléans. Beneath these two lower capitals, Haute-Louisiane and Plaisance also have their own capitals—St-Louis and Plaisance. Baie d’Hudson, meanwhile, is largely a seasonal colony under nominally separate administration, and in practice has no real administrative centre.

Population: 1,761,400, consisting of 849,100 free Haute and Basse-Louisianais, 612,300 Canadiens, and an estimated 300,000 aboriginals who are legally considered citizens even if they may not regard themselves as such.



Government Type: New France follows the absolutist model, with supreme administrative power concentrated in the hands of the Intendant and his Superior Council, while the Governor-General represents the interests of the crown, which may overrule or make its own decisions for the colonies at any time and for any reason.

Head of State: By the Grace of God, King of France and Navarre, His Majesty [TBD] reigns over all realms of the Kingdom of France, and has generously granted Governor-General Louis-Philippe de Rigaud, Marquis de Vaudreuil the right to represent His Majesty to the Superior Council and to the Intendant.

Head of Government: Intendant Jean-Marie Roland de la Platière is the head of the Superior Council, which consists of the Governor-General, the Intendant himself, the Bishops of Canada and Louisiana, the Captain-General of the Militia, and eleven additional councillors who serve as the Court of Appeals, of whom one serves as the Procurator General and one the Registrar.

Government Description:
New France is composed of two superior constituent colonies, Canada and Louisiane. These two superior colonies are subdivided into five lesser colonies (Canada Proper, Acadie, Plaisance, Haute-Louisiane, and Basse-Louisiane) and one company (Baie d’Hudson). Mirroring France itself, New France practises an absolutist form of government wherein the Intendant heads the Superior Council and manages the realm, while the Governor-General represents the will of the king. In general, the civilian administrations present in New France closely resemble those of France proper, with little room for deviation.

Though the government of New France superficially appears to have a tight leash due to the rigidity of its government structure, a select few individuals at the top often are able to exercise their extensive powers with little concern for consequence—a practice for which numerous former Governor-Generals and later Intendants became infamous. Currently, the absolute power of the Intendant is wielded by a man of a humble and stolid man, which has made some figures quite pleased, while those who came to enjoy the corruption that power had brought some of his predecessors find Roland’s reluctance to move past his bounds to be a significant obstacle.

Lower levels of the government, especially under Roland’s tenure, have developed contrary to the policies of mirroring France itself. The distances involved for many settlements has lead to a trend of localised democracy within towns, as to imperially appoint mayors, councillors, and the like for each hamlet is a task that has become daunting for even the most power-hungry of Intendants, and is one that Roland has been more than happy to informally delegate away — much to the chagrin of some of the Superior Council. Though they maintain the right to veto and replace any elected officials, this rarely happens without a petition from the locals, as the Intendant’s concerns have been primarily economic in nature.



Majority/State Religion : Catholicism is generally dominant, due to its institutionalised position, but, particularly in areas where the authority of the colonial government is weak, there can be found a number of other faiths, both Christian and otherwise.



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Army Weakness:
Naval Description:
Naval Weakness:



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National Issues: State which problems plague your nation. I expect at the very least two problems.



History : I expect at least two (2) paragraphs of history. If your nation does not follow RL historical development, I expect your history to be more detailed but even if your country is a carbon copy of its RL equivalent, I still expect two paragraphs.
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In all seriousness, this looks great. My only comment would be that my version of France is not absolutist. In this timeline, it’s become a constitutional monarchy. I suppose that doesn’t necessarily mean that the governance of New France is constitutional, but still.
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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:16 pm

Completely forgotten that the dutch had colonies in South Africa. This is cursed
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Union Princes wrote:Completely forgotten that the dutch had colonies in South Africa. This is cursed

There are only two kinds of people I can't stand. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:23 pm

I wonder what other colonies I have gotten from the Dutch after conquering the Netherlands
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Postby Khasinkonia » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:44 pm

Rodez wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:




Nation Name: The French colonies in North America are officially known as New France when discussed as a collective, but individually, they are known as Canada, Baie d’Hudson, Acadie, Plaisance, Pays des Illinois (Formally known as Haute-Louisiane), and Louisiane (Formally known as Basse-Louisiane), with two larger entities emerging: Canada and Louisiana. Among the colonists, several collective names are well-attested to, but the most frequently used term with positive, fraternal connotations is the name “Les Fleuves-Frères,” a name which translates directly as “The Brother-Rivers,” referencing the Mississippi and St-Laurent rivers, which hold most of the major settlements of New France along their banks.

Culture(s):
While somewhat more culturally homogenous than other colonies of similar size, the people of New France still can be divided into a number of groups, though these groups do not necessarily follow the strict caste system of the Iberian colonies, nor does it strongly resemble the race system of the English colonies.

Most politically important among these groups are the first-generation European settlers. Though backgrounds have historically varied greatly, these settlers generally hail from the French peasantry, especially in areas on the periphery of France, such as Normandy, Brittany, and the borderlands with the Germans, among others. A minority of first-generation European settlers come from higher classes, and generally serve in administrative positions or only become permanent inhabitants due to chance, rather than intent of settling, unlike their lower-class counterparts.

The second group, which composes a majority of the free population, is the descendants of settlers, collectively referred to in Louisiane as “Creoles.” In Canada, there is not any widely used term, but Creole has seen usage in some circles to refer to the same group. Among the Creoles, there are several subgroups, including Creoles of full European descent, Creoles of mixed ancestry, and the Métis, which refers to those of partial aboriginal descent. While Creoles of full European descent can be found throughout all of the colonies, the Creoles of mixed ancestry, some of whom are referred to as gens de couleur libres, are mostly found in Basse-Louisiane, descended from freed or escaped slaves, while Métis can be found most in Illinois, Canada, and Baie d’Hudson.

While a majority of European settlers and Creoles of partial or full European descent take their European descent from French settlers, there also exist populations, particularly near ports, hailing from other parts of Europe, such as those of Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish descent in New Orléans, Germans to the north of New Orléans, and English and Irish in Plaisance.

While almost all major permanent European settlements are along the shores of the great rivers and the shores of the Atlantic, there are also significant aboriginal populations within the claimed borders of New France. Though they have little direct political influence, they are regarded as full French subjects by the colonial administration and are nominally subject to the same laws as their settler counterparts, and have had a significant impact on the development of the colonies, especially in the northern settlements. The colony of Illinois takes its name from the Illinois Confederation, a group of Algonquian tribes inhabiting the northern Mississippi river valley. There and further to the north as well, the fur trade thrives and was one of the driving factors in the early settlement of the area.

Concentrated mostly in Basse-Louisiane, there is a population of enslaved people of both African and aboriginal descent, mostly serving to fuel the plantation economy that has developed there. While not officially legal under French law, the southernmost colony has seen a steady rise in its slave population over the years regardless.

Finally, there exists one group that is generally universally disliked by the free citizens, from the aboriginal nations to the new settlers — the overmountain settlers coming from the British colonies to the east. While theoretically subjects of France just as all others who live in New France and then of the numerous tribes who inhabit these areas, the overmountainers rarely acknowledge either authority, and indeed may sometimes react with hostility to those who seek to enforce the will of the rightful government on them. To the people who already live on the land, these men are invaders. To the trappers and slavers, they are competitors. To the Catholic Church, most of them are heretics. And to the government itself, they are undesirable elements and potential usurpers who undermine its authority.


Territory: New France consists of all of the territories of France on the mainland North American continent, as well as several islands, most notable among them being Newfoundland. Borders between the administrative divisions are ill-defined, as are the outer borders of the colony. Officially, the territory extends to the Appalachian mountains in the east, but the viability of control remains in severe doubt, even to those with less than accurate perceptions of the situation in the colonies.

Capital City: Officially, the Governor-General, Intendant, and the Superior Council of New France reside in Québec City, but in practice, there is a sort of devolution to the territory of New France. Québec City serves as the hub for the northern colonies, while Louisiane is focused on its capital of New Orléans. Beneath these two lower capitals, Haute-Louisiane and Plaisance also have their own capitals—St-Louis and Plaisance. Baie d’Hudson, meanwhile, is largely a seasonal colony under nominally separate administration, and in practice has no real administrative centre.

Population: 1,761,400, consisting of 849,100 free Haute and Basse-Louisianais, 612,300 Canadiens, and an estimated 300,000 aboriginals who are legally considered citizens even if they may not regard themselves as such.



Government Type: New France follows the absolutist model, with supreme administrative power concentrated in the hands of the Intendant and his Superior Council, while the Governor-General represents the interests of the crown, which may overrule or make its own decisions for the colonies at any time and for any reason.

Head of State: By the Grace of God, King of France and Navarre, His Majesty [TBD] reigns over all realms of the Kingdom of France, and has generously granted Governor-General Louis-Philippe de Rigaud, Marquis de Vaudreuil the right to represent His Majesty to the Superior Council and to the Intendant.

Head of Government: Intendant Jean-Marie Roland de la Platière is the head of the Superior Council, which consists of the Governor-General, the Intendant himself, the Bishops of Canada and Louisiana, the Captain-General of the Militia, and eleven additional councillors who serve as the Court of Appeals, of whom one serves as the Procurator General and one the Registrar.

Government Description:
New France is composed of two superior constituent colonies, Canada and Louisiane. These two superior colonies are subdivided into five lesser colonies (Canada Proper, Acadie, Plaisance, Haute-Louisiane, and Basse-Louisiane) and one company (Baie d’Hudson). Mirroring France itself, New France practises an absolutist form of government wherein the Intendant heads the Superior Council and manages the realm, while the Governor-General represents the will of the king. In general, the civilian administrations present in New France closely resemble those of France proper, with little room for deviation.

Though the government of New France superficially appears to have a tight leash due to the rigidity of its government structure, a select few individuals at the top often are able to exercise their extensive powers with little concern for consequence—a practice for which numerous former Governor-Generals and later Intendants became infamous. Currently, the absolute power of the Intendant is wielded by a man of a humble and stolid man, which has made some figures quite pleased, while those who came to enjoy the corruption that power had brought some of his predecessors find Roland’s reluctance to move past his bounds to be a significant obstacle.

Lower levels of the government, especially under Roland’s tenure, have developed contrary to the policies of mirroring France itself. The distances involved for many settlements has lead to a trend of localised democracy within towns, as to imperially appoint mayors, councillors, and the like for each hamlet is a task that has become daunting for even the most power-hungry of Intendants, and is one that Roland has been more than happy to informally delegate away — much to the chagrin of some of the Superior Council. Though they maintain the right to veto and replace any elected officials, this rarely happens without a petition from the locals, as the Intendant’s concerns have been primarily economic in nature.



Majority/State Religion : Catholicism is generally dominant, due to its institutionalised position, but, particularly in areas where the authority of the colonial government is weak, there can be found a number of other faiths, both Christian and otherwise.



Economic Description: I expect at least one (1) paragraph. Explain how advanced your economy is, how your economy works (free-market capitalism? heavily regulated economy?) and the major products of your country.
Development: Industrialized, pre-industrialized or primitive? Remember to be realistic, and that if you choose 'industrialized' you will have to justify it in your history.



Army Description:
Army Weakness:
Naval Description:
Naval Weakness:



National Goals: What are the objectives your nation aims to follow?
National Issues: State which problems plague your nation. I expect at the very least two problems.



History : I expect at least two (2) paragraphs of history. If your nation does not follow RL historical development, I expect your history to be more detailed but even if your country is a carbon copy of its RL equivalent, I still expect two paragraphs.
RP Sample: Link. If you are new to the forums and do not have a sample, write a short paragraph so I can check your RP abilities.

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Look at my biggest colony dawg, I’m losing my biggest colony.

In all seriousness, this looks great. My only comment would be that my version of France is not absolutist. In this timeline, it’s become a constitutional monarchy. I suppose that doesn’t necessarily mean that the governance of New France is constitutional, but still.

Was it never absolutist, or formerly absolutist?

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Postby Rodez » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:20 pm

Khasinkonia wrote:
Rodez wrote:
Look at my biggest colony dawg, I’m losing my biggest colony.

In all seriousness, this looks great. My only comment would be that my version of France is not absolutist. In this timeline, it’s become a constitutional monarchy. I suppose that doesn’t necessarily mean that the governance of New France is constitutional, but still.

Was it never absolutist, or formerly absolutist?

I would say that it was never properly absolutist, or was only briefly so. My POD is that Henry IV survives his assassination in 1610, so religious freedom in France is preserved and then expanded. This means no official persecution of Huguenots - instead, lots of conflict between papal “loyalist” Catholics on one side and the Huguenots and “Gallican” Catholics on the other side (Gallicanism being, for lack of a better analogy, sort of a French version of Anglicanism that was in vogue around the time of Henry IV). The Bourbons derive their support from the latter.

The parliamentary system originates with Louis XIV, ironically. Because both he and his father were raised in an environment of relative religious toleration and government that was conducted by compromise with the different factions rather than coercion, all the wars France fights under Louis XIV compels him to call the Estates General in order to raise revenues.

Tl:dr, the need for war funding sets off a chain of events that ends with a permanent parliament and a later a constitution after the Seven Years War, albeit one in which the king still has a veto and a good deal of power. You could use constitutional issues as the catalyst for the colonial rebellion. Perhaps not all rights enshrined therein are extended to settlers in New France, or it doesn’t have representation in parliament, or something like that.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:45 pm

Rodez wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:Was it never absolutist, or formerly absolutist?

I would say that it was never properly absolutist, or was only briefly so. My POD is that Henry IV survives his assassination in 1610, so religious freedom in France is preserved and then expanded. This means no official persecution of Huguenots - instead, lots of conflict between papal “loyalist” Catholics on one side and the Huguenots and “Gallican” Catholics on the other side (Gallicanism being, for lack of a better analogy, sort of a French version of Anglicanism that was in vogue around the time of Henry IV). The Bourbons derive their support from the latter.

The parliamentary system originates with Louis XIV, ironically. Because both he and his father were raised in an environment of relative religious toleration and government that was conducted by compromise with the different factions rather than coercion, all the wars France fights under Louis XIV compels him to call the Estates General in order to raise revenues.

Tl:dr, the need for war funding sets off a chain of events that ends with a permanent parliament and a later a constitution after the Seven Years War, albeit one in which the king still has a veto and a good deal of power. You could use constitutional issues as the catalyst for the colonial rebellion. Perhaps not all rights enshrined therein are extended to settlers in New France, or it doesn’t have representation in parliament, or something like that.

Duly noted. I'll adjust my colonial government accordingly.

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Postby Union Princes » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:00 pm

Is the Seven Years War still between France and Britain over North America? Depending on the timeframe, that may have occurred during the conflict known as Kaiser Frederick's War where he fought to united the HRE
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