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Postby Arvenia » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:35 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Got an idea. What if we made a HoI4 mod out of this setting?

I would love to see that.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:35 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Got an idea. What if we made a HoI4 mod out of this setting?

Heh

I have no idea how to make HoI4 mods, but if anyone has any experience with that, it could be interesting to see
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Postby Rygondria » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:36 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Got an idea. What if we made a HoI4 mod out of this setting?

It would be a weird mix of Vanilla, Kaiserreich, Red Flood and original content and I would be game for that

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Postby Arvenia » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:48 pm

Rygondria wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Got an idea. What if we made a HoI4 mod out of this setting?

It would be a weird mix of Vanilla, Kaiserreich, Red Flood and original content and I would be game for that

My Gran Colombia could be part of it.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:52 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Got an idea. What if we made a HoI4 mod out of this setting?

Heh

I have no idea how to make HoI4 mods, but if anyone has any experience with that, it could be interesting to see


I do have some experience in HoI4 modding, so maybe in the future I might decide to make this a reality.
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Postby Theyra » Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:47 pm

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Full Nation Name: Durrani Empire

Short Nation Name: Durrani

National Symbols: Flag

Capital: Kabul

Territory: Territory(In orange and minus the Iran parts except for Balochistan)

Form of Government: Semi-Constitutional Elective Monarchy

Head of State: Padishah(Emperor) Khwazun Durrani

Head of Government: Prime Minister Zarlesh Kakazai

Ideology: Monarchism, Progressive conservatism

Population: 26,920,456

Military Description: Numbering at 500,000 in total of the whole military, with the largest number of men and funding being allocated to the army. Being a mixed semi-volunteer force. But, due to the presence of a communist India on their border and after a failed Indian invasion of Afghanistan. The empire has come to host a large number of irregulars to support the main army. About 600,000 but, are not are well trained or armed as compared to the empire's official military. It is watching its eastern neighbor in case of another communist attack from India.

Tech Tree: Australia

Economic Description: Due to the wealth of natural resources like coal, iron, copper, and oil that exist within its borders. The empire is focused on exploiting these resources and is mainly focusing on oil and mining industries. Though the nation boosts a good agriculture and livestock industry. While somewhat wealthy thanks to the empire's efforts to industrialize. Though significant capital would be sent towards industrialization. Which the empire is still undergoing, and the most industrialized parts of the nation lay in empire-controlled Pakistan. Still, the empire was affected by the Great Depression but has since bounced back to pre-depression levels.

Goals: Stay independent, stay stable, and gain allies against India.

Point of Divergence: 1772

History: After the death of Ahmad Shāh Durrānī in 1772, his youngest son Sarbaz was chosen to succeed him. Though his older brothers would contest this, and soon civil war broke out. Which Sarbaz found a break after two years of war. That his younger brothers were both killed near the end of the conflict, and Sarbaz would win the civil war. However, that was not the end of his problems as several uprisings erupted over the perceived weakness of the empire along with neighboring states taking advantage of the situation. Despite this, Sarbaz was able to crush most uprisings and fight off the empire's attackers. Keeping the nation together and maintaining good relations with the tribes of the empire. At the cost of losing some of its territories in the east After this, Sarbaz focused his energy on stabilizing the empire and building up the military.

Once this was done, and he felt the empire was secure. Sarbaz began a series of campaigns in 1790, first against his southern neighbor, the Khanate of Kalat. Which after about three years, Sarbaz was able to conquer and soon turned his attention eastwards, as a major Sikh rebellion happened. However, Sarbaz would be unable to defeat the Sikhs and as a result. Lost half of their territories in the east. Sarbaz would die of a heart attack in 1796, and his eldest son Turialai was selected to succeed him. Which Turialai would continue his father's expansion policies and would expand the empire further. But choose to expand northwards instead of trying to recapture lost territory. Expanding the empire along the Caspian Sea and further north to the Issyk-Kul lake though with difficulties. By 1826 Sarbaz would stop his advance due to secure and consolidate the empire's new holdings. Along with dealing with the Chinese who were concerned over their expansion along their borders. Sarbaz managed to palliate them as he had no plans of invading China.

By 1830 and having consolidated his rule over the new territories. Sarbaz started to fund infrastructure projects and public works to better unite and connect the empire. In 1834, Sarbaz would die of a stroke, and his eldest son Zarak was elected to succeed him. Under his rule, the empire would thrive, and he would start to modernize the military along with some industrialization to support it. Doing away with Ghilmans and choosing to have a semi-volunteer infantry-based army. However, cavalry would still have an important role in the military. The new army of the empire's first target was the Senior zhuz. For in the north Kazakhs from the Senior zhuz are raiding the empire's northern borders. Which Zarak in response would gather an army and head north to deal with the Senior zhuz. Testing how well his new army can do and after failing to get a pitched battle with the Kazakhs. Zarak found the battle he was looking for and managed to land a crushing defeat on the Kazakhs and would conquer their lands by 1838, which seeing how his army fared with the Kazakhs from the Senior zhuz. Sarbaz decided on conquering the other two zhuz and would add their lands to the empire by 1846.

However, disaster would strike in 1850 as Sarbaz would be poisoned by a vengeful Kazakh noblewoman. And though his middle son Darmal was chosen by the tribal council to succeed his father. His older brother Arman thought that he should be the ruler and not his younger brother and after massing support. Started a civil war for the throne. The war lasted four years and would see uprisings in several regions. Seeing a chance to be independent, and in the end, Darmal would win. Executing his brother and would spend the next couple of years crushing the rebels. By 1857, the empire would at peace once again. After finally achieving this, seeing little room to expand without a major war. Darmal would focus on rebuilding the empire and promoting unity. Along with building infrastructure projects and public works. Culminating in his personal achievement the Grand Mosque of Kabul.

In 1870, Darmal would pass away in his sleep, and his eldest son Turan would be chosen to succeed him. Turan seeing how the empire's neighbors were industrializing and the empire was lagging behind. So in response to this, Darmal started efforts to industrialize the nation. Starting in the south, and having problems due to difficult terrain, especially in the home region of the empire. Still, Darmal was persistent and under his rule. Serious progress was made to industrialize the nation. By 1910, efforts are still undergoing but showing promise.

During World War One, the empire remained neutral throughout the conflict and would come out of the war unscathed. Though Turan would die due to illness and it was during this time that the people urged for more democratic measures due to Western influences. The new Padishah Khwazun was chosen and in 1930. India invaded Afghanistan and Khwazun made an inspiring speech that turned into a national rallying cry as Kabul the capital, was under siege. Which the Indians would lose the Battle of Kabul, and the remains of the Imperial Army chased the Indians out of the empire. Ending the war and causing the border with India to be guarded heavily since then.

It was not until 1932, when there was a risk of a major rebellion due to the Great Depression that he reluctantly agreed to reforms. The empire would become a constitutional monarchy though Khwazun was able to negotiate and was able to hold some power in the new government. A semi-constitutional monarchy that under its new constitution.

By 1938, the empire under Khwazun has recovered from the Great Depression, though uneasy with its communist neighbor of India to the east. As a result, in case of another war with India. The empire is searching for allies in the event that India declares war again for any reason.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:51 pm

Further apps will be reviewed tomorrow since it's late in Europe, and to reiterate Exil's warnings, we encourage people who have yet to finish their apps to try to finish them or at least to keep us very up to date with their status. And people who had their apps reviewed generally only need to make the edits and clarifications that we requested in order to be accepted.

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Postby Asturies-Llion » Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:55 pm

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Full Nation Name: Republic of Persia (جمهوری ایران, Jomhuri-ye Irân, in persian)

Short Nation Name: Persia

National Symbols: Flag (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 29.svg.png), Simurgh, Persian leopard, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ey_Iran, Mount Damavand, Hyacinth

Capital: Tehran

Territory: https://imgur.com/gallery/jed480C

Form of Government: Unitary presidential constitutional republic

President: Mohammad Mosaddegh

Ideology: Social-democracy, Secularism, Nationalism, Progressivism

Population: 20.613 million

Military Description: Need help here

Tech Tree: Turkish or Persian (I am not sure, my idea is having a modernization like the one of Turkey in OTL, and I am not sure if the OTL of Persia is worse)

Economic Description: The main driving force of the Persian economy is oil, which has fueled the extension of industry like metallurgy and the modernisation of agriculture. Agricultural goods like wheat and rice are the most important ones of their sector, which also stands out for its production of saffron, honey, pistachios, caviar, meat and stone fruits. Railways have been extended throughout the country, being one of the most important developments in terms of infrastructure. Persia is the main productor of turquoise, which is making the jewelry sector to grow. There is also an small local developing textile sector, which exports carpets. Key sectors have an important participation of the State, which is using shipyards to attract foreign investors.

Goals: Public: Development and modernisation of the country, promotion of democratic ideals.
Private: Something something, iranian peoples unification maybe?

Point of Divergence: 1917

History: When the new Russian Republic was unable to mantain its control over the Caucasus, the Persian Empire led by the Qajar dinasty launched a reconquest of the eastern area of Transcaucasia (lost to the Russian in the previous century). The Constitutional Revolution had established a constitutional regime after 1909, but the extensive power of the Shah was always viewed with suspicion by the constitutionalist forces. In 1915 the Jangal movement appeared in the Gilan province, leading to an imperial try to defeat the guerrilla. However, the Shah failed in his first attempt, and the republican positions of the constitutionalists spreaded. Finally, the republican forces launched a coup in 1921 against the Shah when he attempted to shut down the opposition. The capital was quickly captured by the rebel factions of the army, and a new provisional government leadered by Soleiman Eskandari and his Democrat Party was established. After the approval of the new constitution, the first elections of the Persian Republic took place, in which the Democrat Party won. After this, Eskandari began to transform the country into a modern democracy, extending industrialization, infrastructure and modernizing education. In 1932, Eskandari was suceeded by Mosaddegh as the leader of the Democrat Party, and became the second President of the Persian Republic. Under his government, the modernization of the country continued, sustained by oil extraction and the young leaders emerged from the new Persian universities. During the last years expansionist positions have gained popularity, supporting the creation of a Pan-iranian Persian Republic which would almost wipe out the Durrani Empire, and in the most extreme groups, even the revival of Zoroastrism.

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Postby Hochster Stern der Morgenrote » Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:11 pm

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Hochster Stern der Morgenrote wrote:
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The Empire of Brazil

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I want to double check your understanding of the tech tree system - because the phrase "French Brazilian cooperation begins with the marriage of Empress Isabel I and the grandson of King Luís Filipe I of France, Gastão de Orleans, Count d'Eu." in the tech section seems to indicate to me that you believe that Brazil's use of French tech must be justified through a good relationship with France. However, as per the tech system, your use of the French tech will be treated with a bit of suspension of disbelief as being its own, native Brazilian thing.

Your app presents Pedro Henrique of Orléans-Braganza, as Pedro III, while your history mentions Pedro de Alcântara, Prince of Grão-Pará as Pedro III.


Brazil’s economy feels maybe a bit too successful? The government actually putting effort into industrialization works, but said industrialization would likely be limited to its coastal areas and to its major urban areas. Also considering that Brazil would likely still be a major agricultural exporter, and since important regions of the country are those where the geography keeps them more or less rural and isolated, saying that Brazil would have completely abandoned its rural roots is a bit too much.


For the military:
  • Your aircraft numbers are rivalling those of France in the 1940 campaign...so basically 2 years away and a country with a long history of industrialisation, unlike yours. You have the necessary tools to be able to develop what France did, the question is if you can be so much better at developing these things that you outpace them.
  • Your navy is essentially better than the French Navy at the time. Admittedly, the French were hampered by the resource drain of the trench warfare as well as the following Washington Naval Treaty but still, it might be best to think a little smaller for now and ramp production up with naval programs later.

And for the history:
  • The Brazilian Navy was the fifth or the sixth largest, not the fourth, and as stated previously to other players, I am opposed to any sort of position claiming since we simply don’t know. There are more nations with a stronger naval focus than in real life, there are still apps in progress, any sort of ranking wouldn't really work.
  • The entire Anglo-Brazilian War is something that we would have to deny as long as we lack an English player. We generally do not allow people to control the histories of NPC's or of unclaimed nations, unless it's an absolutely crucial thing. You are free to discuss the possibility of such a war in the future if we will ever have a British player, but regardless I don't think that the conflict works. The Pirara Question in real life did not lead to a war, Britain essentially had the upper hand and Brazil had to submit to international arbitration. There is also the fact that the notion that Brazil could beat a Britain at the height of its power is highly debtable.
  • I’m generally not a big fan of rebellions being defeated by the actions of a single man, but eh, it’s not necessarily an issue. It doesn’t fundamentally address the issues that led to the fall of the monarchy but it’s not impossible. Regardless, I would like to see a few more general mentions about how the monarchy strengthened its position and about how the ultraconservatives that opposed it were dealt with.
  • · Brazil further pursuing industrialization makes sense, but I’m not sure what you mean by universal health care – if it’s a social health insurance type of thing like Germany had at this point in time in real life maybe, yeah. Universal suffrage is a bit too early and would have likely further angered the the more conservative part of the population so I’d propose that you make it into one of the achievements of Empress Isabel later on.
  • The comparison with your neighbors in 1900 isn’t completely fair since Argentina was doing pretty well IRL also at that time, and there is also Greater Colombia to your north.
  • The Grand Assembly is rejected. You are controlling the histories of NPC's that you again have no control over, and you're doing it solely for the benefit of Brazil. I also think that relations between South American countries would still be too tense for something like that to happen (Mercosur was only founded in 1991, and attempts by Brazil and Argentina to do a customs union in 1941 didn't work out due to diplomatic differences). A military bloc would be even more unlikely, since Argentina, Chile and Uruguay most likely would all fear the notion of Brazilian hegemony.
  • Several issues with WW1. For Brazil to go to war in 1915 feels too early – in real life several Brazilian merchant ships were sunken and yet Brazil did nothing, it was only the declaration of unrestricted submarine warfare and the destruction of a ship that was following all rules of neutral sailing that forced Brazil to do it - and even then there were plenty of internal issues over the matter. The entire part about the Brazilians fighting German battleships doesn’t work considering that the Hochseeflotte was bottled up in the North Sea by the British blockade, so any sort of naval battles between the Brazilian Navy and the Germans in the Atlantic would involve submarines on the German side. The use of air power in naval battles is a bit too revolutionary, and Brazil wouldn't have had much of an air force to begin with and no native military air industry, so it wouldn't have been able to send many planes to Europe - any planes that it would have had would have likely received from the Entente. Tanks in 1917 in the Brazilian forces also doesn't work.


Understood and noted, I will review and structure the historical and military part better.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:13 am

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:34 am

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Full Nation Name: Durrani Empire


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You could increase the population a little. 24 million would be your population without your parts of Pakistan, and since Baluchistan is likely going to have around another million, so you could maybe go up to 26 million without any large issues.

For the military, what are the military numbers meant to represent? The entire active, standing force? The mobilised military? In case of the former, I'd have to request that you cut it by half please, as I am doubtful that a country of this massive land size, with this sort of small population and a likely very poorly developed infrastructure, would be capable of maintaining such a large force of professional, Western-style standing troops. Now if we are talking about, say, some sort of an Afghan religious militia or tribal irregulars I am certain that such a large standing force can be justified but I would appreciate if you would name it as such, so as to not confuse people what might be professional soldiers and what might be irregulars.

Moving on, the economy. The state industrializing, and trying to exploit its plentiful natural resources would make sense, but the rapid and advanced industrialization that seems to happen in your app is a bit too optimistic. I assume that you've realized that your mountainous areas would be a big impediment to industrialization and to infrastructure, if that's what you mean with this and if this is simply a mistake due to rushing the app (Which mainly in the non-mountainous regions of the empire are industrialized while the mountainous regions are mostly industrialized along with the more remote places in the empire), but fundamentally your geography works against you. It's most likely that your Pakistani areas would be the most industrialized, and industrialization could also happen in your major urban centers, but your center in Afghanistan would be in a rather bad position due to the highly mountainous nature of the country. Major cities in Afghanistan could have developing industries, but getting to and from them would be difficult as would be any infrastructure in the area, so it's up to your government whether they would have tried to spend effort here or to have focused on areas where this would have been easier. The northern territories of your country would however be largely rural, with the exception of those areas where there are natural resources to exploit, but even that would be limited. The steppes are too large, your political center is cut off from them by mountains. The situation could be a little better if you could find foreign nations which would have invested technology and capital into your country and your resources. Don't get me wrong, it's not like your country would not be industrialized - but your geography is working against you, so you couldn't have industrialized all your regions, particularly if the Durrani wasted effort industrializing Afghanistan's cities.


The history is overall alright, though changes to be made to reflect any changes in the economy section.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:58 am

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Full Nation Name: Republic of Persia (جمهوری ایران, Jomhuri-ye Irân, in persian)


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Your population should be a bit smaller, 19, maybe 19.5 million at the most. The combined population that we calculated falls somewhere around 18.5 million, and an increase with a higher industrialization could be justified.


For the military, whether you choose Turkish or Persian tech wouldn't really matter since neither had a lot of domestic designs, you'd like have to use foreign licenses a lot anyway. Should you want native tech and should the industrialization make sense you could maybe aim for one of the open spots for Swedish or maybe even Polish tech, but it depends on what you want.


As for the military, you should in terms of numbers take a look at the Turkish military in real life around this time period for inspiration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... rld_War_II

You could have your military be slightly better than this, especially in terms of equipment issues since unlike Turkey you wouldn't have had the Kemalist neutrality.


The rest of the app looks alright. Do keep in mind that both industrialization and infrastructure building would be made difficult by your geography, but you could have a bit more than Persia at this point in real life due to a more reformist government. In terms of railways, the Baghdad railway could be a thing, maybe with an extension to Basra and to Iran, and the Trans-Iranian Railway could have maybe been completed a year earlier. Further railways, if any would exist, would be local, other big projects could be your aims in the IC.
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Postby Asturies-Llion » Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:18 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Asturies-Llion wrote:
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Full Nation Name: Republic of Persia (جمهوری ایران, Jomhuri-ye Irân, in persian)


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Your population should be a bit smaller, 19, maybe 19.5 million at the most. The combined population that we calculated falls somewhere around 18.5 million, and an increase with a higher industrialization could be justified.


For the military, whether you choose Turkish or Persian tech wouldn't really matter since neither had a lot of domestic designs, you'd like have to use foreign licenses a lot anyway. Should you want native tech and should the industrialization make sense you could maybe aim for one of the open spots for Swedish or maybe even Polish tech, but it depends on what you want.


As for the military, you should in terms of numbers take a look at the Turkish military in real life around this time period for inspiration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... rld_War_II

You could have your military be slightly better than this, especially in terms of equipment issues since unlike Turkey you wouldn't have had the Kemalist neutrality.


The rest of the app looks alright. Do keep in mind that both industrialization and infrastructure building would be made difficult by your geography, but you could have a bit more than Persia at this point in real life due to a more reformist government. In terms of railways, the Baghdad railway could be a thing, maybe with an extension to Basra and to Iran, and the Trans-Iranian Railway could have maybe been completed a year earlier. Further railways, if any would exist, would be local, other big projects could be your aims in the IC.


For the population I used this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/popu ... RN~KWT~AZE
In 1937 you have:
- Azerbaijan: 2.57 million
- Iran: 14.73 million
- Iraq: 4.08 million
- Kuwait: 131,939 people

I know I don't have Balochistan, western parts of Azerbaijan, or the northernmost areas of Iraq, but the first two are not very densely populated. Also, we must take into account that there is no Russian civil war, so there is no soviet invasion in Persian soil, no British intervention, and no Persian famine of 1917-1919, or at least not so harsh (remember I have the lower Euphrates and Tigris).

That is why even if I had 21.71 million using OTL numbers (I didn't take into account Dagestan, which in 1939 is 930,416), I lowered it.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:29 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:Your population should be a bit smaller, 19, maybe 19.5 million at the most. The combined population that we calculated falls somewhere around 18.5 million, and an increase with a higher industrialization could be justified.


For the military, whether you choose Turkish or Persian tech wouldn't really matter since neither had a lot of domestic designs, you'd like have to use foreign licenses a lot anyway. Should you want native tech and should the industrialization make sense you could maybe aim for one of the open spots for Swedish or maybe even Polish tech, but it depends on what you want.


As for the military, you should in terms of numbers take a look at the Turkish military in real life around this time period for inspiration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... rld_War_II

You could have your military be slightly better than this, especially in terms of equipment issues since unlike Turkey you wouldn't have had the Kemalist neutrality.


The rest of the app looks alright. Do keep in mind that both industrialization and infrastructure building would be made difficult by your geography, but you could have a bit more than Persia at this point in real life due to a more reformist government. In terms of railways, the Baghdad railway could be a thing, maybe with an extension to Basra and to Iran, and the Trans-Iranian Railway could have maybe been completed a year earlier. Further railways, if any would exist, would be local, other big projects could be your aims in the IC.


For the population I used this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/popu ... RN~KWT~AZE
In 1937 you have:
- Azerbaijan: 2.57 million
- Iran: 14.73 million
- Iraq: 4.08 million
- Kuwait: 131,939 people

I know I don't have Balochistan, western parts of Azerbaijan, or the northernmost areas of Iraq, but the first two are not very densely populated. Also, we must take into account that there is no Russian civil war, so there is no soviet invasion in Persian soil, no British intervention, and no Persian famine of 1917-1919, or at least not so harsh (remember I have the lower Euphrates and Tigris).

That is why even if I had 21.71 million using OTL numbers (I didn't take into account Dagestan, which in 1939 is 930,416), I lowered it.

Alright, some difference in exact population numbers might still exist, but since you are avoiding things that impacted the Persian population, alright, you can use your initial population from the app without any issues.
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Postby Asturies-Llion » Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:33 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Asturies-Llion wrote:
For the population I used this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/popu ... RN~KWT~AZE
In 1937 you have:
- Azerbaijan: 2.57 million
- Iran: 14.73 million
- Iraq: 4.08 million
- Kuwait: 131,939 people

I know I don't have Balochistan, western parts of Azerbaijan, or the northernmost areas of Iraq, but the first two are not very densely populated. Also, we must take into account that there is no Russian civil war, so there is no soviet invasion in Persian soil, no British intervention, and no Persian famine of 1917-1919, or at least not so harsh (remember I have the lower Euphrates and Tigris).

That is why even if I had 21.71 million using OTL numbers (I didn't take into account Dagestan, which in 1939 is 930,416), I lowered it.

Alright, some difference in exact population numbers might still exist, but since you are avoiding things that impacted the Persian population, alright, you can use your initial population from the app without any issues.

Perfect then :)

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Tracian Empire wrote:Further apps will be reviewed tomorrow since it's late in Europe, and to reiterate Exil's warnings, we encourage people who have yet to finish their apps to try to finish them or at least to keep us very up to date with their status. And people who had their apps reviewed generally only need to make the edits and clarifications that we requested in order to be accepted.

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In my military section, I have a failed invasion of Afghanistan in 1930 if you'd like to include it as a major national rallying cry and something to set as our diplomatic backdrop. I'd also like to have never had those parts of Balochistan and Pashtun tribal areas in British India so there's no revanchist sentiment. My basic outline of that invasion is to mirror the Polish-Soviet War where the Reds dramatically lose the Battle of Kabul and just get clowned all the way back to the Indus.

That in turn triggers officer purges, revolts, and military reorganization to alleviate that humiliating defeat.
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Full Nation Name: Empire of Japan

Short Nation Name: Japan

National Symbols:

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Capital: Tokyo

Territory: Japan, Korea, Manchuria and North China (including Shandong, Henan and Shaanxi)

Form of Government: Federal Constitutional Monarchy (de jure), One Party State (de facto)

The Empire is nominally a federal constitutional monarchy. The Emperor is the head of state, but is mostly a ceremonial figurehead. Nevertheless, they are important in imperial ideology. The Emperor is called Tennō (天皇), literally "Emperor of Kami" or "Heavenly Sovereign". The Japanese Shinto religion - which is the state religion of the Empire - holds him to be the direct descendant of the solar goddess Amaterasu. The Emperor is also considered to be in possession of the "Mandate of Heaven", a Chinese concept adopted by the Japanese after their victory over the Ming Empire.

The Prime Minister is the head of the executive branch of the federal government. The Prime Minister is appointed by the Emperor, after being designated by members of the Diet, and the continuation of his government is dependent upon the confidence of that legislative chamber. The federal government handles fiscal, monetary, military, foreign and education policy. The Imperial Diet, a bicameral parliament. It consists of a lower House of Representatives with 465 seats, elected by popular vote every four years or when dissolved, and an upper House of Councilors with 245 seats, whose popularly-elected members serve six-year terms. Only men have the right to vote.

The Empire is comprised of 25 states:

1. Hokkaido
2. Tōhoku
3. Kantō
4. Chūbu
5. Kansai
6. Chūgoku
7. Shikoku
8. Kyūshū
9. Chūsei
10. Keishō
12. Heian
13. Kōgen
14. Kōkai
15. Kankyō
16. Zenra
17. Keiki
18. Manshūkoku
19. Mōkyō (Mongolia)
20. Peking
21. Bōkyō (Hebei)
22. Shanxi
23. Shandong
24. Henan
25. Shaanxi

Each state elects every four years a Provincial Assembly (the number of MPs varies depending on the province). The politician who can muster a majority in the Assembly is appointed Chief Minister by the Emperor. Provinces have broad autonomy: they collect property tax (which is the primary source of their funding), have the right to levy indirect taxes to fund their initiatives, can implement welfare programs or invest into provincial infrastructure and manage healthcare services.

In practice, the Empire is the an one-party state as the League of National Rejuvenation (LNR) is the only legal political party. LNR has five ideological pillars:

1. Devotion to the Emperor as the physical manifestation of the Japanese nation.
2. Glorification of militarism and the spirit of the Samurai.
3. Corporatism: the government, corporations and trade unions must work together to create common prosperity.
4. Defense of traditional values and social norms.
5. Opposition to Western colonialism in East and Southeast Asia.

Elections still take place, and there is genuine competition between the approved (by the LNR) candidates. However censorship is in place and "subversive activities" can land dissidents to "Reeducation Camps" in the frigid lands of Manchuria. Although the LNR is nominally a single party, unofficially there are four factions:

1. Conservative Faction: the largest of the factions, it seeks to uphold the status quo. While traditionalist and nationalistic domestically, it opposes foreign expansionism and seeks instead to expand Japanese influence through diplomacy and proxy wars. Economically, it supports a corporatist economy.
2. Reformist Faction: a radical faction, it seeks the transformation of Japanese society through the implementation of 'National Socialism'. The state - as the body of the nation - will completely dominate the market, in effect nationalizing all private commercial activity. The current authoritarian structure will be replaced by a totalitarian state that will mobilize all the resources of the nation towards external warfare: the objectives of which will be to acquire living space for the Japanese people and to root out the weak elements of Japanese society.
3. Militarist Faction: much like the Reformists, the Militarists seek external expansion but their objectives are far more limited and 'realistic'. On domestic issues, they are largely in agreement with the Conservatives (opposing the totalitarian vision of the Reformists), but seek to bolster military spending.
4. Liberal Faction: the Liberal faction is comprised of liberal conservatives, classical liberals and even some center-leftists who preferred to collaborate with the regime rather than face repercussions. The Liberals support the privatization of most state enterprises, a laissez-faire approach to economics, liberalization of political discourse, an end to censorship and a reduction in military spending. On foreign policy, they support free trade and peace.

There is also a fifth 'faction' that is composed of politicians from the above four factions: Pan-Asianists. Those can be conservatives, liberals, reformists or militarists but have one thing in common: a firm belief that Japan must lead the Asian nations to unity so that together they can liberate the continent from European colonialism.

Head of State: Emperor Shōwa

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Head of Government: Prime Minister Hideki Tojo

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Ideology: National Conservatism

Population: 200,000,000

Military Description:

The Japanese Armed Forces are comprised by the Imperial Japanese Army, the Imperial Japanese Navy, the Imperial Japanese Army Air Service and the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service. During wartime, the armed forces are led by the Imperial General Headquarters (IGHQ), an ad hoc body consisting of the chief and vice chief of the Army General Staff, the Minister of the Army, the chief and vice chief of the Naval General Staff, the Inspector General of Aviation, and the Inspector General of Military Training.

The Imperial Japanese Army is comprised of 460,000 men, distributed across mainland Japan, Korea, Manchuria and Northern China. Its service rifle is the Type 38 rifle, a 5-round bolt-action rifle firing the 6.5×50mmSR Arisaka cartridge. The most common submachine gun use is the Experimental Model 2 submachine gun, chambered in the 8mm Nambu round. Japanese tanks include the light Type 95 Ha-Go and the medium Type 97 Chi-Ha, but are mostly used for reconnaissance and supply purposes. Japan has 1,020 operational tanks.

The Imperial Japanese Navy is among the most powerful in the world. It consists of 9 battleships (3 Kongō class, 2 Fusō class, 2 Ise class, 2 Nagato class ), 5 aircraft carriers (Hōshō, Akagi, Kaga, Ryūjō, Soryu), 16 heavy cruisers (2 Furutaka, 2 Aoba, 4 Myōkō, 4 Takao, 4 Mogami), 17 light cruisers (2 Tenryū, 5 Kuma, 1 Yubari, 3 Sendai, 6 Nagara) 87 destroyers (3 Momi-class destroyer, 13 Minekaze-class destroyer, 6 Wakatake-class destroyer, 9 Kamikaze-class destroyer, 12 Mutsuki-class, 19 Fubuki-class destroyer, 4 Akatsuki-class destroyer, 6 Hatsuharu-class destroyer, 10 Shiratsuyu-class destroyer, 5 Asashio-class destroyer), 12 sea-going torpedo boats, 9 sea-going gunboats and 68 submarines.

The Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service consists of 563 land-based aircraft, in addition to the 332 aircraft aboard its carrier fleet. The navy air service has a total of 895 aircraft and 2,711 aircrew, including pilots and navigators, in thirty-nine air groups. The Japanese Army Air Service consists of 1,000 aircraft (including 875 first line combat aircraft) organized into squadrons made up of 36 fighters, 28 light bombers and 22 medium bombers.

The Japanese are known to use mustard gas and the blister agent Lewisite. The Japanese Armed Forces also have the capability to spread cholera, dysentery, and typhoid by using infected fleas.

Tech Tree: Japanese

Economic Description:

The economy of the Empire of Japan is highly industrialized compared to that of most other Asian states, with military industry being especially important. The economy also benefits from the mineral resources of Manchuria (coal, iron, dolomite and magnesite, aluminous shale, oil shale, structural and chemical raw materials, gold and subordinate amounts of silver, copper, lead, zinc and tungsten) and Korea (coal and iron ore), which it uses to expand its industry. Japan, however, needs to import oil and this weakness is viewed by the ruling party as a national security threat. The large manpower of Northern China provides Japanese enterprises with a vast, low-wage workforce to support that industry. Japanese industry is heavily subsidized by the state, which also offers favorable workplace regulations, but in exchange the industrialists are expected to support government initiatives and work with the ruling party. Although Japan saw decreased growth rates in the 1920s and a stark recession in the early 1930s, since 1936 the economy has been growing at an annual rate of 8%.

Goals: Expand Japanese domain, become the hegemon of East Asia

Point of Divergence: Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea was a success, allowing him to use the resources and manpower of the peninsula to invade the Ming Dynasty and overtake the North.

History:

1592–1598: In 1592, Toyotomi Hideyoshi launched an invasion with the intent of conquering the Korean Peninsula and China, which were respectively ruled by the Joseon and Ming dynasties. Japanese forces quickly managed to overrun much of the peninsula, causing the Ming to send reinforcements to support the Joseon forces. However, the Ming forces were badly managed: not only were their commanders tactically inept, but various logistical blunders caused the army to be demoralized due to hunger and fatigue. This allowed the Japanese to defeat the Ming despite their numerical superiority. By 1598, Korea was under Japanese rule and the Ming were forced to accept a truce. Korea was reorganized: although a Joseon King remained in power, he would reside in Kyoto in the Imperial Court. Actual administration would be in the hands of Japanese nobles, granted fiefdoms, assisted by Korean bureaucrats.

1598 - 1629: The victory bolstered the position of Hideyoshi inside Japan, and his arguments for Japanese expansionism abroad gained credence. When Hideyoshi died in 1598, the five regents he had appointed to rule in Hideyori's (his young son) place began jockeying amongst themselves for power. Tokugawa Ieyasu seized control in 1600, after his victory over the others at the Battle of Sekigahara. He became the first Shogun of the Tokugawa Shogunate. In 1627, Hong Taiji of Manchuria dispatched princes Amin, Jirgalang, Ajige and Yoto to Korea with 30,000 troops but they were routed by the Japanese. This crushing defeat crippled Manchu power.

1629 - 1644: Between 1629 and 1635, five expeditions were launched to subdue the Manchu tribes. Hong Taiji was killed in battle and the leading commanders of Manchu pledged their allegiance to the Shogunate. In exchange, the Shogun Tokugawa Iemitsu granted them noble titles and recognized their rule over parts of Manchuria, while granting other parts of Manchuria as reward to competent commanders. Iemitsu used this policy as a way to get mainland Japan rid of troublemaking Daimyos. He also created a 'Yellow Banner' comprised of 10,000 Manchu horsemen that would act as personal guard, giving him another advantage over the various Daimyos.

1644: The Ming Empire in the 1630s and 1640s suffered a series of catastrophic revolts that completely undermined imperial authority. In February 1644, rebel leader Li Zicheng founded the Shun dynasty in Xi'an and proclaimed himself King. In March, his armies captured the important city of Taiyuan in Shanxi. On 24 April, Li Zicheng breached the walls of Beijing, and the Chongzhen Emperor hanged himself the next day on a hill behind the Forbidden City. He was the last Ming emperor to reign in Beijing.

1644 - 1653: Li Zicheng ruled as a tyrant, allowing his soldiers to ravage Beijing and terrifying Ming bureaucrats. He also offended the powerful Ming general at the Great Wall, Wu Sangui, by beheading his father. Wu Sangui, knowing that he would not be able to face the rebels on his own and wanting revenge, contacted the Japanese for assistance. A joint army of Japanese Samurai and Manchu cavalrymen under the leadership of Shogun Tokugawa Iemitsu himself were let through the Great Wall by Wu Sangui. Together with Wu Sangui's Ming soldiers, they marched rapidly to Beijing and captured it. Unlike Li Zicheng, Iemitsu did not allow his troops to loot the city and respected the Ming nobles still in the capital. He publicly declared in an edict that the "Mandate of Heaven" had passed from the tyrant Li Zhicheng to Emperor Go-Kōmyō. He also declared that any who refused to accept the new reality would be treated as rebels. In a series of rapid campaigns, he conquered Shanxi, Hebei, Shandong, Henan and Shaanxi. But his advance southwards stalled after a Ming Prince dealt a defeat on a Japanese army. Logistical issues also plagued the Japanese advance, forcing the Shogun to end the campaign in order to solidify his rule over Northern China.

1653 - 1854: In 1653, the young Emperor Go-Kōmyō travelled to Beijing to sit on the Dragon Throne in a ceremony that officially established the Japanese Emperor as Emperor of China. That same year, the Joseon King was deposed and Emperor Go-Kōmyō assumed the Korean throne too, thus unifying the three realms in his person. Yet, he was but a puppet of the Shogun. Tokugawa Ietsuna reorganized the administration of China: thousands of ronin and Samurai were dispatched in the newly conquered lands, to act as garrisons. This allowed Ietsuna to remove from Japan disruptive social elements (ronin) while at the same time depleting the resources of his Daimyo by sending their Samurai warriors far away in China and thus depriving them of the means to oppose him. Otherwise, the Japanese retained much of the Chinese administration in the North: Imperial Examination were regularly held and the Ming government structure was retained on both provincial and 'national' level (under Japanese supervision). The Chinese would dominate civil offices, with the exception of some of the highest-ranking ones (such as that of Chancellor or Minister of War) that were reserved for the Japanese, while the army would be dominated by Japanese officers. The Japanese would also make extensive use of Manchu and Korean soldiers in China, while using Chinese troops as garrisons in Korea and Manchuria. This policy was meant to deprive the garrison troops from having social or cultural connections with the people they occupied. In the late 1600s and early 1700s, Japanese armies conquered much of Inner Mongolia but their attempts to conquer the South failed.

1854 - 1868: In 1854, European ships came to the shores of the Empire. Their presence and technological superiority awestruck the Japanese, who realized that if they did not modernize they would face the same fate as other Asian peoples. The Boshin War led to the establishment of a centralized state nominally unified under the Emperor (the Meiji Restoration). Adopting Western political, judicial, and military institutions, the Cabinet organized the Privy Council, introduced the Meiji Constitution, and assembled the Imperial Diet. Japan along engaged in nation-building, portraying the Empire as the protector of Asian races which according to imperial ideology are related like a family with the Japanese as the eldest brother and the Chinese, Koreans, Manchus and Mongols as the younger brothers.

1868 - 1932: In the next decades, Japan rapidly industrialized and modernized its armed forces. It also reformed domestically, adopting a federal structure as the unitary centralism led to problems in governing such an extensive and populous empire, and becoming more liberal and democratic. Japan entered the Great War on the side of the victors, successfully showcasing in a number of engagements that its military was on par with that of Western powers. But it did not get the rewards it was promised, namely the pacific islands and the conquest of southern China. This, along with the global economic crisis of the 1930s, led to considerable domestic unrest and political assassinations.

1932 onwards: Conservative and nationalist politicians formed the League of National Rejuvenation (LNR) in response to political unrest and violence. The LNR came to be supported by the far right, most Japanese industrial leaders, even terrified liberals and the Emperor. In 1934, it was proclaimed the sole legal party and many articles of the constitution were suspended as the LNR government declared Japan to be in a 'state of siege'. Unrest was quelled, stability returned and the economy recovered from the crisis and begun to grow once more. In 1938, the LDR has total control over Japanese politics and it remains to be seen which direction Japan will take.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:16 am

Asturies-Llion wrote: Do you need oil? I have plenty (o )_(o )


Yes. I am sure we can come to some sort of agreement. Perhaps post in the IC that a delegation has arrived to Tokyo for trade negotiations, and then we can sign an official agreement.
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Full Nation Name: The German Democratic Republic, Deutsche Demokratische Republik

Short Nation Name: Germany

National Symbols:
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Anthem: Die Internationale- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOzsllzy-w
Capital: Berlin

Territory: Germany

Form of Government: Unitary Marxist–Thälmannist one-party socialist republic

Head of State: Chairman Ernst Thälmann

Head of Government: General Secretary Wilhelm Pieck ((In function acts as a rubber stamp for Thälmann))

Ideology: Marxist–Thälmannism
Marxist-Thälmannism arose in the aftermath of the assassination of Karl Liebknecht. This form of Marxism, Named after the current chairman of the Communist Party of Germany, Ernst Thälmann. Viewing Liebknecht as Luxemburg's means of communism as leading Germany into weakness, Thälmann took the party into a much more nationalistic and authoritarian direction. Communism in one country, as Ernst would call it as well as the aggravation of the class struggle along with the development of socialism, has led to a surprisingly nationalistic...and even authoritarian system. Of course, this is part of a development of sort towards specific end goals. The development of a true socialist state even as capitalist nations surround them and the eventual creation of a classless society. Until then the Thalmannist believes that strong state authority is a necessity to develop and preserve the revolution, no matter the cost.
Population: 69,314,000

Military Description:Arising from the ashes of the first world war, the Nationale Volksarmee or the National Peoples Army is considered one of the most formidable armed forces in Europe. The NVA was organized into four branches: the Landstreitkräfte (Ground Forces), the Volksmarine (Navy), the Luftstreitkräfte (Air Force) and the Grenztruppen (Border Troops), all of which fall under the Ministry of War.

Currently having about 1,400,000 soldiers under arms under mobilization, the number can easily reach up to 2,800,000 men. Along with this they also have 1,600 tanks, made up of primarily panzer ones though Pazer two's are also slowly being introduced into the armored columns, as well as developments into the Panzer three's
The Luftstreitkräfte (Air Force) currently has around 750 fighters and 800 bombers, a reasonably modern force, it is hoped that further investment into the Luftstreitkrafte will lead to red domination of the skies.

The military's smallest branch is most definitely the Volksmarine, with only two battleships, two battlecruisers, three armored cruisers, three heavy cruisers, six light cruisers, 22 destroyers and 59 submarines. Though there have been efforts to rebuild the navy to numbers similar to before the great war, a lack of interest and funding has stalled the Navy's plans.

Tech Tree: German

Economic Description: The German economy is, of course, a planned one like most socialist economies. What sets it apart from most of them is the fact that it is, besides arguably Britain, one of the most heavily industrialized nations on the planet. This leaves them in an economic advantage over at least the mainland members of the Internationale.

Having an admittedly limited number of potential trade partners outside the Internationale, the Germans have attempted to establish a limited form of autarky so as not to be dependent on foreign trade in another Great War. Of course, such a thing has only proven semi-successful, while rubber, for example, has been synthesized items such as oil and certain other goods cannot simply be replaced with German industrial might which of course weakens the autarky the party wishes too establish in the country.

Though far from the days of the 5 year plan that helped rebuild the economy after the destruction of the Bürgerkrieg. The economy is still heavily controlled by government oversight and quotas. The main focus of German industrial might seems to be rearmament, heavy industry, and increasing agricultural output. Though once again, far from the massive shakeups of the 5-year plan. These uses of quotas have proven to be a mixed bag at the best of times. And damn near inefficient or even lethal at the worse of times. But on the other hand, it rebuilt German industrial might and helped facilitate the rebuilding of the German armed forces, so it can't be all bad...right ?

Goals: To preserve the revolution and protect fellow socialist states, to defend against nationalist France and Fascist Russia, to restore German power in Europe,

Point of Divergence: A successful Spartacist uprising

History: If the Great War could be described in one word for Germany in 1918, it would be a disaster. Though they had managed to bring victory in the east, the west remained a desperate slog with no end. To break this Stalemate, the German high command launched the now infamous German spring offensive. While initially successful once again was slowed and then stopped entirely. This severely weakened the fighting will of the German military as a whole and the German people. The first of what was to come came with the Kiel mutiny. With rumors of an inevitable armistice insight, sailors under the command of Admiral Franz von Hipper and Admiral Reinhard Scheer started an uprising to save themselves from being thrown into an unneeded battle.

Little did these sailors know that their actions would have a ripple effect that would lead to the German Revolution of 1918-1919, which would lead to the abdication of the Kaiser. A provisional republic and a truce with the entene were declared soon after. But the provisional republic was racked with instability and proved quite ineffective. The Spartacist League, led by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, saw an opportunity to overthrow the government and install a revolutionary government. This moment came in the now famous or infamous January Uprising or Spartacist uprising. Starting as a general strike, it quickly escalated to an armed uprising within berlin itself. It was expected that this uprising would have been strangled in the cradle, it was rather spontaneous and was seemingly outnumbered by the superior strength of government and paramilitary troops in the city. But in a twist of fate that would have been considered inconceivable, certain elements of the government forces mutined and joined the communists in the rebellion. The fighting was fierce, but the communists captured Berlin after five days of fighting. The German Democratic Republic was born with Karl Liebknecht being declared its first Chairman and General secretary.

However, just because Berlin was secured did not mean the rest of the country was. What followed next is known as the Bürgerkrieg. This civil war lasted from 1919 until 1921, which pitched the newly formed republic against various Right-wing paramilitaries and the old imperial army elements. Even the Entente, led by France, who grew alarmed with the rise of communism in Germany, intervened and invaded the Rhineland. The fighting was quite fierce, especially in the country's east, while guerrilla and regular forces continued to fight Entente forces in the Rhine Land. But by 1920 the cards started too fall in favor of the Germans. The Entente was growing increasingly tired of the bloodshed of a once again unmoving front line, and the seeming desperation of the Rightist forces in Germany negotiated a new armistice. However, an official treaty ending the war has never been signed to this day. With the full focus on the Volksarmee now on the rebels the civil war seemed to be coming to a close with the capture of Eastern Prussia. However, the war would claim one more high-profile casualty. On August 5th, 1921, Karl Liebknecht was assassinated by members of the Frikorps. His death immediately threw the part into a succession crisis that nearly derailed the war effort. The likes of Paul Levi, Ernst Thallman, Rosa Luxemburg and Werner Scholem vied for control of the party and the country. In the end however, it would be Thallman who won the support of the party as a whole. Ernst would promise too usher in a new era for Germany and Politeriate, and how right he was.

The start of the Thallman era would see the offcial end of the civil war a month later and the inevitable purges that came with it. Called bloody November this month would see the first of a series of large scale purges that would aim to eliminate all threats to Thallman's and the party's rule. Notible targets in these purges included Paul Levi, Rosa Luxemburg, A large part of the Old Prussian officer corps, various members of the royal families that had not yet fled Germany, and Otto Strasser, to name a few. He would also institute his 5-year plan, which served to rebuild German industry after two years of civil war. Though many would consider this plan harsh and unwieldy, Ernst would defend it as necessary to rebuild quickly after such a devastating war. Though the thousands that died to rebuild German industrial might, especially the convict labor, would disagree.

Though the Hallmark of his time in power by most would be the sudden expansion of communist power in Europe, especially in the east, where it was rumored he had a direct hand in the revolutions in Ukraine and Poland. Throughout the 20s, Thallman would focus on the ever-expanding needs of the Internationale while trying to keep his country and economy afloat. It was not until the 30's that he would begin to focus on his next goal, Military modernization.

It all started after a diplomatic incident with Danubia over the status of the Kaiser. Ernst had demanded the return of the Kaiser to Germany to face revolutionary justice. Vienna, of course, refused, and the situation appeared to be heading towards confrontation. But the intervention of the French forced Ernst to back down. And the Kaiser was moved to Italy, much to the German's fury. This humiliation nearly cost Thallman control of the party, forcing him to unleash yet another purge upon his own party to secure his power.

Thallman never forgot this humiliation, nor the invasion of the Rhineland back in 1919. In fact, he considered Germany surrounded on all sides, Poland not included, of course. So after the Kaiser affair of 1932, The GDR began a very public effort of military rearmament and modernization. This included significant investments into the Air Forces and mechanized warfare. This seems to have been a wise investment. For now, in 1938, the World appears to be on a precipice. The Russian State grows ever belligerent in the east while France eyes Germany with suspicion in the west. All the while, the workers of the World cry out for revolution and liberation. Germany and the Internationale will not ignore them. Meanwhile, Thallman wishes nothing more than vengeance on the French who have humiliated Germany and, more importantly, twice in over 19 years. War is indeed coming to Europe, and with any luck the reactionaries that oppose the Marxist-Thallmanist state will be drowned in a red tide.


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Postby Theyra » Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:45 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Theyra wrote:
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Full Nation Name: Durrani Empire


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You could increase the population a little. 24 million would be your population without your parts of Pakistan, and since Baluchistan is likely going to have around another million, so you could maybe go up to 26 million without any large issues.

For the military, what are the military numbers meant to represent? The entire active, standing force? The mobilised military? In case of the former, I'd have to request that you cut it by half please, as I am doubtful that a country of this massive land size, with this sort of small population and a likely very poorly developed infrastructure, would be capable of maintaining such a large force of professional, Western-style standing troops. Now if we are talking about, say, some sort of an Afghan religious militia or tribal irregulars I am certain that such a large standing force can be justified but I would appreciate if you would name it as such, so as to not confuse people what might be professional soldiers and what might be irregulars.

Moving on, the economy. The state industrializing, and trying to exploit its plentiful natural resources would make sense, but the rapid and advanced industrialization that seems to happen in your app is a bit too optimistic. I assume that you've realized that your mountainous areas would be a big impediment to industrialization and to infrastructure, if that's what you mean with this and if this is simply a mistake due to rushing the app (Which mainly in the non-mountainous regions of the empire are industrialized while the mountainous regions are mostly industrialized along with the more remote places in the empire), but fundamentally your geography works against you. It's most likely that your Pakistani areas would be the most industrialized, and industrialization could also happen in your major urban centers, but your center in Afghanistan would be in a rather bad position due to the highly mountainous nature of the country. Major cities in Afghanistan could have developing industries, but getting to and from them would be difficult as would be any infrastructure in the area, so it's up to your government whether they would have tried to spend effort here or to have focused on areas where this would have been easier. The northern territories of your country would however be largely rural, with the exception of those areas where there are natural resources to exploit, but even that would be limited. The steppes are too large, your political center is cut off from them by mountains. The situation could be a little better if you could find foreign nations which would have invested technology and capital into your country and your resources. Don't get me wrong, it's not like your country would not be industrialized - but your geography is working against you, so you couldn't have industrialized all your regions, particularly if the Durrani wasted effort industrializing Afghanistan's cities.


The history is overall alright, though changes to be made to reflect any changes in the economy section.


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Postby Intermountain States » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:07 pm

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1,400,000, out of 50,037,000? Good lord, how soon are you starting the war in Europe (same with Russia since they around 3 million men in the military out of their population of 107.5 million)?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:17 am

Theyra wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:You could increase the population a little. 24 million would be your population without your parts of Pakistan, and since Baluchistan is likely going to have around another million, so you could maybe go up to 26 million without any large issues.

For the military, what are the military numbers meant to represent? The entire active, standing force? The mobilised military? In case of the former, I'd have to request that you cut it by half please, as I am doubtful that a country of this massive land size, with this sort of small population and a likely very poorly developed infrastructure, would be capable of maintaining such a large force of professional, Western-style standing troops. Now if we are talking about, say, some sort of an Afghan religious militia or tribal irregulars I am certain that such a large standing force can be justified but I would appreciate if you would name it as such, so as to not confuse people what might be professional soldiers and what might be irregulars.

Moving on, the economy. The state industrializing, and trying to exploit its plentiful natural resources would make sense, but the rapid and advanced industrialization that seems to happen in your app is a bit too optimistic. I assume that you've realized that your mountainous areas would be a big impediment to industrialization and to infrastructure, if that's what you mean with this and if this is simply a mistake due to rushing the app (Which mainly in the non-mountainous regions of the empire are industrialized while the mountainous regions are mostly industrialized along with the more remote places in the empire), but fundamentally your geography works against you. It's most likely that your Pakistani areas would be the most industrialized, and industrialization could also happen in your major urban centers, but your center in Afghanistan would be in a rather bad position due to the highly mountainous nature of the country. Major cities in Afghanistan could have developing industries, but getting to and from them would be difficult as would be any infrastructure in the area, so it's up to your government whether they would have tried to spend effort here or to have focused on areas where this would have been easier. The northern territories of your country would however be largely rural, with the exception of those areas where there are natural resources to exploit, but even that would be limited. The steppes are too large, your political center is cut off from them by mountains. The situation could be a little better if you could find foreign nations which would have invested technology and capital into your country and your resources. Don't get me wrong, it's not like your country would not be industrialized - but your geography is working against you, so you couldn't have industrialized all your regions, particularly if the Durrani wasted effort industrializing Afghanistan's cities.


The history is overall alright, though changes to be made to reflect any changes in the economy section.


Okay edited. Better?

Almost perfect, I just need a further clarification about the army numbers because I'm not certain. Do you mean to say that you have a semi-volunteer official military numbering 500,000 men, and besides from that an extra irregular force of about 600,000 men?
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Postby Rygondria » Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:22 am

Intermountain States wrote:
Rygondria wrote:~snip

1,400,000, out of 50,037,000? Good lord, how soon are you starting the war in Europe (same with Russia since they around 3 million men in the military out of their population of 107.5 million)?

It’s more of the fact that they feel surrounded on all sides so they think they NEED the numbers more than anything, and if it helps those numbers are spread out throughout the whole military not just the army

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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:47 am

Krugmar wrote:
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Full Nation Name: the Roman State - Κράτος Ῥωμαίων

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Accepted!
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