2020: The Grand Game (CLOSED)

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Hmm, maybe I can use this to turn the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie into an economic bloc of former colonies, especially with no European economic-focused bloc.... plans start formulating in head.

I fully expect some kind of Angloisfrique to exist with the nations that were former Anglois colonies that later joined the Entente post-independence.

[Hypron]

Tons! Which would you be interested in?

France, Britain, Or The United States. Which one is empty?

Unfortunately, none of those. France and England are combined into the United Anglois Kingdom, which means no Great Britain, and the UASC (basically America) is reserved with an app in the making.

[Hypron]

Hmm, maybe I can use this to turn the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie into an economic bloc of former colonies, especially with no European economic-focused bloc.... plans start formulating in head.

I fully expect some kind of Angloisfrique to exist with the nations that were former Anglois colonies that later joined the Entente post-independence.

Yay, I'm now seeing the Entente Cordiale having an Anglois faction and a European faction. They're not hostile with each other, but the Entente seems to be divided in half between Anglois and its former Empire and the remaining states.

[The Omniversal Union of Anglosphere]

France, Britain, Or The United States. Which one is empty?

Unfortunately, none of those. France and England are combined into the United Anglois Kingdom, which means no Great Britain, and the UASC (basically America) is reserved with an app in the making.

Oh no. That's bad I was really looking forward to playing as one of them. But it is how it is. Thanks for informing me.

[Deblar]

There's also the National Socialism aspect of the ROC that the USSR has to worry about. The ethnic minorities might embrace it to escape from the Russian dominate Soviet state

National Socialism? Uh...

[Hypron]

I just thought of 2 more things:

1. Is the Dai Nippon Teikoku still ruled by the Taisei Yokusankai, or has their government changed in the 60+ years since the end of the Second World War?

2. Was the Anglois contribution to the Pacific War larger due to not having to fight a naval war in the Atlantic?

[Union Princes]

National Socialism? Uh...

Its this universe's version of the Nazbol ideology, combing Marxist theory with ethnic or cultural nationalism as well as capitalist policies

[Chewion]

Between a mega USA and a militarized China, I wonder who would scare the USSR more

Militarist and expansionist China certainly worries Moscow more, it's right on the border and there is historical precedent of enmity over the status of Mongolia and Vietnam.

The UASC is far away and the USSR is simply happy to trade with the Columbians and cooperate with them to defeat the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan (hopefully gaining some influence in the region in the process) while cracking down on mainly Kazakh jihadism in Turkestan.

[box]Fantastic UASC WIP

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Reserve me Spain-or Iberia I suppose in this world.

Done! Looking forward to the app!

Fixed it up. Looking forward to the IC and Europeans doing European things

Good job, accepted and welcome aboard! Time send some generals on a one-way trip to Siberia

Also, if you want to replace some of your T-72's with a few PT-17's and have some BWP 2000's instead of Rosomaks that is acceptable.

Added some history, not finished yet however.

Interesting interesting, I suppose the Anglois could have used the power-vacuum left by the Dutch in India to take it over as it doubled-down on it's colonialism under the Disraeli administration.

Intervention in UAR time

Fantastic groundwork on the app! Looking forward to the finished product!

Beautiful Romania app is beautiful

Fantastic work Ched, accepted! Welcome aboard!

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Hmmm, I'd prefer a Kingdom with duchies and principalities, but if Hypron is cool with an Empire in the commonwealth, I suppose I'll be too.

Regarding the economics maybe it could go up to some 1.8 billion if more manufacturing was retained, but that would also entail subsidies which would be an additional cost, maybe some protectionist tariffs to support domestic manufacturing as well, lessening import of cheaper goods from Indonesia or China.

Any countries that are vacant?

Tons! Which would you be interested in?

I'm asking these for further clarification on things:

1. So is the Cape Republic just the Apartheid SA government, or are there any pro-Anglois forces in the country, like the United Party (as an example)?
2. Would Anglois actually have any interest in reunifying the Union of South Africa, or are both players just not optimal for (further) Anglois intervention?

1: Yeah, though during the war they probably would have given the Asian and mixed Colored groups full citizenship to try and gain much needed bodies in uniform as well as theoretically to the Black population as well to avoid sanctions post-war but use some kind of underhanded legal technicalities for continued repression.

2: Hmmm maybe? There could be pro-Anglois groups gaining momentum across the Cape Republic since it's economy is dead in the water and internal unrest grip the nation. Anglois could be seen as a stabilizing force.

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ALSO MAP UPDATED!

In accordance with talking to UP and Hypron.

Also Chewion, Fiji was independent, I added it to Australasia if that is what you want and as it won't tip too many power-balance scales in the region.

Rosters of the Co-Prosperity Sphere and Shanghai Cooperation Organization updated as well since Tibet and the PRC have been retconned.

Awesome! I can remake it as a Kingdom, I was mainly going for empire due to other kings and the fact that it’s a multi-ethnic state.

[Danceria]

A few questions for the creation of the app of Iberia:

1) was there any French Revolution/Napoleon analogues?

2) Any former colonies of Iberia have some history you want to discuss with me?

4) How involved is the current Comintern in influencing other socialist parties in sovereign nations?

4) what the hell is an austerity crisis and why is 40% of my youth population unemployed aaa

[Sao Nova Europa]

A few questions for the creation of the app of Iberia:

1) was there any French Revolution/Napoleon analogues?

2) Any former colonies of Iberia have some history you want to discuss with me?

4) How involved is the current Comintern in influencing other socialist parties in sovereign nations?

4) what the hell is an austerity crisis and why is 40% of my youth population unemployed aaa

4) Welcome to the South. In (RL) Greece where I live that's the normal

Thankfully in this timeline Greece is doing better, so Iberia maybe is also doing better?

[Danceria]

4) Welcome to the South. In (RL) Greece where I live that's the normal

Thankfully in this timeline Greece is doing better, so Iberia maybe is also doing better?

Perhaps, however, I chose it because it was on the top 15 GDP (at 14, iirc). However, if it were a completely normal nation, I wouldn't be of much interest

Iberia would still suffer from separatism/regionalism (courtesy of Occitainia), and since there was no French Revolution analogue, it might be up to me to spread constitutionalism in Europe. Not without consequences, of course.

[Rygondria]

I fully expect some kind of Angloisfrique to exist with the nations that were former Anglois colonies that later joined the Entente post-independence.

Yay, I'm now seeing the Entente Cordiale having an Anglois faction and a European faction. They're not hostile with each other, but the Entente seems to be divided in half between Anglois and its former Empire and the remaining states.

Honestly I could see some Italian resentment if the alliance is too Anglois sphere dominated, especially since the Italians would want to be seen as a co equal and not like an Anglois sidekick. Not hostile obviously, but more willing to engage in foreign policy that might potentially conflict with Anglois interests

[Union Princes]

Depending if Japan is still an ultramilitarist nation, the country could be used by Columbia or the Entente as a chrck on ROC influence though don't count on Japan being able to take on the entire modern Chinese army unlike last time

[Hypron]

Depending if Japan is still an ultramilitarist nation, the country could be used by Columbia or the Entente as a chrck on ROC influence though don't count on Japan being able to take on the entire modern Chinese army unlike last time

The Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere is really just a massive pawn at this point... although one with a good economy.

[Union Princes]

A pawn with some huge liabilities against China. If the world technology is a lot like ours, then East Asia still produces 75% of the world microchip production and with Taiwan under Chinese control, the ROC has a monopoly on that market. Could really put the squeeze when someone gets too comfy with Japan

[Hypron]

Ah, well, I'm good then. Only things I need to secure in the Far East is Ceylon and Singapore, East Asia is not really my prime focus on things.

[Kenobot]

Fixed it up. Looking forward to the IC and Europeans doing European things

Good job, accepted and welcome aboard! Time send some generals on a one-way trip to Siberia

Also, if you want to replace some of your T-72's with a few PT-17's and have some BWP 2000's instead of Rosomaks that is acceptable.

Nah the current set up probably better reflects the economic abilities of Poland in this timeline.

But thank you! I guess my generals had better pack their winter gear...

[Union Princes]

Ah, well, I'm good then. Only things I need to secure in the Far East is Ceylon and Singapore, East Asia is not really my prime focus on things.

Might have to look into those colonies, especially Singapore, since it has a majority Chinese population. You might see a Nationalist Socialist Chinese Workers Party protesting about the British corporations and the low wages in the streets.

[Chedastan]

Now to plot for 89' Revolution Part Deux, 30 whole years in the making.

Y'know curiously, and I always kept forgetting this until I play as Romania, but Romania do be having a domestic arms manufacturing industry going on. The TR-85 deserving special mention, though I have no clue how capable they would really be in the current year, considering they're based on T-55s, a rather antiquated platform at this point. On the plus side they fire sabot so that's something.

[Honghai]

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Nationstates Name - Honghai
Nation Name -

• Spartan Somalia
• Spartanist Somalia
• Warlord Somalia
• Warlordist Somalia
• Somalia
• Kingdom of Somali Peoples
• Royalist State of Somalia

Capital - Ankhtar-on-Allison
Type of Government - Spartan-based Warlordism and/or Policestate under a Monarchist-Royalist guise with an economy ran under Mercantilism and Autarchy
Ideological Leanings -

• Technocracy/Transhumanism
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• Communism (Laborism-Unionism)
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• Plutocracy/Anarcho-Capitalism
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• Ultravisionaryism/Technosocialism
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• Democratism
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Party in Power - United Somalia (US)
Head of State - Queen Natasha Vermonnienne, the First Of Her Name
Image of HoS -

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Executive Title - Queen
Head of Government - N/A (the Head of State is also the Head of Gov't)
Image of HoG - N/A (the Head of State is also the Head of Gov't)
Gov't Title - N/A (the Head of State is also the Head of Gov't)
Flag -

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• https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/1e/7d/931e7d5ed1b2e6c466cea46c44d7240a.jpg

Total Population - 11,676,274
Demographics - Because of mass immigration into the Horn-of-Africa before the creation of the Somalian State, Somalia is 95% of European descent, 4% African/"Black", and 1% Indian or Southeast Asian.

Military Branches -

• The Somalian Royal Guard
• The Somalian Royal Navy
• The Somalian Royal Antiterrorism Squad
• The Somalian Royal Airforce
• The Somalian Royal Marines
• The Black Sceptre (personal paramilitary for the House of Vermonnienne)

Total military size - 165,000
Breakdown of Ground Sector -
Breakdown of Naval Sector -
Breakdown of Airforce Sector -
Major foreign military suppliers [If Applicable] -
Extra military information -

GDP - 515.33 billion Somalian Bandi
Currency - The Somalian Bandi
Major import/export partners - N/A - Autarchy is enforced.

Public Goals - Peace in Africa.
Private Goals -

• Domination of the Horn-of-Africa and East Africa
• reinstalling France and getting rid of Anglois - also solving the problem of the French Diaspora in parts of Africa
• fully driving out the Germans from Central Africa and the Congo
• The abolition of the Anglois Empire, particularly in/around Africa.
• Wiping-out all of the Communists from East Africa and the Horn-of-Africa

Major Domestic Issues -

• Pending civil-war and political terrorism by/from all 6 ideologies that want to hold power in the Horn-of-Africa
• massive strife caused by the Monarchy - the Somalian Populace is a very unhappy one, coming from generation after generation after generation of having no rights or Freedom.
• famine after famine after famine which strikes the Somali Peoples.

Major Foreign Issues - The Wars-in-Africa threaten to spillover to the Horn-of-Africa and affect Somalia.

History -

Somalia/the Horn-of-Africa sees heavy Eurasian immigration and colonization - the reason for such an overly-white populace in these parts.

In/around Somalia, was a bunch of Apartheidist states - mainly in South Africa and Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), though Somalia funded French rebels in the Segregationist/Apartheidist regimes, causing the regimes to spiral into Anarchy and chaos. In the Past, the White population (pre-immigrating to the lands that became Somalia) heavily supported the French and French culture. Africa largely seen French mercenaries and revolutionaries - especially in/around Algeria, Chad, Mauritania, Morocco, (parts of Tunisia) and the rest of North Africa. Some of the French became Islamicized in what became Libya and Egypt, but the rest of the French moved in/around Africa until they met-up with the other "Whites" in the Horn-of-Africa. They didn't go to Central Africa because the Congo and the regions around it were German-dominated, and the French had had enough with both the English and German peoples.

The Whites would form the first Somalian state, and also vowing to protect the Horn-of-Africa from the chaos that seemed to engulf the rest of the world. This "First Somalian State" based itself mostly in Greco-Roman and Scandinavian Mythologies, explaining the "Spartan" parts. The Spartans made a very deep impression on the Whites that fled to the Horn-of-Africa - also because these Whites were Paganist (which, with the formation of Somalia, causes Somalia to be heavily Pagan) and worshipped the goddesses Athena and Venus. With this, Somalia became very warrior-oriented but also "radically libertarian" and progressive compared to the rest of its African counterparts.

The Zulu, Bantu and other South African tribes would also flee into the Horn-of-Africa, fearing the deaths of their cultures. Since Somalia was Spartan, the Zulu would essentially feel like they're at-home. This also caused Somalia to become a regime made-up of warlords and warrior tribesmen. Overtime, a Policestate started to rise in Somalia, as the Somalian Warlords and Clans feared the "loss of law-and-order" (read: the gaining of Civil Liberties and Justice) in/around Somalia. Somalian Policemen would quickly become a part of the Regime, and the Somalian State would crackdown on any element which "threatened" it, actually threatening it or plain-and-simply "being a public nuisance."

With enough time, the clans and warlords formed a class in Somalia and began their "disguise" of Monarchism. To seem like "A normal state," the Somalia warlords formed various dynasties up until the Vermonnienne House was made.

Throughout the 1800s, Somalia would see a rise in Communism with the Labour Movement and other Communist movements rising throughout East Africa/the Horn-of-Africa. The Laborists deeply-threatened the status-quo in Somalia, which the Somalian "Monarchs" were intensely angered by and proceeded to brutally stomp out the Laborists. The Labour Movement still held-onto Somalia and the Horn-of-Africa, birthing the Unionists who would pick-up where the Laborists left-off but would also fight for Unions and the growth of said-Unions.

Then, the Technocrats and Transhumanists proceeded to rise, claiming that "much of Africas' problems are caused by widespread lack-of-knowledge and disease. The continent is in a perpetual state of Chaos only Science and the Technical Alliance can change." The Ultravisionaries liked what they heard from Technocrat, but hated that this technocracy would be a capitalistic "money-induced" one instead of one based in the tenets of Communism, so the movements under Technosocialism would uprise, blaming both Technocratic and Communistic parties and saying that "Pure Laborism-Unionism only leads to strife. Technocracy-under-Capitalism is no different."

Somalia witnessed the three ideologies wage an ideological war within it, which was responsible for the Somalian Monarchy to crackdown further - not just on Communists, but also beginning crackdowns on Technocrats and Technosocialists. "Technology and Machines threaten the status-quo of Warrior-based society. Africa doesn't know what a robot is, but we know what spears are. Go with what we know instead of endless predictions about and on 'The Future,' because there is only a future under Athena!" Secretly though, Plutocrats were gaining power. Anarcho-Capitalist ideas were starting to unleash themselves. Democratism rose-up because the Somalians tired of not having rights - and they'd also seen the oppression Democratic ideals faced.

New Wave Democrats, or Democratists want a decentralized, hyperdevolved gov't (often almost to the point of Anarchism or Minarchism) with either a SocDem or Laissez-faire system of economics - mostly. It has been separated into numerous Progressivist, Liberalist and Hyperliberal "wings" with a few Conservatives and Right-leaning individuals there. The Environmentalists, Naturists and Conservationists are a very-loud and vocal, but fringe element of Democratism. Democratism has a few proponents of Hobbesism and Libertarianism, but the rest of the "Archliberals" and Libertarians often tend to be AnCaps or pro-Oligarchy and/or Plutocracy in some way/shape/form.

The Technocrats/Transhumanists, Communists and Technosocialists openly-clamored and fought for their rights - the AnCaps, Plutocrats and New Wave Democrats covertly soiled the Monarchist Somali System until the Somalian Royals were forced to introduce reforms - creating the United Somalian Party - though essentially Somalia went from a brutal Monarchist-Royalist system to a "brutal" one-party state that tried to seem democratic and capitalist. A few of the reforms proposed under the Avantgardists and Futurists would be enacted, but most of the Technosphere and Materialists would still be unsatisfied. Atheism and Secularism slowly crept into the Paganist society, though there was still a huge pushback towards Atheism, Agnosticism and any organization or movement that was anti-Religion or tried to minimize the Religious Element.

Lastly, Somalian soldiers would be sent to the rest of Africa to "peacekeep." Fearing what happened to the African Continent, the Somalian State would heavily militarize and create firearms of all kinds for their armies. Numerous "bands" and "squads" would be formed, with the Somalians "peacekeeping" in the Congo and in South Africa. The Vermonnienne House would crown Natasha Vermonnienne as their Queen, she becoming the first of their name to rule Somalia. The Vermonienne have been making many a deal throughout Somalia and the Horn-of-Africa, creating and resting on their newly-found power. Queen Vermonnienne I gave lip-service to the Progressive movement within the New Wave of Democrats, but largely-speaking, this means nothing. Somalia still refuses to change from its past and adapt to the Future.

[Kenobot]

Now to plot for 89' Revolution Part Deux, 30 whole years in the making.

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Y'know curiously, and I always kept forgetting this until I play as Romania, but Romania do be having a domestic arms manufacturing industry going on. The TR-85 deserving special mention, though I have no clue how capable they would really be in the current year, considering they're based on T-55s, a rather antiquated platform at this point. On the plus side they fire sabot so that's something.

ooo Polish-Romanian anti-Soviet alliance time soon? Maybe call it the Warsaw Pact

[Chedastan]

Now to plot for 89' Revolution Part Deux, 30 whole years in the making.

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Y'know curiously, and I always kept forgetting this until I play as Romania, but Romania do be having a domestic arms manufacturing industry going on. The TR-85 deserving special mention, though I have no clue how capable they would really be in the current year, considering they're based on T-55s, a rather antiquated platform at this point. On the plus side they fire sabot so that's something.

ooo Polish-Romanian anti-Soviet alliance time soon? Maybe call it the Warsaw Pact

I'm liking the irony already

Of course if we wanted to be really sticking it home, we'd call it the Between Seas Alliance or something.

[Hypron]

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Umm, why exactly would the French hate the English and Somalia hate the Anglois when A. it was the Italians who colonized Somalia and B. When the French and the English are basically in the same boat of mass colonization? This entire thing relies on the French colonists in Africa doing what the French wouldn't do, the Italians not saying to Anglois "Umm, there's a lot of French coming into Somalia, can you fix that?" and then we fix that, so none of this makes no sense.

[Hypron]

ooo Polish-Romanian anti-Soviet alliance time soon? Maybe call it the Warsaw Pact

I'm liking the irony already

Of course if we wanted to be really sticking it home, we'd call it the Between Seas Alliance or something.

Observes from corner drinking tea and eating croissants...

[Kenobot]

ooo Polish-Romanian anti-Soviet alliance time soon? Maybe call it the Warsaw Pact

I'm liking the irony already

Of course if we wanted to be really sticking it home, we'd call it the Between Seas Alliance or something.

Hmmm would a hypothetical Yugoslavia, Finland, Bulgaria or Hungary join up I wonder…
But would probably make more sense for us to seek the Entente’s protection, but more specifically the Anglois