A War of Blood and Steel [Althis|PT|OOC|Ended]

[Tracian Empire]

Since I still have an urge to be in the rp.

Reservation

Nation Name: Sultanate of Egypt
Territory: Egypt, Sudan(Before South Sudan became independent)
Tech Tree: British?
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*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Reservation accepted!

As for the tech tree, Egypt itself wouldn't have the industrial might to have the British tech tree. So you'd have two potential choices - the first is to go with an Egyptian tech tree, and what that would involve would essentially be, like in real life, plenty of bought and licensed British equipment.


Alternatively, if you want to have Egypt be somewhat industrialized, and want it to have its own native industry and designs, you could maybe look at something like Finnish tech as an example of what a nation that doesn't have a lot of industry can do.

[Tracian Empire]

No Shanghai International Concession? What a shame.

On a broader note, East Asia is going to be politically uninteresting if the two premier powers of the region are amicable to each other. Maybe the United States is interested in throwing a monkey wrench in that relationship.

That I do agree with. As nice as the idea of a Nanjing-Tokyo Axis is, politically Asia wouldn't be fun if its two main powers completely get along. The two nations can of course cooperate against European imperialism, but I do personally feel like there could be plenty of tensions which would make the situation more interesting.

[Tracian Empire]

Greetings. I'd like to probe about a reservation on Britain. If someone's already expressed interest in it I'd gladly look to reserve something else, maybe Poland.

Britain is certainly free. Do you want me to also give you the British colonies that are still free?

[Elerian]

Still working on my concept for Italy, so I'm gonna need some more time.

[Kenobot]

Finally completed the app. Let me know if you need me to flesh anything out further

Nation Application

Full Nation Name: The Union of India

Short Nation Name: India

National Symbols: National Flag
National Emblem
Seal of the Parliament of India
Coat of Arms of the Union of India

Capital: New Delhi

Territory: India, Pakistan, Burma, Bangladesh

Form of Government: Westminster system Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy

Head of State: King George V (Represented by the Governor-General, His Excellency The Most Honourable The Marquess of Linlithgow, Governor-General of India, KT, GCSI, GCIE, OBE, TD, PC)

Head of Government: Prime Minister Sikandar Hayat Khan

Ideology: Conservative Unionist (Liberal [Swaraj] Opposition)

Population: 399, 305, 300

Military Description:

The Indian Army

The Indian Army, reformed from the British Indian Army in 1920 upon Home Rule, is an all-volunteer force standing some 200,000 strong. Armed and equipped through the Royal Arsenals of Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta, the Indian Army is primarily armed with the Lee–Enfield No. 1 Mk V, with 2000 Lee-Enfield Rifle No. 4s also in trials before full-scale production begins. 2000 Thompson Sub-machine guns were acquired from the US in 1935 and are currently only in limited service with the Governor-General’s Bodyguard Regiment.
The Indian Army has begun to receive the first of their 50 Cruiser Mk1 tanks, with 10 having already arrived from Britain. Begun in 1920, the Indianisation of the Indian Army has been a long and slow process, but the process is expected to be completed by 1940.

The Royal Indian Air Force is a small and inexperienced force; perhaps the most underdeveloped Part of India’s armed forces, but should war come to the Indian subcontinent, the great hope is that Britain and India’s fellow dominions will come to their rescue.

The Royal Indian Navy is no laughing matter, while an inexperienced force and largely staffed with Anglo-Indian Officers, their ships are numerous and strong. Upon independence in 1920, Britain gifted the new Dominion three ships to serve as the anchor for any future force; the former HMS Emperor of India (Now HMIS Hindustan), Former HMS Ajax (Now HMIS Bombay) and former HMS Tiger (HMIS Calcutta). Since then, the Royal Indian Navy has acquired half a dozen small frigates, with plans afoot to acquire a cruiser and three destroyers.

Tech Tree: Indian

Economic Description: Upon independence in 1920, the Indian economy initially suffered a collapse as the structural features of the economy fractured overnight. With assistance from Britain and a booming commodities market throughout the rest of the 1920s, the Indian economy had managed to recover by 1927, with new investments in the Indian industrial capacity from both private capital, provincial governments and the government in Delhi. With the crash of 1929, India like most other nations, suffered immensely, with over a million dying in a famine in Bengal. After reading the works of Lord Keynes in 1933, the opposition Unionist Party led by Sikandar Hayat Khan adopted many of the ideas advocated by Keynes in his book The Means to Prosperity. Following election victory in 1934, Khan put these policies into action; growing the Indian economy to reap the taxation value from this growth. In 1936, the Indian economy grew an amazing 8% in that year alone.

Goals: Continuation of British influence in South and East Asia, Grow Indian economy, Maintain the balance of power in the region.

Point of Divergence: Following the conclusion of the Great War, the colonial authorities follow through on their promise of Home Rule for India. Princely States were abolished and princes compensated.

History: When Britain was at her most desperate during the Great War, she called upon the British Indian Army to come to her aid, and if they did, India would be granted Home Rule like the other dominions. From Gallipoli, Egypt and Palestine in the East to Ypres, the Somme and Cambrai in the West, India delivered Britain her best and more, coming through on her promises. Following the end of the war, negotiations were held between leaders of the Home Rule movement in India, the colonial authorities and the British government over how Home Rule India would look. Months were spent researching and negotiating a result, but in the end India would become a dominion of the British Empire. In 1931, Britain enacted the Statute of Westminster which released its dominions from many of their previous obligations to Britain and established the independence of dominion legislatures from that of the United Kingdom. India was one of the first dominions to enact this proposal.

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[Costa Fierro]

Is Germany still unified in this timeline or is it a collection of breakaway states?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Is Germany still unified in this timeline or is it a collection of breakaway states?

As it currently stands it’s united, but that could be changed. What do you have in mind?

[Costa Fierro]

Is Germany still unified in this timeline or is it a collection of breakaway states?

As it currently stands it’s united, but that could be changed. What do you have in mind?

Quite possibly the Rhenish Republic as a quasi-French protectorate, or a Danubian-puppet state in Bavaria. Alternatively there's also Socialist Transylvania.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

As it currently stands it’s united, but that could be changed. What do you have in mind?

Quite possibly the Rhenish Republic as a quasi-French protectorate, or a Danubian-puppet state in Bavaria. Alternatively there's also Socialist Transylvania.

I’d be willing to lift part of my reservation for either one

I’m gonna go back to sleep first, though, so I’ll see how all this boils over in the morning, ciao!

[Costa Fierro]

Quite possibly the Rhenish Republic as a quasi-French protectorate, or a Danubian-puppet state in Bavaria. Alternatively there's also Socialist Transylvania.

I’d be willing to lift part of my reservation for either one

I’m gonna go back to sleep first, though, so I’ll see how all this boils over in the morning, ciao!

Depends on what people prefer.

[Tracian Empire]

I’d be willing to lift part of my reservation for either one

I’m gonna go back to sleep first, though, so I’ll see how all this boils over in the morning, ciao!

Depends on what people prefer.

Well, I obviously wouldn't mind a Danubian puppet state in Bavaria, but I'm probably a little biased on the matter

What's most important is what you'd like the most, all of three of them could be very interesting additions.

If I were to look at it as objectively as possible, then the order of importance would probably be Rheinish Republic, then Bavaria, and then Transylvania.

[Costa Fierro]

Depends on what people prefer.

Well, I obviously wouldn't mind a Danubian puppet state in Bavaria, but I'm probably a little biased on the matter

What's most important is what you'd like the most, all of three of them could be very interesting additions.

If I were to look at it as objectively as possible, then the order of importance would probably be Rheinish Republic, then Bavaria, and then Transylvania.

The Rhenish Republic has the benefit of having possession of the Krupp and Rheinmetall factories within its territory but that severely limits whoever plays as Germany. Alternatively Germany has all the major aircraft and small arms manufacturers which limits the Rhenish to be dependent on the French for what they can't produce themselves. I kinda don't want to hamstring the German player by essentially having both major armaments factories, but at the same time it would be interesting to RP.

Bavaria has the benefit of both being German, existing in a way that could become a sour point between the two entities as well as having potential access to both tech trees (although the Czechs have some decent stuff already, but mainly Austrian as well as some Swiss armaments). There's also few limitations on the German player save for no access to BMW or Messerschmitt (both of which are Bavarian companies).

It's a case of how hamstrung does the German player want to be.

[Tracian Empire]

Well, I obviously wouldn't mind a Danubian puppet state in Bavaria, but I'm probably a little biased on the matter

What's most important is what you'd like the most, all of three of them could be very interesting additions.

If I were to look at it as objectively as possible, then the order of importance would probably be Rheinish Republic, then Bavaria, and then Transylvania.

The Rhenish Republic has the benefit of having possession of the Krupp and Rheinmetall factories within its territory but that severely limits whoever plays as Germany. Alternatively Germany has all the major aircraft and small arms manufacturers which limits the Rhenish to be dependent on the French for what they can't produce themselves. I kinda don't want to hamstring the German player by essentially having both major armaments factories, but at the same time it would be interesting to RP.

Bavaria has the benefit of both being German, existing in a way that could become a sour point between the two entities as well as having potential access to both tech trees (although the Czechs have some decent stuff already, but mainly Austrian as well as some Swiss armaments). There's also few limitations on the German player save for no access to BMW or Messerschmitt (both of which are Bavarian companies).

It's a case of how hamstrung does the German player want to be.

Yeah, all of this is true and makes sense. In that case, and since such a reservation would only be dependent on him, we could wait a few more hours until Warglorian wakes up and gives us his thoughts. He did say that he was willing to lift his reservation for either one, but maybe knowing the effects in more detail would make him lean towards one or the other.

Or if he continues to be alright with both of them, you could choose whichever you like, and if you're not sure what to choose, we can just flip a coin xD

[Finland SSR]

Agh so close to getting Germany, should have noticed the RP earlier. Ah well.

Reservation

Nation Name: Republic of Poland
Territory: Whatever's left of Polish territory in 1939.
Tech Tree: Polish tree
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[Tracian Empire]

Agh so close to getting Germany, should have noticed the RP earlier. Ah well.

Reservation

Nation Name: Republic of Poland
Territory: Whatever's left of Polish territory in 1939.
Tech Tree: Polish tree
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Well, if Germany does by chance become free in the future, you'll be the first to know

But Poland is indeed mostly free now, so reservation accepted.

The map hasn't been updated yet,but Lithuania no longer exists as a claim, so most of interwar Poland is free with the exception of a few provinces that belong to the USSR.

[Tracian Empire]

I'm afraid that there would be some issues with both ideas, but both are conceptually related to the idea that any nation would have found it difficult to take over and control Alexandria as an exclave. Failures of the Byzantines to take back the city, and of the crusaders to attack it come to mind as good examples. Even in more modern times, unless you're a colonial power, maintaining such an exclave would be difficult. At the very most it would be a very recent thing, and it wouldn't have particularly been a center of Christian population as far as I know, since despite its importance to the Copts and other Christian groups, said groups were pushed towards more rural areas by Muslim oppression.

Secondly, no such massive move of Christians could have happened. Coptic Christians remained a sizeable minority in Egypt in real life despite Muslim oppression, and I don't see why they would move to Rome at any point in time. So if you want to do something with the Christians in Egypt, you need to focus on the Copts.

And finally, I am admittedly also a little confused by your concept. The Ghassanids were pretty much absorbed by the Arabs early on during the Islam conquests. Even if they didn't, and they somehow survived, why would the Christian Arabs and Syriacs and other such ethnic groups living in Palestine adopt the Ghassanid identity. How would you explain it?

And the 48 hours would apply after your reservation is accepted, so don't worry

Ok, you're right about the Ghassanids struggling to control Alexandria, I just thought it would be a cool or interesting concept. If I did the Ghassanid Kingdom without Alexandria, would you be more likely to accept my reservation?

The Egyptian Christians moving to the Roman empire was from the Roman player's alt-his. I just built off of that.

The Ghassanids were not really absorbed; they already are Arab. A few converted to Islam but most simply joined Christian Arab communities, which still exist in the real world (most notably in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Egypt). Also, Ghassanid is not an identity, its a ruling group. The population and the Ghassanids themselves were Arab or Arabized. (The old Ghassanids were actually Yemeni Arabs but that's irrelevant.) The basic idea for this country was that Christian Arabs put a descendant of the old Ghassanid dynasty on the throne.

My bad - I wasn't sure if that part about the Christians was supposed to have happened recently or during the initial fall of Egypt, I also didn't directly connect you calling it Rome to the Roman Empire. I assumed that you were talking about Christians emigrating from Egypt at some point during the Muslim Invasions of Egypt and headed for Italy or something.

So essentially your concept is a state led by Christian Arabs (a plurality?, or just a strong minority?), led by a royal descentant of the Ghassanids. Alright, that is a lot more feasible. I'll accept your reservation without Alexandria, and we'll see whether your concept will work or not based on your app.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Hey Finland SSR, I would be willing to concede the parts of eastern Poland I currently hold as the Soviets if OP's say we are allowed to change claims post-acceptance.

Also, given any thought to how the Silesian Rebellions turned out for Poland in this timeline? As the did historically?

[Tracian Empire]

Hey Finland SSR, I would be willing to concede the parts of eastern Poland I currently hold as the Soviets if OP's say we are allowed to change claims post-acceptance.

Also, given any thought to how the Silesian Rebellions turned out for Poland in this timeline? As the did historically?

I was just about to ask whether you could give up the two provinces that you have xD

Yeah, I'll change them without an issue.

There is also the matter of Eastern Belarus that has now been left free without Lithuania. I could give it to you as compensation, and if you want, the two of you could start in the IC with the Baltics divided between yourselves, you can expand your claims, however, my personal advice would be to leave them and maybe also Eastern Belarus as they are, since they could be turned into NPC's and a competition over them ICly could be a lot more interesting than just starting with them already occupied.

[Finland SSR]

Hey Finland SSR, I would be willing to concede the parts of eastern Poland I currently hold as the Soviets if OP's say we are allowed to change claims post-acceptance.

Also, given any thought to how the Silesian Rebellions turned out for Poland in this timeline? As the did historically?

I was just about to ask whether you could give up the two provinces that you have xD

Yeah, I'll change them without an issue.

There is also the matter of Eastern Belarus that has now been left free without Lithuania. I could give it to you as compensation, and if you want, the two of you could start in the IC with the Baltics divided between yourselves, you can expand your claims, however, my personal advice would be to leave them and maybe also Eastern Belarus as they are, since they could be turned into NPC's and a competition over them ICly could be a lot more interesting than just starting with them already occupied.

I'm fine with that, I can leave the eastern territory of Poland for NPCs and just keep the Polish heartland.

[Tracian Empire]

I was just about to ask whether you could give up the two provinces that you have xD

Yeah, I'll change them without an issue.

There is also the matter of Eastern Belarus that has now been left free without Lithuania. I could give it to you as compensation, and if you want, the two of you could start in the IC with the Baltics divided between yourselves, you can expand your claims, however, my personal advice would be to leave them and maybe also Eastern Belarus as they are, since they could be turned into NPC's and a competition over them ICly could be a lot more interesting than just starting with them already occupied.

I'm fine with that, I can leave the eastern territory of Poland for NPCs and just keep the Polish heartland.

There are literally two provinces that the USSR had in the previous map, all else is free, and the Soviets keeping them looks rather ugly.

https://imgur.com/E69zXVL

So unless you literally don't want them at all, I'd be inclined to give them to you.

[Finland SSR]

I'm fine with that, I can leave the eastern territory of Poland for NPCs and just keep the Polish heartland.

There are literally two provinces that the USSR had in the previous map, all else is free, and the Soviets keeping them looks rather ugly.

https://imgur.com/E69zXVL

So unless you literally don't want them at all, I'd be inclined to give them to you.

Oh, I thought that if we are removing the Lithuania player's claim then I can abandon the intrusion into Lithuania and Belarus completely, and instead have it be controlled by NPCs, with a border like this for Poland - https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... nknown.png

[Tracian Empire]

There are literally two provinces that the USSR had in the previous map, all else is free, and the Soviets keeping them looks rather ugly.

https://imgur.com/E69zXVL

So unless you literally don't want them at all, I'd be inclined to give them to you.

Oh, I thought that if we are removing the Lithuania player's claim then I can abandon the intrusion into Lithuania and Belarus completely, and instead have it be controlled by NPCs, with a border like this for Poland - https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... nknown.png

If that's what you want then sure. I will keep those areas free for the time being, maybe we'll get lucky and get another player there, if not we'll set up NPC's based on the region's history.

[Tracian Empire]

Exil is going to update the OP when he finds some internet, until then here is the map, pending a few more colonial acquisitions by Britain once I get an answer from its player.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Oh, I thought that if we are removing the Lithuania player's claim then I can abandon the intrusion into Lithuania and Belarus completely, and instead have it be controlled by NPCs, with a border like this for Poland - https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... nknown.png

If that's what you want then sure. I will keep those areas free for the time being, maybe we'll get lucky and get another player there, if not we'll set up NPC's based on the region's history.

Gonna be interesting to have some kind of "Ruthenian Republic" in Belarus or something. Formed out of the WW1 German regional authorities perhaps?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Well, I obviously wouldn't mind a Danubian puppet state in Bavaria, but I'm probably a little biased on the matter

What's most important is what you'd like the most, all of three of them could be very interesting additions.

If I were to look at it as objectively as possible, then the order of importance would probably be Rheinish Republic, then Bavaria, and then Transylvania.

The Rhenish Republic has the benefit of having possession of the Krupp and Rheinmetall factories within its territory but that severely limits whoever plays as Germany. Alternatively Germany has all the major aircraft and small arms manufacturers which limits the Rhenish to be dependent on the French for what they can't produce themselves. I kinda don't want to hamstring the German player by essentially having both major armaments factories, but at the same time it would be interesting to RP.

Bavaria has the benefit of both being German, existing in a way that could become a sour point between the two entities as well as having potential access to both tech trees (although the Czechs have some decent stuff already, but mainly Austrian as well as some Swiss armaments). There's also few limitations on the German player save for no access to BMW or Messerschmitt (both of which are Bavarian companies).

It's a case of how hamstrung does the German player want to be.

Well, obviously, I’d rather not have the Rhineland disappear on me: that’d definitely leave me very hamstrung. At the same time, however, it could be the perfect opportunity to balance out the fact that my Germany is Socialist and therefore is likely to side with the USSR. At the same time, however, losing the Rhineland just makes me even MORE likely to become a puppet of the USSR as I become reliant on their industrial capabilities, which doesn’t bode well for the balance of power in Europe.

Though thinking about it, having the Rhineland get taken from me would also make sense if I became DNVP or Valkist Germany (considering the whole Revanchism thing) and open me to other potential avenues of alliance I wouldn’t have as a Socialist.

I think the Bavarian State would probably be the most middle ground one: it weakens Germany by a decent amount but doesn’t cripple it (I mean yes, losing Messerschmitt is a bit of an arse, but I still have Focke-Wulffe) which allows me to create a Socialist Germany not reliant on and so more likely to oppose the USSR, which is better for the long term balance of power.

And Transylvania? No offence to Tracia, but it doesn’t seem like a place you could do much of anything frankly, and I wouldn’t want to force a boring game onto you .

Overall, I don’t really mind (I mean, yes, I do personally mind, might even be slightly annoyed, but it won’t go beyond that).