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Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:55 pmby South Americanastan
Reverend Norv wrote:South Americanastan wrote:I mean, Smith isn't going to pursue relations with the Reich, for both "It's the Nazis" and political reasons (About 45-55% of Rhodesian Whites are only there because they fled from the Reich), so at least I have that going for me. Also, I wouldn't necessarily call it a coup, as it's through perfectly legal means (The RF manages to flip two URP Representatives, giving them the majority), and they're looking for a peaceful settlement with Britain. So at least I have that going for me.
None of that means that it won't be exceptionally embarrassing for the U.S. to publicly praise Huggins' reforms in front of the entire world, and then immediately have Huggins booted from power and his reforms reversed. Truman will quite understandably want to repair that damage as efficiently as possible. A superpower deciding to invest itself in your domestic affairs is a dangerous thing, after all.
Yeah. Right now, Smith is going to attempt to preserve relations with both the US and Britain (With what time he can spare when he's not praying that the Democrats win the 1952 Election) Worst comes to worst, he'll pretend to support them while consistently "postponing" the reforms for a later date.
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:45 pmby Union Princes
If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:54 pmby Monsone
Union Princes wrote:If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.
Well, depends on who it is between. Because it might be similar to IRL except the USSR being replaced by Italy and Germany.
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:56 pmby Union Princes
I think it's Egypt vs Italy, Germany, and the US over who would get the Canal. India will back Egypt as back of the third world movement.
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:12 pmby Yaruqo
Union Princes wrote:If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.
Syria would definitely back Egypt in a Suez Crisis scenario.
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Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:58 pmby Nancivania
Since it looks like the US is going with an alt-hist version of the FBI imma cheekily rob them of the acronym for my own intelligence agency
Finnish Bureau of Investigations has a nice ring to it
Posted:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:52 amby Arvenia
Union Princes wrote:I think it's Egypt vs Italy, Germany, and the US over who would get the Canal. India will back Egypt as back of the third world movement.
Foreigners can never have the Suez Canal! Egypt will emerge victorious!
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:26 amby Arvenia
Monsone wrote:Union Princes wrote:If the Suez Crisis happens, India will back Egypt.
Well, depends on who it is between. Because it might be similar to IRL except the USSR being replaced by Italy and Germany.
It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:36 amby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
Arvenia wrote:Monsone wrote:Well, depends on who it is between. Because it might be similar to IRL except the USSR being replaced by Italy and Germany.
It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.
Why would the US support Italian control over the Canal?
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:43 amby Arvenia
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Arvenia wrote:It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.
Why would the US support Italian control over the Canal?
I wonder too.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:22 amby Monsone
Arvenia wrote:It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.
Why would the US team up with Germany and Italy to control the Suez? Wouldn't the US just want the canal to itself to excert greater control over the EEC and Germany specifically?
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:36 amby Arvenia
Monsone wrote:Arvenia wrote:It is more like France, Israel and the UK being replaced by Italy, Germany and the US.
Why would the US team up with Germany and Italy to control the Suez? Wouldn't the US just want the canal to itself to excert greater control over the EEC and Germany specifically?
I don't think the US would team up with Germany and Italy, but those countries still wants to control the Suez Canal. This conflict would possibly be a three-sided war, I think.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:51 amby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
Arvenia wrote:Monsone wrote:Why would the US team up with Germany and Italy to control the Suez? Wouldn't the US just want the canal to itself to excert greater control over the EEC and Germany specifically?
I don't think the US would team up with Germany and Italy, but those countries still wants to control the Suez Canal. This conflict would possibly be a three-sided war, I think.
Or the US could choose to support the Egyptian government, expecting concessions in return.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:56 amby Deblar
Finally got a post up.
seized a British shipping vessel, life good
Posted:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:01 amby Arvenia
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Arvenia wrote:I don't think the US would team up with Germany and Italy, but those countries still wants to control the Suez Canal. This conflict would possibly be a three-sided war, I think.
Or the US could choose to support the Egyptian government, expecting concessions in return.
What concessions? The Suez Canal will still be Egyptian property.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:22 amby Mifan
Arvenia wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Or the US could choose to support the Egyptian government, expecting concessions in return.
What concessions? The Suez Canal will still be Egyptian property.
Probably not allowing Italian or German ships to pass through. Or allowing US forces to be stationed within the nation. A lot of options here.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:28 amby Reverend Norv
Mifan wrote:Arvenia wrote:What concessions? The Suez Canal will still be Egyptian property.
Probably not allowing Italian or German ships to pass through. Or allowing US forces to be stationed within the nation. A lot of options here.
Exactly. The U.S. will back Egypt in any contest over control of the Canal. It will just expect Egypt to support some American priorities in return: most likely free access for all merchant shipping in peacetime, free access to the Canal for the U.S. Navy, and closure of the Canal to Axis forces in the event of a conflict. The U.S. doesn't need to control the canal; it just needs to make sure that Rome and Berlin
don't control it. In that sense, American and Egyptian interests are aligned.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:41 amby Union Princes
Hey Norv, will MLK go to India to pay tribute to Gandhi's funeral? Or maybe Malcom X instead?
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:44 amby Reverend Norv
Union Princes wrote:Hey Norv, will MLK go to India to pay tribute to Gandhi's funeral? Or maybe Malcom X instead?
In 1952, neither man is really prominent yet. That's why it was Ralph Abernathy who had a prominent role in my post; he was the oldest of that generation of civil rights leaders. And no one in the Double V Campaign, in this timeline, wants to run the political risk of associating with Gandhi. As inspirational as they find him, they don't want to be accused of "having friends in common with Adolf." So probably the U.S. ambassador to India will attend and say a few polite words, and that will be all.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:56 amby Arvenia
Reverend Norv wrote:Mifan wrote:Probably not allowing Italian or German ships to pass through. Or allowing US forces to be stationed within the nation. A lot of options here.
Exactly. The U.S. will back Egypt in any contest over control of the Canal. It will just expect Egypt to support some American priorities in return: most likely free access for all merchant shipping in peacetime, free access to the Canal for the U.S. Navy, and closure of the Canal to Axis forces in the event of a conflict. The U.S. doesn't need to control the canal; it just needs to make sure that Rome and Berlin
don't control it. In that sense, American and Egyptian interests are aligned.
Deal. When will Germany and Italy start to focus on the Suez Canal?
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:48 amby South Americanastan
In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:52 amby Arvenia
South Americanastan wrote:In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.
How did that happen?
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:53 amby South Americanastan
Arvenia wrote:South Americanastan wrote:In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.
How did that happen?
Huggins out, Smith in.
The USA is going to come after our ass and Britain isn’t going to stop them.
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:16 pmby Union Princes
I wonder if there's any south Asians in Rhodesia. If there are Muslims or Hindus getting caught in the crossfire, India will throw its hat into the ring
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Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:30 pmby Nancivania
South Americanastan wrote:In other news: Rhodesia is fucked.
