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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:56 pm

Arvenia wrote:Is it possible for guns such as the AK47, the RPG7 and the PK to be invented in this RP?


Sure it is.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:02 pm

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Arvenia wrote:Is it possible for guns such as the AK47, the RPG7 and the PK to be invented in this RP?


Sure it is.

Good. Will those guns be invented by Russians or not?
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:12 pm

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Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Sure it is.

Good. Will those guns be invented by Russians or not?


I would assume equivalent will be invented (or have been invented) by Germany, the US or other countries. While Russian countries can innovate, with the collapse of the USSR and rise of various states, it seems more likely that innovations in terms of arms resides mostly in Germany and US.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:21 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Good. Will those guns be invented by Russians or not?


I would assume equivalent will be invented (or have been invented) by Germany, the US or other countries. While Russian countries can innovate, with the collapse of the USSR and rise of various states, it seems more likely that innovations in terms of arms resides mostly in Germany and US.

Could Egypt be a possible candidate for such equivalent?
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:36 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
I would assume equivalent will be invented (or have been invented) by Germany, the US or other countries. While Russian countries can innovate, with the collapse of the USSR and rise of various states, it seems more likely that innovations in terms of arms resides mostly in Germany and US.

Could Egypt be a possible candidate for such equivalent?


Maybe for one of them, but not all.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:42 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Could Egypt be a possible candidate for such equivalent?


Maybe for one of them, but not all.

Which one?
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Postby Reverend Norv » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:04 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Events posted. Once again, the Events do not mention everything that happened in every country of the world. But, if your nation did not appear in the Events, rest assured that in the next Events it will probably appear. :)

European governments will have to react to Albert Speer's proposed reforms of the EEC.

Reverend Norv, I will be sending you tomorrow a private telegram about the results of your mission in Greece. :)


Sounds good. Given your last events post, if the Athens government rejects Van Leer, he'll likely just take a hike into the hills to have a chat with the communists.
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Postby South Americanastan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:05 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Could Egypt be a possible candidate for such equivalent?


Maybe for one of them, but not all.

Would FN continue working from abroad (Like they did during IRL WW2) in this scenario? I'm thinking of grabbing me some FALs later down the line.

Also, would the FAL be finished earlier in this timeline due to America not forcing it to be rechambered from .280 Brit to .30 Light Rifle (Now known as 7.62 NATO)?
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Postby Union Princes » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:13 pm

Meanwhile, the Indians are still using Britisn Enfields
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Postby Reverend Norv » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:18 pm

The overall pace of small arms development is overall probably slightly faster in this timeline, if only because the Reich probably has the Stg-44 as its standard weapon. That would likely force the U.S. to replace the Garand more quickly than it did in real life. The trials for the next U.S. service rifle are probably happening right now, and it's entirely possible that the T48 - otherwise known as the FAL - might triumph.
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Postby Zedeshia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:24 pm

Union Princes wrote:Meanwhile, the Indians are still using Britisn Enfields

*Iranian native arms designers cackling*

In all seriousness a large part of Iran's new industry under the Socialist Federation deals almost exclusively in weaponry designed by Iranian and former Soviet engineers, so the country likely acts a notable supplier for India and the Soviet Warlords across the border. Even if most of industry is either nationalized or unionized under a series of Socialist governments trade is still an absolute necessity.
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Postby Monsone » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:47 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:The overall pace of small arms development is overall probably slightly faster in this timeline, if only because the Reich probably has the Stg-44 as its standard weapon. That would likely force the U.S. to replace the Garand more quickly than it did in real life. The trials for the next U.S. service rifle are probably happening right now, and it's entirely possible that the T48 - otherwise known as the FAL - might triumph.


So basically the US ends up with an L1A1 as its new service rifle?
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Postby Union Princes » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:47 pm

I suppose India would be looking for some arms trade with Iran. The reason India still uses bolt action Enfields is because of how familiar the rifle is to Indian troops. There's probably 3 million Enfields in India as well as a another half million Sten guns and Enfield revolvers.

The two superpowers would most likely look down on the Indian Army because of their lack of modernizing. Of course that doesn't mean the Indians aren't inexperienced with their guns
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Postby South Americanastan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:49 pm

Monsone wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:The overall pace of small arms development is overall probably slightly faster in this timeline, if only because the Reich probably has the Stg-44 as its standard weapon. That would likely force the U.S. to replace the Garand more quickly than it did in real life. The trials for the next U.S. service rifle are probably happening right now, and it's entirely possible that the T48 - otherwise known as the FAL - might triumph.


So basically the US ends up with an L1A1 as its new service rifle?

*Pulls charging handle* And so does Rhodesia (Well, for one battalion)

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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:14 pm

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Postby The New Byzantine II » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:03 pm

Is the UK player inactive or active? I'm planning to set up a meeting with the United States regarding Sabah, after the elections are done in the Philippines and United States of course.
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Postby Union Princes » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:05 pm

Alright, I got my Nehru post out. Bose is next.
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Postby Nancivania » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:10 pm

Hey OP, what year did Germany invade Sweden?

Also, which EEC members other then Finland do not have a defensive treaty with Germany?

And is Switzerland still a democracy?
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Postby Nancivania » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:42 am

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:14 am

Arvenia wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
I would assume equivalent will be invented (or have been invented) by Germany, the US or other countries. While Russian countries can innovate, with the collapse of the USSR and rise of various states, it seems more likely that innovations in terms of arms resides mostly in Germany and US.

Could Egypt be a possible candidate for such equivalent?

I think that would not really be reasonable; those weapons were developed in the USSR for various historical reasons, not least of which being the experience of soldiers during the Second World War and the subsequent Cold War requiring the USSR to arm millions upon millions of foreign troops. The AK-47 was a weapon that was sturdy and reliable, requiring little maintenance, perfect for arming the communist militias that did not have access to a large industrial base. As such, a weapon such as the AK is unlikely to be developed. At least, they might be produced in a small scale, for instance by local arms manufacturers in the Commonwealth, but not in the large numbers we had historically.

Egypt doesn’t have the same reasons to develop such weapons. They might design new weapons, but why they would make an AK-like isn’t quite clear to me. Especially since they could also import cheaper weapons.
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Postby The National Dominion of Hungary » Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:39 am

Hmmmm, I we are able to develop some certain things I wonder if I might get to develop some sort of analogue to the Type 63 as an evolution of the Fedorov and SVT-40...

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Postby Arvenia » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:20 am

The National Dominion of Hungary wrote:Hmmmm, I we are able to develop some certain things I wonder if I might get to develop some sort of analogue to the Type 63 as an evolution of the Fedorov and SVT-40...

Are you talking about the Type 63 from Black Ops Cold War?
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Postby The National Dominion of Hungary » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:39 am

Arvenia wrote:Are you talking about the Type 63 from Black Ops Cold War?


Yep, IRL the Chinese made it to replace their SKS's and complement their AK's

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Postby Hopal » Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:22 am

The New Byzantine II wrote:Is the UK player inactive or active? I'm planning to set up a meeting with the United States regarding Sabah, after the elections are done in the Philippines and United States of course.

I'm still alive. I'm hoping to get a post up by the end of the week on the British response to the U.S. letter to the South Rhodesian government, the Brits trying to set up negotiations between Italy and Germany to keep relations between them at least workable, and perhaps the reaction of some officials on Gandhi's assassination. I'm sorry if I haven't been too active, Irl responsibilities have gotten in the way. But I do really like this RP so I'll try to commit more time to it, enough to a post a week at least.
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Postby Arvenia » Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:24 am

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The New Byzantine II wrote:Is the UK player inactive or active? I'm planning to set up a meeting with the United States regarding Sabah, after the elections are done in the Philippines and United States of course.

I'm still alive. I'm hoping to get a post up by the end of the week on the British response to the U.S. letter to the South Rhodesian government, the Brits trying to set up negotiations between Italy and Germany to keep relations between them at least workable, and perhaps the reaction of some officials on Gandhi's assassination. I'm sorry if I haven't been too active, Irl responsibilities have gotten in the way. But I do really like this RP so I'll try to commit more time to it, enough to a post a week at least.

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