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South Americanastan
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Postby South Americanastan » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:54 pm

Sauros wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't really feel confident in my ability to turn that sort of arrangement into solid storytelling. I'm happy just to linger until you are either finished with your app, or until you are confident that you would rather go another direction. But I do appreciate the offer.

Yknow what, I've actually thought it over, and I think that you deserve to rp as the USA 10x over me. As long as the end result is a demsoc/socdem USA, you can knock yourself out.
OP, if Norv accepts this, retract my America reservation.

Woah...

That was unexpected, to say the least. You plan to app as another nation? We could use a China once Nytoa's reservation runs out, and I could use a South Africa to smuggle us guns.
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Postby New New Sriker » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:01 pm

Sauros wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't really feel confident in my ability to turn that sort of arrangement into solid storytelling. I'm happy just to linger until you are either finished with your app, or until you are confident that you would rather go another direction. But I do appreciate the offer.

Yknow what, I've actually thought it over, and I think that you deserve to rp as the USA 10x over me. You have proven yourself to be a highly capable rper, who will be able to keep this rp going much longer than I (a noob) would be able to. In the end, that's all I want: for this rp to be successful, and to be able to see how this scenario plays out over months, a year, or even multiple years. As long as the end result is a mixed demsoc/socdem (lean demsoc) USA, you can knock yourself out with applying as America.

OP, if Norv accepts this, retract my America reservation.

I hope you find a another good nation to RP as

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Union Princes
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Postby Union Princes » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:03 pm

There's Canada, South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Free France, Greece, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (if possible), Ireland, Romania, Vietnam, Indonesia. Those are pretty high value countries for the cold war
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Hispida
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Postby Hispida » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:06 pm

minor update to bulgaria: i've decided to rename the (thracian) greek and macedonian resistances to better fit historical accuracy

the macedonian resistance should now be the National Liberation Army and Partisan Detachments of Macedonia (NOV i POM) and the greek resistance in thrace should be the National Republican Greek League (EDES). for future reference, the former is communist and the latter is liberal

that's all
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American Pere Housh
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Postby American Pere Housh » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:33 pm

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:
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NS Name:American Pere Housh
RP Name:The Kingdom of Italy


I will be accepting it, if you remove Greece from your claims. Greece can be a client state of Italy and you can have Italian troops stationed at strategic checkpoints in Greek territory, but not annex Greece wholly. As long as that is corrected, you will be accepted.

That is fine by me.
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American Pere Housh
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Postby American Pere Housh » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:35 pm

Union Princes wrote:There's Canada, South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Free France, Greece, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (if possible), Ireland, Romania, Vietnam, Indonesia. Those are pretty high value countries for the cold war

Greece is a Client state of Italy so if you wish to be my puppet then I'm fine with it.
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Leader:King Alexander
WA Ambassador: Eliza 'Vanny' Cortez
Secretary of Defense:Hitomi Izumi
Secretary of State:Alicia Cortez
Current Year:2750
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Wasi State
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Postby Wasi State » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:44 pm

Is there a map of the current state of the world?
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Hispida
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Postby Hispida » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:46 pm

Wasi State wrote:Is there a map of the current state of the world?

i don't think it would be impossible to make one tbh
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Reverend Norv
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Postby Reverend Norv » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:15 pm

Sauros wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't really feel confident in my ability to turn that sort of arrangement into solid storytelling. I'm happy just to linger until you are either finished with your app, or until you are confident that you would rather go another direction. But I do appreciate the offer.

Yknow what, I've actually thought it over, and I think that you deserve to rp as the USA 10x over me. You have proven yourself to be a highly capable rper, who will be able to keep this rp going much longer than I (a noob) would be able to. In the end, that's all I want: for this rp to be successful, and to be able to see how this scenario plays out over months, a year, or even multiple years. As long as the end result is a mixed demsoc/socdem (lean demsoc) USA, you can knock yourself out with applying as America.

OP, if Norv accepts this, retract my America reservation.


That's a magnificently generous gesture. My picture for the US is not exactly a left-wing utopia, but it does reflect the exigencies of holding the New Deal coalition together in the face of a global great-power competition with the fascist world. For that reason alone, it will be somewhat more left-leaning than the RL course of US history - albeit that, like any real-world nation, it is never quite reducible to a particular ideology. I'll get to work this weekend, and I hope to do justice to your hopes. I also hope to see you apply as another nation; this is shaping up to be a lot of fun, and I'd hate to lose you.
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Union Princes
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Postby Union Princes » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:16 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:
That's a magnificently generous gesture. My picture for the US is not exactly a left-wing utopia, but it does reflect the exigencies of holding the New Deal coalition together in the face of a global great-power competition with the fascist world. For that reason alone, it will be somewhat more left-leaning than the RL course of US history - albeit that, like any real-world nation, it is never quite reducible to a particular ideology. I'll get to work this weekend, and I hope to do justice to your hopes. I also hope to see you apply as another nation; this is shaping up to be a lot of fun, and I'd hate to lose you.


I recommend going as Canada or Mexico to do a North American tag team
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American Pere Housh
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Postby American Pere Housh » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:33 pm

Union Princes wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
That's a magnificently generous gesture. My picture for the US is not exactly a left-wing utopia, but it does reflect the exigencies of holding the New Deal coalition together in the face of a global great-power competition with the fascist world. For that reason alone, it will be somewhat more left-leaning than the RL course of US history - albeit that, like any real-world nation, it is never quite reducible to a particular ideology. I'll get to work this weekend, and I hope to do justice to your hopes. I also hope to see you apply as another nation; this is shaping up to be a lot of fun, and I'd hate to lose you.


I recommend going as Canada or Mexico to do a North American tag team

Don't expect Italy to remain a friend of Germany as Mussolini is dead so Italy has been slowly but surely distancing itself from Germany plus Italy has been beefing up its military especially its Navy.
Government Type:Militaristic Absolute Monarchy
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Secretary of Defense:Hitomi Izumi
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Current Year:2750
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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:41 pm

Is it still possible to apply for the RP?
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American Pere Housh
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Postby American Pere Housh » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:47 pm

Monsone wrote:Is it still possible to apply for the RP?

It is still open.
Government Type:Militaristic Absolute Monarchy
Leader:King Alexander
WA Ambassador: Eliza 'Vanny' Cortez
Secretary of Defense:Hitomi Izumi
Secretary of State:Alicia Cortez
Current Year:2750
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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:56 pm

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RP Name: Dominion of Canada
Territory: All IRL Canadian territory as of 1952.

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Mohn-sohn-eh

Liberal Neo-Gaullist (and a Social Gaullist too) Semi-Titoist Statist who doesn't like the mixing of religion or faux-tradition into politics. Oh, and also a technocrat.

Pro: Liberal democracy, strong central government, nuclear power, statism, social democracy, universal single-payer healthcare, high-speed rail, women's right to choose, state-run companies, Titoisim, Neo-Gaullisim, Social Gaullisim, nationalized railway systems, free public transit, patriotism.

Anti: Religion in politics, conspiracy theories, climate denial, fossil fuels, "small" government, any and all sort of discrimination, tax cuts for the rich, faux-conservatism, fascism, nationalism.

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:30 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Union Princes wrote:
I recommend going as Canada or Mexico to do a North American tag team

Don't expect Italy to remain a friend of Germany as Mussolini is dead so Italy has been slowly but surely distancing itself from Germany plus Italy has been beefing up its military especially its Navy.

I don’t know if I would call this ‘slowly’. The EEC is not like the EU; I don’t think Germany will take kindly to Italy leaving their sphere.

And I imagine the antisemite wing of the Italian fascists would be none too happy with their ‘liberal’ king, especially if he seeks to distance himself from Germany.
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American Pere Housh
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:12 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Don't expect Italy to remain a friend of Germany as Mussolini is dead so Italy has been slowly but surely distancing itself from Germany plus Italy has been beefing up its military especially its Navy.

I don’t know if I would call this ‘slowly’. The EEC is not like the EU; I don’t think Germany will take kindly to Italy leaving their sphere.

And I imagine the antisemite wing of the Italian fascists would be none too happy with their ‘liberal’ king, especially if he seeks to distance himself from Germany.

Well Italy is independent plus the antisemite wing is fairly tiny representing only 5% of the Royalist Party. Support for antisemitism in Italy never got really high in Italy.
Government Type:Militaristic Absolute Monarchy
Leader:King Alexander
WA Ambassador: Eliza 'Vanny' Cortez
Secretary of Defense:Hitomi Izumi
Secretary of State:Alicia Cortez
Current Year:2750
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Sao Nova Europa
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:56 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I don’t know if I would call this ‘slowly’. The EEC is not like the EU; I don’t think Germany will take kindly to Italy leaving their sphere.

And I imagine the antisemite wing of the Italian fascists would be none too happy with their ‘liberal’ king, especially if he seeks to distance himself from Germany.

Well Italy is independent plus the antisemite wing is fairly tiny representing only 5% of the Royalist Party. Support for antisemitism in Italy never got really high in Italy.


Actually the pro-German elements in Italy are higher. I was going to warn that Italy leaving the ECC immediately (as opposed to gradually disengaging from Germany and then leaving the ECC) wasn't going to work out too well for Italy.

Without giving spoiler alert, some of the first events of the RP will be about the response of pro-German elements in Italy. :)

[Generally speaking, doing something radical at once in this RP will usually lead to some mixed results; gradualism is usually the way to go on foreign policy]
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Sao Nova Europa
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:57 am

Monsone wrote:
RESERVATION
NS Name: Monsone
RP Name: Dominion of Canada
Territory: All IRL Canadian territory as of 1952.

Do not remove - 1952RP


Reservation accepted.

Do remember to check out UK's app, since Canada has some backstory already.
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- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
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Sao Nova Europa
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:01 am

Reverend Norv wrote:
Sauros wrote:Yknow what, I've actually thought it over, and I think that you deserve to rp as the USA 10x over me. You have proven yourself to be a highly capable rper, who will be able to keep this rp going much longer than I (a noob) would be able to. In the end, that's all I want: for this rp to be successful, and to be able to see how this scenario plays out over months, a year, or even multiple years. As long as the end result is a mixed demsoc/socdem (lean demsoc) USA, you can knock yourself out with applying as America.

OP, if Norv accepts this, retract my America reservation.


That's a magnificently generous gesture. My picture for the US is not exactly a left-wing utopia, but it does reflect the exigencies of holding the New Deal coalition together in the face of a global great-power competition with the fascist world. For that reason alone, it will be somewhat more left-leaning than the RL course of US history - albeit that, like any real-world nation, it is never quite reducible to a particular ideology. I'll get to work this weekend, and I hope to do justice to your hopes. I also hope to see you apply as another nation; this is shaping up to be a lot of fun, and I'd hate to lose you.


Welcome to the RP. US reservation added. :)




Sauros, do you want me to reserve you another nation? China's reservation expires today, so I think it might be a good choice. We need a China after all since it's supposed to be one of the major players in Asia.
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- Guo Jing ‘The Brave Archer’.

“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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Postby Helliniki Katastasis » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:10 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Well Italy is independent plus the antisemite wing is fairly tiny representing only 5% of the Royalist Party. Support for antisemitism in Italy never got really high in Italy.


Actually the pro-German elements in Italy are higher. I was going to warn that Italy leaving the ECC immediately (as opposed to gradually disengaging from Germany and then leaving the ECC) wasn't going to work out too well for Italy.

Without giving spoiler alert, some of the first events of the RP will be about the response of pro-German elements in Italy. :)

[Generally speaking, doing something radical at once in this RP will usually lead to some mixed results; gradualism is usually the way to go on foreign policy]


The player had some friction in another RP with dramatic changes like this, with him as the CCP abandoning Taiwan and assassinating Xi Jinping. I think he just has a thing for quick changes that aren't necessarily historically plausible.
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Union Princes
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Union Princes » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:25 am

Pere, what you just did is completely shortsighted. You need to dismantle Mussolini's fascist government before you can consider distancing from Germany, much less abandon the ECC. Even then, his popularity is still high from winning WWII, making it impossible for the King to go behind his policies. What you need is either an economic disaster to negate the fascist legitimacy or finding a grievance against Germany. You have completely overlooked that Italy lost Istria to Germany, one of the few pieces of land gained from WW1. You should've had the Italian Fascists be pissed off at Germany taking it.

And another thing, the Italian king had no power. It's all on Il Duce. So it's physically impossible for the King to simply have Italy leave the ECC.
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Sao Nova Europa
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:54 am

The King has power, since Italy is a royalist dictatorship according to the app, so that is alright. However, the Fascists have a lot of influence in the government, and a sizeable number of officials (civil and military) are pro-German or of conservative disposition. So suddenly announcing something so radical is bound to have consequences.

Would have warned, but Pere posted before I could post about it OOC. But those consequences will be detailed in an Events post. :)

On the other hand, it might create some interesting scenarios Pere will have to navigate, so it might turn out to be interesting.
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“In war, to keep the upper hand, you have to think two or three moves ahead of the enemy.”
- Char Aznable

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu

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The Palmetto
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Postby The Palmetto » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:20 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
The Palmetto wrote:What borders does Free France have, is it basically all of sub-Saharan French Africa? Also: is Algeria independent?


Free France has basically all of sub-Saharan French Africa. As for Algeria, it can be independent or under Free French rule. Up to you (assuming you app as Free France). Though if you do claim Algeria, overextension is going to be one of the problems.


I'll probably include Algeria, which would probably be the "core" of the nation, seeing as it has the most French people. As of the moment, Free France is probably some sort of colonial federation, with notable concessions to the native population out of necessity.

How would Free France have gotten Algeria though? Did Vichy France never own it, or did a military coup occur like in some other Vichy colonies IRL?
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The Palmetto
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Postby The Palmetto » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:26 am

RESERVATION
NS Name: The Palmetto
RP Name: French Union
Territory: Algeria (core), French West Africa, French Equatorial Africa, Cameroon, French Caribbean (including Guiana), and the French Pacific

Do not remove - 1952RP


Based on the IRL French Union, though I may have a modified system in place. I'm impartial to the various small islands, so I have no issue dropping them/having them under US occupation.
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Sauros
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Sauros » Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:23 am

Union Princes wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
That's a magnificently generous gesture. My picture for the US is not exactly a left-wing utopia, but it does reflect the exigencies of holding the New Deal coalition together in the face of a global great-power competition with the fascist world. For that reason alone, it will be somewhat more left-leaning than the RL course of US history - albeit that, like any real-world nation, it is never quite reducible to a particular ideology. I'll get to work this weekend, and I hope to do justice to your hopes. I also hope to see you apply as another nation; this is shaping up to be a lot of fun, and I'd hate to lose you.


I recommend going as Canada or Mexico to do a North American tag team

Aight, it's Canada time then!
Edit: Monsone reserved Canada already. I guess I'll just reserve Mexico for rn.
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DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST UNION OF SAUROS
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Capital: Walkeri
President: Allan R. Challenger
Population (NS Ver.): 2 Bil.
Scientifically & technologically advanced left-wing paradise, with a pristine environment that just so happens to have dinosaurs (along with other associated prehistoric creatures).
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Personal Views:
I support: Socialism, Democracy, Abortion, Environmentalism/Heavy Environmental Regulations, Internationalism, Labor Unions, Religion-State Separation, Multiculturalism, & Science.
I am against: Capitalism, All Right-Wing Ideologies, Hyper-Authoritarian Leftism, Environmental Destruction (Pollution, Poaching, Deforestation, etc), Legal Loopholes, Privately-Owned Corporations, Corruption, Genocide/Persecution, Apartheid/Segregation, & Pol Pot.

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