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Postby Deblar » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:57 pm

South Americanastan wrote:
Arvenia wrote:How did that happen?

Huggins out, Smith in.

The USA is going to come after our ass and Britain isn’t going to stop them.

Huggins after getting voted out:

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Union Princes
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:21 pm

Turns out there's like a few thousand South Asians in Rhodesia. Hopefully nothing bad will happen to them. Otherwise, India will send in the Gurkhas for some liberation
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Postby South Americanastan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:17 pm

Union Princes wrote:Turns out there's like a few thousand South Asians in Rhodesia. Hopefully nothing bad will happen to them. Otherwise, India will send in the Gurkhas for some liberation

It’s really just the natives that get discriminated against, so there should be no need for the Gurkhas.

Please don’t hurt us we’re already about to get fucked by America and Britain.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:22 pm

Union Princes wrote:Turns out there's like a few thousand South Asians in Rhodesia. Hopefully nothing bad will happen to them. Otherwise, India will send in the Gurkhas for some liberation


Force projection to another continent is damn hard. I have no doubt that the Gurkhas would clean up once they got to Rhodesia, but getting there - given the state of the Indian Navy and Air Force - might pose a meaningful challenge.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:24 pm

In other news, I'll look to get a new post up this weekend for everyone who has responded thus far. So if you want some attention from the U.S., it would be great if you could post in the next few days. Mifan and VOID, we can also try to do that cowrite this weekend too, if that works for you both.
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Union Princes
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:27 pm

South Americanastan wrote:It’s really just the natives that get discriminated against, so there should be no need for the Gurkhas.

Please don’t hurt us we’re already about to get fucked by America and Britain.

You sure? South Asians make up less than 1% of the population and they faced discrimination during colonial rule since they weren't white.

I don't know man, I hope things don't devolve too rapidly
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South Americanastan
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Postby South Americanastan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:32 pm

Union Princes wrote:
South Americanastan wrote:It’s really just the natives that get discriminated against, so there should be no need for the Gurkhas.

Please don’t hurt us we’re already about to get fucked by America and Britain.

You sure? South Asians make up less than 1% of the population and they faced discrimination during colonial rule since they weren't white.

I don't know man, I hope things don't devolve too rapidly

They didn’t face *institutional* discrimination, at least not in this timeline.

Please don’t hurt us we’re just a tiny African nation, we’ll be good, we promise.
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:34 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:
Force projection to another continent is damn hard. I have no doubt that the Gurkhas would clean up once they got to Rhodesia, but getting there - given the state of the Indian Navy and Air Force - might pose a meaningful challenge.


True, there's gonna be some extensive modernization once the first general election is over. Going from the mid 50s to the 80s
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Postby Nancivania » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:11 pm

I realized that Slovakia has lost far more land in this TL than ours. They've lost practically all of their land, including their capital and second largest city, and have been squashed into a thin slice of mountainous almost-wasteland sandwiched between Germany and Hungary. I'm curious if all Slovaks were relocated there or if there are significant minority populations in Hungary?

And while we're on the topic, what happened to the Slavs in general? This is mostly directed towards Germany. Were the Czechs exterminated/relocated? If they were relocated to pave way for German settlement, where'd they get sent to? What happened to the non-Jewish poles? Were they enslaved like the Russians or exterminated for more lebensraum? How is Russian/Ukrainian/Belarussian slavery dealt with? Are their German masters free to move their slaves into the fatherland to use them as cheap labor or are they forced to keep them in the former USSR lands?
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Postby Nancivania » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:12 pm

Union Princes wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:
Force projection to another continent is damn hard. I have no doubt that the Gurkhas would clean up once they got to Rhodesia, but getting there - given the state of the Indian Navy and Air Force - might pose a meaningful challenge.


True, there's gonna be some extensive modernization once the first general election is over. Going from the mid 50s to the 80s

Superpower by 2000?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:17 pm

Nancivania wrote:I realized that Slovakia has lost far more land in this TL than ours. They've lost practically all of their land, including their capital and second largest city, and have been squashed into a thin slice of mountainous almost-wasteland sandwiched between Germany and Hungary. I'm curious if all Slovaks were relocated there or if there are significant minority populations in Hungary?

And while we're on the topic, what happened to the Slavs in general? This is mostly directed towards Germany. Were the Czechs exterminated/relocated? If they were relocated to pave way for German settlement, where'd they get sent to? What happened to the non-Jewish poles? Were they enslaved like the Russians or exterminated for more lebensraum? How is Russian/Ukrainian/Belarussian slavery dealt with? Are their German masters free to move their slaves into the fatherland to use them as cheap labor or are they forced to keep them in the former USSR lands?

The map the guy made is based on modern provincial borders. My Hungary app mentioned only the Southern Slovak and Carpatho-Ukrainian regions were annexed, so I presume the borders are the same as OTL.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:24 pm

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Nancivania wrote:I realized there's a situation coming up that may cause a bit of a crisis.

Egypt is gonna be having issues with Marxists soon IC and Italy said that they'd likely try to seize the Suez Canal should that happen. If Italy and America are not on good enough terms at that point there could be a crisis of America fearing their Mediterranean squadron may end up being trapped in the Mediterranean. America takes steps to try and prevent Italy from seizing the canal, crisis ensues.

This may or may not happen depending on how Rome-Washington relations normalize now that Italy has left the EEC. But judging from the tone of America's post where they were evacuating the refugees, America still sees Italy as a threat or possible enemy and would likely not enjoy them slamming the backdoor of the Mediterranean while they're still hanging around.

Italy will also have the issue of the Syrians and even maybe even the Iranians sending help to Egypt, a united Middle East is an enemy no one would want to make

While Italy may not be friends with the U.S., we will not inhibit their access.
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Postby Mifan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:11 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:In other news, I'll look to get a new post up this weekend for everyone who has responded thus far. So if you want some attention from the U.S., it would be great if you could post in the next few days. Mifan and VOID, we can also try to do that cowrite this weekend too, if that works for you both.

Yea, I have time this weekend to cowrite.

Hoping to get my post out tonight or tomorrow.
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Union Princes
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:20 pm

Nancivania wrote:
Superpower by 2000?

With India as large as it is, both India and China will become the next superpowers in the 20th century. Even more so once the two nations develop nuclear weapons
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Postby Union Princes » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:20 pm

Nancivania wrote:
Superpower by 2000?

With India as large as it is, both India and China will become the next superpowers in the 20th century. Even more so once the two nations develop nuclear weapons
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Postby South Americanastan » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:33 pm

Nancivania wrote:
Union Princes wrote:
True, there's gonna be some extensive modernization once the first general election is over. Going from the mid 50s to the 80s

Superpower by 2000?

I hope not, or Ian Smith’s Wild RideTM is about to get a whole lot wilder.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:38 pm

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The National Dominion of Hungary
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Postby The National Dominion of Hungary » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:56 am

All right, time to reform the government so I can start my economic reconstruction plan. I wonder if the USA would be open to trading and sending aid to help with reconstruction, apparently I sit on a bunch of large gold deposits so I can pay with gold.

Also, Soviet Union of Mother Russia, wanna plan out the whole spy shenanigans about to go down?
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Postby The National Dominion of Hungary » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:17 am

Nancivania wrote:I realized that Slovakia has lost far more land in this TL than ours. They've lost practically all of their land, including their capital and second largest city, and have been squashed into a thin slice of mountainous almost-wasteland sandwiched between Germany and Hungary. I'm curious if all Slovaks were relocated there or if there are significant minority populations in Hungary?

And while we're on the topic, what happened to the Slavs in general? This is mostly directed towards Germany. Were the Czechs exterminated/relocated? If they were relocated to pave way for German settlement, where'd they get sent to? What happened to the non-Jewish poles? Were they enslaved like the Russians or exterminated for more lebensraum? How is Russian/Ukrainian/Belarussian slavery dealt with? Are their German masters free to move their slaves into the fatherland to use them as cheap labor or are they forced to keep them in the former USSR lands?


I don't know what Sao says but I would think that after the German crash and the switch from the Nazi extermination policy to enslavement the Polish General Government would basically be turned into a polish reservation right next to the German border where the Nazis to import slaves to the Reich from whenever needed. Maybe a population of 12/13 million but with there would probably also be a few million Polish slaves in Germany at any one time. Maybe something similar would have happened with the Bohemia-Morvia Protectorate.

The Germans would probably be trying to turn Ukraine into a source for cheap food for Germany, it might have turned into something like the pre-Civil War American South with German landowners sitting on massive rural estates worked by Ukrainian slaves, a population of 25/30 million maybe. If RK Ostland exists it might have seen some semi-successful Nazi colonization, at least in the Baltic states due to their small populations but there would surely be active partisan groups of every stripe hiding out in the Baltic forests, maybe even some escaped Jewish partisans.

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The Vaktovian Empire
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:49 am

Is Israel a thing in this RP? Currently working on my nation's history now.

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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:56 am

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Is Israel a thing in this RP? Currently working on my nation's history now.


There is 'Israel' in Madagascar.
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:47 am

Sao Nova Europa wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Is Israel a thing in this RP? Currently working on my nation's history now.


There is 'Israel' in Madagascar.



Roger that, so with that in mind, are the Allies even aware n this timeline that the Holocaust occurred?

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Postby Deblar » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:51 am

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:
There is 'Israel' in Madagascar.



Roger that, so with that in mind, are the Allies even aware n this timeline that the Holocaust occurred?

I imagine the Holocaust in this timeline is more of a rumor that, for the time being, can’t be proven

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Postby Union Princes » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:24 am

another thing I realize that would be contentious between India and the rest of the world is the swastika symbol. I feel like there's gonna be some Indians who think that Hitler is a Hindu. The US and Soviet Ambassadors are gonna have a heart attack with all the Hindu swastikas in Gandhi's funeral.
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Postby Arvenia » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:25 am

Union Princes wrote:another thing I realize that would be contentious between India and the rest of the world is the swastika symbol. I feel like there's gonna be some Indians who think that Hitler is a Hindu. The US and Soviet Ambassadors are gonna have a heart attack with all the Hindu swastikas in Gandhi's funeral.

Maybe you should replace those swastiska with other Hindu/Indian symbols.
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