New Civilizations [OOC | Always Open]

[Nea Videssos]

So guys, since Hanajima has started trying to domesticate horses and breed them (with the help of former horse worshiping tribes incorporated in the empire) I had a question.

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Could I realistically do this?

I'm guessing you clicked on that link to the Enarei on my app?

[Orostan]

Why would you do this in the first place?

Why wouldn't I do this in the first place?

In China being LGBT will not be illegal but being Japanese will be.

[Suriyanakhon]

So guys, since Hanajima has started trying to domesticate horses and breed them (with the help of former horse worshiping tribes incorporated in the empire) I had a question.

Could I realistically do this?

I'm guessing you clicked on that link to the Enarei on my app?

Actually found it while looking up something unrelated.

[Suriyanakhon]

Why wouldn't I do this in the first place?

In China being LGBT will not be illegal but being Japanese will be.

It has been 0 days since the YRS has larped as China.

[Orostan]

In China being LGBT will not be illegal but being Japanese will be.

It has been 0 days since the YRS has larped as China.

And you aren’t LARPing as a religious ethnostate?

[Suriyanakhon]

It has been 0 days since the YRS has larped as China.

And you aren’t LARPing as a religious ethnostate?

Hanajima isn't an ethno-state lol, and doesn't pretend to be Japan.

[The Hierophancy]

China and Europe both managed to pretty much totally deforest themselves for a few centuries there irl without the locusts catching on too bad. China can have a little bit of deforestation

I'm sure the fact that most of that deforestation was done around the time industrial-grade anti-pest chemicals became a thing, as well as everything else that happened during the industrial revolution, and Europe having a climate unfavorable to locust had something to do with it.

Now as for China, well, I rather intentionally tried to draw parallels with the 4 Pests Campaign, and it's destruction of Sparrow populations, which did lead to a increase in locust and after that a famine.

Nah, I was referring to medieval deforestation. Europe lost most of its forests long, long before the industrial revolution, and iirc it was even worse in China. China was experimenting with coal pretty early on as a result

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

It has been 0 days since the YRS has larped as China.

And you aren’t LARPing as a religious ethnostate?

IM larping as a religious ethnostate

[Orostan]

And you aren’t LARPing as a religious ethnostate?

Hanajima isn't an ethno-state lol, and doesn't pretend to be Japan.

What’s with the “people of the reed plain” thing then?

Besides that my china really only shares some general overtones with real China. I’m not LARPing so much as to invent a new religion.

[Orostan]

And you aren’t LARPing as a religious ethnostate?

IM larping as a religious ethnostate

I just noticed your signature - when I come over to Arabia a long time from now I will make Florian Geyer proud by burning all your churches.

[Suriyanakhon]

Hanajima isn't an ethno-state lol, and doesn't pretend to be Japan.

What’s with the “people of the reed plain” thing then?

Besides that my china really only shares some general overtones with real China. I’m not LARPing so much as to invent a new religion.

The land of the reed plain is a common poetic term for the Japanese home islands, and people who live there in this period would refer to the ethnically heterogeneous tribes who reside in the archipelago, not to an ethnic group of people. Hanajima just incorporated a bunch of Koreans and Chinese immigrants into the empire as well, which makes it even funnier to accuse it of being an ethno-state.

[Orostan]

What’s with the “people of the reed plain” thing then?

Besides that my china really only shares some general overtones with real China. I’m not LARPing so much as to invent a new religion.

The land of the reed plain is a common poetic term for the Japanese home islands, and people who live there in this period would refer to the ethnically heterogeneous tribes who reside in the archipelago, not to an ethnic group of people. Hanajima just incorporated a bunch of Koreans and Chinese immigrants into the empire as well, which makes it even funnier to accuse it of being an ethno-state.

The Koreans are more tributaries than actual citizens to my understanding and the Chinese immigrants are there because they’re useful.

[Suriyanakhon]

The Koreans are more tributaries than actual citizens to my understanding

No. The Shiragi villages were incorporated into the empire and their social elite were ennobled (common tactic to assimilation).

and the Chinese immigrants are there because they’re useful.

And? Any non-ethnostate would be smart enough to take skilled immigrants who can be placed into important positions. Hanajima is a feudal state, those tend to be at odds with ethnic nationalism.

[Orostan]

The Koreans are more tributaries than actual citizens to my understanding

No. The Shiragi villages were incorporated into the empire and their social elite were ennobled (common tactic to assimilation).

and the Chinese immigrants are there because they’re useful.

And? Any non-ethnostate would be smart enough to take skilled immigrants who can be placed into important positions. Hanajima is a feudal state, those tend to be at odds with ethnic nationalism.

Alright, fair enough. I guess I didn’t interpret some of the stuff you were doing correctly.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

IM larping as a religious ethnostate

I just noticed your signature - when I come over to Arabia a long time from now I will make Florian Geyer proud by burning all your churches.

Jokes on you - Florian Geyer and the peasants revolt would have hated your empire just as much as the HRE. They weren't atheists, after all. They wanted to build heaven on earth, just like John Ball wanted in England.

[Orostan]

I just noticed your signature - when I come over to Arabia a long time from now I will make Florian Geyer proud by burning all your churches.

Jokes on you - Florian Geyer and the peasants revolt would have hated your empire just as much as the HRE. They weren't atheists, after all. They wanted to build heaven on earth, just like John Ball wanted in England.

Florian Geyer was not exactly a religious man himself. Besides that my empire isn't explicitly atheist - it just maintains that the spiritual world and the state should be kept separate, as the state is made of men and not gods. They probably would have preferred what I have to feudal tyranny.

[Endem]

And you aren’t LARPing as a religious ethnostate?

IM larping as a religious ethnostate

I'm also larping as a theocracy!

[Suriyanakhon]

Jokes on you - Florian Geyer and the peasants revolt would have hated your empire just as much as the HRE. They weren't atheists, after all. They wanted to build heaven on earth, just like John Ball wanted in England.

Florian Geyer was not exactly a religious man himself. Besides that my empire isn't explicitly atheist - it just maintains that the spiritual world and the state should be kept separate, as the state is made of men and not gods. They probably would have preferred what I have to feudal tyranny.

He'd be absolutely horrified by your state's tyranny, which is worse than pretty much any state's up until the industrial age.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

IM larping as a religious ethnostate

I'm also larping as a theocracy!

But what happens if our larps collide? Who will win?!

[Orostan]

Florian Geyer was not exactly a religious man himself. Besides that my empire isn't explicitly atheist - it just maintains that the spiritual world and the state should be kept separate, as the state is made of men and not gods. They probably would have preferred what I have to feudal tyranny.

He'd be absolutely horrified by your state's tyranny, which is worse than pretty much any state's up until the industrial age.

tyranny is when you try and establish the conditions for democracy and do stuff to industrialize the country. The more you industrialize the country the more tyranny you have.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Jokes on you - Florian Geyer and the peasants revolt would have hated your empire just as much as the HRE. They weren't atheists, after all. They wanted to build heaven on earth, just like John Ball wanted in England.

Florian Geyer was not exactly a religious man himself. Besides that my empire isn't explicitly atheist - it just maintains that the spiritual world and the state should be kept separate, as the state is made of men and not gods. They probably would have preferred what I have to feudal tyranny.

The black band fought alongside the preacher Thomas Muntzer, who believed he was bringing about God's will on earth by ushering in the end of days.

[Endem]

I'm also larping as a theocracy!

But what happens if our larps collide? Who will win?!

I would not want that to happen, though, I will need to propose a possible inciting incident to you some later time.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

He'd be absolutely horrified by your state's tyranny, which is worse than pretty much any state's up until the industrial age.

tyranny is when you try and establish the conditions for democracy and do stuff to industrialize the country. The more you industrialize the country the more tyranny you have.

You can only do such a defense comrade if you were actually improving the quality of life for those beneath you. But from the sound of things, you're throwing scores of sons into the meatgrinder, causing famine through mass depopulation of the countryside, and just taxing the hell out of the peasantry.

EDIT: YES! Actually. Tearing people from the land is a fucking HORRIFYING PROCESS. No shit it's tyrannical. Industrialization is tyrannical. It has to be! You have to move mouthes from the countryside to the city center. It has to be violent.

[Endem]

He'd be absolutely horrified by your state's tyranny, which is worse than pretty much any state's up until the industrial age.

tyranny is when you try and establish the conditions for democracy and do stuff to industrialize the country. The more you industrialize the country the more tyranny you have.

Aren't you literary killing whole villages over rebels having blended into their population? Doesn't seem very democratic.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

tyranny is when you try and establish the conditions for democracy and do stuff to industrialize the country. The more you industrialize the country the more tyranny you have.

Aren't you literary killing whole villages over rebels having blended into their population? Doesn't seem very democratic.

Democracy is when you have an emperor.