New Civilizations [OOC | Always Open]

[Orostan]

1) They're neighbors people hate for having a fit when it was demanded they contribute something in exchange for having a free stuff.

that's kind of a big reason why a lot of people agreed to Aaron's system, to pacify and dominate their neighbors. These people are their cousins, speak the same language as them, worship the same gods. They'd feel closer to them than they would most other peoples in the Chinese system. After two years of war and nation wide shortages, your average peasant is looking to make whatever profit he can - and he knows his cousins over the hill would be willing to pay for the junk he collects on the battlefield

2) Sure, but they sure as hell aren't getting anything off battlefields.

Nothing you've said so far would lead me to believe otherwise

3) No the same people that live there.

Yes, the ones looking to make a profit by pilfering through corpses.

If the locals are hostiles the soldiers can collect their own iron and kill all the locals.

In the middle of battle? When I say that looters followed close behind armies set to skirmish, I mean that they were usually right behind them. You're going to pull off essential forces to go and murder some peasants who you couldn't possibly know where on your side or not? And even then, haven't you multiple times in your posts described chasing down enemy forces attempting to flee and annihilating' them completely? That kind of fast paced warfare which leaves neither time nor room for the combing over of a battlefield?

1) You have given me two contradictory ideas of what bandits are. On one hand they are violent marauders killing and pillaging and on the other they're random guys just taking stuff. Which is it? Are they bandits killing people or are they just guys siphoning resources?

2) unless i lose why would they even be allowed there if I think they are unreliable?

3) Is there no distinction between bandits and rural randos?

4) You expect me to believe that in the middle of a dangerous battle they'd rush onto the field to loot a dead guy? That's insane. Besides that, when I talk about chasing an enemy army I usually mean chasing them several hundred meters at most and seldom with the entirety of my army. Usually the men who have fought the least are the ones doing the chasing, the guys who just fought are sitting there recovering from the fight.

[Ralnis]

What the YRS envoy sees when the Roving King sits on Yin Yi's throne.

Impressively menacing slouch

Imagine Yin Yi and his family reduced to servants. Getting wine and succulent fruits and meats for the Roving King and his court.

[Joohan]

1) You have given me two contradictory ideas of what bandits are. On one hand they are violent marauders killing and pillaging and on the other they're random guys just taking stuff. Are they bandits killing people or are they just guys siphoning resources?

As you have yourself often asserted, the heart of all things Chinese comes from cities, and the rural countryside is more stuck in it's tribal ways. The ones who cut off this system of bribery were those very same cities. Rural villages which have little to do with the cities but happen to fall within Chinese borders wouldn't likely be the target of warring neighbors. No doubt they do on get targeted sometimes, but most aggression would associated to cities and those entities which intend to enter and leave.

Edit: this would probably change though, as the war continues on and tribes get more desperate or radical, they'll likely start attacking rural villages more often.

2) unless i lose why would they even be allowed there if I think they are unreliable?

3) Is there no distinction between bandits and rural randos?

This exactly. Your plan relies upon locals combing through the battlefield for recovery - but how do you tell whose a local is a loyalist? Everyone in the region, including your enemies, speaks the same language, dresses the same, and looks the same. Even if you instituted some asinine process of trying to vet battlefield looters ( which is just a ridiculous concept ) you have literally no guarantee that the locals are gonna give you everything they collect, as opposed to someone else offering them a better price. Hell, what's to stop just random people from entering the field and begin looting? Are you splitting your army up just to handle looters? Cause if that's the case, China should be loosing a lot more battles.

4) You expect me to believe that in the middle of a dangerous battle they'd rush onto the field to loot a dead guy? That's insane.

I agree, that would be insane ( though it did happen ). Typically, they'd wait till the battle had moved up a few hundred meters, when they were relatively out of harms way. Or about the distance your army travels when chasing down an enemy force.

[Orostan]

1) You have given me two contradictory ideas of what bandits are. On one hand they are violent marauders killing and pillaging and on the other they're random guys just taking stuff. Are they bandits killing people or are they just guys siphoning resources?

As you have yourself often asserted, the heart of all things Chinese comes from cities, and the rural countryside is more stuck in it's tribal ways. The ones who cut off this system of bribery were those very same cities. Rural villages which have little to do with the cities but happen to fall within Chinese borders wouldn't likely be the target of warring neighbors. No doubt they do on get targeted sometimes, but most aggression would associated to cities and those entities which intend to enter and leave.

Edit: this would probably change though, as the war continues on and tribes get more desperate or radical, they'll likely start attacking rural villages more often.

2) unless i lose why would they even be allowed there if I think they are unreliable?

3) Is there no distinction between bandits and rural randos?

This exactly. Your plan relies upon locals combing through the battlefield for recovery - but how do you tell whose a local is a loyalist? Everyone in the region, including your enemies, speaks the same language, dresses the same, and looks the same. Even if you instituted some asinine process of trying to vet battlefield looters ( which is just a ridiculous concept ) you have literally no guarantee that the locals are gonna give you everything they collect, as opposed to someone else offering them a better price. Hell, what's to stop just random people from entering the field and begin looting? Are you splitting your army up just to handle looters? Cause if that's the case, China should be loosing a lot more battles.

4) You expect me to believe that in the middle of a dangerous battle they'd rush onto the field to loot a dead guy? That's insane.

I agree, that would be insane ( though it did happen ). Typically, they'd wait till the battle had moved up a few hundred meters, when they were relatively out of harms way. Or about the distance your army travels when chasing down an enemy force.

1) If this was the case the villagers would just move into the town - why go raiding when you can just get a job? The tribes that become bandits will be those isolated from Chinese society.

2-3) Again, I really really doubt that the Chinese wouldn't be able to tell the difference in this situation. If looters are entering the field and don't look Chinese they're going to get shot at because the Chinese will assume they are bandits of some type. It makes more sense for them to hang back.

4) Okay, but my entire army doesn't run after the enemy in most cases - it's just not necessary. Also, what would the bandits give the villagers that the Chinese haven't already? Food? Their granaries are in their towns, not in the bandit camps.

[Ralnis]

Something stupid that may be used by the Roving King during the invasion of Yin Yi's Kingdom. As a concept.

[Joohan]

1) If this was the case the villagers would just move into the town - why go raiding when you can just get a job? The tribes that become bandits will be those isolated from Chinese society.

For the same reason they didn't submit themselves to Aaron's system the first time. They desire the resources of China without any of the constraints. It's the same reason the goths sacked Rome, and the same reason held by all opportunistic peoples everywhere throughout history.

2-3) Again, I really really doubt that the Chinese wouldn't be able to tell the difference in this situation. If looters are entering the field and don't look Chinese.

Chinese at this point is a system, not a culture or ethnicity. What you've said would be like looking at someone and being able to tell they're a libertarian. China is a system constituted of many tribes and clans. The tribes you are fighting will almost certainly be related to whatever people in the given area happened to have sworn themselves into your system. They look the same, they talk the same, they dress the same - the only odd looking and obviously foreign people on a battlefield would be whatever troops the Chinese happened to have brought in from across their vast empire.

4) Okay, but my entire army doesn't run after the enemy in most cases - it's just not necessary. Also, what would the bandits give the villagers that the Chinese haven't already? Food? Their granaries are in their towns, not in the bandit camps.

And what do you do with your tired and injured soldiers who don't go off pursuing the enemy? Do you leave them among the corpses and carnage? No, you take them back to camp to heal and eat. Once the living are taken care of the, the dead can be attended to.

I imagine what your enemies offer various from place to place: marriages, hides, worked goods, access to travel or hunting grounds, live stock, paying off a debt - could be a lot of things.

[Joohan]

Something stupid that may be used by the Roving King during the invasion of Yin Yi's Kingdom. As a concept.

You'd probably need more than two horses for a mobile battle carriage. But your idea does have historical precedent

[Orostan]

1) If this was the case the villagers would just move into the town - why go raiding when you can just get a job? The tribes that become bandits will be those isolated from Chinese society.

For the same reason they didn't submit themselves to Aaron's system the first time. They desire the resources of China without any of the constraints. It's the same reason the goths sacked Rome, and the same reason held by all opportunistic peoples everywhere throughout history.

2-3) Again, I really really doubt that the Chinese wouldn't be able to tell the difference in this situation. If looters are entering the field and don't look Chinese.

Chinese at this point is a system, not a culture or ethnicity. What you've said would be like looking at someone and being able to tell they're a libertarian. China is a system constituted of many tribes and clans. The tribes you are fighting will almost certainly be related to whatever people in the given area happened to have sworn themselves into your system. They look the same, they talk the same, they dress the same - the only odd looking and obviously foreign people on a battlefield would be whatever troops the Chinese happened to have brought in from across their vast empire.

4) Okay, but my entire army doesn't run after the enemy in most cases - it's just not necessary. Also, what would the bandits give the villagers that the Chinese haven't already? Food? Their granaries are in their towns, not in the bandit camps.

And what do you do with your tired and injured soldiers who don't go off pursuing the enemy? Do you leave them among the corpses and carnage? No, you take them back to camp to heal and eat. Once the living are taken care of the, the dead can be attended to.

I imagine what your enemies offer various from place to place: marriages, hides, worked goods, access to travel or hunting grounds, live stock, paying off a debt - could be a lot of things.

1) Okay then they get killed or get moved into a settlement where they can actually be productive members of society. Parasitism is also work and a lot of bandits are going to make the calculation that its safer to just get a job rather than continue dangerous raiding. Hell, I don't have to enslave people if its in their best interest to stop being idiots.

2) They don't actually dress the same, people in China would be dressed in mass produced textiles at this point that would be easily recognizable when compared to everything else. If they're not wearing Chinese clothing they are probably a bandit.

3) Why would people lack travel, hunting grounds, live stock, marriages, worked goods, hides, or anything like that unless the bandits were taking it from them? They can get everything like that in China unless the bandits are causing them problems - in which case the nearest provincial defense army will be over shortly to kill people until the problem stops existing.

[Joohan]

1) Okay then they get killed or get moved into a settlement where they can actually be productive members of society. Parasitism is also work and a lot of bandits are going to make the calculation that its safer to just get a job rather than continue dangerous raiding. Hell, I don't have to enslave people if its in their best interest to stop being idiots.

Tell that to the Huns, Goths, Mongols, Franks, Saxons, Arabs, Comanche, Vikings, Bulgars, Iroquis, Avars, Tartars, Timurids, and literally every other civilization in history that ever declared war as opposed to being annexed. If they didn't think they could win, they'd have joined you years ago, and some did! Obviously though, a lot of people think they can beat you, and for the last few years have been testing the hypothesis.

2) They don't actually dress the same, people in China would be dressed in mass produced textiles at this point that would be easily recognizable when compared to everything else.

You've made hundreds of thousands of people abandon their traditional clothing and provided them with a new uniform set of textiles in only a few years? Not only this, but you've also somehow managed to ensure that foreign tribes ( the same foreign tribes who've been secretly receiving tribute from your cities for years by the way ) didn't get a hold of any of these textiles? On those two points I see no feasible way for Aaron to have accomplished this. On a third point, I don't recall, but do you have any IC posts actually dedicated to textile production?

3) Why would people lack travel, hunting grounds, live stock, marriages, worked goods, hides, or anything like that unless the bandits were taking it from them? They can get everything like that in China unless the bandits are causing them problems - in which case the nearest provincial defense army will be over shortly to kill people until the problem stops existing.

Aaron's government provides marriages? You just walk on down to the old supply depot and pick up a bride? Weeaboo's paradise over here...

Jokes aside, there are a lot of things which Aaron's system couldn't provide, even in peace time. Live stock is too valuable a thing to be given just as freely as one might a piece of clothing, and it's distribution would need to be closely regulated - akin to a luxury item. Rights to hunting grounds aren't really something a riparian state can provide in any meaningful capacity, so you'd need to work something out with the people who do own viable hunting grounds. Same for travel, if you mean to travel through a tribes lands safely, you would need to have their permission. As for basic commodities, there is a war going on right now - shortages are abundant and supply chains are often disrupted. Supply depots are often going to be running dry on basic items, so you might need to look elsewhere.

[Orostan]

1) Okay then they get killed or get moved into a settlement where they can actually be productive members of society. Parasitism is also work and a lot of bandits are going to make the calculation that its safer to just get a job rather than continue dangerous raiding. Hell, I don't have to enslave people if its in their best interest to stop being idiots.

Tell that to the Huns, Goths, Mongols, Franks, Saxons, Arabs, Comanche, Vikings, Bulgars, Iroquis, Avars, Tartars, Timurids, and literally every other civilization in history that ever declared war as opposed to being annexed. If they didn't think they could win, they'd have joined you years ago, and some did! Obviously though, a lot of people think they can beat you, and for the last few years have been testing the hypothesis.

2) They don't actually dress the same, people in China would be dressed in mass produced textiles at this point that would be easily recognizable when compared to everything else.

You've made hundreds of thousands of people abandon their traditional clothing and provided them with a new uniform set of textiles in only a few years? Not only this, but you've also somehow managed to ensure that foreign tribes ( the same foreign tribes who've been secretly receiving tribute from your cities for years by the way ) didn't get a hold of any of these textiles? On those two points I see no feasible way for Aaron to have accomplished this. On a third point, I don't recall, but do you have any IC posts actually dedicated to textile production?

3) Why would people lack travel, hunting grounds, live stock, marriages, worked goods, hides, or anything like that unless the bandits were taking it from them? They can get everything like that in China unless the bandits are causing them problems - in which case the nearest provincial defense army will be over shortly to kill people until the problem stops existing.

Aaron's government provides marriages? You just walk on down to the old supply depot and pick up a bride? Weeaboo's paradise over here...

Jokes aside, there are a lot of things which Aaron's system couldn't provide, even in peace time. Live stock is too valuable a thing to be given just as freely as one might a piece of clothing, and it's distribution would need to be closely regulated - akin to a luxury item. Rights to hunting grounds aren't really something a riparian state can provide in any meaningful capacity, so you'd need to work something out with the people who do own viable hunting grounds. Same for travel, if you mean to travel through a tribes lands safely, you would need to have their permission. As for basic commodities, there is a war going on right now - shortages are abundant and supply chains are often disrupted. Supply depots are often going to be running dry on basic items, so you might need to look elsewhere.

1. None of those people raided for the hell of it, there were a bunch of complex motivations between their actions that ranged from empire building to stealing from an empire that wouldn't share. The Goths for example came to the Eastern Roman Empire for protection but were betrayed by it and sold into slavery. They fought for that reason. China didn't enslave anyone first, and even then the sort of forced labor that exists in China is hardly as bad on average than what the Romans did.

2. No, I've made textiles for a while now and written about their development for a while now. Bandits absolutely have some textiles but not enough to impersonate Chinese people to loot the field of a battle.

3. yeah bro the chinese have a state issued gf system.

Fuck no, there are just more people in a chinese town and they're probably more desirable to marry than some unwashed barbarian. Livestock is regulated as a luxury item and everyone uses the same hunting grounds because land ownership doesn't exist. Tribes obviously have their own areas but they get that because they use it, as soon as they don't it stops being theirs. Also there would be no supply shortage of essentials after TWO YEARS of this, supply chains do suffer but there are no chronic shortages of food or basic tools anymore. Also, free movement is essential for trade and is something the central government considers non-negotiable. Any attempt by a tribe to impose some tax would be opposed by literally every other tribe because nobody benefits from it.

[Ralnis]

Something stupid that may be used by the Roving King during the invasion of Yin Yi's Kingdom. As a concept.

You'd probably need more than two horses for a mobile battle carriage. But your idea does have historical precedent

Oh yeah, I forgot that was a thing. Would be up there to get horse artillery as a thing during these wars.

[Suriyanakhon]

You've made hundreds of thousands of people abandon their traditional clothing and provided them with a new uniform set of textiles in only a few years?

That's some Khmer Rouge level totalitarianism right there.

[Joohan]

1. None of those people raided for the hell of it, there were a bunch of complex motivations between their actions that ranged from empire building to stealing from an empire that wouldn't share. The Goths for example came to the Eastern Roman Empire for protection but were betrayed by it and sold into slavery. They fought for that reason. China didn't enslave anyone first, and even then the sort of forced labor that exists in China is hardly as bad on average than what the Romans did.

Quite so, and these people have a motivation as well: their lands prospered because of the tribute given to them - and then you took that tribute away. Now they want it back. Wars have been started over much less.

2. No, I've made textiles for a while now and written about their development for a while now. Bandits absolutely have some textiles but not enough to impersonate Chinese people to loot the field of a battle.

Either these textiles are so abundant that they've convinced hundreds of thousands of people to abandon their traditional dress's, in which case it would be impossible to keep such uniforms out of foreign hands; or your production is so limited that foreign tribes couldn't acquire such uniforms in sufficient number. You can't have both. Either they're limited, or they're everywhere.

3. yeah bro the chinese have a state issued gf system.

everyone uses the same hunting grounds because land ownership doesn't exist.

Which is a pretty huge issue, and motivator for why people would look to hunting grounds beyond your borders. If anyone and everyone has equal access and right to use the same hunting grounds ( and mind you, as a riparian state you don't have a lot ) then those grounds will very quickly become depopulated of game.

Also there would be no supply shortage of essentials after TWO YEARS of this

Essentials, perhaps. I know G has some thoughts on the matter, but let's assume that Aaron has ensured the necessary things for men's survival; bread, timber, and a shirt. Course, man does not live off bread alone, and though surviving, few would regard a spartan living as living. If a man wants a plum he'll find a way to get a plum. In addition to this, disruption of a supply chain. You may be producing essentials, but that doesn't always mean that those items are getting to their destination. An army a thousand miles away could be blocking the road unbeknownst to you, or a raid party could have attacked and looted a supply caravan, meaning no essentials coming in that month.

Also, free movement is essential for trade and is something the central government considers non-negotiable.

Outside of it's own borders I don't see how it has the authority to enforce such a thing - any more than America can guarantee it's citizens right to freely travel across North Korea or Syria.

[Joohan]

You've made hundreds of thousands of people abandon their traditional clothing and provided them with a new uniform set of textiles in only a few years?

That's some Khmer Rouge level totalitarianism right there.

Aaron is just a more pyschopathic version of Icedonian Issac tbh

[Suriyanakhon]

This is starting to feel more like a HOI4 game than NC tbh.

[Ralnis]

That's some Khmer Rouge level totalitarianism right there.

Aaron is just a more pyschopathic version of Icedonian Issac tbh

Bo needs to start taking notes for the future.

Oro, how exactly are you able to know so much about where Hanajima's ships are to sail several hundred kilometers and ram them, as well as donate tools to the Korean population? I also don't know what infrastructure the Korean traders would have to reach China considering they seem to be villagers.

Aaron's just more sigma than Grace is.

[Joohan]

Hey, Oro, about your most recent post.

Establishing a military port in a foreign land and setting up a whole allied confederacy are some pretty huge things that seemed to have been glossed over. We've not really seen the Chinese interact much with Korea IC, and now that Hanajima is showing interest in the region, it would be interesting to actually see that change.

Chinese envoy's landing and meeting with tribal leaders, negotiating, the construction of the port, actually interacting with local tribes and trying to foster a relationship. We want to see a relationship strung out over numerous IC posts. The Hana in their post just landed, talked to a chief they knew, and made a declaration. They barely have a camp up yet.

Could you back track the first part of your post to kind of fit this idea? You just starting with a whole port and allied nation on your side is a bit boring and unrealistic.

[Ralnis]

So I need to make a map for the various lands of the Charioteers. A future sub-map.

[Endem]

I got some inspiration. Is the post good? I will try to make another post after someone posts, I still got some inspiration left.

[Orostan]

1. None of those people raided for the hell of it, there were a bunch of complex motivations between their actions that ranged from empire building to stealing from an empire that wouldn't share. The Goths for example came to the Eastern Roman Empire for protection but were betrayed by it and sold into slavery. They fought for that reason. China didn't enslave anyone first, and even then the sort of forced labor that exists in China is hardly as bad on average than what the Romans did.

Quite so, and these people have a motivation as well: their lands prospered because of the tribute given to them - and then you took that tribute away. Now they want it back. Wars have been started over much less.

2. No, I've made textiles for a while now and written about their development for a while now. Bandits absolutely have some textiles but not enough to impersonate Chinese people to loot the field of a battle.

Either these textiles are so abundant that they've convinced hundreds of thousands of people to abandon their traditional dress's, in which case it would be impossible to keep such uniforms out of foreign hands; or your production is so limited that foreign tribes couldn't acquire such uniforms in sufficient number. You can't have both. Either they're limited, or they're everywhere.

3. yeah bro the chinese have a state issued gf system.

everyone uses the same hunting grounds because land ownership doesn't exist.

Which is a pretty huge issue, and motivator for why people would look to hunting grounds beyond your borders. If anyone and everyone has equal access and right to use the same hunting grounds ( and mind you, as a riparian state you don't have a lot ) then those grounds will very quickly become depopulated of game.

Also there would be no supply shortage of essentials after TWO YEARS of this

Essentials, perhaps. I know G has some thoughts on the matter, but let's assume that Aaron has ensured the necessary things for men's survival; bread, timber, and a shirt. Course, man does not live off bread alone, and though surviving, few would regard a spartan living as living. If a man wants a plum he'll find a way to get a plum. In addition to this, disruption of a supply chain. You may be producing essentials, but that doesn't always mean that those items are getting to their destination. An army a thousand miles away could be blocking the road unbeknownst to you, or a raid party could have attacked and looted a supply caravan, meaning no essentials coming in that month.

Also, free movement is essential for trade and is something the central government considers non-negotiable.

Outside of it's own borders I don't see how it has the authority to enforce such a thing - any more than America can guarantee it's citizens right to freely travel across North Korea or Syria.

1) Yeah and their lands can prosper a lot more for a lot less danger and effort if they get jobs.

2) Alright, I’ll concede that point. I doubt Chinese looters would be very friendly to bandit looters though.

3) This is fucking idiotic. This is the equivalent of me arguing that because Suri never mentioned it murder is legal in Japan. OF COURSE THWRE ARE REGULATIONS ABOUT THIS. OF COURSE TRIBES CANT JUST TAKE EACH OTHERS STUFF. God damn.

4) is know about a big ass army and a raid would also be noticed. Shit doesn’t just disappear like that.Besides that I made it ABUNDANTLY clear that goods are traveling in convoys.

5) when the FUCK did I mention enforcing anything outside my own borders?

Hey, Oro, about your most recent post.

Establishing a military port in a foreign land and setting up a whole allied confederacy are some pretty huge things that seemed to have been glossed over. We've not really seen the Chinese interact much with Korea IC, and now that Hanajima is showing interest in the region, it would be interesting to actually see that change.

Chinese envoy's landing and meeting with tribal leaders, negotiating, the construction of the port, actually interacting with local tribes and trying to foster a relationship. We want to see a relationship strung out over numerous IC posts. The Hana in their post just landed, talked to a chief they knew, and made a declaration. They barely have a camp up yet.

Could you back track the first part of your post to kind of fit this idea? You just starting with a whole port and allied nation on your side is a bit boring and unrealistic.

Ok fine, I’ll delete that and put it in a new post.

That's some Khmer Rouge level totalitarianism right there.

Aaron is just a more pyschopathic version of Icedonian Issac tbh

cope and seethe when I deport all the Tibetans to Manchurian iron mines.

[Orostan]

This is starting to feel more like a HOI4 game than NC tbh.

I would be in a better writing mood if I didn’t feel like I was talking to a brick wall sometimes.

[Biwolfia]

Author Applicaiton
Name: Jonas Smith
Age: 20
Height and Weight: 5' 5"
Skin, hair, and eye description: Tan skin, very dark brown hair, brown eyes
( Optional ) Picture: Not doing one

Prior Profession: Wrote up Wendy's roasts (and also worked at Wendy's as a cook)
Level of education ( specify degrees or note worthy classes ): Is in the middle of college and is trying to get a major in Physics
Physique description: Average physical health and strength
Useful skills: Knows what elements can combine into others to make certain essential needs, and can perform the combinations to create things like water

National Origin: New Zealand
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: In the middle of writing an essay for Physics on the subject of the possibility of being able to split quarks
Description of personality: Seclusive, not the most talkative of people, but with close friends, many interesting discussions can and will take place
Where in the world are you landing?: The middle of Mesopotamia

Autobiography/Biography ( paragraph minimum ): Jonas was born in Auckland, New Zealand. His father was killed when he was 3, leaving him and his mother by themselves. They were able to survive until Jonas was old enough to get a job at Wendy's. Throughout his school years before getting a job, he was the "weird" kid at school. He never got along with anybody. He would constantly get into fights, but wouldn't share what happened.

His mother started getting worried about him and requested to his teachers in 6th grade whether he could have classes by himself to help him focus. The teachers agreed, and Jonas was given special classes by himself to keep him from getting into fights. He would be given special assignments and quickly became one of the smartest students in 6th grade. He was able to skip 7th grade and got into 8th grade quickly. When he got into college, he easily got into AP classes, and it gave him enough of a challenge that he wouldn't get bored in class.

Just after graduating from high school, he got a job at Wendy's as a cashier. He was promoted after a few months after showing his time management skills. He became a cook and raised the reviews through the roof. He made enough money that with him working a part-time job and his mom working a full-time job as a programmer that they were able to get a better house and living qualities. Jonas continued with school until now, when the story takes place.

Writing Sample: It was midnight and I was running through the woods. I wasn't sure what was chasing me or what they were going to do to me, but I knew that it wouldn't be good. By the way, my name is Janora Francis, but everybody calls me Jan. I'm 14 years old and I'm a runaway. Who I'm running from and why don't matter. All you need to know is that I'm terrified.

I'd been running for 3 days straight. I was wearing a backpack with food, water, and supplies. That's probably why my pursuer was able to stay on my trail, even though I'd been twisting and turning, zigging and zagging. I wasn't sure how much longer I could go, but it wouldn't be long until I had to stop. Suddenly, I ran out of breath. I couldn't go any farther. I was sure I would be caught. But, my pursuer stopped near me, looked around, and left.


( Optional on down)
What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?:
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: Mostly Sumeria and stuff like that, there's also a little bit of Greek inspiration in the building style, but the irrigation, agriculture, and law systems are all Sumerian and Babylonian.
Why did you chose to land where you did?: Because of the Fertile Crescent, an ideal spot to create a civilization.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Formal and peaceful
What are your character's motivations?: Just wanting to survive, hopefully get back to his mom somehow
Theme Song?: Immortals by Fall Out Boy; You Will Be Found by Dear Evan Hansen Cast
What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?:

So, some things to note:

Your skills - are they actually practical? In a laboratory setting, sure. Consider though, if you were naked in the forest with zero instruments and no people around who could provide either insight or tools. Are your listed skills actually useful? Could you give an example?

Second, you are free to land in Mesopotamia if you want, but you should know that it has been radically changed from our own timeline. Another Author named Luther Holly landed there a few decades ago, and he helped to create a more or less unified state, known as the holy dynasty. New technologies and ideas of religion and governance were introduced, heightening the area's overall development. About, I want to say fifteen years ago, a civil war started between various cities, which persists somewhat to this day. luther abandoned Sumeria about five years ago for China ( he's disappeared since ). Sumeria today is under going something i've likened to their own Sengoku Gidai

Just something to keep in mind if you want to land there, it's been touched already

I fixed mine

[G-Tech Corporation]

This is starting to feel more like a HOI4 game than NC tbh.

I would be in a better writing mood if I didn’t feel like I was talking to a brick wall sometimes.

The brick wall is there because you consistently push the upper bounds of what Joohan and I consider a reasonable rate of progress for your civilization, then complain if pushback doesn't come immediately because you've already moved on to the next thing and thus consider your last wildly unreasonable post a fait accompli. The brick wall will persist as long as it is necessary to ride herd on you to prevent this outcome.

[G-Tech Corporation]

1) They already have ten thousand men - it's been two years. Their numbers have built to all that is needed. I don't think protecting my stuff will prolong the conflict, if anything it will shorten it as bandits are forced to get into larger and larger groups to steal shit - and those large groups can be defeated by a Chinese army.

Yes, as we agreed, at the end of two years of upscaling China's army will be approaching her ten thousand man size. I certainly don't agree that that is 'all that is needed', or that defensive measures will enable China to pacify swathes of restive territory. Even with ten thousand men, say, if they are divided into battalions of five hundred soldiers each - China has far more points that need defense than she has armies capable of defending them. The last figure I heard from you was sixty cities, and that's not even getting into the economically valuable points in China which lay beyond her cities, or the trade between them.

Protect twenty cities with China's armies and deploy no soldiers in an offensive campaign - what happens to the unprotected cities and trade/communication/logistics between the cities?

2) I do not need a guard every ten feet along a road, I need enough people protecting convoys so it is prohibitively expensive to attack them. Cities have walls and the bandits have no siege equipment, it is not possible for the bandits to successfully attack an important city. Only towns or small cities with no big stone wall or less fortifications could be attacked and that's where most of the bandits would be.

Every city is walled in China? To the degree that it can withstand assault by force? In the ~6 years or less China has protected these cities? I find that very hard to believe, especially as China's population has been ballooning. I'm also skeptical of your opposing polities possessing no siege equipment. A battering ram, a siege ladder - these things we see from the very earliest points of human history, and require essentially no industrial base to produce.

3) I have explained my reasoning multiple times. 50% of the bandits were defeated already and those were the 50% in the closest contact and proximity with Chinese settlements. Convoys are well protected and there has been a campaign of genocide aimed at the bandits unlike anything else in the world at this point.

50% of the 'bandits' by numbers, sure. That says nothing about the states that support them, and the regrouped forces they can field. Even if China instantly knew which states those defeated armies came from, and immediately began marching her armies to every state which had been weakened for a time due to their losses, she wouldn't have reached even a fifth of those states within the first two years. The travel times simply don't support a hypothesis where China has pacified half of her foes in four campaign seasons. You'd be lucky to do that even with modern rail, frankly.

4) No cities are left to fend for themselves like that. Chinese armies are not clearing the country province by province, they are going road by road and city by city. All major cities have had their surroundings cleared out and when bandits move back into that territory they're going to all get killed by the next Chinese army.

How? How are no cities left to fend for themselves? I just don't get your logic. China doesn't have an army for every city, and what armies she does have can't exist everywhere at once in a superposition of states. There is no 'next Chinese army'. Even if the only thing Chinese armies are doing is marching between cities without rest, with zero campaigning in the countryside, China is too large for every city to have even been visited by an army in two years.

China is not fighting an organized insurgency with a central authority. it is fighting tribes of bandits that don't even speak the same language across the country and raid targets of opportunity. They don't want to set up kingdoms, they want easy loot.

Sure, on this point we agree - but you need to realize that they already have their kingdoms, their polities to which they answer. This easy loot is enriching their states and only increasing their desire for continued conflict, since they are getting rich quickly though said conflict.

5) Yes.

See, I just have to hard disagree here. A state at war on 80%+ of her borders isn't going to worry about political reorganization, or introducing new reaping machines, or military adventuring in Korea. Your posts are divorced from China's ongoing difficulties, and I need to see those difficulties reflected in your posts. China overextended herself, allowed corruption to flourish, and is now dealing with the consequences of Aaron's decisions.

6) Because if they don't they get killed to the man and attacking protected convoys full of shit they can't even use doesn't make sense.

Or they can continue looting undefended settlements and making off with valuable goods/slaves/etc. because China doesn't possess even a tenth of the forces needed to defend every point of her logistics system and populace?

7) Okay, then I hope they enjoy being killed off. China has already extended an olive branch to many of these groups and at this point most of them have three choices: 1) get out of china 2) surrender and deal with the Chinese as actually productive parts of their economy or 3) get exterminated.

Or they can... continue looting undefended settlements and making off with valuable goods blah blah blah.

What do you actually want this to look like? Just tell me what you want and get to the point so we can talk about this in terms that actually make sense. What do you think China should look like right now?

I've literally clearly stated this multiple times over the last month. China is not a state with her enemies subdued on every side, fleeing or enslaved or dead, busily engaging in Great Game diplomacy and peaceful innovation. Her armies must be busy actively campaigning against her foes if she ever seeks to achieve peace, and the lion's share of her efforts devoted to that outcome - replacing the casualties of constant warfare, supplying her immense armies with arms and armor, dealing with internal dissent from political detractors, the prestige loss from territory being overrun, likely fighting separatists, dealing with dissatisfaction from shortages in necessary goods, quelling a burgeoning refugee crisis - there are a dozen things China is dealing with.

Or, I suppose, you can just not deal with those problems. But then Aaron will be in a situation where China is shrinking into a vestige of her old self as her less important settlements make their accommodations with local powers to end the open warfare that China isn't protecting them from, and the YRS has lost large amounts of her resources and population to emigration or sacking.

[Joohan]

This is starting to feel more like a HOI4 game than NC tbh.

Have you not been not been min-maxing your divisions for the new meta?