New Civilizations [OOC | Always Open]

[Joohan]

That's a pretty swanky combination. Once I have some time in the December and this guy's still around, I might work with this guy. Be a true third power between Hanajima and the YRS.

smh at shen collaboration

Well you're a little biased, aren't you? If only you could see things from their end of the whip...

[Suriyanakhon]

This guy seems like someone Bo can follow.

I could definitely see the Collab. For what little i've written of him, my chief inspiration comes from a mix of Kublai Khan from the netflix marco polo show, and Walder Frey from game of thrones

[Joohan]

I could definitely see the Collab. For what little i've written of him, my chief inspiration comes from a mix of Kublai Khan from the netflix marco polo show, and Walder Frey from game of thrones

I did just watch a korean movie about the Qing invasion of 1636... I may have future events in mind for Sugedai

[Suriyanakhon]

I did just watch a korean movie about the Qing invasion of 1636... I may have future events in mind for Sugedai

That sounds like it is going to be very cursed. My hatred for the steppe peoples grows by the day.

[Joohan]

I did just watch a korean movie about the Qing invasion of 1636... I may have future events in mind for Sugedai

That sounds like it is going to be very cursed. My hatred for the steppe peoples grows by the day.

Would... Manchuria be considered steppe?

[Suriyanakhon]

That sounds like it is going to be very cursed. My hatred for the steppe peoples grows by the day.

Would... Manchuria be considered steppe?

It extends into there and I hear Manchu referred to as steppe people.

[The Hierophancy]

smh at shen collaboration

Well you're a little biased, aren't you? If only you could see things from their end of the whip...

In the end, can a man who fails to put themselves in the poor slavers shoes really consider himself any better than they? Some food for thought...

[Endem]

Well you're a little biased, aren't you? If only you could see things from their end of the whip...

In the end, can a man who fails to put themselves in the poor slavers shoes really consider himself any better than they? Some food for thought...

*Telltale games style pop-up appears*
>Aleksander will remember that

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Well you're a little biased, aren't you? If only you could see things from their end of the whip...

In the end, can a man who fails to put themselves in the poor slavers shoes really consider himself any better than they? Some food for thought...

No, they’re still 1000% better. Nerd.

[The Hierophancy]

In the end, can a man who fails to put themselves in the poor slavers shoes really consider himself any better than they? Some food for thought...

No, they’re still 1000% better. Nerd.

maybe examine your bigotry towards people of (human) property before calling others names, smh my head

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

No, they’re still 1000% better. Nerd.

maybe examine your bigotry towards people of (human) property before calling others names, smh my head

I recognize my slaverphonic comments and it’s something I’m working on. I deeply apologize to those ive hurt.

[Orostan]

No, they’re still 1000% better. Nerd.

maybe examine your bigotry towards people of (human) property before calling others names, smh my head

“Bigotry? Just like everything else China does it better than all others.”

*enslaves the japanese*

[Joohan]

hey, just got told i'll be leaving around 3 pm central time tomorrow and shouldn't be back till friday. Just letting yall know

[Suriyanakhon]

maybe examine your bigotry towards people of (human) property before calling others names, smh my head

“Bigotry? Just like everything else China does it better than all others.”

*enslaves the japanese*

Aaron will have plenty of time to fantasize about enslavement from the old folk's home when everyone realizes he's senile.

[G-Tech Corporation]

“Bigotry? Just like everything else China does it better than all others.”

*enslaves the japanese*

Aaron will have plenty of time to fantasize about enslavement from the old folk's home when everyone realizes he's senile.

Tbf I think slavery is a useful tool of governance in the Neolithic.

[The GAmeTopians]

Aaron will have plenty of time to fantasize about enslavement from the old folk's home when everyone realizes he's senile.

Tbf I think slavery is a useful tool of governance in the Neolithic.

Also to be fair, the conditions of slavery in the Imperium are quite different than they would be elsewhere in the Neolithic.

[Suriyanakhon]

Aaron will have plenty of time to fantasize about enslavement from the old folk's home when everyone realizes he's senile.

Tbf I think slavery is a useful tool of governance in the Neolithic.

Oh, it certainly is, but I meant more being obsessed with invading a place that isn't actually a threat to him and probably wasting tons of man hours.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Aaron will have plenty of time to fantasize about enslavement from the old folk's home when everyone realizes he's senile.

Tbf I think slavery is a useful tool of governance in the Neolithic.

Yeah, if you have intensive agriculture and an elaborate division of labor. Luckily for me… slaves don’t make great fishermen and herders.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Tbf I think slavery is a useful tool of governance in the Neolithic.

Yeah, if you have intensive agriculture and an elaborate division of labor. Luckily for me… slaves don’t make great fishermen and herders.

Actually I'm not categorically of the opinion that the Imperium's slaves (being largely drawn from hunter-gatherer populaces) would be much use for agriculture. Perhaps some for things like grist-mills, where windmills and watermills haven't been built, but otherwise they're much better used for brickmaking, or road-gangs, or moving cargos imo. Real zero-neuron tasks, heh.

[The GAmeTopians]

Yeah, if you have intensive agriculture and an elaborate division of labor. Luckily for me… slaves don’t make great fishermen and herders.

Actually I'm not categorically of the opinion that the Imperium's slaves (being largely drawn from hunter-gatherer populaces) would be much use for agriculture. Perhaps some for things like grist-mills, where windmills and watermills haven't been built, but otherwise they're much better used for brickmaking, or road-gangs, or moving cargos imo. Real zero-neuron tasks, heh.

I haven't gotten to this point yet, but I'm envisioning early servitude punishments in not!Rome to be pulling ploughs for men, and spinning wool for women - perhaps inserting something related to the quality of the work potentially reducing the sentence, or improving conditions.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Actually I'm not categorically of the opinion that the Imperium's slaves (being largely drawn from hunter-gatherer populaces) would be much use for agriculture. Perhaps some for things like grist-mills, where windmills and watermills haven't been built, but otherwise they're much better used for brickmaking, or road-gangs, or moving cargos imo. Real zero-neuron tasks, heh.

I haven't gotten to this point yet, but I'm envisioning early servitude punishments in not!Rome to be pulling ploughs for men, and spinning wool for women - perhaps inserting something related to the quality of the work potentially reducing the sentence, or improving conditions.

Ahhh, a judgement call by justice officials? An excellent opportunity for corruption!

Ploughs are a great idea though - Viktor would heartily approve, as that was the beginning of the debt-serf system. Spinning, perhaps, though I think most spinning is still effectively done entirely by hand and whorl, and thus fairly skilled. A good use for female slaves, mayhaps, if they have the skill, but not categorically universalized until you get to wheels.

[The GAmeTopians]

I haven't gotten to this point yet, but I'm envisioning early servitude punishments in not!Rome to be pulling ploughs for men, and spinning wool for women - perhaps inserting something related to the quality of the work potentially reducing the sentence, or improving conditions.

Ahhh, a judgement call by justice officials? An excellent opportunity for corruption!

Ploughs are a great idea though - Viktor would heartily approve, as that was the beginning of the debt-serf system. Spinning, perhaps, though I think most spinning is still effectively done entirely by hand and whorl, and thus fairly skilled. A good use for female slaves, mayhaps, if they have the skill, but not categorically universalized until you get to wheels.

True, true - but you have to find some way to encourage better work, particularly in a more skilled field like spinning, as you say.

The idea, in theory, is that (much like in Ancient Rome) I want to have the skill of wool spinning be widespread enough among women, once the gathering of plants is rendered largely unnecessary by improved agriculture, that most will at least have the base ability - unlike Ancient Rome, though, they would only be forced to engage in the task as servitude for a crime. Meh, I have time to hash out the details.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

I haven't gotten to this point yet, but I'm envisioning early servitude punishments in not!Rome to be pulling ploughs for men, and spinning wool for women - perhaps inserting something related to the quality of the work potentially reducing the sentence, or improving conditions.

Ahhh, a judgement call by justice officials? An excellent opportunity for corruption!

Ploughs are a great idea though - Viktor would heartily approve, as that was the beginning of the debt-serf system. Spinning, perhaps, though I think most spinning is still effectively done entirely by hand and whorl, and thus fairly skilled. A good use for female slaves, mayhaps, if they have the skill, but not categorically universalized until you get to wheels.

>Debt serf system

Sounds like hell

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ahhh, a judgement call by justice officials? An excellent opportunity for corruption!

Ploughs are a great idea though - Viktor would heartily approve, as that was the beginning of the debt-serf system. Spinning, perhaps, though I think most spinning is still effectively done entirely by hand and whorl, and thus fairly skilled. A good use for female slaves, mayhaps, if they have the skill, but not categorically universalized until you get to wheels.

>Debt serf system

Sounds like hell

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Or, yknow. Don't be poor. Then you have to pay in sweat instead of weregild for civil offenses. What a shame, being poor. Best not to do that.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

A very Christian mentality, that. :p

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Surprised nobody’s brought up mining yet; if there’s an industry in the ancient world with working conditions that are so miserable that you’d be hard-pressed to get free citizens to do it, there’s one that stands out right there.