Divinity/Humanity OOC

[The H Corporation]

So, I never elaborated a lot for the goddess Eir, but now that we are talking about academies and stuff and all that talk about if I remember correctly the Ruins of Bury

*Checks to see if it is right*
Yeah, those ones. There could be a possibility that apart from them there are small academies related to medicine but just like in the feudal times, there were doctors able to cure small diseases with the exception of the pandemics like in this case the "Black Snow". Now to what I was talking about, how medicine may be taught in the cities may be different from those in the ruins of Bury like for example in Bury the doctors/healers/etc. are more focused on the teachings of Eir which are help anyone without any preference or waiting for a reward for it (Because being a doctor is all about helping the people whether they are friends or foes) while the doctors in most if not all of the cities they work only for the nobles in exchange of power or protection, a good example of greed, which inevitably caused a conflict between the 2 but in the end, the ones that have the most chances to survive are the noble doctors.

You know what to make it easier to differentiate between them, let's call those living in the ruins "sykepleiers" which means nurse and the ones taking care of the nobles let's call them "doktors", yeah instead of a 'c' a 'k'. Now to elaborate a little bit on why there are more doktors than sykepleiers is because the nobles paid a lot to other mercenaries or groups of assassins to kill the syke, which explains their reduced numbers and why they live apart from the cities, and how they became a myth or legend.

Idk if that would be okay, or if I explained myself correctly.

I could see some rivalry between medical professionals who want to get out and help everyone and those who would rather shack up in a city and try to save their own skin but I'm not sure about assassinations given that I don't feel anyone in authority would like having less doctors around during such a dangerous time for disease.

Its fine its just an idea I just came up with, we can just eliminate that assassination part and just stick with the rivalry part

[The H Corporation]

You know what to make it easier to differentiate between them, let's call those living in the ruins "sykepleiers" which means nurse and the ones taking care of the nobles let's call them "doktors", yeah instead of a 'c' a 'k'. Now to elaborate a little bit on why there are more doktors than sykepleiers is because the nobles paid a lot to other mercenaries or groups of assassins to kill the syke, which explains their reduced numbers and why they live apart from the cities, and how they became a myth or legend.

Idk if that would be okay, or if I explained myself correctly.

Maybe Reme could be an exception then?

Because I put 4 doctors, 8 nurses, and 4 apothecaries in Reme.

Urban
Population: 1,150
Working Age: 460
Breakdown:
- 30 monks
- 24 clergy
- 15 council members
- 30 scholars
- 60 palace staff
- 50 merchants
- 1 harbour lighthouse operator
- 100 trades
- 46 military
- 16 medical professionals
- 5 tax
- 8 inspectors
- 6 maintenance
- 6 legal experts
- 5 water handler
- 8 storage
- 8 granary
- 14 entertainers
- 4 palace guards
- 12 police officers
- 12 firefighters

There could be exceptions, I just don't know how to make that work

[Nations United for Conquest]

Put up a short post just sort of introducing Tilian. It's a bit rushed but my dumbass also decided like 22:00 was the best time to start writing a post. It's a bit unrefined for my taste, but I'll hopefully clean it up a bit once I get into the grove a little more. Covid Shot II is a bitch afterall.

For Eavan's side, maybe I'll feel like writing it tomorrow? Maybe it won't come till next weekend, or sometime between. Hard to say.

[Ceystile]

Guys, I'm tryna post for Polly and Hattie next but I'm stuck.

[The H Corporation]

Guys, I'm tryna post for Polly and Hattie next but I'm stuck.

Don't worry take your time

[Cainesland]

Take your time. Are you wanting ideas? Where are you stuck?

[Nations United for Conquest]

Guys, I'm tryna post for Polly and Hattie next but I'm stuck.

Sometimes the pressure in these things can come from having to find a way to constantly advance a plot. People get caught up in the notion that every post has to be something big or major or important to pushing along the plot. I know I've felt that way a few times in the past. Everyone is worried about pushing forward, but there's no issue with pushing out. Trees grow outwards just as much as they grow upwards, after all. If you can't think of the next big leg on the journey from A to B, take a moment to look around and maybe take the scenic route with your story. I'm not saying to just make up some filler, but maybe focus on something singular. Like a little dribble about your character(s) coming across a destroyed and abandoned caravan. Maybe they even find useful information towards their quest or a peculiar item which seems an oddity at first but could end up being important later. Plus it's a good way to get an excuse to explore your character which can naturally open pathways for more main plot relevant posts in the future

[Cainesland]

Guys, I'm tryna post for Polly and Hattie next but I'm stuck.

Sometimes the pressure in these things can come from having to find a way to constantly advance a plot. People get caught up in the notion that every post has to be something big or major or important to pushing along the plot. I know I've felt that way a few times in the past. Everyone is worried about pushing forward, but there's no issue with pushing out. Trees grow outwards just as much as they grow upwards, after all. If you can't think of the next big leg on the journey from A to B, take a moment to look around and maybe take the scenic route with your story. I'm not saying to just make up some filler, but maybe focus on something singular. Like a little dribble about your character(s) coming across a destroyed and abandoned caravan. Maybe they even find useful information towards their quest or a peculiar item which seems an oddity at first but could end up being important later. Plus it's a good way to get an excuse to explore your character which can naturally open pathways for more main plot relevant posts in the future

That’s a good idea

[Cainesland]

Based on the ifea of Cygic having academic institution I am currently brainstorming something like an academy level and a university level. With their being around 4 active universities, and an academy level in all cities that look something like this:

Elementary - Reading/Writing and Grammar
K - Helpfulness, Religion, Early literature, mathematics, citizenship and identity, environment and community awareness, personal and social responsibility, creative expression
1 - Home Life, Religion, Celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies, art
2 - Work, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
3 - Golden Deeds, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,

Middle - classical literature and Logic
4 - Loyalty, law institutions and Digest part 1, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
5 - Friendship, law Digest part 2 and 3, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
6 - Patriotism, law texts, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
7 - Choosing a calling , law private study and Digest part 4, Military History, Religion, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
8 - law constitutions, religion, Military History, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,

Secondary - Rhetoric (persuasive, religious, acting, military)
9 - Military History, law private study, Religion, rhetoric, health and life skills, mathematics, science, intro to magic and taxes
10 - Military Studies, Geography, law private study, Religion, rhetoric, mathematics, science, intermediate introduction to magic and taxes
11 - Military Studies, Kingdom history, advanced introduction to magic and taxes, Religion, mathematics, science, rhetoric
12 - history of magic, biology and herbalism, chemistry and alchemy, abjuration and defence against malice, divination and defence against deception, charms, transmutation, rhetoric

[The H Corporation]

Based on the ifea of Cygic having academic institution I am currently brainstorming something like an academy level and a university level. With their being around 4 active universities, and an academy level in all cities that look something like this:

Elementary - Reading/Writing and Grammar
K - Helpfulness, Religion, Early literature, mathematics, citizenship and identity, environment and community awareness, personal and social responsibility, creative expression
1 - Home Life, Religion, Celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies, art
2 - Work, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
3 - Golden Deeds, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,

Middle - classical literature and Logic
4 - Loyalty, law institutions and Digest part 1, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
5 - Friendship, law Digest part 2 and 3, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
6 - Patriotism, law texts, Religion, art, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
7 - Choosing a calling , law private study and Digest part 4, Military History, Religion, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,
8 - law constitutions, religion, Military History, celestial language arts, health and life skills, mathematics, science, social studies,

Secondary - Rhetoric (persuasive, religious, acting, military)
9 - Military History, law private study, Religion, rhetoric, health and life skills, mathematics, science, intro to magic and taxes
10 - Military Studies, Geography, law private study, Religion, rhetoric, mathematics, science, intermediate introduction to magic and taxes
11 - Military Studies, Kingdom history, advanced introduction to magic and taxes, Religion, mathematics, science, rhetoric
12 - history of magic, biology and herbalism, chemistry and alchemy, abjuration and defence against malice, divination and defence against deception, charms, transmutation, rhetoric

Looks cool

[Cainesland]

Thank you

[Flohaland]

I have a couple lore ideas:

Similar to the Greek myth where men were made of first gold then silver and then bronze, humans were not made first. First the giants were made, and they resembled more the Norse giants then just being large men. They were magical and immortal, as death had not yet been invented. In the same time huge monsters like dragons were made. Some of the giants rebelled. To punish the giants they imprisoned them. Then they created the fairyland and fairies and smaller magical beings. However, one of the fairies freed the rebel giants. Thus the gods created death and thereafter, the mortal world. Some of the giants were killed right away, but others were sent to the mortal world to die. Because, in the mortal world eventually everything dies, except the gods.


Second, World history could go like this:

An Empire ruled the whole of our map, as well as the area to the south. Maybe the empire changed a bit over time, maybe even being a series of empire like the Medes, Persians and Babylonian Empires. Since they come from the south over the sea, the coastal cities are more influenced by their culture and the north and east less so. The Empire receded maybe 1000 years ago and the kingdom exists in it's current form for maybe 120 years.


Languages (Open to better names)

Imperial-used mostly for law and magic
Ancient - Used for magic and religion
Noble - used by the nobles and educated people.
Common - used by everyone
Eastern - used in the East.

[Cainesland]

When I put Celestial language arts I figured that involved learning the language of deities.

[Cainesland]

Because people probably usually become apprentices or squires at 14 I am thinking of changing social studies to magic and taxes in year 7 and 8, with military history filling that function. That way everyone has a basic understanding of taxes and magic by the time they leave formal education if they go on to an apprenticeship as a knight or trade or merchant.

If it’s ok since we are in Fall I might say first week of September. That way the school semester is just starting. Since going from Reme to the capital is probably a month long journey Merlin might grab around 10 books to study from during the travel process. Maybe being given with some shrinking powder or a magic holding bag to handle the weight.

Grade 7, age 12
Book subjects:
Choosing a calling,
law Digest part 4,
Military History,
Religion,
Celestial language arts,
Health and Life Skills,
mathematics,
science,
intro to magic
Intro to taxes

[Canis Rex]

I have a couple lore ideas:

Similar to the Greek myth where men were made of first gold then silver and then bronze, humans were not made first. First the giants were made, and they resembled more the Norse giants then just being large men. They were magical and immortal, as death had not yet been invented. In the same time huge monsters like dragons were made. Some of the giants rebelled. To punish the giants they imprisoned them. Then they created the fairyland and fairies and smaller magical beings. However, one of the fairies freed the rebel giants. Thus the gods created death and thereafter, the mortal world. Some of the giants were killed right away, but others were sent to the mortal world to die. Because, in the mortal world eventually everything dies, except the gods.


Second, World history could go like this:

An Empire ruled the whole of our map, as well as the area to the south. Maybe the empire changed a bit over time, maybe even being a series of empire like the Medes, Persians and Babylonian Empires. Since they come from the south over the sea, the coastal cities are more influenced by their culture and the north and east less so. The Empire receded maybe 1000 years ago and the kingdom exists in it's current form for maybe 120 years.


Languages (Open to better names)

Imperial-used mostly for law and magic
Ancient - Used for magic and religion
Noble - used by the nobles and educated people.
Common - used by everyone
Eastern - used in the East.

Technically the pantheon didn't even create humans (in a roundabout way maybe but they weren't trying to create life of any sort at the time) and really only nurtured them to help them survive. As for history, Dystrairia's would be a bit more united than ours because of the very real presence of their deities. There have been conflict and wars, but fewer and they usually took time to build from a deep hatred between sides. No alternate religions have really taken off, just some different interpretations of the deities they have is the closest to alternate most people get.

[Kaledoria]

Barapam: Btw, you can just kill the monster, it's not meant to be really challenging. Just as an opportunity to show excellence, so Kylie realizes what she had heard about the Knights of the Tower (that 14 years ago, they adopted a baby, most certainly a demigod).

[Flohaland]

Technically the pantheon didn't even create humans (in a roundabout way maybe but they weren't trying to create life of any sort at the time) and really only nurtured them to help them survive. As for history, Dystrairia's would be a bit more united than ours because of the very real presence of their deities. There have been conflict and wars, but fewer and they usually took time to build from a deep hatred between sides. No alternate religions have really taken off, just some different interpretations of the deities they have is the closest to alternate most people get.

Ok, can you explain how the gods created humans?

I also don't see how deep hatred or alternative religions had to do what I suggested. It seems that you are suggesting that those are necessary for conflict, war and maybe even empires.

I guess it depends on the relationship between humans and gods. Like did gods actually get involved in human politics, like rule them directly. However, humans would probably spread out, as groups migrate in search of food and other resources on the form of unoccupied lands

[Nations United for Conquest]

Ok, can you explain how the gods created humans?

I also don't see how deep hatred or alternative religions had to do what I suggested. It seems that you are suggesting that those are necessary for conflict, war and maybe even empires.

I guess it depends on the relationship between humans and gods. Like did gods actually get involved in human politics, like rule them directly. However, humans would probably spread out, as groups migrate in search of food and other resources on the form of unoccupied lands

So, part of the issue I'm seeing is whilst your borrowing from the Greco-Roman history of their pantheon, your neglecting the fact that there were multiple generations of Gods, and the most well known generation--The Olympians--were the youngest and overthrew or defeat those that came before. You're trying to place our Gods in the role of both the original creators of the world and the new Gods, and the idea of our Gods experimenting doesn't make a lot of sense, largely because we currently don't have any gods that have to do with life or creation, so technically no one could've made Humans or any other race, save for animals and a few mystical beasts, apparently.

There's also the factor that the relationship between gods in the pantheon is very loose. Very few are bound by any familial bonds and there's no real criteria for how old any God is compared to another, especially considering that with the exception of maybe Eirya or possibly Grasta, there's no indication any one in the Pantheon could've existed before Man came about. Several gods' histories allude to the fact that their physical manifestations [and yes, I realize these are mainly mine, but they're also the only with concrete "history"] caused by the beliefs of Man. As it stands a good portion of our Gods are manifestations of either pre-existing phenomenon; the sun, stars, moon, death, fertility, healing, or some sort of craft that can only be associated with man; music, song, council, logic/reason, freedom, etc. None seem to every be stated as existing in some form where they had a "will of the their own" or at least a personality prior to man existing.

As for religious influence on society and peaceful results, its probably due to religious hegemony in the Kingdom and Continent because of a far reaching, semi-formally practiced religion. Religion has caused some of the greatest wars in history and largely removing that from the equation lowers the amount of conflict that brews. It also bolsters a common culture so once a central power arises, and given there's no King God, so internal or civil strife is also lowered cause mostly everyone in the Kingdom is seen as of the same kind, cause even if their area is linked to a particular deity they still worship the others.

That's my two cents on the matter

[Flohaland]

I am not sure why you think religion caused the biggest or wars in history. The biggest religious wars I can think of is the 30 years wars. Those however, were between worshipers of the same God. Looking at the rest of history, and specifically what all wars had in common, one could argue that geography caused most of the wars.

I think my problem is that in all the gods created this and that I forgot this:

Since we're going a little into the pantheon's history now, figured I could chip in with what I've had so far. The deities (original ones, not their creations or children) are all eternal and immortal. There isn't a time when they didn't exist and they are responsible for the concept of creation itself when one decided they wanted to see what they could make out of the primordial darkness. Things like time and space came to be. Others decided that looked interesting and started creating celestial bodies. Stars, black holes, the sun, moon, etc. But the new universe didn't stop when they did and creation was happening on its own. Eventually a planet with a seed of life appeared. You can guess what that is. But how it came to have humans and animals and all is part of the plot because it does involve conflict between the pantheon and I would rather not spoil it.
As for their war habits, they've mostly at least civil with one another simply for everything else's sake. It wouldn't be very good for the surroundings for two of them to go full tilt on each other. Plus so far no deity has ever died so they seem to utterly immortal. For humans, they try to 'guide' them down the correct path in wars. Issue being of course they may have different ideas for what is the right way.

[Canis Rex]

I'm a little hesitant to explain how life started at the moment because it will probably make some of the conflict pretty easy to guess and I didn't think anyone would want spoilered that quickly.
As for history, NUC explained it pretty well with religious hegemony. Dystrairia has never had a war over who believed in the right deity, the pantheon's existence is very well known. So that both takes away a source of conflict as well as adds an element of common ground for would-be enemies.
The highlighted bit of the post hopefully hints well enough without me giving away too much. The pantheon began creation but it went off on its own at some point like a chain reaction even after they stopped actively creating. So none of them decided 'I'm going to create humans' but their actions during the early days of the planet would give rise to humanity.

[Cainesland]

We have interesting relations between the deities

Cygic is rivals with Mycron, countering deception with reason and logic. He is also not a big fan of Cosain for interfering in his work.

Cygic, Liara, Vashti, Fás and/or Grásta have the alcohol market.

Treoir and Fás have the land based food market

Zimde, Treoir, Liara, and Grásta have the entertainment market

Luria, Grasta and Cosain have space, being the moon, sun, and stars respectively.

Darcon and Fás have family life.

Cygic, Vashti, and Eir are in education. Cygic doing formal education, magic school and things like alchemy, Vashti handling trades like carpentry, masonry, arms and armour, glass making, sculptures, etc, and Eir handling medical training to be a doctor, nurse, apothecary, herbalism, and basic first aid.

Cosain, Cygic, and Eiryia involved in the future. Cygic predicting the future, Cosain handling fate, and Eiryia cutting life when fate deems their time over.

Cygic, Treoir, and Fás involved in government. With Cygic being responsible for its structure, laws and law enforcement, and for its reasonable and logical decisions, Treoir being responsible for proper council, and Fás being responsible for the sovereignty of the state to be upheld. This probably makes Fás a patron deity of the kingdom I am guessing.

Cygic and Liara involved in gambling

Fas and Ardemia involved in Druidism

And other connections with the possibility of some overlap between domains

[Barapam]

Barapam: Btw, you can just kill the monster, it's not meant to be really challenging. Just as an opportunity to show excellence, so Kylie realizes what she had heard about the Knights of the Tower (that 14 years ago, they adopted a baby, most certainly a demigod).

Ok! Been having a lot at work lately and been all out of energy once I've gotten home in the evenings (sorry if I've been holding you up), but I have the day off tomorrow and should be able to get a post up.

[Cainesland]

Since the Templars were known for having a kind of early banking system to defend pilgrims against banditry I thought it would be interesting if the knights of the travellers also had that. That’s why Merlin handed his money over in my last post. Is that ok with you guys?

[Flohaland]

Since the Templars were known for having a kind of early banking system to defend pilgrims against banditry I thought it would be interesting if the knights of the travellers also had that. That’s why Merlin handed his money over in my last post. Is that ok with you guys?

That sounds like a good idea. I like it. I will also use this opportunity to give my opinion on money in general. One of my pet peeves is rpg video games where things cost like 1,000 gold for a quarterstaff, and the lowest level monsters drop 100 gold. In real life gold coins were rare, especially before the new world was discovered. That, in my mind is not only realistic, but simpler. I mean if 30 pieces of gold is enough to buy something really expensive, like a horse. Then you don't have to carry that much money.

I don't think that we need to make an exact conversation system like so and so many copper coins are worth x silver and y gold. I think that we could just say copper coins are for small purchases, like a meal. Silver are for more expensive purchases, like a month rations. Gold then, would be reserved for paying large debts or inorder to carry large quantities of money.

[Flohaland]

When I put Celestial language arts I figured that involved learning the language of deities.

I like the idea of the deities having their own language. I wonder though, if it wouldn't be something that was considered secret and holy. Knowledge, that would be guarded like a trade secret by priests and magicians.

We definitely need more than one language, otherwise Merlin's ability is basically nothing. My idea for the imperial language is that it would basically be like Latin. I noticed that Uirean was suggested as a language. We should probably just call the official language of the kingdom Ayrtican with a high and low variant. I have used the Eastern language in character, so I guess that makes it canon. Perhaps the Arcane runes are also a language?

I will say that your academy appears to me to be very modern. In the middle ages, and even earlier, education centered on the seven liberal arts: grammar, logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. I am also confused by the K-12 designation for an academy. Grammar schools focused mainly on just Grammar, but that meant mostly Latin and reading and writing. So, a lot of the values were taught through which texts they read. Also, what does home life mean? I hope it is not home economics. Everyone who is in school probably had servants at home.