1905: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-OPEN]

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[Tracian Empire]

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Full Nation Name : The Aksuni Empire/ The Empire of Aksum

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The population is indeed too large, as it has been pointed out. Ethiopia had a population of 12-13 million at this point in time, with maybe another million in Somalia, 400,000 in Eritrea, and a few more hundred thousand in those portions of Yemen you have, and maybe another million from Sudan. Now, it's true that without the famines and with the advent of industrialization, the population would be much higher - but 50 million is far too much, especially considering that said industrialization would be limited to your urban and coastal areas.

My personal estimation would be of up to 25-28 million, but you should mention the factors that led to such an increase in your history.

Now, for the industrialization, you should probably mention the help from other nations, like the ERE. Like I pointed out in the Discord, the rule about opening enterprises only jointly with Ethiopians, while fair, would have probably discouraged foreigners. There is also the fact that a lot of projects, especially the big infrastructure ones, would have had to be state-sponsored, so you would have certainly needed some loans. The ERE would have been willing and interested to support Aksum, so you can mention them, if you can find other nations that you could also mention those. And you should probably more firmly emphasize that the other regions wouldn't only be agricultural and rural, they'd be still pretty underdeveloped.

Your army description is not finished. A few more details about how modern your navy is would also be needed.

Now as for your history:

• As the player in question mentioned, it's the Empire of Asia. Hellenistic Empire isn't wrong, but it could cause confusion to other players.
• If your divergence is Aksum remaining as a power after the Muslim conquests, you need to find a reason to explain it. You'd need military strength to resist the Arab incursions, we can ignore the climate change since that theory is still disputed, but you'd still have been cut off from trade, and Aksum by itself wouldn't have been able to resist the Arabs at sea. So try to discuss with the Asian player, or maybe the Indian player about what nations at the time would have been able to oppose resistance to Arab navies in the Indian Ocean at the time, so that Aksum could at least maintain part of its trade routes to Asia.
  
  Alternatively, you could have them decline as they did in real life, and have them lose the coast, but have them save themselves from collapse and return later on once the Arab power was started to be broken. But there needs to be a divergence, and it needs to be explained.
  
  Other than that, you should mention the things I said about industrialization in the history. You should also at least mention how radical these reforms would have. Industrialization and Westernization are always radical, especially for society and culture, and there would have opposition to them.
  
  And as for railways in Sudan, those would still be limited. If conquests started only in 1890, then the area would still be somewhat volatile, and beyond that, you couldn't directly connect them to your core, since there is still a mountain range in between, but there could be a just established railway from Sudan to Eritrea, connected to your coast and maybe Aksum.

[Tracian Empire]

Heavy WIP

Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Prussia


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I know it's still a WIP, but just a few small mentions:

How is Wilhelm a Kaiser/Emperor, if the nation is a Kingdom? He should be a König.

And secondly, the name of the chambers of parliament is a bit confusing. Unless Prussia is a federal state, Bundesrat is a bit odd. Also generally in Germany, Tag, which is usually translated as Diet, was used for bigger assemblies and it eventually became the name for the main/lower chamber of parliament. Rat on the other hand means Council, and was consistently used for the upper house in Germany, Austria, and through the related terms, in Scandinavian countries. So your use of Rat and Tag is essentially switched here.

[Tracian Empire]

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Full Nation Name : Ha Emirate (ها إمارة)


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Accepted

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : Βασίλειο της Ασίας (Empire of Asia)



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Since you discussed religious and linguistic things with Kai, accepted

[Tracian Empire]

Application is written.

Full Nation Name: The official name of the country is Norðurlands sósíalískra ráðslýðvelda sambandsríkið (Insular Scandinavian), abbreviated NSRS, which translates to the Commonwealth of Northern Socialist Council Republics. In English-language discourse the country usually presents itself as the Northern Commonwealth, although in informal discourse many simply call it Scandinavia. In the Greek- and Latin-speaking spheres, Υπερβορεία, or Hyperborea, is common.


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[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Vandalusia, Mamlakat Alwandal, مملكة الوندال
Majority/Official Culture : Vandal (Official Court culture), Germano-Berber (Majority City Culture), Berber (Majority rural culture)
Territorial Core : Tunisia, Northern Algeria, and Tripilotania
Territorial Claim : Morocco, Cyrencia, Malta, Sicily, Sardinia, and the Balearic Islands
Capital City : Carthage/Karthago
Population : 8,632,000


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Accepted

[Alaroma]

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Full Nation Name : The Aksuni Empire/ The Empire of Aksum
Majority/Official Culture : Aksuni
Territorial Core : Modern Ethiopia, Somalia, parts of Yemen, and into Sudan
Territorial Claim : Yemen, further into Sudan, and further south into Uganda, Kenya, and Tanzania
Capital City : Aksum
Population : 32,432,193

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Industrialist, Expansionist, Reformist, National Conservatism, Monarchism
Government Focus :The Government’s focus is revitalizing the Aksumite nation. It wants a more firm nation state, and is going about acquiring resources for the Aksumite industrial revolution. It’s also modernizing to make sure any hostile foreigners stay away.
Head of State : Empress Iris Asfaw
Head of Government :Chancellor Kaleb Negasi
Government Description :
The Government is a constitutional monarchy, which could be described as under the framework of under a Federal system. Divided into 21 states, these states were generally run by divided interests. Those interests being of the old aristocratic order, or the new middle classes capitalist’s. These interests were also represented in the Parliament. In the Parliament, the Federal Council and the National Assembly were the two bodies of note. In the Federal Council, representatives were appointed by their state government. Thus, they were likely backed by the various interests of their home regions. In the National Assembly, Aksuni men with an education, land ownership, or a certain level of wealth above the age of 25 were permitted to vote. As of now, the National Assembly consists of 400 members. As for the Monarchy itself, it had considerable powers, including dissolving the Parliament if the monarch so chose to. However, Monarchs of late have mostly focused on the duties of being a Head of State, along with foreign policy and military concerns.

Majority/State Religion : Coptic Orthodox Christianity
Religious Description :

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism, protectionism
Major Production : Mining, Industry, agricultural goods
Economic Description :
The Aksuni economy is diversifying, in the new world. One of the changes was the agricultural sector, which has benefited from the agricultural revolutions. It’s also benefited from the importation of crops such as rice, which has been vital for the growing Aksuni population. It has also been able to capitalize on cash crops such as coffee, tobacco, and cotton. Meanwhile the Empire has benefited from a resurgent cotton industry, using it to boost its textile industry. Historically, the mining industry mainly touched on salt, iron, and gold. In the new era, various methods have been used to modernize the economy. For decades, young Aksuni have been sent abroad to learn the secrets of industry. Meanwhile, foreign investors were allowed to begin their own enterprises in Aksum. They just needed to make sure it was a joint venture with local citizens. Meanwhile, this newly revitalized mining industry would help fuel a growing industrial revolution in the cities. With Suez open, and reforms in place, various Ethiopian port cities modernized into the best the Aksuni had to offer to the world. Where ancient fleets had been constructed, modern commercial and military ships began being built. That all said, it must be noted most of this new industrial vigor is on the Aksumite coast, and in Eritrea in particular. Many internal areas, especially outside the cities, remain out of the reach of the industrial Revolution for now. While Industrial Localism has been a proposal to help amend this, it can’t be understated the contrast that currently exists between the coasts and the interior.

Development: Industrializing
Development Description :
The Industrial Revolution took it’s time coming to Ethiopia, but it’s presence was being felt. The construction of railway systems began in the 1860s, in anticipation for the Suez Canal to be opened. With a generation of reform minded political leaders, a new elite began being trained. Beginning with the modernization of Aksuni ports, and the revamping of Education, the more sectors began to be industrialized. As things are now, the coastal regions have become the centers of Aksuni industry, with some other regions being agricultural, or mining in nature. That said, many regions are generally underdeveloped, and trying to attract investors. It is stil a work in progress, but urbanization is on the up.

Army Description :
The New Standard Army is the pride of the Aksuni. With modernization beginning in the 1870s, the Aksuni army has become fairly based on the army of it’s Eastern Roman allies. With years of modernization, the new Standard Army has been put on display mostly against neighboring african kingdoms, as the Empire expanded.
Army Weakness : The tactics of the new tool of the Aksuni state have not been fully matured. Combine that with a lack of experience fighting similarly capable armies, outside the Golden Legions, this leads to a scenario where the new army can be unwieldy. This is combined with how the nation’s blessings in mountains that act as defenses, also make mustering armies more time consuming.
Naval Description :
The Aksuni navy goes back for thousands of years. Some years more glorious than others. For most of it’s history, the main task of the Aksuni navy was maintaining the safety of Aksuni trade routes. In more imperial times, they were used to transport armies. Today, it is an institution being revitalized. First through buying ships from other nations, grand warships laid in waiting in Aksuni shipyards.
Naval Weakness :
The Aksuni navy is inexperienced, due to its revitalization only recently starting. It also has the problem of easily replacing ships, due to it’s smaller industry. It also has the problem of it’s Navy being limited to protecting the red sea. Beyond that, or off the Aksuni coast, effectiveness drops.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : The Expansion of the Aksumite nation, the use of resources to fuel our industrialization, and modernize enough to become a truly notable nation on the international stage.
National Issues :Resources, access to capital, economic reforms, expansion of Aksuni identity.
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]]We claim our ruling dynasty descended from Solomon himself.
National Ambition/Aspirations : To lockdown East Africa as part of the Ethiopian dominon.

History :
80 BCE: Founded
330 CE: Adoption of Christianity
525: King Kaleb’s expedition to Yemen disposes the Himyarite King, and Aksumite influence of the region begins.
570: The Asian Empire tries to contest Aksumite rule of Yemen, starting the Aksumite-Asian wars. Despite initial success by Imperial Forces, the Aksumites would eventually drive them off.
580: The wars concluded in an Aksumite victory, the region secured in Aksum’s sphere.
580-625: General years of expansion, trade, and science. Aksum used it’s time to begin developing a local scholar culture, influenced by the Greeks.
625-640: Despite initial success, the Rashidun caliphate drives the Aksumites off the peninsula after over century on the peninsula.
670: In an alliance with the Empire of Asia, the Aksumites retake Yemen. Solidifying their hold on the region for the moment, they begin launching raids to weaken the Caliphate’s interior.
680: With this late success, the Aksumites make a concentrated to find alternative trade partners to help sustain the Kingdoms’s trade empire.
700: The Aksumites begin making a series of alliances with its Christian African neighbors. They agree to common self defense against the Arabs. Battles fought by the alliance convince the Arabs to sign a ‘Bart’, ensuring peace.
700-1200: This period is notable for Aksum maintaining itself as a regional power, despite the attempts of the Muslim nations near it to tame it. Aksum for the most part would seek to maintain itself, and it was a far cry from its golden eras. Despite some limited trade, the Kingdom saw decline. It would lead to the eventual abandonment of Yemen. That said, Aksum maintained its coastlines.
1200-1400: The consolidation of Aksuni identity begins.
1400-1550: Aksum begins restablishing ties with Europe. This begins with the arrival of Catalonia on Aksum’s shores, and ends ties with the ERE beginning to be put back together.
1550-1630: Assistance of the ERE in retaking Egypt. The era is also notable for the centralization of authority into the hands of the Royal family in a way that hadn’t been seen in centuries.
1630-1800: Aksum goes on a series of expansions, enlarging its core, taking new lands to settle, and restablishing its maritime traditions. It also sees its military take on certain European ways of conducting warfare.
1800: Agricultural reforms begin making their way to Aksum
1820: Some light reforms make their way to Aksum.
1860: Axum-Adulis Railroad begins construction in anticipation for the Suez Canal
1866: The Adulis-Djbouti Railroad begins construction
1869: The Suez Canal Opens
1870: Aksum petitions Rome to help begin modernizing its military.
1871: The reforms target the Royal House’s family military forces first.
1872: Aksum begins sending young elites abroad to learn reformist ways of government, and the ways of industrialists
1873: Chancellor Kaleb comes to power, and his new parliament begins institute reforms.
1873:The Djbouti-Adīsi Ts’iyoni railroad begins construction.
1873-1875: Fearful of the last vestiges of their power fleeing, and of populist reforms, an aristocratic rebellion is launched. Kaleb, and soon to be famous generals under the Royal family would go onto crush this rebellion with the mostly modern Royal Family Army. Disparaging the aristocrats who joined the rebellion as traitors, many houses were brought to ruin. This also paved the way for making a new government, as Kaleb envisioned. Royal and Parliament primacy would rule the day.
1875:Economic reforms to encourage investment begin. Many of the loans were from the ERE, though investments from Nords weren’t uncommon either. Determined for stability and consistency over utter speed, the government took on loans it knew it could pay off. It would also begin structural reforms, dividing the nation into states. Certain ethnic groups were also given more autonomy, for the sake of stability.
1878: The Djbouti - Mogadishu railroad begins construction.
1881: Kaleb begins to oversee more serious agricultural reforms
1882: Chancellor Kaleb begins to replace the old administrative class. This starts with his own department, but gradually spreads to the provinces.
1886: The Aksuni administrative state is replaced fully by European educated Aksuni.
1887: The New Standard Army is christened. After over a decade of reforms, it’s first used in an operation in Yemen. The Aksun-Yemeni war begins.
1888: Operations are finished in the country, the Aksuni territory of Yemen is entered into the Kingdom. It’s a colony which is gradually expanding.
1889: The Aksuni Empire is declared.
1890: The Sudanese Wars begin, with Aksum waging multiple wars against the northern peoples. These wars continue to the modern day.
1891: The First Raiways into Sudan begin
1905: Work to connect Sudan via railway is still a work in progress, but the region has been notably easier to make than other areas. Ease of troop movements has been the region has made such railway’s important.
1900: Empress Iris assumes the throne, tasked with continuing to lead the Empire. The change is sudden, considering she’s 26.
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Proposal number 2

[Benuty]

Will continue working on application today.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Accepted!

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I'm a bit tied down at the moment because of events in my professional life, but I'll make some of the requested changes to my application when I have the time -- hopefully next weekend.

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A work in progress

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Full Nation Name : Namaqua Empire, the Kingdom of Kingdoms
Majority/Official Culture : Nama
Territorial Core : South Africa
Territorial Claim : Depends on who you ask. Pan-Africanists want to control the whole of the African continent, while Pan-South-Africanists just want everything below the Saharah, in a European style colonial empire. Yet others despise the Nama autocracy, and wish to devolve the empire into smaller states.
Capital City : !qhàa
Population: 150.000.000

Government Type : The Nama Empire, while industrialised, retains a semi-feudal society in which a land owning class of elites govern the nation. This system has been codified, rationalised and legalised into a myriad of different local principalities and kingdoms, each with a very distinct culture and history. Generally, though, the empire can be called a monarchy, though it is a constitutional one.
Government Focus : The government is mainly focussed at maintaining legitimacy in an ever-changing world, both diplomatically and politically. Internally, the different peoples governed by the Nama empire are questioning whether, like Europe, they would not be better off independent from a central empire, and the empire constantly needs to justify its own existence. At the same time, however, European states, while recognising the Nama as a state, have difficulty treating her as an equal, not in the least through the scientific racism still prevalent in much of the 'western' world. The Nama emperor, most of all, wants to legitimise himself in the eyes of foreign monarchs.
Head of State : Mpho III, Emperor Namaqua
Head of Government : Queen Thabisa, Chairperson of the Imperial Court
Government Description : The 'neo-feudal' state, for lack of a better term, is a wholly legalised and codified system determining the different powers of the differing levels of nobility and governorships. The system is incredibly complex and localised, as various peoples have their own customs, cultures and beliefs, as well as historical treaties and agreements that determine their legal position within the vast empire. The various peoples enjoy varying amounts of autonomy within the empire, and while loyalty to the emperor and the imperial throne is expected, in day-to-day affairs this loyalty is oft not present at the forefront of everyone's mind.

Majority/State Religion : The state is pretty evenly split between Khoisan and Bantu religious beliefs
Religious Description :

Economic Ideologies : Feudal mercantalism
Major Production : Diamonds, gold, jewellery, cattle products, industrial goods
Economic Description : The economy of the empire is centered very heavily around the wealth gold and diamond deposits present in the Nama territory. They export this gold and these diamonds as refined products, and make a large profit doing so. Because of the nature of the nature of these industries, there exist a large class of relatively wealthy artisinal workers, who have so far managed to stave off increased industrialisation of their profession, and the Gold and Diamond Unions are some of the most powerful entities in the country. The mines, meanwhile, are often owned and operated by the feudal lords of a given territory, and the income of these mines often goes to their luxury as well as to funding their semi-public charities. Because of the personal nature of these governments, the difference between private and public accounting is not very well deliniated, so the income of the mines is often used for the common good (in so far as these projects can make their benefactors more popular).

Development: Industrialised/Semi-industrialised
Development Description : It really depends on where you are in the country. Historically, the coastal provinces had their manufactories, born from the trading forts that participated in the monsoon trade with India. This occured mostly in the east of the country, and gave rise to the port city of Mputo. However, the invention of the practical steam engine in the 19th century and the discovery of wealthy coal deposits pulled industry more to the south and west, creating an industrial concentration along the north-east Ecca group, with railways connecting it to Mputo. The discovery of gold and diamonds in the latter half of the 19th century shifted the industrial centers even more inward. The inlands were historially less developed, mainly inhabited by sparse villages and nomadic San people, but the discovery of diamonds especially ensured a rapid build-up in infrastructure, mainly paid for by the wealth Nama kings, having grown rich off of European trade. Their intervention ensured that their homeland benefited most from the aquisition of gold, still leading to economic friction between Mputo and !qhàa.

Army Description : The 'Nama army', in a traditional sense, does not exist. Each 'country' within the Empire has its own fighting force, and so do various organisations that might not be a country all on their own, but who have considerable power. The Namaqua Emperor has his own army, sworn loyal to him alone, which is quite prestigious due to the campaigns of the late 19th century. However, the older generation of officers is slowly dying off, and their replacements are preparing for the last war, not the next. While often confused, the royal Nama army is different from the imperial army; the latter is made up of volunteers, the former mostly of conscript troops that perform their national service. Naming all the different armies within the empire would take too long, but mention of the most prestigious army in the empire, the Zulu army, is required. Like the German army or the Spartan army, their effectiveness comes mainly from professionalism and reputation. Service among the Zulu is compulsory for able-bodied men and optional for women. A martial tradition makes it so that the training these people undergo is rigorous and harsh, and some countries outside kwaZulu have some amaZulu soldiers as elite troops.
Army Weakness : It's lack of interchangable parts and uniform armaments. Most countries use different munition sizes and rifles, different calibre guns, and the language barrier is also present, not to mention the logistical problems of different railroad gauges. The empire has similar problems to Austria-Hungary, in that its federalisation has provided many issues for the supreme command to overcome. Questionable loyalties among the different armies are problematic too, and rising nationalism, especially in kwaZulu, is proving more difficult by the day.
Naval Description : Having the same deal as with the army, the navy is heavily decentralised. The navy is a political roadblock for the emperor too, whose navy is by far not the strongest in the empire. That honour goes to the Kings of Mputo, who have a long and proud naval tradition in protection the Indian monsoon trade and projecting power along the East African coast. The Mputo navy proved no great asset when the Namaqua extended their reach into the interior of South Africa, which gave them the economic power to establish their empire. However, the emperor knows that any military engagement with the more heavily populated kingdoms of the coast will mean having to engate the Mputo navy. The Mputo, however, do not have a sufficient land army to engage their enemies, and as such, are still in no position to oppose the Emperor, and their navy actually provides him with international prestige.
Naval Weakness : The navy of Mputo, the largest in the country, is not particularly loyal to the emperor. Because of the lack of iron in South Africa, the construction of new warships depends on imports from abroad, too. The distance between important theatres is also a weak point.


National Goals : [[What are the main objectives of your nation?]]
National Issues : [[What needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential?]]
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really set objectives, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

History: (Detailed history in paragraphs to follow later)

• 1000 BCE - The discovery of tin leads to a bronze age in various cultures in South Africa, primarily among the Bantu, the Khoikhoi, and various other cultures. Large kingdoms and cities developed along rivers inland, as well as among the southern coast, creating a whole new economic sphere outside of the Eastern Med and China. Larger cities bring with them the invention of written language, calendars and systems of calculation.
• 100 CE - Trade along the East African coast commences, starting a participation in Indian Ocean trade that would last until the present day.
• 500 CE - First Indian horses succesfully imported into the southern region of Africa, increasing the productivity of pastoral herdsmen in the interior.
• 700 - 900 CE - San Empire, made up of nomadic hunters from the interior, carves out a domain. While devastating, their reign would kickstart trade among the western and eastern coasts, increasing the range of the Indian ocean trade.
• 1000 - 1200 CE - The Great Age. While no great empires rise in this time, smaller kingdoms exist in relative peace with one another, and science, religion, art and culture flourish.
• 1300 CE - Gunpowder arrives from China, but is similarly mainly used in fireworks.
• 1430 CE - Start of the Great Bantu Empire, which would last until around 1600 CE. While varying in size, the Bantu Empire provided a blueprint which later empires would try to emulate. The Bantu are mainly remembered for their constructed forts, the development of cannon, but also the start of intercultural tolerance among the various peoples of South Africa.
• 1500s CE - The first Europeans reach the western coast of South Africa. While European goods had reached South Africa via the Indian ocean trade, this was the first time Europeans had reached those lands independently. The Nama people, previously economically underdeveloped next to their eastern neighbours, start direct trade with Europeans, which increased their wealth tremendously. The shift of power from the east to the west would soon result in the fall of the Bantu kings and the shattering of their empire into various states.
• 1500s CE onward - The South African kingdoms and republics grow incredibly wealthy with European ships passing, although eastern states jealously guard their share of the Indian ocean trade, making sure their own power is not eclipsed by European traders. However, with South Africa being as densely populated as it was, trade with them became lucrative on its own.
• 1632 CE - The Foreign War. An attempt by a European power to establish an independent trade port in South Africa is quashed by a coalition of kingdoms, setting the precedent that South Africa would not fall into European hands as the Americas would.
• 1744 CE - The Devout Incident. A European ship attempts to capture some Namaqua from a bar in !qhàa in order to sell them into slavery. The royal navy of Namaqua liberates these people, but sours relations with Europe along the way. Questions on European interference would open age-old wounds, and in 1747, the Great War would kick off.
• 1746 - 1782 CE - The Great War, or the War of the Warring Kingdoms. Almost 40 years of conflict, partially funded by outside forces, lead to the collapse of the modern Golden Age in South Africa. Europeans hope to shatter South African kingdoms, by sending them into chaos, and their almost succeed. However, in 1782, the Peace of Mputo puts an end to the fighting, and establishes the Treaty on the Rights of Peoples; slavery is abolished, as is the slave trade, and slavery is determined to be in itself an institution incompatible with humanity and civilisation. Christians who use the Bible as a justification for slavery have their assets seized. The peace also stipulates the creation of a central permanent diplomatic body, to prevent European-fed wars in the future.
• 1852 CE - Diamonds are found at Kimberley. The Namaqua expand their territory into the South African interior, sensing an opportunity. While going relatively unopposed, this move would ensure their dominance in the coming decades.
• 1869 CE - The Suez Canal is finished, drying up international trade from India to Europe. While the economy of Mputo collapsed, the diamond export of the Namaqua makes them rich by comparison.
• 1875 CE - The Mputo gamble and fail. An attempt to capture the diamond mines of Kimberley backfired and led to the capture of Mputo by Namaqua troops, aided by Zulu allies. The strength shown by a unified India proved to South Africa that some form of all-encompassing alliance was necessary. Diplomatic guile, bribery and force ensured that the Nama king managed to be chosen to lead this empire, as his son was after him. In ten years, the Imperial Code carved out an incredibly complex political system, both to protect existing power and to ensure some semblance of military alliance. However, the election of the position of emperor, while fixed on primgeniture for the first 25 years, would be reviewed as time progressed.
• 1891 CE - Mpho II dies and leaves his son in charge of his empire, since the 25 years had not yet elapsed. His son, however, is far less ambitious than his father, and lacks the diplomatic guile to keep the empire in check. Under his rule, the empire has slipped more and more into a loose confederacy, even before his father's planned centralisations could take hold, much to the dismay of the Old Guard.

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I want to throw this up for early review; is this fine as I have written it? Before I finish the goals stuff, I wanted to know this is fine, so I can discuss some matters in discord and with other players.

[Tracian Empire]

A work in progress

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Full Nation Name : Namaqua Empire, the Kingdom of Kingdoms

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I want to throw this up for early review; is this fine as I have written it? Before I finish the goals stuff, I wanted to know this is fine, so I can discuss some matters in discord and with other players.

I can take a look at it, though I'm confused by the population. It's not meant to be 250 million, is it?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I want to throw this up for early review; is this fine as I have written it? Before I finish the goals stuff, I wanted to know this is fine, so I can discuss some matters in discord and with other players.

I can take a look at it, though I'm confused by the population. It's not meant to be 250 million, is it?

I was thinking about this, but the idea is that this nation is vastly more densely populated than it is IRL. In size and geography (a fertile coast with an arid interior), it looks somewhat like India in that regard. And I went on from there: India, in 1900 had a population of 300.000.000. So I took it from there, considering the above-mentioned parameters.

However, that number was more a work-in-progress, and 250.00.000 is probably too high an estimate, even if India and South Africa are similar in these regards. I think between 130.000.000 and 200.000.000 might be more reasonable.

All of this taking into consideration that, much like Europe, the continent is divided into a lot of different countries, so that none of its potential can be brought to bear as a unified state.

[Tracian Empire]

I can take a look at it, though I'm confused by the population. It's not meant to be 250 million, is it?

I was thinking about this, but the idea is that this nation is vastly more densely populated than it is IRL. In size and geography (a fertile coast with an arid interior), it looks somewhat like India in that regard. And I went on from there: India, in 1900 had a population of 300.000.000. So I took it from there, considering the above-mentioned parameters.

However, that number was more a work-in-progress, and 250.00.000 is probably too high an estimate, even if India and South Africa are similar in these regards. I think between 130.000.000 and 200.000.000 might be more reasonable.

All of this taking into consideration that, much like Europe, the continent is divided into a lot of different countries, so that none of its potential can be brought to bear as a unified state.

India is a subcontinent in and of itself, and it probably is roughly double as large as the Nama's territory. From a climate perspective, and from a very rough look at it, India has more temperate and tropical areas, both proportion and size-wise, while proportion-wise, South Africa seems to have more arid and desert areas in comparison. India also has a much more pronounced monsoon climate, that probably plays a role, and it also has the Ganges and the Indus, that historically formed areas with a lot of people. There is also the fact that they had rice from early on.

All these fields, climate, agriculture, geography, and demographics aren't areas which I'm good at, so I will have to see what the CO-OP's say in the matter, but from my perspective, the population is way too large. Even if you start changing your history from the bronze age, I don't see the region as having the advantages that led to India having such a large population, or being able to sustain such a population.

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Apps for Qing, and the Grand Admiralty.

Further historical details and numbers can be discussed with Axis later on, but generally you can consider the app as being accepted

[Tracian Empire]

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Full Nation Name : Austria-Hungary

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The population would probably be lower than 45 million - Galicia-Lodomeria had a population of 8 million, Austria-Hungary in real life in its entirety had 50 million, You can use history to explain one or two more millions, but without major changes and with less territories than in real life, 42 or 43 million would be best.

There would most likely not be an Islamic population in A-H - without the Ottomans ever being a thing, the Balkans would continue to be Christian.

Unless you're changing things from real life, there would be a still somewhat persistent west-east divide in terms of development. The rural areas of Hungary especially would still be somewhat underdeveloped and more agricultural.

Adolf Hitler would probably not be a figure of interest, seeing as he's still only 16 and preparing for his final exams.

As for your history it's alright so far - but still slightly short. You could include some of the things that were already discussed with other players, like the historical wars with the ERE, the Habsburgs never becoming Holy Roman Emperors, and so on.

But broadly there are no major issues.

[Axis Asteroid]

Full Nation Name : The Kingdom of Catalonia (Regne de Catalunya)

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Accepted.

[Tracian Empire]

Still working on some details but so it is a WIP for now.

Full Nation Name : Catepanate of Italy/Katepaníkion Italías/κατεπανίκιον Ἰταλίας


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With the notion that some further historical details will be added once general European conflicts are decided upon, accepted

[Speyland]

I notice an error on my application, so I fixed it. Everything should make sense now.

[Union Princes]

I corrected the population and industrialization levels of the app. It should be more ready now.

[Nova Rygondria]

Is there anywhere I could so a South Africa esque country

[Tracian Empire]

Is there anywhere I could so a South Africa esque country

What's your exact definition of South Africa-esque though? Colonial nation with apartheid?

[Nova Rygondria]

Is there anywhere I could so a South Africa esque country

What's your exact definition of South Africa-esque though? Colonial nation with apartheid?

That would be accurate yes.

[Tracian Empire]

What's your exact definition of South Africa-esque though? Colonial nation with apartheid?

That would be accurate yes.

Not sure what to say. You could try to ask one of the players controlling the colonial empires of the world if they'd allow you to control/play one of their colonies. Alternatively you could play a colonial or post-colonial country in what's left of Argentina, though an apartheid-style situation would be difficult to explain.

[Tracian Empire]

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Full Nation Name : Tawantinsuyu, the Empire of Four Corners


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Unless my CO-OP's notice an issue I've missed, accepted