A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[Kenobot]

Joint control? That's a new idea to me. Would the UK even be receptive to that idea? It seems to me that the British wants maintain total control despite being half a world away

I mean I’m just spit balling ideas; maybe you push for internal democracy in Hong Kong and then maybe later promote pro-unification parties. Kinetic force will seem easier, but it will only invite more nations to attack you alongside Japan.

[Union Princes]

In the IC, I'm already asking for Britain to begin negotiations over Hong Kong. I'm practically willing to buy back Hong Kong. It's how Im dealing with Portugal. Literally throwing money at them to return the port cities. The cities are gonna be turned into Special Economic Zones so its not like Britain is gonna lose money on this. Given how their economy is in the dumps, they could benefit from selling Hong Kong


I know I seen belligerent in the OOC, it does not reflect what is going on IC wise. I'm fully aware of the consequences of war which is why I'm leveraging soft power over the neighbors.

And another thing, Britain is going down the path of de colonization by withdrawing from Africa. They have to give up Hong Kong by principle and return it to China. I'm giving them the option to profit from it

[Strala]

In the IC, I'm already asking for Britain to begin negotiations over Hong Kong. I'm practically willing to buy back Hong Kong. It's how Im dealing with Portugal. Literally throwing money at them to return the port cities. The cities are gonna be turned into Special Economic Zones so its not like Britain is gonna lose money on this. Given how their economy is in the dumps, they could benefit from selling Hong Kong


I know I seen belligerent in the OOC, it does not reflect what is going on IC wise. I'm fully aware of the consequences of war which is why I'm leveraging soft power over the neighbors.

And another thing, Britain is going down the path of de colonization by withdrawing from Africa. They have to give up Hong Kong by principle and return it to China. I'm giving them the option to profit from it

I mean, despite what Britain says or does, there's literally no feasible way for them to hold onto HK. They want to complain, you start talking about their decolonization in other areas yet still not returning HK to China. Talk about their treaty that they broke. Threaten to close off the Chinese market, sanction British companies and officials, and/or nationalize their China assets. Etc.

[Union Princes]

Yeah, there will be consequences if Britain refuse negotiations. Harsh consequences. I'll collapse Johnson's government by doing just that if he so much makes overtures to Japan. The player may think he can recover from the shock but the reality is, he can't without PM Johnson losing his head in the next elections as Britain will be in the gutter while the rest of Europs profit from Chinese trade

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

In the IC, I'm already asking for Britain to begin negotiations over Hong Kong. I'm practically willing to buy back Hong Kong. It's how Im dealing with Portugal. Literally throwing money at them to return the port cities. The cities are gonna be turned into Special Economic Zones so its not like Britain is gonna lose money on this. Given how their economy is in the dumps, they could benefit from selling Hong Kong


I know I seen belligerent in the OOC, it does not reflect what is going on IC wise. I'm fully aware of the consequences of war which is why I'm leveraging soft power over the neighbors.

And another thing, Britain is going down the path of de colonization by withdrawing from Africa. They have to give up Hong Kong by principle and return it to China. I'm giving them the option to profit from it

I mean, despite what Britain says or does, there's literally no feasible way for them to hold onto HK. They want to complain, you start talking about their decolonization in other areas yet still not returning HK to China. Talk about their treaty that they broke. Threaten to close off the Chinese market, sanction British companies and officials, and/or nationalize their China assets. Etc.

Wouldn't seizing British assets in China lead the Britain retaliating, hurting China much more? IRL China owns 143 billion pounds worth of British assets (some which can be negated from Hong Kong's holdings), but there would be more loss for China than Britain. They also own 15% of British debt which can have payments halted.

Yeah, there will be consequences if Britain refuse negotiations. Harsh consequences. I'll collapse Johnson's government by doing just that if he so much makes overtures to Japan. The player may think he can recover from the shock but the reality is, he can't without PM Johnson losing his head in the next elections as Britain will be in the gutter while the rest of Europs profit from Chinese trade

Aren't the next elections in 2024, 3 years from now?

[Union Princes]

I'm pretty sure that no matter how much damage China would experience, Britain would be 10x worse given that they have a negative economic ME while I have a positive one

And yes, elections will be in 3 years for Britain. 3 years of painful recovery for Johnson's government to deal with

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I'm pretty sure that no matter how much damage China would experience, Britain would be 10x worse given that they have a negative economic ME while I have a positive one

It would hurt Britain significantly in the long run, but that can be supplemented by other nations. Not to mention Britain said his country has distanced itself from China in this timeline.

But immediately China would lose around 500 billion pounds in assets, which would hurt significantly as well.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Please don't go full war East Asians at least until I can get the Korean tanks I've paid for

[Union Princes]

Again, it will hurt Britain more than it will hurt China if they refuse to negotiate. It's a very good deal that Britain would be missing out on if it refuses talks

[Strala]

I'm pretty sure that no matter how much damage China would experience, Britain would be 10x worse given that they have a negative economic ME while I have a positive one

It would hurt Britain significantly in the long run, but that can be supplemented by other nations. Not to mention Britain said his country has distanced itself from China in this timeline.

But immediately China would lose around 500 billion pounds in assets, which would hurt significantly as well.

It can try to distance itself, but despite what they say, no country in the modern economy can be truly distanced from each other. The British economy can and will be badly damaged if that happens even if they say they've "distanced" themselves. But yeah, 500 billion in assets lost would harm China

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Please don't go full war East Asians at least until I can get the Korean tanks I've paid for

There might be sanctions from Japan for supporting the Korean military industry.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Please don't go full war East Asians at least until I can get the Korean tanks I've paid for

There might be sanctions from Japan for supporting the Korean military industry.

Or maybe you could offer to sell me some fighters. There is nothing saying that I can't go shopping from both Japan and Korea.

[Deblar]

Please don't go full war East Asians at least until I can get the Korean tanks I've paid for

There might be sanctions from Japan for supporting the Korean military industry.

Jesus, Japan needs to take a chill pill

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

There might be sanctions from Japan for supporting the Korean military industry.

Or maybe you could offer to sell me some fighters. There is nothing saying that I can't go shopping from both Japan and Korea.

That could be possible. Japan has a selection of 5th generation fighters to offer.

[Monsone]

There might be sanctions from Japan for supporting the Korean military industry.

Jesus, Japan needs to take a chill pill

Agreed. The rest of the world could learn lessons from Latin America's peaceful coexistence over the last 100 years.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Or maybe you could offer to sell me some fighters. There is nothing saying that I can't go shopping from both Japan and Korea.

That could be possible. Japan has a selection of 5th generation fighters to offer.

Name price + numbers. Looking something within the 2 and 2.5 million [USD] price range (Greece in RL in 2020 spent about 3 million on military armaments with smaller economy, so it is a realistic figure).

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

That could be possible. Japan has a selection of 5th generation fighters to offer.

Name price + numbers. Looking something within the 2 and 2.5 million [USD] price range (Greece in RL in 2020 spent about 3 million on military armaments with smaller economy, so it is a realistic figure).

I think you mean billion, since 2 million can hardly buy a T-55 tank. The only Japanese 5th generation fighter that would be in your price range would be the Japanese F10 which is meant to be a domestic version of the F-35 but toned down for price reasons. It is around $75 million apiece for export. That may not be in your price range, but it is cheaper than some other 5th generation fighters.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Name price + numbers. Looking something within the 2 and 2.5 million [USD] price range (Greece in RL in 2020 spent about 3 million on military armaments with smaller economy, so it is a realistic figure).

I think you mean billion, since 2 million can hardly buy a T-55 tank. The only Japanese 5th generation fighter that would be in your price range would be the Japanese F10 which is meant to be a domestic version of the F-35 but toned down for price reasons. It is around $75 million apiece for export. That may not be in your price range, but it is cheaper than some other 5th generation fighters.

Yes, I meant billion lol

Will have to think about it.

[Strala]

I think you mean billion, since 2 million can hardly buy a T-55 tank. The only Japanese 5th generation fighter that would be in your price range would be the Japanese F10 which is meant to be a domestic version of the F-35 but toned down for price reasons. It is around $75 million apiece for export. That may not be in your price range, but it is cheaper than some other 5th generation fighters.

Yes, I meant billion lol

Will have to think about it.

Or you can continue to purchase from Korea. Who cares about Japan when you can get Korean and potentially Chinese investments. It's not like they're pouring money into your country right now. Also take note China, pla. Spend some money into Greece and get them to be your ally in Nato

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Yes, I meant billion lol

Will have to think about it.

Or you can continue to purchase from Korea. Who cares about Japan when you can get Korean and potentially Chinese investments. It's not like they're pouring money into your country right now. Also take note China, pla. Spend some money into Greece and get them to be your ally in Nato

Japan would be highly supportive of this. With conflict on the horizon, by filling Korea's industry (which is more limited than a nation like China or Russia which can take several large orders at once and still produce plenty for itself) with orders of its top equipment, it limits the amount of equipment actually going to the Korean forces. This in turn will be good for Japan since it decreases the number of new, advanced equipment it faces.

So in theory, yes, Japan supports the purchase of Korean equipment by foreign nations in the short term. Naval projects would be even better.

[Union Princes]

is our Germany player still active?

[Imperialisium]

is our Germany player still active?

Hopefully

[Benuty]

In the last week of my associate's degree program. Will try to get my application up shortly.

[Imperialisium]

In the last week of my associate's degree program. Will try to get my application up shortly.

congrats, and yay!

[Strala]

Welp, I guess I need to start evacuating Korean citizens