A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[Imperialisium]

China is a permanent security member and not Japan? That's some good consolidation prize after WW2. Russia may not like it too much

Well, China was a member of the Allies, Japan was a member of the Axis. And I would assume Russo-Japanese relations would have been if ever so "slightly" strained by the fact that they were on the opposing side of the war even if there was no direct conflict.

Russia did invade Manchuria and occupy it like OTL towards the end of the war. The only major difference is Japan didn't get nuked and managed to sue for peace with more favorable terms than OTL. Since, with US not having two atomic bombs they would have definitely needed to do Operation Downfall which Allied Command wouldn't want due to it for sure turning into a mass slaughter fest.

[Strala]

China is a permanent security member and not Japan? That's some good consolidation prize after WW2. Russia may not like it too much

I wouldn't have supported CSR's admittance as a Permanent member. If you wish, we can both begin a campaign to boot CSR off the UNSC and you take their place.

They are the CSR. Why would they want to get kicked off as a permanent member?

[Imperialisium]

Nationstates Name

Nation NameThe United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
CapitalLondon
Type of Government Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State(s) Boris Johnson
Head of Government (if applicable)King William the Fifth
Picture of LeaderBoris Johnson
King William
Party in Power Conservative Party
Executive Title
FlagBritish Flag

CurrencyPound Sterling
Population78,000,000
GDP3.4 trillion USD
GDP Growth1.5%
Inflation 1.5%
Population below poverty line19% of the population
Gini34
Value of currency compared to United States Dollar1.525:1
Major trade partnersUnited States: US$57.5 billion (14.3% of total UK exports)
Germany: $41.1 billion (10.2%)
Ireland: $27.5 billion (6.8%)
Netherlands: $24.9 billion (6.2%)
France: $23.7 billion (5.9%)
Switzerland: $19.4 billion (4.8%)
CSR: $18.6 billion (4.6%)
Belgium: $13.5 billion (3.4%)
Spain: $11.1 billion (2.8%)
Italy: $11 billion (2.7%)
Hong Kong: $10.6 billion (2.6%)
Canada: $7.5 billion (1.9%)
Japan: $7.3 billion (1.8%)
Turkey: $6.4 billion (1.6%)
United Arab Emirates: $6.3 billion (1.6%)

Total military size 500,000 Active, 1 million Reserve
Breakdown of ground forces
Tanks:500
Armored Vehicles:8600
SPA:200
Towed Artillery:300
Rocket Projecters:100
Breakdown of naval naval forces
Aircraft Carrier:4(2 Regular Carriers and 2 Helicopter Carriers)
Destroyers:17
Frigates:25
Submarines:25
Patrol Vessels:35
Mine Warfare:21
Breakdown of air forces
Fighters:250
Attack Aircraft:100
Transporters:80
Trainers:350
Special Missions:55
Tanker Fleet:40
Helicopters:350
Attack Helicopters:85
Major foreign military suppliers if applicableN/A
Extra Armed Forces details

Ongoing major and minor domestic Issues The major domestic issues that the UK is ongoing is a growing national debt, a growing independence movement in a several of their territorial holdings and slow economic growth due to said rebellions

Religion BreakdownReligion
Christianity (79.4%)
Non-religious (4.7%)
Not stated (7.2%)
Islam (1.0%)
Other religions (0.4%)
Hinduism (1.5%)
Sikhism (0.8%)
Judaism (4.5%)
Buddhism (0.5%)
Political Breakdown
Conservative Party:55%
Labour Party:20%
Scottish National Party:.5%
Liberal Democrats:24.5%
History:Same as OTL except for fewer British colonies gaining their independence; Queen Elizabeth II dies on October 25th, 2011; King Charles takes over as King after his mother's death but dies suddenly of a heart attack on January 20th,2017 allowing for his son William to become King;the UK begins the process of withdrawing from both the Sudan and Uganda as both the King and the Prime Minister deems the two territories lost causes and plans on granting both colonies their independence as soon as the last British soldier leaves the airspace of the soon to be former British colonies; though the UK isn't as strong as what it was during WW2,The British Armed Forces still remains one of the strongest militaries in the world in the Royal Navy
Organization Membership:NATO,UN,UNSC,Commonwealth of Nations
Goals Public and PrivatePublic Goals:Seek closer ties to Europe and the US;Begin the process of decolonization especially in Africa;Get the British Economy growing
Private goals:Seek closer ties to Russia, Japan and Cuba; Expand the Powers of the Crowns and weaken Parliament

Roleplay example linkhttps://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=459705&start=225

Accepted

[Imperialisium]

I wouldn't have supported CSR's admittance as a Permanent member. If you wish, we can both begin a campaign to boot CSR off the UNSC and you take their place.

They are the CSR. Why would they want to get kicked off as a permanent member?

You'd have to adjust the charter which given each Permanent Member has veto powers means it'll never pass. All have to unanimously approve and China can just veto it indefinitely. You'd need to dissolve the UNSC by essentially convincing the wider UN to vote on it. Which for sure there'll be lobbying against that.

[American Pere Housh]

I wouldn't have supported CSR's admittance as a Permanent member. If you wish, we can both begin a campaign to boot CSR off the UNSC and you take their place.

They are the CSR. Why would they want to get kicked off as a permanent member?

Them wanting Hong Kong which if my app gets accepted, They will never get back. In this timeline, British citizens are anti Communist because of CSR.

[Strala]

It seems like Britain will be inherently hostile towards China. CSR, why don't you leverage your economic or diplomatic power to make them return HK. If that doesn't work, I'm sure that a repeat of the 1967 riots would reflect badly on the British. If all else fails, demand that they return HK or you'll cut water supply to HK or British military bases and government buildings until they return HK to China. As for Macau, you could be kinder and say you'll help them pay off a part of their debt in return for the city.

They are the CSR. Why would they want to get kicked off as a permanent member?

Them wanting Hong Kong which if my app gets accepted, They will never get back. In this timeline, British citizens are anti Communist because of CSR.

The wider population could be anti-communist, yes, but you can't make everyone anti-communist. Even in America, the capitalist capital of the world has a communist party. In HK, given that China has considerable influence over their neighbors, and HK never experiencing a totalitarian China like IRL, I would believe would be more akin to the 1960s HK, meaning that there would be plenty of Pro-Chinese union workers and people in general.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

They are the CSR. Why would they want to get kicked off as a permanent member?

Them wanting Hong Kong which if my app gets accepted, They will never get back. In this timeline, British citizens are anti Communist because of CSR.

Japan will be a big supporter of maintaining Hong Kong as British. Possibly it would give it a security guarantee. If China cuts off water to HK, Japan will send in shipments daily from Okinawa at its own expense to keep it going.

As for the UN thing, it is a stretch, but one of Japan's puppets is the Reorganized Republic of China. It is possible it had the permanent seat at one point just like the IRL Republic of China.

[Monsone]

Russia did invade Manchuria and occupy it like OTL towards the end of the war. The only major difference is Japan didn't get nuked and managed to sue for peace with more favorable terms than OTL. Since, with US not having two atomic bombs they would have definitely needed to do Operation Downfall which Allied Command wouldn't want due to it for sure turning into a mass slaughter fest.

Unfortunately, Russia's complacency with Japan would fully justify Operation Downfall. Aiding the Axis would either ostracize Russia completely from the Allies once the war in Europe is done, or lead to Russia becoming the first target of nuclear weapons. The USA would absolutely know that Russia is aiding Japan and would do its darn best to undermine these efforts, including turning Vladivostok into the next Dresden.

Russia's intervention would just be considered a play in favor of the Japanese, bringing a party willing to eke out a better niche for Japan in the treaty talks. Unlike IRL, the conquest of Manchuria during WW2 would be viewed as a mere joke, a sham invasion, in the west. Nothing but a futile attempt by Russia to stop Japan from eventually getting annihilated through intense bombing raids and a prolonged war that would eventually spill over into Russia since it would become an inevitability that bombing Eastern Russia would bring about Japan's surrender more quickly.

IRL the Allies had little reason not to trust the Soviets yet, they were still nominally allies until 1949. But in this case, McArthur and other hawkish generals would get their way, even it if meant total war and turning WW2 into an even bloodier conflict that it already was IRL.

[Strala]

Also OP is all of HK still part of Britain or just HK island, Stonecutter's island, and Kowloon since only those were ceded in perpetuity. The new territories were only leased for 99 years and if Britain decides to break that contract, doesn't China technically have the right to forcibly evict the British since the British no longer have any legal basis to keep the new territories.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Russia did invade Manchuria and occupy it like OTL towards the end of the war. The only major difference is Japan didn't get nuked and managed to sue for peace with more favorable terms than OTL. Since, with US not having two atomic bombs they would have definitely needed to do Operation Downfall which Allied Command wouldn't want due to it for sure turning into a mass slaughter fest.

Unfortunately, Russia's complacency with Japan would fully justify Operation Downfall. Aiding the Axis would either ostracize Russia completely from the Allies once the war in Europe is done, or lead to Russia becoming the first target of nuclear weapons. The USA would absolutely know that Russia is aiding Japan and would do its darn best to undermine these efforts, including turning Vladivostok into the next Dresden.

Russia's intervention would just be considered a play in favor of the Japanese, bringing a party willing to eke out a better niche for Japan in the treaty talks. Unlike IRL, the conquest of Manchuria during WW2 would be viewed as a mere joke, a sham invasion, in the west. Nothing but a futile attempt by Russia to stop Japan from eventually getting annihilated through intense bombing raids and a prolonged war that would eventually spill over into Russia since it would become an inevitability that bombing Eastern Russia would bring about Japan's surrender more quickly.

IRL the Allies had little reason not to trust the Soviets yet, they were still nominally allies until 1949. But in this case, McArthur and other hawkish generals would get their way, even it if meant total war and turning WW2 into an even bloodier conflict that it already was IRL.

I am fairly sure in this timeline Russia was much stronger, but also that Japan had been able to inflict much higher casualties on the Allies. With America only getting involved in 1943, Japan likely was able to push the British out of the Pacific theater, and maintained much of its naval fleet during the conflict, meaning that Allied invasion would be much more costly if they wanted to attack. It is likely if they did invade, it would play into Japanese desires of a final naval battle, which could have been favorable to Japan anyways. Without the atomic bomb IRL, it was projected the war could have gone on until 1947, but that was based on a Japan that did not have the same access to resources as in this timeline. If the Americans decided to engage the Russians while fighting Japan, without nuclear weapons, the conflict could have raged for quite some time longer.

IRL the Allies already had a divide with the Soviets at the conferences, and cut its lend lease program before the end of the war. It is said one of the reasons the atomic bomb was dropped was to deter the Soviets. But in any case, after hard fighting in Europe and the Pacific, the Allies would be in no position to fight a conflict with Russia. Even IRL they decided that it would be very costly, and the only way to stop a Soviet advance was the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Also OP is all of HK still part of Britain or just HK island, Stonecutter's island, and Kowloon since only those were ceded in perpetuity. The new territories were only leased for 99 years and if Britain decides to break that contract, doesn't China technically have the right to forcibly evict the British since the British no longer have any legal basis to keep the new territories.

The green is what they would have had to give back. But it is possible the British could have argued that their treaty was with the Qing Empire and not the CSR, and with Japanese backing + promise of military support, held onto it.

[Strala]

Unfortunately, Russia's complacency with Japan would fully justify Operation Downfall. Aiding the Axis would either ostracize Russia completely from the Allies once the war in Europe is done, or lead to Russia becoming the first target of nuclear weapons. The USA would absolutely know that Russia is aiding Japan and would do its darn best to undermine these efforts, including turning Vladivostok into the next Dresden.

Russia's intervention would just be considered a play in favor of the Japanese, bringing a party willing to eke out a better niche for Japan in the treaty talks. Unlike IRL, the conquest of Manchuria during WW2 would be viewed as a mere joke, a sham invasion, in the west. Nothing but a futile attempt by Russia to stop Japan from eventually getting annihilated through intense bombing raids and a prolonged war that would eventually spill over into Russia since it would become an inevitability that bombing Eastern Russia would bring about Japan's surrender more quickly.

IRL the Allies had little reason not to trust the Soviets yet, they were still nominally allies until 1949. But in this case, McArthur and other hawkish generals would get their way, even it if meant total war and turning WW2 into an even bloodier conflict that it already was IRL.

I am fairly sure in this timeline Russia was much stronger, but also that Japan had been able to inflict much higher casualties on the Allies. With America only getting involved in 1943, Japan likely was able to push the British out of the Pacific theater, and maintained much of its naval fleet during the conflict, meaning that Allied invasion would be much more costly if they wanted to attack. It is likely if they did invade, it would play into Japanese desires of a final naval battle, which could have been favorable to Japan anyways. Without the atomic bomb IRL, it was projected the war could have gone on until 1947, but that was based on a Japan that did not have the same access to resources as in this timeline. If the Americans decided to engage the Russians while fighting Japan, without nuclear weapons, the conflict could have raged for quite some time longer.

IRL the Allies already had a divide with the Soviets at the conferences, and cut its lend lease program before the end of the war. It is said one of the reasons the atomic bomb was dropped was to deter the Soviets. But in any case, after hard fighting in Europe and the Pacific, the Allies would be in no position to fight a conflict with Russia. Even IRL they decided that it would be very costly, and the only way to stop a Soviet advance was the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Also OP is all of HK still part of Britain or just HK island, Stonecutter's island, and Kowloon since only those were ceded in perpetuity. The new territories were only leased for 99 years and if Britain decides to break that contract, doesn't China technically have the right to forcibly evict the British since the British no longer have any legal basis to keep the new territories.

The green is what they would have had to give back. But it is possible the British could have argued that their treaty was with the Qing Empire and not the CSR, and with Japanese backing + promise of military support, held onto it.

You can't really hold that especially when China could decide to turn off the water at any moment. I would think that China got the new territories back, but Kowloon and HK Island still belong to Britain, causing the humiliation since China claimed that Kowloon and hk island being parts of China

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

You can't really hold that especially when China could decide to turn off the water at any moment. I would think that China got the new territories back, but Kowloon and HK Island still belong to Britain, causing the humiliation since China claimed that Kowloon and hk island being parts of China

That's up to China and Britain to decide. HK has long had this problem even without water being turned off, and does have measures to stop it. They already used seawater flushing, water rationing, and freshwater reservoirs.

Japan; with the wish to maintain HK as British, would be willing to send shipments of water of HK daily or even build a pipeline from Taiwan.

[Strala]

You can't really hold that especially when China could decide to turn off the water at any moment. I would think that China got the new territories back, but Kowloon and HK Island still belong to Britain, causing the humiliation since China claimed that Kowloon and hk island being parts of China

That's up to China and Britain to decide. HK has long had this problem even without water being turned off, and does have measures to stop it. They already used seawater flushing, water rationing, and freshwater reservoirs.

Japan; with the wish to maintain HK as British, would be willing to send shipments of water of HK daily or even build a pipeline from Taiwan.

That'd be expensive, but then again, you're right and it is up to them to figure out how they want to ay this out.

[Union Princes]

Looks like we're gonna have a Falkland War over Hong Kong

It's a long way to Nanjing, it's a long way to go!
It's a long way to Nanjing, to the sweetest girl I know!

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Looks like we're gonna have a Falkland War over Hong Kong

It's a long way to Nanjing, it's a long way to go!
It's a long way to Nanjing, to the sweetest girl I know!

A Falkland War except that would Japan open its bases to the British and threaten direct intervention.

[Strala]

Looks like we're gonna have a Falkland War over Hong Kong

It's a long way to Nanjing, it's a long way to go!
It's a long way to Nanjing, to the sweetest girl I know!

A Falkland War except that would Japan open its bases to the British and threaten direct intervention.

You intervene and I'll cross the Yalu river

Looks like we're gonna have a Falkland War over Hong Kong

It's a long way to Nanjing, it's a long way to go!
It's a long way to Nanjing, to the sweetest girl I know!

You could try to get the New territories earlier if you want, but if you want Korea, Korea will support you in War. We shall cross the east China sea to aid you. We shall cross the Yalu to help reclaim Chinese land if needed.

[Monsone]

-snip-

You've missed the entire point. In the fairly likely event Operation Unthinkable is not considered viable, it's going to be very, very clear to the other Allies that Russia was aiding the last Axis member standing. While it's possible the US would eventually give up, McArthur namely but other generals and admirals like Nimitz, Arnold, and Halsey would rightly identify Russia's supplies to Japan as being what is keeping Japan alive during the war effort, and that would mean that severing that connection would become the main US war goal, with resources being diverted to destroying that lifeline.

You could bet your life savings that the US would use every asset it can muster to try and sever this connection ranging from repeatedly leveling cities to using the US submarine arm to sink ships traveling between Japan and Russia as well as Japan and Korea. Eventually, these supply lines will become under severe strain as the US turns its full might from Europe to Asia (and with it, the majority of US naval units). Unless Japan can credibly threaten somewhere important in the mainland US like San Francisco, or Los Angeles, there is no reason the US cannot turn the conflict into death by a thousand cuts. And if that means bombing parts of Eastern Russia, it's likely at least one US general would be willing to take the risk.

See, Japan and Russia cannot pose a threat to the US. At best, such an invasion would be something akin to the invasion of Attu and Kishka. The Russian Far East cannot support a sufficiently large landing force for any successful invasion of the US, and Japan again faces the problem of distance. Unless the mainland USA is threatened by invasion or attack, the US doesn't need to be restained or negotiate for peace since nothing of value can be targeted and destroyed by the countries it may find itself at war with. Alaska and to a lesser extent, Hawaii, are semi-expendable to the US. Hawaii at least has Pearl Harbor and is uncomfortably close to the west coast (making it a much higher priority to keep), but Alaska is pretty remote, underdeveloped, and mostly uninhabited. Any invasion of Alaska would see the majority of the landing force die from everything except clashes with the enemy. If the winter cold or animals don't kill the invaders, then the terrain and lack of supplies due to very difficult supply chains very well might.

And this is without considering that any Russian counterstrike would have to take place in Europe, which would mean the stripping of the Russian Far East of possible troops. Or if Russia decides to keep large amounts of troops in the Far East to counter anything the US might do, it means exposing the very valuable and fairly easy to invade lands of Western Russian. As much as Russia/the Soviet Union may seem in memes and popular history to be a source of never-ending manpower, the Soviet Union IRL was facing manpower shortages by late 1943. Meanwhile, the US was facing manpower issues mainly due to problems of its own making (IRL, that is). Even a stronger Russia cannot overcome the need to have a large amount of manpower stationed on both sides of the country to deter any possible invasion while also supplying those troops with everything they need and not plunging the nation into famine (which would see a revolution that could not be staved off with even a peace treaty or victory).

[Union Princes]

I'll use my influence to hold 10 to 15% of the world's economy hostage. I'll force the European nations to side with China, as well as lobby the US to join me.

[American Pere Housh]

Unfortunately, Russia's complacency with Japan would fully justify Operation Downfall. Aiding the Axis would either ostracize Russia completely from the Allies once the war in Europe is done, or lead to Russia becoming the first target of nuclear weapons. The USA would absolutely know that Russia is aiding Japan and would do its darn best to undermine these efforts, including turning Vladivostok into the next Dresden.

Russia's intervention would just be considered a play in favor of the Japanese, bringing a party willing to eke out a better niche for Japan in the treaty talks. Unlike IRL, the conquest of Manchuria during WW2 would be viewed as a mere joke, a sham invasion, in the west. Nothing but a futile attempt by Russia to stop Japan from eventually getting annihilated through intense bombing raids and a prolonged war that would eventually spill over into Russia since it would become an inevitability that bombing Eastern Russia would bring about Japan's surrender more quickly.

IRL the Allies had little reason not to trust the Soviets yet, they were still nominally allies until 1949. But in this case, McArthur and other hawkish generals would get their way, even it if meant total war and turning WW2 into an even bloodier conflict that it already was IRL.

I am fairly sure in this timeline Russia was much stronger, but also that Japan had been able to inflict much higher casualties on the Allies. With America only getting involved in 1943, Japan likely was able to push the British out of the Pacific theater, and maintained much of its naval fleet during the conflict, meaning that Allied invasion would be much more costly if they wanted to attack. It is likely if they did invade, it would play into Japanese desires of a final naval battle, which could have been favorable to Japan anyways. Without the atomic bomb IRL, it was projected the war could have gone on until 1947, but that was based on a Japan that did not have the same access to resources as in this timeline. If the Americans decided to engage the Russians while fighting Japan, without nuclear weapons, the conflict could have raged for quite some time longer.

IRL the Allies already had a divide with the Soviets at the conferences, and cut its lend lease program before the end of the war. It is said one of the reasons the atomic bomb was dropped was to deter the Soviets. But in any case, after hard fighting in Europe and the Pacific, the Allies would be in no position to fight a conflict with Russia. Even IRL they decided that it would be very costly, and the only way to stop a Soviet advance was the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Also OP is all of HK still part of Britain or just HK island, Stonecutter's island, and Kowloon since only those were ceded in perpetuity. The new territories were only leased for 99 years and if Britain decides to break that contract, doesn't China technically have the right to forcibly evict the British since the British no longer have any legal basis to keep the new territories.

The green is what they would have had to give back. But it is possible the British could have argued that their treaty was with the Qing Empire and not the CSR, and with Japanese backing + promise of military support, held onto it.

My agreement was with the Qing, not the CSR. If I give it to anyone, it will be the Reorganized Republic of China.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

A Falkland War except that would Japan open its bases to the British and threaten direct intervention.

You intervene and I'll cross the Yalu river

Looks like we're gonna have a Falkland War over Hong Kong

It's a long way to Nanjing, it's a long way to go!
It's a long way to Nanjing, to the sweetest girl I know!

You could try to get the New territories earlier if you want, but if you want Korea, Korea will support you in War. We shall cross the east China sea to aid you. We shall cross the Yalu to help reclaim Chinese land if needed.

Crossing the Yalu won't be easy since Japan could just look across the other side and then know to prepare to defend. Around 35,000 troops stationed in Manchukuo currently and ready to defend the small strip. Attacking would be a big escalation meriting Japanese naval force to cut Korean access to the sea off.

[Strala]

I am fairly sure in this timeline Russia was much stronger, but also that Japan had been able to inflict much higher casualties on the Allies. With America only getting involved in 1943, Japan likely was able to push the British out of the Pacific theater, and maintained much of its naval fleet during the conflict, meaning that Allied invasion would be much more costly if they wanted to attack. It is likely if they did invade, it would play into Japanese desires of a final naval battle, which could have been favorable to Japan anyways. Without the atomic bomb IRL, it was projected the war could have gone on until 1947, but that was based on a Japan that did not have the same access to resources as in this timeline. If the Americans decided to engage the Russians while fighting Japan, without nuclear weapons, the conflict could have raged for quite some time longer.

IRL the Allies already had a divide with the Soviets at the conferences, and cut its lend lease program before the end of the war. It is said one of the reasons the atomic bomb was dropped was to deter the Soviets. But in any case, after hard fighting in Europe and the Pacific, the Allies would be in no position to fight a conflict with Russia. Even IRL they decided that it would be very costly, and the only way to stop a Soviet advance was the use of tactical nuclear weapons.





The green is what they would have had to give back. But it is possible the British could have argued that their treaty was with the Qing Empire and not the CSR, and with Japanese backing + promise of military support, held onto it.

My agreement was with the Qing, not the CSR. If I give it to anyone, it will be the Reorganized Republic of China.

And legally the CSR are the successors of the Qing dynasty, unless you want to send the image that Britain doesn't care for International laws. Also do remember while Britain is stronger, you're still dealing with China, a nation with a far stronger and larger military and economy. They can pressure you economically or they could decide to just take it and you wouldn't be able to do much. There's a reason why Britain gave it back in 1997 IRL. Despite UK wishes, HK is not defensible at least when it comes to China wanting it back. As for Japan, the y might help, but they'd have to work with a 250,000 military with large portions of it trying to hold back the KPA or any Chinese attacks. Other than the navy ghey'd largely be useless in this engagement.

[Strala]

You intervene and I'll cross the Yalu river

You could try to get the New territories earlier if you want, but if you want Korea, Korea will support you in War. We shall cross the east China sea to aid you. We shall cross the Yalu to help reclaim Chinese land if needed.

Crossing the Yalu won't be easy since Japan could just look across the other side and then know to prepare to defend. Around 35,000 troops stationed in Manchukuo currently and ready to defend the small strip. Attacking would be a big escalation meriting Japanese naval force to cut Korean access to the sea off.

While cutting off my access to the sea would be damaging, it wouldn't be fatal, as your forces guarding Manchuria, that won't be as harder to cross as you'd think. I would likely have air superiority since you'd also have to fend against Chinese air attacks and I likely have more artillery and heavy equipment than you and your manchurian puppet.

[American Pere Housh]

I'll use my influence to hold 10 to 15% of the world's economy hostage. I'll force the European nations to side with China, as well as lobby the US to join me.

The US is the UK's biggest ally.

[Strala]

I'll use my influence to hold 10 to 15% of the world's economy hostage. I'll force the European nations to side with China, as well as lobby the US to join me.

The US is the UK's biggest ally.

The U.S while strong is also a country trying to mend the wounds of a divided nation. Anyways GN all. I don't want to lose sleep again since I have school tomorrow

[American Pere Housh]

Crossing the Yalu won't be easy since Japan could just look across the other side and then know to prepare to defend. Around 35,000 troops stationed in Manchukuo currently and ready to defend the small strip. Attacking would be a big escalation meriting Japanese naval force to cut Korean access to the sea off.

While cutting off my access to the sea would be damaging, it wouldn't be fatal, as your forces guarding Manchuria, that won't be as harder to cross as you'd think. I would likely have air superiority since you'd also have to fend against Chinese air attacks and I likely have more artillery and heavy equipment than you and your manchurian puppet.

You attack Hong Kong and you draw NATO into this conflict.