A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[Union Princes]

They haven't yet agreed to do so. Also ground travel takes longer and is more costly, not to mention they don't have the shipping capacity to meet China's demands.

This is exactly the kind of stuff that makes me so sick and tired of writing the War arc. I'm getting really tired of you writing responses as if I'm ignorant of diplomacy. Did you read my messages to them? How can they not agree to it? I'm giving them money and tools to help them modernize. The fact that you keep devaluing my military is insulting.

[Segmentia]

I mean, that may be but they didn't actually agree yet, so you can't automatically assume that they did. You'll just have to ask OP to see if they can ask the GA to return a response swiftly.

[Union Princes]

I mean, that may be but they didn't actually agree yet, so you can't automatically assume that they did. You'll just have to ask OP to see if they can ask the GA to return a response swiftly.

I should but the GA would screw me over like Manchuria

[Revlona]

I mean, that may be but they didn't actually agree yet, so you can't automatically assume that they did. You'll just have to ask OP to see if they can ask the GA to return a response swiftly.

I should but the GA would screw me over like Manchuria

Then you won't ever get an answer it seems....

[Segmentia]

I mean, that may be but they didn't actually agree yet, so you can't automatically assume that they did. You'll just have to ask OP to see if they can ask the GA to return a response swiftly.

I should but the GA would screw me over like Manchuria

How did they screw you over with Manchuria?

[Antimersia]

what is or is not important to me, is none of your concern.

They’re from states that for all intents and purposes ceased to exist as functional states. Aka they weren’t part of the US anymore. You control the US government, not it’s people. While for narrative ease players can RP citizens they don’t “own them”. You’re not directly controlling every American globally. This is stated in the OP.

Also given the realism and all prior events written this means that Americans who can easily flee probably are. In all likelihood there will probably be at least a few million American refugees from this, or more. Be a bit absurd if your country is literally splitting up between various contentious groups, three of which are proving to be quite radical, and everyone was like “yeah nah we staying.”

its not that it happened. its that i wasn't consulted. its not like i would have taken issue with it. Just not happy about being blindsided by it.

[Union Princes]

Its the whole drone thing. The entire time I thought there was only one Manchuria, not two, until after I posted and the GA responded. It was a literal cop out with the GA saving Japan from international blame by saying that Manchukuo existed despite the fact the map made no distinction between where the empire ended and where the puppets began. And the worst thing out of that, was when the GA came up with inconclusive evidence while everyone else seemed to believe Japan. Saying that nobody will believe Japan doesn't make me feel any better when the UN investigation allowed Japan to get away scot-free

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Its the whole drone thing. The entire time I thought there was only one Manchuria, not two, until after I posted and the GA responded. It was a literal cop out with the GA saving Japan from international blame by saying that Manchukuo existed despite the fact the map made no distinction between where the empire ended and where the puppets began. And the worst thing out of that, was when the GA came up with inconclusive evidence while everyone else seemed to believe Japan. Saying that nobody will believe Japan doesn't make me feel any better when the UN investigation allowed Japan to get away scot-free

The map clearly shows all of the Japanese territories and puppets. However I suppose being able to read a map is hard.

[Revlona]

Do you two ever stop?

[Strala]

Do you two ever stop?

Nope they don't

Its the whole drone thing. The entire time I thought there was only one Manchuria, not two, until after I posted and the GA responded. It was a literal cop out with the GA saving Japan from international blame by saying that Manchukuo existed despite the fact the map made no distinction between where the empire ended and where the puppets began. And the worst thing out of that, was when the GA came up with inconclusive evidence while everyone else seemed to believe Japan. Saying that nobody will believe Japan doesn't make me feel any better when the UN investigation allowed Japan to get away scot-free

The map clearly shows all of the Japanese territories and puppets. However I suppose being able to read a map is hard.

When I first saw the map I didn't see Manchuria or Manchukuo so I doubt UP did either when he saw it. Also, this is extremely rude. You're not even arguing or insulting his IC actions and directly attacking him.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Do you two ever stop?

Nope they don't

The map clearly shows all of the Japanese territories and puppets. However I suppose being able to read a map is hard.

When I first saw the map I didn't see Manchuria or Manchukuo so I doubt UP did either when he saw it. Also, this is extremely rude. You're not even arguing or insulting his IC actions and directly attacking him.

The map has always shown Manchukuo. That's why I mentioned it in my app. It is only you two who have had trouble with the location of Manchukuo and Manchuria since you both have objected to its existence.

[Strala]

Nope they don't
When I first saw the map I didn't see Manchuria or Manchukuo so I doubt UP did either when he saw it. Also, this is extremely rude. You're not even arguing or insulting his IC actions and directly attacking him.

The map has always shown Manchukuo. That's why I mentioned it in my app. It is only you two who have had trouble with the location of Manchukuo and Manchuria since you both have objected to its existence.

Yes, I did have trouble with the location but I did not object to its existence. I did not see it on the map and if it is contrary to what you saw then okay, but you still don't have the right to insult UP.

[Imperialisium]

This is why checking the map every so often helps…

I post when it’s updated. But should still like glance at it every IRL week or two just in case…

What I don’t like is this accusation that the only reason absolutely everything isn’t going a players way, every single time, is due to the GA and OP purposely rigging things. You know what I get from the GA before they drop a post? Some bullet point notes. The longest of which are a single sentence. Most are either one word or few words. I don’t even get consulted in their process. Nor are they required to answer every player instantly. Some things are scheduled to take longer for fallout of said actions to occur.

The second issue is just unsportsman-like-conduct. Everyone likes different aspects of a role play like this. Some prefer to go into detail about the politics (in a geo-political RP…imagine that) like Arvenia or Deblar, some the economics like Sao who is just kicking ass with Greece, others may like to do the nitty gritty military details down to the exact propellant mixture of a given rocket. Now, for the extreme majority of players they’ve been great. But from Japan and China it’s a problem EVERY. DAY. Every damn day.

This isn’t a competition. Sure, people want to win wars, and sure people want to get ahead, that is literally in the OP. But what’s also in the OP is “TO HAVE FUN.” If a player clearly isn’t a master on the exact aerodynamics of every single plane a country has that isn’t an excuse to then beat them over the head. If a player makes a good move then just respect it as a good move. If a player isn’t having a good time then reach out and see how it could make it fun in a compromising way. Japan and China are at war. It’s a big war. UK and Vietnam are involved. There are FOUR BRAINS here that can figure out a way to have the war be fun for everyone. There shouldn’t be this mentality of “hue hue hue you didn’t specify the exact global position of Sergeant Ping Pong, now my entire tank division will use low hedges as cover to appear in Shanghai with no one noticing because I guess your nations intelligence is staffed solely by the corpse of Hellen Keller.” This level of asshattery shouldn’t be happening among what I hope are mature people. Be like the UK player. The UK player has made like one slightly agitated comment this entire time. He’s taken wins and losses with poise and grace this entire time.

Need I continue? People need to learn to take the L’s when they come and appreciate the Dubya’s when they happen.

[Concejos Unidos]

Literally about to post when the British posted and I had to add to my post.

[American Pere Housh]

Literally about to post when the British posted and I had to add to my post.

I'm not gonna give up on the the Turks and Caicos, the Caymen Islands, Bermuda or the British Virgin Islands. I have to give up my territory in the Caribbean and the Atlantic then everyone else will would also have to grant their territories in the region independence including the United States.

[Concejos Unidos]

Literally about to post when the British posted and I had to add to my post.

I'm not gonna give up on the the Turks and Caicos, the Caymen Islands, Bermuda or the British Virgin Islands. I have to give up my territory in the Caribbean and the Atlantic then everyone else will would also have to grant their territories in the region independence including the United States.

I wouldn't mind full decolonization in the Americas. In any case, what I do care about is my claim on Guyana.

[Union Princes]

Hey UK, can you edit your post for more realistic losses? I want to give Japan a 0% hit rate but that wouldn't be fair for both parties. Alright? Your carrier is dead and your screens can't negate my missile strike.

Do I have to get the OP to micromanage your military results too?

[Imperialisium]

Let’s not give each other attitude. I just had my coffee.

While AEGIS would have been unable to intercept a launch that close for that particular variant of the DF-21. Unless the ABM fired instantaneously in perfect sync with the DF launch (physically impossible) or a ship was directly under its flight path (in the blind spot) but wouldn’t be enough time to fire. I can go into the specific limitations of AEGIS (publicly known limitations, before anyone tried to armchair general me with conjecture).

As for “dead”. Mmmm the carrier wouldn’t have been obliterated. The kinetic force would have snapped the ships spine and probably killed much of the crew. With the rest varying degrees of injured. It’s “dead” as in unable to be combat effective and likely suffered crippling damage. The Brits could in theory tow the carrier away to try and save it.

[Union Princes]

At this point, I think it's best for the OP to manage the results of all the belligerent nations in the war. I don't trust Tenno, I don't trust Pere, and I definitely don't know enough of Hannover to trust him to give me a fair share.

[Imperialisium]

I’ll await for Pere and Hanovereich to respond before I do anything like that with their forces.

[Hanovereich]

On it. I have a lot to write, not least my plans to seize the South China Sea, and my trade with India. And I'm going to start to evacuate HK.

[American Pere Housh]

Hey UK, can you edit your post for more realistic losses? I want to give Japan a 0% hit rate but that wouldn't be fair for both parties. Alright? Your carrier is dead and your screens can't negate my missile strike.

Do I have to get the OP to micromanage your military results too?

Let’s not give each other attitude. I just had my coffee.

While AEGIS would have been unable to intercept a launch that close for that particular variant of the DF-21. Unless the ABM fired instantaneously in perfect sync with the DF launch (physically impossible) or a ship was directly under its flight path (in the blind spot) but wouldn’t be enough time to fire. I can go into the specific limitations of AEGIS (publicly known limitations, before anyone tried to armchair general me with conjecture).

As for “dead”. Mmmm the carrier wouldn’t have been obliterated. The kinetic force would have snapped the ships spine and probably killed much of the crew. With the rest varying degrees of injured. It’s “dead” as in unable to be combat effective and likely suffered crippling damage. The Brits could in theory tow the carrier away to try and save it.

You also forgot that the DF-21 is nowhere near as accurate without satellite guidance so I can say it missed the carrier plus I seriously doubt it can reach hypersonic speeds in such a short distance so it is plausible to have shot it down.

At this point, I think it's best for the OP to manage the results of all the belligerent nations in the war. I don't trust Tenno, I don't trust Pere, and I definitely don't know enough of Hannover to trust him to give me a fair share.

We don't trust you either.

[Arvenia]

Aside from Vietnam, most countries have yet to respond to the recent events in Nusantara where Chinese and Japanese businesses got vandalized in a suspicious manner, while bombs were left outside embassies, a political party got attacked by grenades and Naomi's parents got beaten up by unknown assailants. Check out my latest IC post for more information.

[Hanovereich]

Most of us are busy trying to defend our existence. And if the attacks continues, I'm going to need to get my embassy out before it blows up.

[Segmentia]

At this point, I think it's best for the OP to manage the results of all the belligerent nations in the war. I don't trust Tenno, I don't trust Pere, and I definitely don't know enough of Hannover to trust him to give me a fair share.

Considering the OP just dictated a loss and the UK player is ignoring it, I'd say good luck with that.