A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[American Pere Housh]

UP, why are you so desperate to take HK from me? If you want it from me negotiate with me. Antimersia, you can't dismiss out of hand that MoD Communication Network was hacked by unknown actors. If I really wanted war, do you think my fleet would fleeing like it is or would it be attacking your fleet with Anti ship missiles?

You seem to think my personal choices matter in this exchange. I have created characters that are running this country. every decision i make and write, is what I believe they would do. Dolonescu does not care if the hacking is true or not. although frankly I do personally doubt the story. She is only interested in being the all powerful tyrant she thought being president of the USA would allow her to be.

I wonder if I should assassinate the President or not?

[Union Princes]

Treaty of Nanjing? Did you forget that the UN voted to overturn it? The Treaty is not longer recognized in the UN. It's only a matter of time before the final vote arrives

[Segmentia]

You seem to think my personal choices matter in this exchange. I have created characters that are running this country. every decision i make and write, is what I believe they would do. Dolonescu does not care if the hacking is true or not. although frankly I do personally doubt the story. She is only interested in being the all powerful tyrant she thought being president of the USA would allow her to be.

I wonder if I should assassinate the President or not?

Not going to be able to pull that off before the USN sinks your fleet, tbh.

[American Pere Housh]

Treaty of Nanjing? Did you forget that the UN voted to overturn it? The Treaty is not longer recognized in the UN. It's only a matter of time before the final vote arrives

HK isn't just a colony to the UK. The Treaty is between the CSR and the UK so the UN has no jurisdiction over whether or not it is recognized.

[American Pere Housh]

I wonder if I should assassinate the President or not?

Not going to be able to pull that off before the USN sinks your fleet, tbh.

Not before I sink or disable those carriers of his.

[Segmentia]

Not going to be able to pull that off before the USN sinks your fleet, tbh.

Not before I sink or disable those carriers of his.

I don't think it likely you'll get more than one.

[Union Princes]

The Chinese Soviet Republic didn't exist as a legal entity during the First Opium War. The Qing Empire did. So the Treaty is non legally binding to the CSR, hence why I called for a UN voting assembly

[Monsone]

Why are you taking China's side in your post?

Because in the eyes of Merkel, China has used all peaceful measures at its disposal short of peacefully marching protestors into Hong Kong like Morocco did IRL with the Green March. China invoked the proper UN legislation for the return of Hong Kong, and Chinese diplomats even went so far as to offer the UK compensation for handing over Hong Kong. Compensation. British rhetoric doesn't nullify the cold hard facts of the matter. China offered the UK money for land that was supposed to be returned in 1997. And, China has tried peacefully to nullify the Treaty of Nanking. As much as Merkel may seem biased towards China (and to a slight extent she would be because of the trade links between China and Germany), she has taken a look at all the facts available to her and noted that China has used all of its peaceful recourses.

That isn't to say Merkel doesn't have plenty of scathing remarks about China from authoritarianism to human rights abuses to pollution. However, the bigger picture that the letter paints specifically is that war between Japan and China is detrimental to the region and to the world. It affects global commerce, it leads to the unnecessary loss of life, and it's a barbaric way of solving disputes that can and should be solved over a negotiating table. That's the key point Merkel's letter is emphasizing, and China is praised because China has tried to solve its disputes via the negotiating table albeit to no avail.

[Union Princes]

The Treaty of Nanjing is an internationally recognized treaty so the British government considers the UN GA vote as illegitimate.

Sort of ironic to say its 'internationally recognized' when the international community doesn't actually recognize it anymore.

I'm reposting this for reminders

[Imperialisium]

The Chinese Soviet Republic didn't exist as a legal entity during the First Opium War. The Qing Empire did. So the Treaty is non legally binding to the CSR, hence why I called for a UN voting assembly

This also means you don’t have claim over Manchuria, Tibet, East Turkmenistan, and Mongolia. Since those have been free since the Qing collapse.

Sort of cuts both ways.

[Antimersia]

You seem to think my personal choices matter in this exchange. I have created characters that are running this country. every decision i make and write, is what I believe they would do. Dolonescu does not care if the hacking is true or not. although frankly I do personally doubt the story. She is only interested in being the all powerful tyrant she thought being president of the USA would allow her to be.

I wonder if I should assassinate the President or not?

you wonder if you should attempt*

and i welcome every attempt in the world. just a little heads up though, you wouldn't want Patel to step into the seat. lmfao.

[Deblar]

Working on my next post, gonna send my Secretary of State to China for detente talks

Don’t even think about shooting her plane down. Looking at you Japan.

[Imperialisium]

Treaty of Nanjing? Did you forget that the UN voted to overturn it? The Treaty is not longer recognized in the UN. It's only a matter of time before the final vote arrives

They didn't overturn it. They simply don't recognize it. A nuanced difference.

[Antimersia]

Working on my next post, gonna send my Secretary of State to China for detente talks

Don’t even think about shooting her plane down. Looking at you Japan.

must... resist.... urge... to shoot plane down with nukes.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Working on my next post, gonna send my Secretary of State to China for detente talks

Don’t even think about shooting her plane down. Looking at you Japan.

Accidents are common in warzones. Who knows, the flight might be a good cover lol.

Japan won't shoot down any plane unless it is Soviet or hostile. Any plane that is neither should be fine, unless an accident occurs.

Why are you taking China's side in your post?

Because in the eyes of Merkel, China has used all peaceful measures at its disposal short of peacefully marching protestors into Hong Kong like Morocco did IRL with the Green March. China invoked the proper UN legislation for the return of Hong Kong, and Chinese diplomats even went so far as to offer the UK compensation for handing over Hong Kong. Compensation. British rhetoric doesn't nullify the cold hard facts of the matter. China offered the UK money for land that was supposed to be returned in 1997. And, China has tried peacefully to nullify the Treaty of Nanking. As much as Merkel may seem biased towards China (and to a slight extent she would be because of the trade links between China and Germany), she has taken a look at all the facts available to her and noted that China has used all of its peaceful recourses.

That isn't to say Merkel doesn't have plenty of scathing remarks about China from authoritarianism to human rights abuses to pollution. However, the bigger picture that the letter paints specifically is that war between Japan and China is detrimental to the region and to the world. It affects global commerce, it leads to the unnecessary loss of life, and it's a barbaric way of solving disputes that can and should be solved over a negotiating table. That's the key point Merkel's letter is emphasizing, and China is praised because China has tried to solve its disputes via the negotiating table albeit to no avail.

Writing what Japan sees as a biased letter is not something that will encourage it to go to the negotiating table. It also sounds a lot like a threat, which further makes more repulsive to Japan. You also call the Prime Minister stupid and and pathetic. Why would Japan trust a biased and threatening nation to hold peace talks?

If your strategy was to make Japan not want to engage in peace talks moderated by Germany, then you have been successful. Likely Japan will either ignore the message outright, or slam it in a public statement.

[Union Princes]

Won't that just prove Merkel correct? Going public denouncing the call for peace?

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Won't that just prove Merkel correct? Going public denouncing the call for peace?

The statement by Merkel is clearly unpeaceful.

It effectively calls all of the leaders "self-righteous bastards", "childish", "pathetic", and "stupid." It also makes 4 threats. The only reason Japan doesn't recall its ambassador for what will be seen by the leadership of Japan as an outrageous affront is because Japan sees the Germans potentially useful in peace talks later.

[Union Princes]

In the grand scheme of things, Merkel isn't entirely wrong with the descriptions

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

In the grand scheme of things, Merkel isn't entirely wrong with the descriptions

Even so, if Japan agrees to hold talks, the only real reason would be to waste Soviet and German time and resources.

[Union Princes]

finally done with my post. I tried adding more detail this time.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

finally done with my post. I tried adding more detail this time.

I would like to point something out about range. You said that "100 mortars were brought in range of Haikou" but short of putting them on a ship or raft at sea, they do not have the range.

From Haikou to the mainland, it is roughly 10 miles across. The standard Chinese mortar has a range of 8 km. The longest ranged mortar in the world, with a range of 16 km would still be hitting the sea or hitting a beach.

Then this: "Their long-range ensured that they could reliably pepper the Japanese fortifications without being immediately targeted." Which is not true. The Type 88s you are using have a range of 24-39 km. They are in range of Japanese counterbattery or missile fire.

Also I will make clear that no missiles were fired out of Hainan. Even if they were, conventional Chinese artillery would not have the range to hit them. You would still need to use missiles.

[Union Princes]

I see, I'll fix the mortar segment tomorrow

[Arvenia]

I'm waiting for other countries to respond to the recent events in my RP country.

[Hanovereich]

I’m trying to do it now. Personally I would call a truce if this continues in your country. IC, popular support remains for the war, since the support for the monarchy = high patriotism. But I haven’t deployed my police yet.

[Hanovereich]

UP, please could you change your ORBAT for your mobilization, because your numbers do not match up. Just changing the numbers that you added soldiers to would be enough.