A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

What do you mean by Manchuria and Manchukou? It's only Manchuria. Manchuria only exist. There is no two Manchuria's

There is. I named my enclave the Empire of Manchukuo. There is also the Empire of Manchuria right next to it.

The Empire of Manchukuo is "independent" and a Japanese proxy.

The Empire of Manchuria is more independent and played by the Global Agenda.

[Union Princes]

What? No there isn't. There is only the Empire of Manchuria, not Manchukuo. Otherwise I'll have to edit my post

[Imperialisium]

What? No there isn't. There is only the Empire of Manchuria, not Manchukuo. Otherwise I'll have to edit my post

Manchukuo is the Japanese territory adjacent yours on the mainland.

[Union Princes]

What? No there isn't. There is only the Empire of Manchuria, not Manchukuo. Otherwise I'll have to edit my post

Manchukuo is the Japanese territory adjacent yours on the mainland.

Then I'll have to edit my post then since I got the wrong Manchuria.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Manchukuo is the Japanese territory adjacent yours on the mainland.

Then I'll have to edit my post then since I got the wrong Manchuria.

For some clarity, I will describe the locations of Japanese puppets.

Reorganized Republic of China: Tsingtao, Hainan, Tangshan.
Empire of Manchukuo: Liaoling
Nanyo Mandate: Basically all islands south of Japan that aren't originally Japanese.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

List of Combat Ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy:

CARRIERS:
Akagi Class Aircraft Carrier

Number in Service: 1
-Armament: 3 x Phalanx CIWS; 2 x 30-mm DS30M Mk2 guns
-Aircraft Carried: 72
-Crew: 1,679
-Speed: 25 knots
-Range: 10,000 nmi

Kaga Class Light Aircraft Carrier

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 2 × 20 mm anti-aircraft guns; 3 x Phalanx CIWS
-Aircraft Carried: 22
-Crew: 1,000
-Speed: 28 knots
-Range: 7,000 nmi

Izumo Class Light Carrier

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 3 × Phalanx CIWS; 2 × SeaRAM CIWS
-Aircraft Carried: 28
-Crew: 970
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT SHIPS:
Osumi Class LST

Number in Service: 3
-Armament: 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × 12.7mm machine gun M2
-Aircraft Carried: 8
-Crew: 138
-Speed: 22 knots
-Range: N/A

CRUISERS:
Takao Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 2 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems; 8 × Type 90 missiles; 2 × 5 in (127 mm)/62 caliber Mark 45 Mod 4 lightweight guns; 2 × 25 mm (0.98 in) Mk 38 guns; 4 × .50 in (12.7 mm) cal. machine guns; 2 × Phalanx CIWS; 2 × Mk 32 12.75 in (324 mm) triple torpedo tubes
-Aircraft Carried: 2
-Crew: 330
-Speed: 32.5 knots
-Range: 6,000 nmi at 20 knots

GUIDED MISSILE DESTROYERS:
Maya Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 1 × 5 inch (127mm/L62) Mk-45 Mod 4 naval gun; 2 × missile canister; 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × Type 68 triple torpedo tubes; 96-cell Mk-41 VLS
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 300
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Atago Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 1 × 5 inch (127mm/L62) Mk-45 Mod 4 naval gun; 2 × missile canister; 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × Type 68 triple torpedo tubes; 96-cell Mk-41 VLS
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 300
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Kongo Class

Number in Service: 4
-Armament: 1 × 127 mm (5 in)/54 caliber Oto Melara Compact Gun; 2 × missile canister; 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × HOS-302 triple torpedo tubes; 90-cell Mk-41 VLS
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 300
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Hatakaze Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 2 x 5 in (130 mm) 54 caliber Mark 42 deck gun; 8 x Harpoon ship-to-ship missiles; 1 x SM-1RM Mk13 Mod4 ship-to-air missile launcher; 1 x ASROC Mk112 octuple launcher; 2 x 20mm CIWS; 2 x Type 68 triple torpedo tubes
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 260
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A


DESTROYERS:
Asahi Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 1 × 127 mm (5 in)/54 gun; 8 × Type 90 SSM; 1 × Mk 41 VLS (32 cells); 2 × 20 mm Phalanx Block1B CIWS; 2 × HOS-303 triple 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo tubes
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 230
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Akizuki Class

Number in Service: 4
-Armament: 1 × 127 mm (5 in)/54 gun; 8 × Type 90 SSM; 1 × Mk 41 VLS (32 cells); 2 × 20 mm Phalanx Block1B CIWS; 2 × HOS-303 triple 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo tubes
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 200
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Takanami Class

Number in Service: 5
-Armament: 1 × Oto Melara 127 mm gun; 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × SSM-1B quad canisters; 2 × triple 324 mm torpedo tubes; VLS Mk 41 (32 cells)
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 165
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Murasame Class

Number in Service: 9
-Armament: 1 × OTO Melara 76 mm gun; 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × SSM-1B quad canisters; 2 × triple 324 mm torpedo tubes; VLS Mk 48 (16 cells); VLS Mk 41 (16 cells)
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 165
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

Asagiri Class

Number in Service: 6
-Armament: 1 × OTO Melara 76 mm gun; 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 2 × Harpoon SSM quad canisters; 1 × Sea Sparrow SAM octuple launcher; 1 × ASROC octuple launcher; 2 × triple 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo tubes
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 220
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: 6,000 nmi at 20 knots

FRIGATES:
Mogami Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 1 × 5 inch Mk-45 Mod 4 naval gun; 2 × missile canisters; 1 × SeaRAM; 2 × HOS-301 triple 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo tubes; Simplified mine laying equipment; 16-cell Mk-41 VLS; Naval version of Type 03 Chū-SAM; 2 x Remote weapon station
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 90
-Speed: 30 knots
-Range: N/A

DESTROYER ESCORT:
Abukuma Class

Number in Service: 6
-Armament: 1 × Otobreda 76 mm gun; 1 × Phalanx 20 mm CIWS; 1 x ASROC octuple launcher; 8 × Harpoon missiles; 2 × HOS-301 triple 324 mm (12.8 in) torpedo tubes
-Aircraft Carried: 0
-Crew: 120
-Speed: 27 knots
-Range: N/A

ATTACK SUBMARINES:
Soryu Class

Number in Service: 12
-Armament: 6 × HU-606 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes
-Crew: 65
-Speed: 13 knots (surfaced) 20 knots (submerged)
-Range: 6,100 miles at 6.5 knots

Oyashio Class

Number in Service: 11
-Armament: 6 × HU-605 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes
-Crew: 70
-Speed: 12 knots (surfaced) 20 knots (submerged)
-Range: N/A

BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES:
Type B Class

Number in Service: 2
-Armament: 4 × 21-inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes; 16 x Ballistic Missile tubes
-Crew: 135
-Speed: 25 knots
-Range: N/A

GUIDED MISSILE PATROL BOATS:
Hayabusa Class

Number in Service: 6
-Armament: 1 × Otobreda 76 mm gun; 4 × SSM-1B SSM; 2 × 12.7mm machine gun M2
-Aircraft Carried: 0
-Crew: 21
-Speed: 46 knots
-Range: N/A

ICE BREAKER:
Shirase Class

Number in Service: 1
-Armament: None
-Aircraft Carried: 3
-Crew: 175
-Speed: 19.5 knots
-Range: N/A

List of Combat Ships of the Republic of China Navy:

FRIGATES:
Ping Hai Class

-Armament: 1 × OTO Melara 76 mm/62 Super Rapid main gun; 2 × 30mm DS30M Mark 2 Automated Small Calibre Guns; 2 × M2 Browning .50 caliber guns; 1 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS; 8 x Type 90 Missiles; 2 x SEA Torpedo Launching System Mk 32 torpedo tubes; 1 x 8-cell Mk. 41 VLS
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 141
-Speed: 33.3 knots
-Range: 4,000 nmi at 18 knots

PATROL VESSELS:
Ning Hai Class

Number in Service: 15
-Armament: 1 × Bushmaster 30 mm cannon; 2 × Miniguns; 2 × General purpose machine guns
-Aircraft Carried: 1
-Crew: 58
-Speed: 25 knots
-Range: N/A

The Imperial Japanese Navy consists of 4 Fleets: the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Fleets which group together to form the Combined Fleet. The 1st and 2nd Fleets are seen as the main carrier fleets meant for force projection, while the 3rd Fleet is considered the coastal patrol fleet and the blockade fleet. The 4th Fleet is considered the raiding group, although its mismatch of ships means it tends to operate alongside the 1st or 2nd Fleets.

The Combined Fleet: (Not including support ships)

1st Fleet: 1 Fleet Carrier; 1 Light Carrier; 1 Cruiser; 10 Destroyers; 1 Frigate; 2 Destroyer Escorts; 5 Mine Countermeasure Ships; and 6 Attack Submarines.

2nd Fleet: 3 Light Carriers; 1 Cruiser, 10 Destroyers; 1 Frigate; 1 Destroyer Escort; 5 Mine Countermeasure Ships; and 6 Attack Submarines.

3rd Fleet: 8 Destroyers; 2 Destroyer Escorts; 6 Patrol Ships; 7 Mine Countermeasure Ships; and 5 Attack Submarines.

4th Fleet: 3 Amphibious Assault Ships; 6 Landing Ships; 8 Destroyers; 5 Mine Countermeasure Ships; 6 Attack Submarines; and 2 Ballistic Missile Submarines.

[Greater Sile]

Then I'll have to edit my post then since I got the wrong Manchuria.

For some clarity, I will describe the locations of Japanese puppets.

Reorganized Republic of China: Tsingtao, Hainan, Tangshan.
Empire of Manchukuo: Liaoling
Nanyo Mandate: Basically all islands south of Japan that aren't originally Japanese.

So the Nanyo Mandate would rule Taiwan then?

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

For some clarity, I will describe the locations of Japanese puppets.

Reorganized Republic of China: Tsingtao, Hainan, Tangshan.
Empire of Manchukuo: Liaoling
Nanyo Mandate: Basically all islands south of Japan that aren't originally Japanese.

So the Nanyo Mandate would rule Taiwan then?

To Japan, Taiwan would be considered originally Japanese since it was annexed all the way back in 1895 and now has a sizable Japanese population as well as being critical for military plans against China. But all the smaller islands in the South and East that are not Japanese or RRC owned belong to the Nanyo Mandate.

[Greater Sile]

So the Nanyo Mandate would rule Taiwan then?

To Japan, Taiwan would be considered originally Japanese since it was annexed all the way back in 1895 and now has a sizable Japanese population as well as being critical for military plans against China. But all the smaller islands in the South and East that are not Japanese or RRC owned belong to the Nanyo Mandate.

How many of those in Taiwan actual are Japanese? How many speak Japanese instead of Chinese?

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

To Japan, Taiwan would be considered originally Japanese since it was annexed all the way back in 1895 and now has a sizable Japanese population as well as being critical for military plans against China. But all the smaller islands in the South and East that are not Japanese or RRC owned belong to the Nanyo Mandate.

How many of those in Taiwan actual are Japanese? How many speak Japanese instead of Chinese?

I would say around a third would be ethnic Japanese. Everyone in Taiwan by now would speak Japanese since that is the primary language aside from English lessons taught in Japanese schools. Most people in Taiwan would be culturally Japanese and be loyal to the Japanese state.

However I don't really see how Sweden would fit into this. If it wants to support Japan, that is great. If it seeks to support Soviet China, that would be quite the task.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Hey Union Princes, I am getting a post ready, and I don't want to godmod, but presumably there are Chinese fishermen in the Japanese EEZ illegally correct?

I would think there would be since Japan has a massive EEZ in this timeline, and especially so since Japan has never really enforced it on Chinese or Korean vessels since it did not want to cause an incident.

[Union Princes]

Hey Union Princes, I am getting a post ready, and I don't want to godmod, but presumably there are Chinese fishermen in the Japanese EEZ illegally correct?

I would think there would be since Japan has a massive EEZ in this timeline, and especially so since Japan has never really enforced it on Chinese or Korean vessels since it did not want to cause an incident.

Are you talking about Hainan?

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Hey Union Princes, I am getting a post ready, and I don't want to godmod, but presumably there are Chinese fishermen in the Japanese EEZ illegally correct?

I would think there would be since Japan has a massive EEZ in this timeline, and especially so since Japan has never really enforced it on Chinese or Korean vessels since it did not want to cause an incident.

Are you talking about Hainan?

Well Japan with its South China Sea islands claims a large part of the South China Sea as its EEZ. China might not recognize it. But there is also Hainan and Taiwan which add to the size of the Japanese EEZ.

[Strala]

Well if Japan wants to impound Korean ships, then Korea shall do the same.

[Union Princes]

Feel like there should have been a treaty during the Cold War that talks about the whole EZZ thing. Something brokered by America and Russia for Japan and China to resolve the disputed sea rights

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Feel like there should have been a treaty during the Cold War that talks about the whole EZZ thing. Something brokered by America and Russia for Japan and China to resolve the disputed sea rights

That wasn't really done IRL and the claims by Japan would be fairly new. The US and Russia would not have incentives to intervene since Japan wouldn't have infringed on any of its neighbor's EEZ except for China. It also wouldn't have really enforced its EEZ in certain areas to avoid incident. In any case, Japan, as a result of the Chinese embargo will now be taking action.

So what I am asking is; is it fair to say there are Chinese fishing ships within the massive expanse that is the Japanese EEZ? I plan to mention maybe a few seizures, but have a trigger happy Captain in my post if you are able to say there is.

Well if Japan wants to impound Korean ships, then Korea shall do the same.

We are not there yet, but it depends on what your post looks like. Japan intends to seize any violating Chinese fishing ships in the Japanese EEZ right now. Which is completely legal. If any try to escape or resist... the Coast Guard might open fire.

[Union Princes]

Given the fact that there's already one diplo crisis happening with the drones. I prefer we handle one incident at a time

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Given the fact that there's already one diplo crisis happening with the drones. I prefer we handle one incident at a time

In the real world, one crisis doesn't mean that all others stop and wait. A strong government can respond to many crises at once. Some can't take it. Due to the Chinese escalation, Japan wishes to rapidly escalate, and time is precious to it. If war breaks out, it will not be one front at a time.

So back to my question, as to not godmod, are there any Chinese fishing ships at all outside Chinese territorial waters?

[Union Princes]

Then no, no fishing ships.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Then no, no fishing ships.

Okay sounds good. Looks like Japan just destroyed the Chinese fishing industry.

I suppose next on the list would be the Chinese merchant fleet. A small one of those ships can look and awful lot like a fishing ship. Are there any Chinese merchant ships outside of Chinese territorial waters at all?

[Union Princes]

I mean, plenty since overseas trade is huge for China. Neutral navigation rights and all that since China and Japan aren't at conflict yet even with high tensions

[Imperialisium]

I mean they'd presumably be traveling along international shipping lanes. If they arent then that is on the ships captain. But if they are and Japan attacks them then that isn't really a defensible case for Japan.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I mean they'd presumably be traveling along international shipping lanes. If they arent then that is on the ships captain. But if they are and Japan attacks them then that isn't really a defensible case for Japan.

We will have to see. Since UP says he doesn't have a single fishing vessel outside of Chinese territorial waters, Japan may have to find other ways to escalate.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Posted. Decided to not 'accidentally' target a Chinese merchant ship since the damage to the Chinese economy of withdrawing fishing fleets will be significant in itself. Just setting the stage for later escalations.

[Union Princes]

Well, war seems closer and more inevitable. Though I do wonder, Is Manchuria under the sphere of Japan or Russia? cause if it was invade by Russia in WWII, it would've set up its own puppet monarchy that's even more illegitimate than Manchuokuo.