A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[Strala]

Jesus and I thought Korea was going to be the mad dog of Asia. I set it up that way, but Japan and China have both taken that role from me. I seriously doubt a nuclear option is what Korea wants, and if comes to it, it will appeal to Russia to deal with this chaos even though we are allies with China. Condemning, verbally, and economically harassing other nations is fine and is practiced by Korea, but an actual nuclear war? That's just crazy and unacceptable. UP, if China doesn't go with a nuclear option or decides to try to economically hurt Japan, then we'll help you. If you get declared on, we'll be the first to help our comrades. If you attack Manchuria we'll tolerate and might help, but if you attack Japan militarily without trying to harm them economically or diplomatically first, then there will be a Korean-Sino split. I'll try to get a new post up soon.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Yeah nukes dropping in Asia isn’t just like a passive nonchalant thing. Tokyo would probably be glassed shortly after or almost immediately once every nation with nuclear detection capabilities picks up that nuclear weapons have been fired.

And if the US can’t Russia def would eradicate most of the Japanese population out in a retaliatory strike. Because radiation moves and irradiating parts of Russia is a no bueno.

Actually it isn't really nuclear detection capabilities, wouldn't it be ICBM launch detection? Detecting a nuclear bomb has gone off is largely pointless if you are the target.

But in any case, Japan hasn't threatened nuke use ICly or OOCly. That was China. Japan has capabilities that are in between. When Japan launches its nukes, it will launch all of them, and not all of them at the enemy necessarily.

[Union Princes]

I guess I'll just bully Portugal and UK to giving the port cities in the meantime and appeal for a UN international investigation into Japan and Manchuria

[Imperialisium]

Yeah nukes dropping in Asia isn’t just like a passive nonchalant thing. Tokyo would probably be glassed shortly after or almost immediately once every nation with nuclear detection capabilities picks up that nuclear weapons have been fired.

And if the US can’t Russia def would eradicate most of the Japanese population out in a retaliatory strike. Because radiation moves and irradiating parts of Russia is a no bueno.

Actually it isn't really nuclear detection capabilities, wouldn't it be ICBM launch detection? Detecting a nuclear bomb has gone off is largely pointless if you are the target.

But in any case, Japan hasn't threatened nuke use ICly or OOCly. That was China. Japan has capabilities that are in between. When Japan launches its nukes, it will launch all of them, and not all of them at the enemy necessarily.

Yes. That’s what nuclear detection is in this context.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Actually it isn't really nuclear detection capabilities, wouldn't it be ICBM launch detection? Detecting a nuclear bomb has gone off is largely pointless if you are the target.

But in any case, Japan hasn't threatened nuke use ICly or OOCly. That was China. Japan has capabilities that are in between. When Japan launches its nukes, it will launch all of them, and not all of them at the enemy necessarily.

Yes. That’s what nuclear detection is in this context.

The two are different, but that's the thing. You don't know if that missile has a nuclear, chemical, conventional, or dummy warhead. That's why IRL Russia has instituted a policy that any ballistic missile fired at Russia will be met with a nuclear response. It is questionable if they would actually apply it during war, but Japan will operate off a similar doctrine. If it is numerous ballistic missiles, targeting numerous different targets, in the heat of the moment, Japan may respond with nuclear weapons. If it is just one target, Japan may wait and see; and it could very well be nuclear.

[Revlona]

I’m hoping to have a Ukrainian response up tonight

[Revlona]

Also, was the Posse Comitatus Act act repealed in the US then?

[Union Princes]

Japan player, there isnt a Chinese Communist Party

Its the United Chinese Soviet Party

The CCP got purged by Dai Li.

[Kenobot]

Hoping to get a post up today. The OP has given some excellent advice for China. My only concern is that this alliance between the UK and Japan seems rather counter-intuitive. Japanese Hegemony in Asia would only lead to them taking Hong Kong from you, just as they tried 80 years prior. IRL Britain agreed to hand back *all* of Hong Kong in the Joint Declaration in 1984 because China could quite easily take it by force, and there was nothing the UK could do about it. The US and the Commonwealth weren't about to intervene to protect a colonial possession of Britain. Nothing has changed here, except your willingness to defend Hong Kong. The military equation is still the same and the UK and Japan wouldn't win a land war in Asia. If they couldn't at their height during the literal Warlord era of China, then they certainly can't now; particularly under the threat of nuclear weapons. This is not a good hill to die on, because you lose many friends, lose Hong Kong and gain nothing. If you compromise with China, you all benefit and the legitimacy it lends China will threaten Japanese Imperialist ambitions in the region. I'm not the UK, but defending an outpost this far from home when the sun has well and truly set on the British Empire is only going to bring you harm.

[Union Princes]

Hoping to get a post up today. The OP has given some excellent advice for China. My only concern is that this alliance between the UK and Japan seems rather counter-intuitive. Japanese Hegemony in Asia would only lead to them taking Hong Kong from you, just as they tried 80 years prior. IRL Britain agreed to hand back *all* of Hong Kong in the Joint Declaration in 1984 because China could quite easily take it by force, and there was nothing the UK could do about it. The US and the Commonwealth weren't about to intervene to protect a colonial possession of Britain. Nothing has changed here, except your willingness to defend Hong Kong. The military equation is still the same and the UK and Japan wouldn't win a land war in Asia. If they couldn't at their height during the literal Warlord era of China, then they certainly can't now; particularly under the threat of nuclear weapons. This is not a good hill to die on, because you lose many friends, lose Hong Kong and gain nothing. If you compromise with China, you all benefit and the legitimacy it lends China will threaten Japanese Imperialist ambitions in the region. I'm not the UK, but defending an outpost this far from home when the sun has well and truly set on the British Empire is only going to bring you harm.

Got another post up. Got a message directed at you.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Japan player, there isnt a Chinese Communist Party

Its the United Chinese Soviet Party

The CCP got purged by Dai Li.

I will edit the post accordingly, but I don't really want to sanction the entire party.

I ready your app which said:

"In addition, another 2 million serve in the paramilitary branch in the form of the Chinese Soviet Gendarmerie. However, the CSG is sworn to the CCP, specially the State Council, rather than the country itself."

I presumed CCP was the Chinese Communist Party, but I intended to sanction whatever the CCP is.

[Union Princes]

Whoops, forgot to edit that.

[Kenobot]

Hoping to get a post up today. The OP has given some excellent advice for China. My only concern is that this alliance between the UK and Japan seems rather counter-intuitive. Japanese Hegemony in Asia would only lead to them taking Hong Kong from you, just as they tried 80 years prior. IRL Britain agreed to hand back *all* of Hong Kong in the Joint Declaration in 1984 because China could quite easily take it by force, and there was nothing the UK could do about it. The US and the Commonwealth weren't about to intervene to protect a colonial possession of Britain. Nothing has changed here, except your willingness to defend Hong Kong. The military equation is still the same and the UK and Japan wouldn't win a land war in Asia. If they couldn't at their height during the literal Warlord era of China, then they certainly can't now; particularly under the threat of nuclear weapons. This is not a good hill to die on, because you lose many friends, lose Hong Kong and gain nothing. If you compromise with China, you all benefit and the legitimacy it lends China will threaten Japanese Imperialist ambitions in the region. I'm not the UK, but defending an outpost this far from home when the sun has well and truly set on the British Empire is only going to bring you harm.

Got another post up. Got a message directed at you.

Demanding the return of colonies within 72 hours with no option for negotiation will not endear you to many reasonable people. It takes a long time to prepare for the handover in a negotiated settlement. See: 1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration to 1997 Handover of Hong Kong (13 Years).

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Whoops, forgot to edit that.

I suppose my edit will instead target the State Council of the United Chinese Soviet Party.

Some clarifications about your post, is your "economic blockade" just an embargo, or is it literally a blockade?

Also Japan hasn't fully embargoed China yet. Japan is climbing the ladder of escalation, so it would be foolish to jump so quickly. If Japan did everything at once, there would be nothing else to escalate with.

[Union Princes]

alright, I'll edit that.

Economic embargo not a full naval blockade

[Darle Barrroda]

I'm back I was on vacation but I can go back to posting

[Union Princes]

I hope I made it more reasonable now

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I hope I made it more reasonable now

What about the embargo part?

[Union Princes]

The same level as Japan's embargo. It should be an equal retaliatory measure

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

The same level as Japan's embargo. It should be an equal retaliatory measure

You are still saying Japan issued a full embargo. Japan placed sanctions on 3 entities. A full embargo by China would be an unequal escalation.

[Union Princes]

I'll look at it again

Alright, it should be fixed now

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I'll look at it again

Alright, it should be fixed now

Not sure what is happening, but at least on my end it is showing this as the last line of the first paragraph of your Commission of Inquiry:

"It also didn't help the investigation that Japan issued a full embargo on China, something the CSR is all too happy to retaliate in return by also embargoing the Japanese Empire."

I probably will wait until Australia posts before I do, but I am wondering do I post assuming retaliation sanctions or a full embargo? Embargo is fine, actually good for the aims of Imperial High Command, but the two have different responses.


Something I would like to point out to keep things to the facts for the UN investigation, is that either OOCly the Global Agenda got it wrong, or ICly the Manchurians did, (which I assume to be intentional), but no Japanese bought parts from China. They were not shipped to Japan so there is no paper trail. Perfect deception by the Manchurians, but ICly don't expect to find anything. The parts were bought in China or Manchuria, sent to a place on the Manchurian border, and then sent to Manchukuo. The drones were assembled in Manchukuo by the Chuchun Sabotage Unit, put on a Chuchun owned freighter, and then after a few days at sea the freighter launched the drones.

I did not include this in the post, but it is presumable the freighter shortly after stopped somewhere to refuel, and then went back to Manchukuo.

[Imperialisium]

Yes. That’s what nuclear detection is in this context.

The two are different, but that's the thing. You don't know if that missile has a nuclear, chemical, conventional, or dummy warhead. That's why IRL Russia has instituted a policy that any ballistic missile fired at Russia will be met with a nuclear response. It is questionable if they would actually apply it during war, but Japan will operate off a similar doctrine. If it is numerous ballistic missiles, targeting numerous different targets, in the heat of the moment, Japan may respond with nuclear weapons. If it is just one target, Japan may wait and see; and it could very well be nuclear.

Again, in the context of what I wrote they aren’t different. I know how it works. I just chose the phrase “nuclear detection,” as a catch all phrase.

[Union Princes]

What do you mean by Manchuria and Manchukou? It's only Manchuria. Manchuria only exist. There is no two Manchuria's

[Antimersia]

Hey Union Princes. You pledge to vote yes on the US's UN resolution, and agree to the terms of the ODP Task Force, and I'll talk to UK and France