A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[Antimersia]

Posted. I decided to hold off on making a statement on the US UN resolution, but Japan will lean towards yes/abstain and maybe offer up Tokko services. Japan just wants non-interference from the US.

Aside from that, Japan is getting ready for conflict with China. It has matched the Chinese escalation and will continue to do so.

Don't you mean Manchuria and China?

Beijing is bordered by a Japanese controlled enclave. Although I would consider that part of the Reorganized Republic of China, not the Empire of Manchukuo.

Excellent to hear. Operation Domestic Peace is in the best interest of all nations.


Nusantaran's comments and disavowing of this resolution is disappointing. And a public statement about them will be coming out soon.


America will grow stronger than ever through their military might. And all Nato member will be safer and stronger for it.


Well, unless you choose to believe that right wing nut Elliot Hawk.


next couple IC months will be fun hahahaha.

[Deblar]

Probably gonna have the Cuban ambassador to the US request a meeting in my next post, as well as an announcement from President Julio regarding foreign policy

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I might as well call it quits then if the next gm has negative responses to my messages. Cause at the point, I'm at the complete loss since all my plans are in the gutter.

I don't think you will be able to appeal to all, but I have not doubt the ones to South Asia are vague enough to be acceptable. However I would doubt that you will be able to unite Asia militarily against Japan.

You probably have to wait until the GM, but I am interested to see your response to Japan - if everything works out Japan will be on its path to war.

[Antimersia]

Probably gonna have the Cuban ambassador to the US request a meeting in my next post, as well as an announcement from President Julio regarding foreign policy

good to hear. hopefully Cuba is interested in joining the OPD Task Force

[Union Princes]

Well, I'm expecting Burma, India, and Siam to be the most receptive to China. If not, then it's over for me.

[Antimersia]

Well, I'm expecting Burma, India, and Siam to be the most receptive to China. If not, then it's over for me.

Well, you haven't reached out to nato forces much. Obviously america isn't a likely ally all things considered, but allies outside of asia might be fruitful

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Well, I'm expecting Burma, India, and Siam to be the most receptive to China. If not, then it's over for me.

Not sure about Thailand. That is a monarchy which was notably supported by Japan. Probably more success from Cambodia or Laos.

[Union Princes]

I rather trade Cambodia and Laos for support from Siam.

But yeah, the whole situation is really unfair to me. I'm barely scrapping any semblance of a victory

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Probably gonna have the Cuban ambassador to the US request a meeting in my next post, as well as an announcement from President Julio regarding foreign policy

You should consider doing a co-write to the talks since it seems like by the time we finish, Japan and China may be involved in war.

[Monsone]

I might as well call it quits then if the next gm has negative responses to my messages. Cause at the point, I'm at the complete loss since all my plans are in the gutter.

Well, don't you have a nuclear arsenal?

[Union Princes]

There's a no nuking rule so it doesn't matter if China has nukes or not

[Antimersia]

WE TALKING NUKES???????

[Antimersia]

There's a no nuking rule so it doesn't matter if China has nukes or not

its not a no nuking rule its a "Be very fucking careful about them because if you launch a nuke 40 might be launched at you. and also there are far fewer than there are IRL" rule.

so china has like 400 irl, so you're china might have 20-50 warheads in this timeline. but using them, and being effective with them, will not be easy. you need control of the air over the city you wanna nuke. you can't just say "I nuke tokyo" ya know?

[Imperialisium]

I might as well call it quits then if the next gm has negative responses to my messages. Cause at the point, I'm at the complete loss since all my plans are in the gutter.

So I think the issue is the belief that this RP operates under International Incidents logic of map paint map paint map paint. It does not. In this RP the long con may be the best con. And one con against one player or nation may not work against another.

Plus, the GM is merely reacting off of player actions with some additional flavor thrown in.

In terms of my analysis as an OP to help you have a fun time.

Will all the nations Japan invited to join the Sphere do so? Probably not tbh. Be surprising if one did. Because such a move would be a huge geo-political deal. If I were in your shoes I would appeal and make a case against Japan that other nations would be receptive too. Like the drones. You got some info, but not all the info, enough to make an international case that at least buys time.

Also look around the globe. Vietnam was occupied by Japan in WW2. Clearly not the greatest history. Australia actively fought Japan in WW2. Make a good case against Japanese Imperialism and maybe the Australians will stay put or throw a bone to keep things good for themselves. Then there is Russia. Russia is most interested in keeping a status quo along its border zones of Manchuria and Turkmenistan. China knows its got boundaries that it can feel safe in knowing The Bear wont come South so long as the PLA stays out of border states. America is straight up imploding right now apparently so good luck on the US Pacific Fleet helping out anytime soon. You have a ton of asset producing options globally. A lil back scratch there can produce a back scratch later sort of thing.

Now, in terms of you vs Japan. Japan is deficit spending. There is no mathematical way Japan is not deficit spending out the buttocks right now to maintain its edges against China AND Korea combined. Deficit spending is a race China can win. Its not a quick race but its one Japan purely cannot keep up with without their whole financial house of cards tumbling down. Especially, with all the equipment purchases both domestic and foreign; the removal of debt leveraging assets that accrue interest income, even if over a 40 year period will have repercussions eventually; and of course population and economic growths which China will flat out win. The clock is on your side. Not Japans side. Why hes pushing you towards the cliff and hoping to make it look like a suicide.

[Union Princes]

There's a no nuking rule so it doesn't matter if China has nukes or not

its not a no nuking rule its a "Be very fucking careful about them because if you launch a nuke 40 might be launched at you. and also there are far fewer than there are IRL" rule.

so china has like 400 irl, so you're china might have 20-50 warheads in this timeline. but using them, and being effective with them, will not be easy. you need control of the air over the city you wanna nuke. you can't just say "I nuke tokyo" ya know?

I know, that's why the idea of using nukes is useless to me. Japan can probably nuke me without impunity nor international condemnation. They practically got away scotfree by remilitarizing and nullifying their negative ME

[Monsone]

There's a no nuking rule so it doesn't matter if China has nukes or not

Well, there is MAD. And I'm willing to bet even in this timeline ABM systems cannot effectively target MIRVs with a high success rate. You don't need to nuke Japan, you just need to have a credible nuclear threat that would make Japan think twice before acting.

[Imperialisium]

its not a no nuking rule its a "Be very fucking careful about them because if you launch a nuke 40 might be launched at you. and also there are far fewer than there are IRL" rule.

so china has like 400 irl, so you're china might have 20-50 warheads in this timeline. but using them, and being effective with them, will not be easy. you need control of the air over the city you wanna nuke. you can't just say "I nuke tokyo" ya know?

I know, that's why the idea of using nukes is useless to me. Japan can probably nuke me without impunity nor international condemnation. They practically got away scotfree by remilitarizing and nullifying their negative ME

MAD exists. Also with Nuclear treaties this limits what people have in their nuclear arsenals even more. If Japan is developing new nuclear weapons then the ENTIRE international community will be beating them with a stick to cut it out.

Also just because the GM doesn't post the outcomes of something immediately, doesn't mean they won't occur. Long term effects matter just as much as short term.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I know, that's why the idea of using nukes is useless to me. Japan can probably nuke me without impunity nor international condemnation. They practically got away scotfree by remilitarizing and nullifying their negative ME

MAD exists. Also with Nuclear treaties this limits what people have in their nuclear arsenals even more. If Japan is developing new nuclear weapons then the ENTIRE international community will be beating them with a stick to cut it out.

Also just because the GM doesn't post the outcomes of something immediately, doesn't mean they won't occur. Long term effects matter just as much as short term.

I actually put in my app Japan already developed nukes in the 70s so Japan does have nukes if that is what is in question.

[Union Princes]

Nuclear winter in Asia then. That was a fun war while it lasted. 600 million deaths

[Antimersia]

MAD exists. Also with Nuclear treaties this limits what people have in their nuclear arsenals even more. If Japan is developing new nuclear weapons then the ENTIRE international community will be beating them with a stick to cut it out.

Also just because the GM doesn't post the outcomes of something immediately, doesn't mean they won't occur. Long term effects matter just as much as short term.

I actually put in my app Japan already developed nukes in the 70s so Japan does have nukes if that is what is in question.

not about having them, treaties discuss proliferation. basically limiting how many you can make and stockpile. you violate those treaties, people get very mad.

[Antimersia]

Nuclear winter in Asia then. That was a fun war while it lasted. 600 million deaths

he sends one nuke your way and that non intervention policy of the US changes very fast. same with likely every other nuclear nation.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I actually put in my app Japan already developed nukes in the 70s so Japan does have nukes if that is what is in question.

not about having them, treaties discuss proliferation. basically limiting how many you can make and stockpile. you violate those treaties, people get very mad.

Japan probably hasn't built new nukes. It views them as mainly tactical weapons meant for use if the ground situation becomes impossible. It does maintain a few in ICBMs and Ballistic missiles, but there is a larger number of tactical nuclear missiles, bombs, maybe even artillery shells than ICBM missiles.

[Union Princes]

Nuclear winter in Asia then. That was a fun war while it lasted. 600 million deaths

he sends one nuke your way and that non intervention policy of the US changes very fast. same with likely every other nuclear nation.

Wouldn't the US be too disorganized to intervene?

[Imperialisium]

Yeah nukes dropping in Asia isn’t just like a passive nonchalant thing. Tokyo would probably be glassed shortly after or almost immediately once every nation with nuclear detection capabilities picks up that nuclear weapons have been fired.

And if the US can’t Russia def would eradicate most of the Japanese population out in a retaliatory strike. Because radiation moves and irradiating parts of Russia is a no bueno.

[Antimersia]

he sends one nuke your way and that non intervention policy of the US changes very fast. same with likely every other nuclear nation.

Wouldn't the US be too disorganized to intervene?

depends when it happens. if it happened next month america would probably be atched up for longer with a common goal to distract from the division.