A Victory in the East (Alternate History RP/OOC) Open

[Imperialisium]

Am I using my ME wrong then? I thought I was using economic pressure to strong arm them into accepting

You’re using them right. Just it’s not an auto win card. The Manchurian, Mongolians, Uighurs and Tibetans aren’t going to put themselves under the Han purely because of economics. The economic leverage from China is best used against systems you hold fiscal and economic share with. Such as foreign debt. Foreign currency reserves. Material assets. Trade agreements. Manufacturing contracts etc.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Am I using my ME wrong then? I thought I was using economic pressure to strong arm them into accepting

Economics is not always a driving factor. You are offering money for them to lose their sovereignty basically. That is way to quick and forward. So in a sense, you are not using the right tactics. You will see in my upcoming post my take on gaining influence through economics.

[Imperialisium]

I dont think shes met any of them yet.

Can I invite Tsarina to a state dinner in Athens?

Sure

[Union Princes]

Then who do I have leverage over? The talk with some of the other players gives me an impression that China doesn't really have any influence on the world market. That some nations are just independent from Chinese trade despite being the world's factory as my ME

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Then who do I have leverage over? The talk with some of the other players gives me an impression that China doesn't really have any influence on the world market. That some nations are just independent from Chinese trade despite being the world's factory as my ME

It's not that you don't have influence, it is that you are talking things to an extreme too fast, without other measures. Something that doesn't help is so far, it is just you and maybe Korea. That allows for nations to find other markets. Example IRL China banned some Australian imports. Now Australia has found other countries to import to. If you want immense pressure, you need sanctions from the global community. That doesn't always work, but is more effective.

Take Iran for example. It is under heavy economic sanctions but will not budge from its nuclear program. It will take giving concessions, time, and possibly military force to have them do as the rest of the world wants.

The Soviet Union is a great example of this. They faced immense economic pressure, but it took a long amount of time and other means for its collapse and the independence of its countries.

China putting economic pressure will not see concessions in a day. Things like that take time since you are going the slow route. Faster route is invasion.

[Imperialisium]

Then who do I have leverage over? The talk with some of the other players gives me an impression that China doesn't really have any influence on the world market. That some nations are just independent from Chinese trade despite being the world's factory as my ME

Tbh anyone saying they have zero trade with China (and not playing like...San Marino) is just wrong. Even I trade with China and I don’t need to import much being an export based economy.

China holds 1.063 trillion of US debt.
China has leverages with several African countries.

China is a big export economy of manufacturing which to consumer economies like the US is a critical supply chain. Other consumer based economies like Western Europe rely on imports which allows possibly weaker or smaller export economies in Asia or South America to exert a degree of power.

Then there’s cash reserves, precious metal supplies, and other assets which can be used to affect a persons economy. Diverting assets from one player to another. Especially in the magnitude of billions of USD could cause fiscal problems or even currency valuation problems for that player.

There’s a lot of simple and complex tactics that don’t involve bullets which China can use. Then of course China is a permanent UNSC member. So no real chance of UNSC actions ever being levied against China.

[Monsone]

Then who do I have leverage over? The talk with some of the other players gives me an impression that China doesn't really have any influence on the world market. That some nations are just independent from Chinese trade despite being the world's factory as my ME

If you want more leverage, ask powerful-ish nations on good terms with China to help convince/coerce nations into doing your bidding. I'm sure trillions in aid would convince them to help. And if you can, try to invoke UN clauses on decolonization the US might support. Basically, get more nations on your side to gain further leverage both economically and politically.

[Sao Nova Europa]

Can I invite Tsarina to a state dinner in Athens?

Sure

Sent the invitation.

[Union Princes]

I completely forgotten about the UN. That's a terrific idea. I'll research the UN decolonization clauses to use against Britain and Portugal. Originally I was just planning to use Portugese Goa as precedent for decolonization as well as enlisting the help of India and the South Asian nations to convince the empires to leave the port cities.

But yeah, with that much debt China has over the US, I could definitely make out some deals and exploitation of the UN.

[Deblar]

Sure

Sent the invitation.

*laughs in republic*

[Arvenia]

I completely forgotten about the UN. That's a terrific idea. I'll research the UN decolonization clauses to use against Britain and Portugal. Originally I was just planning to use Portugese Goa as precedent for decolonization as well as enlisting the help of India and the South Asian nations to convince the empires to leave the port cities.

But yeah, with that much debt China has over the US, I could definitely make out some deals and exploitation of the UN.

Oh, don't you dare exploit the UN.

[Antimersia]

I completely forgotten about the UN. That's a terrific idea. I'll research the UN decolonization clauses to use against Britain and Portugal. Originally I was just planning to use Portugese Goa as precedent for decolonization as well as enlisting the help of India and the South Asian nations to convince the empires to leave the port cities.

But yeah, with that much debt China has over the US, I could definitely make out some deals and exploitation of the UN.

Oh, don't you dare exploit the UN.

*looks away and whistles*

[Arvenia]

Oh, don't you dare exploit the UN.

*looks away and whistles*

Why are you looking away and whistling at the same time?

[Union Princes]

Cause China has US in its back pocket. The last thing that America needs is China to close its market and seize their investments in the Special Economic Sectors

[Antimersia]

*looks away and whistles*

Why are you looking away and whistling at the same time?

no reason. you know, im inconspicuous is all.

[Deblar]

*looks away and whistles*

Why are you looking away and whistling at the same time?

Hey, the US has its own problems to deal with, cut em some slack

[Antimersia]

Cause China has US in its back pocket. The last thing that America needs is China to close its market and seize their investments in the Special Economic Sectors

And the last thing china needs is for the US to decide that the people of china need some Democracy building in their nation.

[Antimersia]

or maybe someone says there's oil out there. wink wink

[Imperialisium]

tfw Beijing is worse than IRL Berlin in terms of it being split by three nations. China, Manchuria, and Manchukuo. Since Beijing's IRL metropolitan area basically would overlap the three territories.

[Union Princes]

tfw Beijing is worse than IRL Berlin in terms of it being split by three nations. China, Manchuria, and Manchukuo. Since Beijing's IRL metropolitan area basically would overlap the three territories.

Don't you mean Manchuria and China?

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Posted. I decided to hold off on making a statement on the US UN resolution, but Japan will lean towards yes/abstain and maybe offer up Tokko services. Japan just wants non-interference from the US.

Aside from that, Japan is getting ready for conflict with China. It has matched the Chinese escalation and will continue to do so.

tfw Beijing is worse than IRL Berlin in terms of it being split by three nations. China, Manchuria, and Manchukuo. Since Beijing's IRL metropolitan area basically would overlap the three territories.

Don't you mean Manchuria and China?

Beijing is bordered by a Japanese controlled enclave. Although I would consider that part of the Reorganized Republic of China, not the Empire of Manchukuo.

[Union Princes]

Posted. I decided to hold off on making a statement on the US UN resolution, but Japan will lean towards yes/abstain and maybe offer up Tokko services. Japan just wants non-interference from the US.

Aside from that, Japan is getting ready for conflict with China. It has matched the Chinese escalation and will continue to do so.

Yeah, its a pain in the butt now that Japan is also appealing to the South Asian nations. I'm gonna be real pissed if they prove to be more receptive compare to my messages.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Posted. I decided to hold off on making a statement on the US UN resolution, but Japan will lean towards yes/abstain and maybe offer up Tokko services. Japan just wants non-interference from the US.

Aside from that, Japan is getting ready for conflict with China. It has matched the Chinese escalation and will continue to do so.

Yeah, its a pain in the butt now that Japan is also appealing to the South Asian nations. I'm gonna be real pissed if they prove to be more receptive compare to my messages.

Japan offers better incentives such as; not losing sovereignty, real protection, and not being Communist. But there is a reason Japan did not reach out to Laos or Cambodia.


Something I forgot to mention. I think I will be posting a list of equipment later on or at least current military structure ahead of what seems to be conflict.

[Antimersia]

Posted. I decided to hold off on making a statement on the US UN resolution, but Japan will lean towards yes/abstain and maybe offer up Tokko services. Japan just wants non-interference from the US.

Aside from that, Japan is getting ready for conflict with China. It has matched the Chinese escalation and will continue to do so.

Yeah, its a pain in the butt now that Japan is also appealing to the South Asian nations. I'm gonna be real pissed if they prove to be more receptive compare to my messages.

military might can be more scary than economic. even if economic often leaves nations worse off. just try your best to really squeeze them in their purses if you have to.

[Union Princes]

I might as well call it quits then if the next gm has negative responses to my messages. Cause at the point, I'm at the complete loss since all my plans are in the gutter.